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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 29 · 7 months ago

The One with Ken Priebe

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Today we chat with special guest Ken Priebe about animation! Ken judges us, Ashley sings about drowning widos and orphans, Jason shows us the world, and Nathanael get turned into a llama! 

Find Ken here: http://kenpriebe.com/ 

What are you doing? The DOOR STUCK? Try Jiggling the handle. There is no handling here. There's not. Are you sure all right? I've had an office. Tell us what the talking Mama is and will bring your house to the ground, don't you mean? Or tell us where the talking Lama it's all, will burn your house to the ground. Well, which is it? That seems like a pretty crucial conjunction. Who Ranking? Down, down, down, rising. He was frightened with quieter, rightful fright, and so inspiration. No message. He did help me. Oh, we're one time promises. Okay, this is where the fun it gives. Hello and welcome to tell so we're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. I'm the Fanuel, professional podcaster Levinson, I'm Ashley, dearly debated defector Thomas Right now, and I'm Jason, who definitely would have remembered it record, Danny, and coming to you from Canada, this is Ken Scuzz Bopper. Pretty all right. I'm so sorry. Yes, Nathaniel, big brain, nathaniel, forgot to hit the record button. So we're we're getting you guys, are getting a rewind the take two. I should have said that, because nobody would have known. I'M gonna put it figured it out. But yes, this is the show where we talked about pop culture and argue about things and Ashley is wrong always. I mean what couldn't say that? Yes, today Greg is off playing volleyball for unknown reasons. I made a great castaway joke, but the moment is passed. But today we have a very special guest can preview from Canada, well in Canada. So can preeb once again. Why do'd you tell us a little bit about yourself? Okkay, let's see if I can remember what I said. So I'm originally from girls point, Michigan, which is just outside of Detroit. I lived there for the first half of my life and the second half of my life so far I've been living near Vancouver, Canada. I studied animation at University of Michigan and then moved out here to Vancouver to study animation further. Since then I've been an animator for about twenty five years. I've worked on several animated short films. I've written a couple of books about animation, both how to do animation and the history of animation, primarily in the realm of stop motion, and I also write and illustrate children's books. Love whiches and cartoons and everything about the animated realm, as it were, and you had just mentioned I just asked why. Before I realized weren't recording, I just asked why. Vancouver for animation. You were telling us about some great animator. Yes, well, the first thing that jumped to mine was MARV Newland, who directed Bambi Meets Godzilla, which is sort of the one of the pinnacles of independent animation, as it were. I have never heard of that. I would that that sounds sounds Dami win. Don't spoil that, I accelutly next next movie night. HMM, it doesn't take very long to watch. So okay. So are you personally thirty seconds long? Okay, Oh, so is a Liz baby, verds, Guy Zilla. Stop. Yeah, so what. So what do you are? Are you currently working for like an animation from your kind of doing freelance stuff? What do you currently up to? I I'm up to five foot seven, but I I do I've done a lot of freelance animation work for a studio that's run by a friend of mine down in Nashville named Galen fought, and so he has a studio called big fought studios and he directs short films, first classic in Weston Woods, which are based on children's books, and so those short films get marketed to schools and libraries, and so I've worked on probably close to a dozen films for him over the years. I do animation workshops for kids on occasion as well. But my day job is at a media arts college called Von Arts, which is where I studied animation a long time ago and and it's also where I met my wife. We met studying animation together, and so my role there is primarily in communications, marketing and student services and more the kind of behind the scenes stuff. But but they still have an animation program so I do get to interact with animation students on a regular basis and kind of support them behind the scenes. Kulio so and the animating children stories, I have to ask question that they know. One hundred percent of our six billion listeners are thinking right now. Did you get to animate everybody? Boops, no, we haven't. We haven't covered that one. Still Bad.

That's a great book. Yeah, to ask a about that one. The now I've animated some of the there's a series of books. The first one I did was the librarian from the Black Lagoon. That's a great book. There's a whole series of books. So I've done the gym teacher from the Black Lagoon, labrarier from the Black Lagoon. I've animated a bunch of the scarty squirrel children's books and a few others, sort of one off children's books and a few that are part of series and things like that. So when you're working with Weston Woods, you have to basically like the illustrator of the book is usually involved in the process. So the idea, the the goal is to make the animated film look exactly like the book, but in an animated form. I was about to ask if that's what you did, working with the illustrator and using the original art. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's been. It's a lot of fun. As you can see, we have brought on an expert in animation and so we I have prepared an animation quiz down which I will explain in a second, but first it's time for Nathaniel watches the classics. So ten I have been watching. I've been making effort to watch older movies that I've always been like, I really want to watch this classic movie, but he's never got around to it. So I've been making effort to go and watch movies that are, you know, the hallmarks of genres, the stuff that has shaped cinema that's referenced in everything, but going back and seeing the original and and Greg was joining me that adventure. So we watched all of the terminators and we watched all the plan of the APESES, and so what I have been doing is I pick an I pick an older movie that I've watched, an older being before two thousands. For most of them mot be four one thousand nine hundred and ninety, and I write a little narration about it and your goal is to figure out what movie did I watch? Oh, okay, I was shedding at my desk, pondering the mysteries of the universe, like whether you can get gum out of Shag cop it, when this dame strolls into my office and the US elements will out say yeah, there was a bit of a crescendo there. Yeah, will up. Then I took the radio down when is dames was into my office. She was the real look of this broad something about her aura. She was practically glowing like one of them shiny pokemon. She wasn't wearing much seemed to be out of breath. I gave us some whiskey to common thoms and she pulled me her story. Apparently she gotten in deep with some European Mug Bank or some kind. Judge of my how loaded he was. I tell you, this guy had bread, fancy car and a body got the boot. I wouldn't want to cross paths with that Fella, but he's show had a nice hat. They told me how she met a Nice British guy by the pool, real suave put fellow, and bout a big Bata boom, all sorts of trouble stots. Eurovision dump. So hot starts hanging out with this guy named after a bunch of cats or something like that. Tall doc and Hanson went after him. Apparently the guy was up no good. I went and searching them myself. Got Lost Somewhere in Kentucky. At least the Bourbon is good. European turned out to be some sort of whack job trying to blow up a bankball bank vault or something like that. Caught up with Mr Swab himself. He said it was all about bullying. I'm not sure what soup had to do with it, but I often to buy the guy a drink. Can't say I do agree with his tastes. WHO The hell shakes on my team? What movie was I watching? Well, the the the last thing, told me it was a James Bond movie, but I have not seen enough James Bond films to be able to identify which one. I'll near it down. It is a Sean Connery James Bond. Oh, that doesn't help me, because I couldn't tell you which one is which. So, yeah, I'm just all the same bet on that. So I'll give you the the the the hints. Aura, think about the root of the word Aur, European guy who has a bodyguard with the fancy hat you. The other female character is named after a bunch of cats. Oh dear. Okay, well, I think bond you're talking about fast by. The main thing takes place in Kentucky, with the guy trying to blow something up in Kentucky, and it was all about bullying. Okay, so probably gonna blow up Fort Knox. HMM. Can have you seen a lot of James Bond movies? You are correct, idiot. Sport knocks. Oh, I'm not not that many. I thought it was an animated film, so I was trying to think of Oh, I should have an animate film, but this was the one. person. There's a lot of animated films and set in Europe. So that all. Sorry. Sorry. So I know it's a James Bond Film. Oh, okay, James Bond...

...film where somebody knocked up Pussy. You're on the right track with the cat thing. So so I know that means he cats, right. Yes, well, the the track with that. But it's gold finger. Yeah, okay, yes, the let's see Galoreus. He going bunch of cats. I figured such a terrible day and they really so bank. Really is it really is. The other clue was the so the the the girl who walked in the office. Is the the girl that gets killed by getting gold painted on her? HMM, all right, yes, yeah, that's actually one of the James Bond Films I've actually seen. Yeah, it's one of those. It's really good. It's it's where. It's where, James Bond, because the first, that's the third one. I've been watching all of them. So Dr no and Fro rush with love are pretty standard. Spy stuff, there's not too much whackiness going on. And Gold Finger, it's just like here's a mute midget who throws a hat that decapitates things, and this guy wants to nuke fort knocks and and and course there's a person Nam Pussy Galore. It just gets he gets absolutely ridiculous. And they the first thing I have is to someone gets killed by having gold painted on their body. It's yeah, it's very, very silly. So you are correct. It was gold finger. Yeah, point to Ken Good Jerry King as a good room up. Now we will move into the main segments. So I have an animated question. So I had all of you send me your top three animated films, and so what I did was I went and looked up quotes from those films and pulled random, out of context quotes. So and I tried to order them from most obtuse to Oh, I know what that movie is, and so you guys are going to try to guess Ay what is the name of the movie and be whose list is this on? There's only one overlap and I also got Greg's movies. Okay, so, okay, let us begin, and I'm going to read these as blankly as possible, so out of context, no voice, and then, if nobody gets something, I'll go back and dried the voices. Why? You, you unreasonable, pompous, blustering old wind bag. You're living in the past. Father, this is the fourteen century. Oh, I think I've got it. You got it. What do you think it is? Yep, is that how to train your dragon? It is not how to Change Your Dragon. Oh, next quote. Yes, it's only in my dreams, but they say if you dream a thing more than once, it's sure to come true, and I've seen him so many times. HMM, all right. Finally, quote. Hopefully this one gets team the road to true love, maybe barred by still many more dangers which you alone will have to face. So arm thyself with this enchanted shield of virtue and this mighty sort of truth, for these weapons of righteousness will triumph over evil. Is that one of the Shrek movies? Know, this is an old movie. It's a Disney movie. Oh Oh, sleeping beauty, it is sleeping Ding and said nothing. It was hers. You're allowed to Yo. I wish you to said that it's FA. You're allowed to guess. You're allowed to guess for your own. Yeah, okay, I like quotes. Did that. Thank you, Ashley. Where were we? Yeah, we oh, the first one, the first one bus during pop is old windbag. Yeah, that was when the two kings like the two kings are having actually secret about that movie. She'll only watch it on VHS. No, she'll only watch it on BLU ray. I mean, sorry, Ay to Max ha a X. I don't own Betamax, but yes, I do prefer to watch it on VHS. I think I've hinted that that a little bit. But what would you like me to say about Sleeping Vieu? Yeah, so we can pause here and talk about sleeping beauty. Yeah, so sleeping beauty one. It's my favorite Disney movie to Aurora's also my favorite Disney princess. But the main reason I love this film is because I the first time I remember watching it, I was maybe like three or so and I was absolutely entranced by the artwork in this film. It is a gorgeously animated film. Walt Disney actually lost money on sleeping beauty because it was so expensive to make. But I mean it obviously it paid off over the years, but during its initial release it it actually lost money. For the studio and I think they're doing fine now. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think. I don't think Disney's hurting at this point. But the main reason I love it is because I'm absolutely in love with the art and Ken already mentioned the reason I prefer to watch it on VHS and it I can't if I mentioned this or not when we did our boats episode, but the reason I prefer that is because there's the scene right before maleficent takes Aurora up to the the tower to and cheap prix her finger on this on the spinning wheel, maleficent is hiding in the fireplace and because of the way, you know, the the Grainier picture on the Vhs, all you can see is maleficence eyes and that's scared the hell out of me, like I I was. But did that scare you...

...more to it what a maleficent just says? I came. No, no, it just the the eyes was all at like. I mean I was maybe in high school before I stopped looking away. Freak me out. Well, I will say there is a movie on here that I still hate because it's scared be so much as the chilt. Okay, all right, well, but that that is that is why it is a is in my top three. It might be my favorite animated film of All time and it's just honestly largely for the animation. I think it's gorgeous. And then, you know, there's they added special thing for me. Mary Costa, who voice sleeping beauties, from my hometown. So, yeah, got got a little bit of a hometown connection ISM. Well, you know what she actually went to? I've met her before. She's a super nice lady. Sings opera professionally, but she was sixteen when she did the role. Is So it's pretty cool, like to have that in your resume, like you before you're even adult. I was sleeping beauty. That's pretty cool. Yeah, so, yeah, so sleepy beauty is definitely it. Like you said, the art style, it reminds me of like someone brought a stained glass window to life. Yes, what it reminds me? Yes, I think that's a really apt description and of course, I mean I think it's I think the story is fun too. HMM, good job. All right, so for each of these ten is going to judge. Obviously he's not going to judge. Will judge him when, when we get there judge giving a give me a Caesar thumbs up thumbs down for sleeping beauty. I think it's right about in the middle there. I wouldn't say it's my favorite Disney film, but it's it's for the art no question. It's one of his most beautiful films. I remember, I think I saw in a theater when I was like three years old or four years old, like one of the reissues, when it was when a reissue Disney films in the theater. But yeah, I mean the art style. No question. It's one of the most gorgeous films. I love the scene with the Dragon. Yeah, in particular at the end. I think that actually stuck out to me quite a lot. I remembered, I vividly, I very vivid memories of actually seeing the the dragon sequence on the big screen as a small child and I think that maybe that had some subconscious effect on my love for dragons. So so I teach chemistry and one of our labs we do play tests a different ions, Bren different colors and copper ions burn maleficent, Fire Green Nice, which is the only way I can describe it. It just burns malives and fire green and it's always my favorite. See. Can Do you know anything about the animation, because it's very distinct from a lot of other Disney films, especially from that time? Do you know anything about the like kind of the nuts and bolts of how they did it or the style? While it was the first time that they the whole the whole thing of the whole technique of using cinemascope was a relatively new at the time, and so I think I'm trying to remember if it was the first one that they did. They might might get it might have been the first, one of the first films that they did in seventy millimeter on as well, and much larger format. Like the layouts and the paper that they used was like much larger because they were going for that sort of wide screen effect, and I know that basically everything about sleeping beauty was much larger in scope. It's sort of one of the it's one of those transitional films as well, because see what year? Just looking up what year was that? It's like one thousand three hundred and fifty nine. Yeah, yes, like I remembers, in the S. it's sort of one of those transitional films for Disney because it's sort of one of the last films where they actually hand inked the cells mm, because shortly after that, in the S, starting with a hundred one Dalmatians, they actually started the whole xerox process, Hmm, where you would actually like the way that they would. They would do all the animation on paper and then they would actually hand trace the outlines of the characters onto clear acetate cells and then flip the cell over and then paint the back so that the the that's where the color of the character would show through, and they lay that cell over top of a back ground and then take a picture of that whole layout with the camera that's pointing from overhead and they would just film one cell after another and then at the background was moving, they would have to move the background a few inches before they take each picture. But after that film they started this whole process of instead of hand tracing the outlines of the character, they actually figured out a way to Xerox the outline of the characters and the animation onto the cells and then they would flip that over and then do and then fill in the color on the back. Imagine that cut out a whole lot of work. Yeah, Jesus extremely deedious, but plays, but I mean the effort shows.

Yeah, yeah, it's a gorgeous film. It is truly is. Yeah, the design is fantastic. All Right, next movie. I'm sorry, I beat you and pulled your hair and punched you in the face. Nah, the managers of vampire. He wanted me to join his legion of the UNDEAD. Lelo and stitch, then go it's it's been probably final phote. I need someone to be my friend, someone who won't run away. Maybe send an angel. The nicest things you have cut two stitch, do look that movement. I had to think that movie. I love this. He just wanted to hear more of it. Man, I don't think I've seen Lans station like fifteen years. I really, really wait. It's a great film. Now I should spend a years for me too. Yeah, we have more quotes. I know that's it for quote. So ten tell us about Leelisitch. Okay, well, Lelo and stitch is my favorite Disney movie. I think it was. It's in my top three animated films in general, but it's it's my favorite Disney film because I mean basically everything about it. I feel like it works. It's it's one of the few films that blends the D and the Three d animation together like seamlessly. The songs are beautiful, the score is really great and it's just weird. You just have this sense that the story in the script is this perfect blend of humor and weirdness and but it's also very poignant and very meaningful. There's the scene with stitch going out into the woods with the Ugly Duckling Book and saying I'm lost. Is like one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen in any movie. And that's just the whole that's the whole movie right there is such an amazing moment. I love the design, I love the voices. The voice cast is fantastic and it's just it meant a lot to me personally when it came out and so it became a really big favorite for for my whole family really. So that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, the UHA means family still gets me every time. That's so good. It also it also deserves more credit because everyone, when frozen came out, everybody was all, you know, crazy over the fact that it was the first. They said it, Oh, what's the first movie to have two sisters as the main characters and I'm like no, Bro, do you even Lilo and stitch? Yeah, I mean we want like one thing, yeah, spelled often two millions of things. People forget that. I know. It's very strange. I mean, if you count the sisters and Cinderella, So said, Cinderella was the first one to have two sisters as villains. MMM, Neil and stitch is the first one to have two sisters as main characters. And I'll give frozen credit for the fact that it's the first film with two sisters who are princesses. But you know, you gotta get your semantics right if you're gonna make yeah, I think that's think that's what it is. It's the princess thing. People Think Disney, they think princess movies and they've got a lot of other good ones. Yeah, I yeah, I think one of my favorite parts of the movie is stitches journey to realize that he's this weird monster thing but that that's okay, and the fact that Lilo accepts him from day one, because Leelo's a Weirdo. Yeah, we accepted then one, but then he finally comes in turns it and I just love what he's fighting with Gan to at the like last thing. He's like trying to smash him. Says, you abomination, as this is like I'm not about as. She says. No, he says yes, but also cute and fluffy. Yes, always liked where they were passing, like what wasn't like a like a bomb or something back for the like Happy Birthday, no, mere Christmas, no, happy Honnah. That was and ye, yeah, I think he summed it up really well. Like you, all the characters, personality was and everything are just this strange mix of lovable and weird and like like adorable and strange, and it's just it. Yeah, it makes them all very interesting. Yeah, can do you have thoughts? Sorry, go ahead. As I say, what's great about it is that it was actually made by their their Florida Studio, which was a studio that basically they had to do just sort of service work on other films, and so the studio didn't really meddle with it very much. The executives didn't really get bogged down in details about how to market the film. They just said they're just making some little film done in Florida. So it was very artist driven and they sort of let the director, Chris Sanders, do what he wanted to do with it. That's part of why it works. I wanted to ask Ken because I know Lelo and stitch got a couple of sequels. I had a spin off TV series using human hearts and it was in kingdom hearts. So I don't know. Do you have thoughts on those? Real quick? I think I've only seen one of them and I don't remember it very well. HMM,...

I don't know. I think I just didn't want the original, my love for the original film, to be tarnished by watching two men spinoffs as of it. I from what I saw they were not as well rendered. No Ni made it as the original. So I think I just was like, I'm not I don't really want to see a cheap knockoff. I'd rather just watch the original over and over again. Yeah, there, all right, next movie. All right, all right, if I send out the troops, will you all calm down? Oh, you uncultured swine. What are you looking at? Ya, hockey puck? It's next one. Quench it. You haven't gotten it yet. It's toy story. It is toy story. You are a sad strange little man. And then you have my penny farewell, say that to my son all the time. So that was one of Greg's so obviously he's not here to discuss it. But what I'll just say what I love about toy story. I don't know about toysty four, but you could argue for toy story one, two or three being best toy story. That's one of the few animated movies where I've seen like I was like, okay, that's sequel was actually good and had merit on his own. And then the toy story four, to me, even if, even if it was a good move on his own, completely ruined the whole point of toy story three. But whatever he toy story four was fun to watch, sir. And you know, you got keanu reeves as Duke Kaboom and that's fantastic. Kept trying to convince Ryan he needs to cosplay Duke Kaboom and he will not hear of it. So y'all just apply some peer pressure in his general direction. Nice. I liked toy story for but I think that it's ice. It's sort of more like an epilog. Yeah, very long epilog. Or what is I think probably the perfect film trilogy because it's every every film, every toy story film, is essentially perfect and it's how it's crafted for the time it was made. Yeah, those are all like consistently good movies. I think you're right, like you could argue pretty evenly which one is the best ones. Like. Well, it's whichever one you like better, because they're all really good. So my personal favorite is toy story two, mostly because when they're in SID's place in Toy story one and all the the the misfit toys are coming out, that scared the crap out of Oh yeah, it's terrible and had as a kid and the animation has not aged well. For Toy story one, it's been a long time since I've seen it. So I remember thinking like the last time I watch this, like the it doesn't look that bad. Pretty bad, okay, well, I like going back and watching Beggie Tales and he like what God's name was happening? So so, I mean it really was. I think can you can correct mend this, but I really think monsters INC is the first D animated film that I look back and saying that I still looks really, really good. Yeah, well, it took him like it was the hair, that there's a lot of technical innovations on the the hair blowing in the snow, and and Pete doctor is just such a great storyteller. I'm trying to think what it came before that. It animation, computer animation was so new at that time and that, you know, I think that the the the toys in toy story, I think, held up much better than the humans. Definitely, definitely, yeah, they've gotten much better at animating humans. I mean it's still it is still despite the fact that it is not pretty, it's still very watchably, still great movie and still worth watching. Right. So and like, yeah, like you said, the fact that they're toys makes them much less uncanny valley than some of the other stuff. Very much. Yeah, all right, thumbs up, thumbs down for Toy Story? Oh, thumbs way up for sure. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yep, you were a girl once. Maybe you can teach me how to you know, how to behave yourself. I'm not that bad. I just need a few pointers to Polish my style. Secretive Nim indeed heard of. The heart is very rare. The stone has a power. When it's there. We can no longer live as rats. We know too much now. This is the movie that I absolutely hated as a kid. It was so terrifying to me I just I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't need watching it and I have not got back to it. Yeah, so, so I'm actually in the same boat. They're really yep. So this one was on my list and I know it was on Kins list. So, yeah, those are one, the one and only overlap. Yeah, because because it's one of one of the one of the reasons I loved it is because it scared me so much as a kid. You're a horror movie person. Well, you know what I did? Wasn't a horror movies verse until about five years ago, but I loved it because it was so beautiful and and I thought it was such a great story. But kids got like lots of cool secret of NIM facts. What's scrolled away? That was the word I was I was looking for. So can why don't you talk about why the Secer Nim is one of your favorite movies? Well, I saw...

...it in a theater when I was seven and I don't didn't run out screaming. No, I think I was fascinated by it and I don't think it's scared me much. I don't remember ever being scared by it. The the scenes with when they're injecting rats with needles. I think that's what gets most kids and I'm certainly, probably probably was disturbed by that. But I had everything. I had, like the secret of Nim Story Book and the secret of Nim graphic novel adaptation, and I had all these articles that I had collected about the making of the film. And one of the little kids is actually actually will wheaton and Shannon or both yeah, voices in that film. They will witness Martin, the yeah, older brother Mouse, and Shannon drroty is the sister mouse. Right. was was okay. So this is the memory, I think, that I'm associated with the secret of Nim. Okay, is there's a lawn mower that's running MMM, and one of them all is gets run over and I've all I remembers of the lawn mowers running on this just like clear tank of gas or something, and I looked like blood and I yeah, horrified me. Oh, yeah, yeah's true. Yep, that it. That is definitely think that is the scene that made me want to stop watching the movie. Jason, which seem made you want to stop watching the movie. Honestly, it's been so long I'd barely I barely remember. I just remember seeing it, being creeped out by and in general and just net like a never going back. The one that scared me was the owl and and and it wasn't necessarily anything that the OWL did, it was the owl's voice, like the Lee of the stone, what a boo called. Yes, yes, I do remember the owl like, but it's been many years. I rented it from we rented it from VHS, like at our library or something. Hmmm, nice it can you you showed me once a you gotten a hold of some really cool like Promo material for the secret of Nim. I remember thinking that was really bomb. Yeah, it's like a little secret of NIM press kit in this little, like beat up kind of old folder and it has all these like typewritten yellowed paper, like just written descriptions of the actors in the film and this Synopsis Of the film and it's just this really strange little press kit. I think it originally had some some stills and like some like lobby cards and stuff, which are not no longer in there. But yeah, it's and then little little piece of memorabilia that I have. Yeah, that is really so. What was was it originally eight book? It is a book called Mrs Frisbee in the rats of NAM. It is. I'm like, who thought this was okay to put into film based on a book? Takes more sense. Well, so it's actually quite different from the book. I remember trying to read the book in Middle School and being extremely disappointed that it wasn't anything like the movie Carey at all. I wasn't traumatized even a little bit. To be fair, I'm not even sure that I ever finished it. It's just because I was so disappointed it was it was so different from the film. But so this is Don bluth film and Don bluth pitched this film originally to Disney and Disney said no, it's way too scary. But then, like almost immediately after that, started working on the black cauldron, which is the first Disney animated film to get a PG rating because it was so scary. But Don bluth said, well, screw you, and so he and some of the other animators at Disney left. So they were called Don bluth under in the Disney defectors. So Don Bluth then proceeded to make lots of movies that scared me a lot. Was it as a child, and yet I kind of love all of them and I thank him for because, like, I mean, not just so I you about ten twelve years ago I worked as a teacher's assistant at an elementary school and I pretty well steeped and children's literature from my Undergrad work, and one of the things they talk about and children's literature is that it's healthy for children to experience things like grief and fear through children's books, because it is a safe way to encounter those emotions and to learn how to deal with them. Film is, you know, is very similar in that respect, and that was one of the things that I really learned how to deal with watching Don Blues Movies, is that they all scared me, but at the same time they were great story so I wanted to finish them. So that was why I really love the secret of Nim I don't love all dogs good heaven as much just because that one makes me ugly cry and I don't watch things that make me ugly cry. Is that like the dog version of watership down? I've never watched water ship down, because I think that would scare me even as an adults. That's a movie that traumatized a lot of kid yeah, O, it's about Bunnies, but but, yeah,...

...that's one of the reasons I continually come back to the secret of Nim. That's one of the ones I own on LASERDISC, Nathaniel Paya Max eight track. I don't like rata Max eight track ORS like projector. Thank you. Yes, yes, no, there's not going to be a yes on those Christmas. All right, thank you. Next, I'm just gonna be real impressed if you find any of those. Oh, you have a little faith. All right, break it down. Are you kidding me? This is hand carved Mahogany. Well, Pal I was dragged all over those hills and I did not hear any singing all. Turn him into a fleet, a harmless little fleet. Then I'll put that flee in a box, then I'll put that box inside of another box and I'll mail the box myself and when it arrives, I'll smash it with a hammer. It's brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, I tell you. Genius, I say. Or to save on postage, I'll just poison him with this. I love that movie. I think, which movie is it? I think that's the improments. It breakers first. Okay, I've only actually seen that once in it was last year. So I must do my best earth of kids. I'M gonna into a box, head another box and I'll mail the box mysell phone arrives. I was with that. That was one of the last things she did, for she passed. Man Or. She's a great lady. Yes, but who? We picked efforts new group, whose move was that it could be anyone of you. It was. It was yours are Greggs, but WHO's? I can't hear it, Dan, I'm gonna say Gregg was me. Okay, all right with me. So ever's new group is just one of the movies that the Levinson's have watched over and over and over and over again. There are a lot of movies that Abigail Naomi when they were young. I have too little sisters. Can I have a lot of siblings, but to of the the two youngest or sisters, and when they were growing up they would watch a movie over you have a young out after you experience this. They would watch the same movie over and over and over and over and over again. So a lot of movies can't go watch him again because I've seen it so many times. The amber's new groove. I am always there for that movie. It's just so much fun. It's just absolutely silly, ridiculous. Great Soundtrack, Great Physical Gags, just I mean, I have onboard fy all accounts. It doesn't make sense. It's just such a fun movie. It is through and through. I just I just love it. You know, humor in that movie is just the perfect balance of so smart and so dumb all the same time. It's exactly the kind of humor I like. It's like it's really is what the old light get smart was. It's really smart humor and really dumb humor. Less the deals and stuff. Is Really Smart Humor and really dumb humor and it just perfect when well. So I've watched it for the very first time last year when that we did girl movie night. It was Disney animated films, not princess that was the theme. So we were watching Disney films that didn't involve princesses and that was one of the winning films. But my big takeaway from that film is like I feel like I just watched an animated Milk Brooks movie, because you have so many side gags. It's that same kind of humor. And Yeah, so I I really enjoyed it. That was a it's a fun film and I knew half the lines, like I just don't know why I've never seen it before. So great movie. Yeah, great voice guest on that. Oh yeah, everybody is perfect. Yeah, absolutely, Run Goodman makes every movie better just by being in it. True. Oh Oh, yeah, she's fun, true, which is why it's so weird. He's one of those characters where whenever I see him playing a villain, like, if you will, person like, but that's John Coodman, I see. I think he does his best work when he's a villain. I really liked Ting. I really liked tin clover field mine. He's always, he'll be always be potch on my heart and salt. See, in my head he's Fred Flintstone. So I forgot about that. Oh yeah, I think I repressed that man here. I mean, that's not a particularly great film, but I still really enjoyed it as a kid. I think he was a villain in chuck to for a little bit. Lenny, what's I don't remember. I don't think maybe I'm missing remembering. Probably, yeah, I gotta figure out what I oh, no, something of Chuck. While Greg and I were watching Terminator, we noticed I noticed big Mike. Big Mike is in Terminator to Oh, is he? Yeah, he's. He's one of the asylum guards. Nice. I was like, that's big Mike and it look it up and it was. I was right. It's first time my facial recognist and software actually work all right. So Ken thumbs up comes down for members in the group. Oh, thumbs up, totally. Yeah, I need I need to watch that again. It's been a long time since I watched it's just such an Oh and one thing that it's the person who gets you out of the window. He throws off the emperors group. It's the voice of Piglet, like the original voice of picklet. Oh well, no,...

...if you can hear it, shoot, oh, the old man. Yeah, man, like, Oh gosh, it's good. Yes, I remember, like I threw off his crew. We're at the group. I remember reading that while we were watching, like that was Piglett getting very excited about it. Nobody else like thought that was as cool as I did. So that's fine. We're a little team me as the teacher who could still do it. He was the student who can do it, just not as good. Oh yeah, I'm proud of us. Let's say that. That is into the spider verse indeed heavily. Yes, that is Jason's. I heard the two other clues I had. I find that time was relative. Right, maybe I'm not late, maybe you guys are early. And then, of course, wherever I go the wind follows and the wind smells of rain. Yes, you see, just the handing from with just the basic film, know our spider man. Yes, I mean I'd take a spin off with, honestly, any of them. Yeah, it would be so fun. All right, Jason, explain this. I mean we okay, you don't have to go away into death, because you talked about this a lot in our boat episode. Okay, well, there's there's a it's a little bit of a secret, but I'm very much into comics and a comic book. We never told us. Just come to life and you can pause any scene in that movie and it just a power panel. My favorite character, my favorite fictional character also is Peter Parker, spider man, and that movie just encapsulates to exactly what that character is. Supposed to be introduces you to miles. So I also love the art style. is just fantastic. Again, it's like comic come to life. It's they do so many interesting little things with all the different characters having different animation styles and playing with miles frame rate. The further he gets through the movie, the more smooth animation gets. There's just I think every second of that movie has so much thought behind it and you can really tell when you're watching it. Yeah, my big hot take with into the spider verse is that it is the best superhero film ever made period. So it's up there. So let me let me say knut, to talk about this animation quick with some spider man going nowhere. All right. So yeah, can you want to talk about this animation, because I'm my understand was that they did like a whole new pipeline thing for this. I didn't quite understand that. I don't know. It's one of those films I can't really intelligently talk as much about like how they did it, because I really don't know. It's essentially a d from what I know is that it's essentially, you know, it was all animated. It's a D animated film. But it feels like a D animated film because they actually hand drew a lot of effects over top of the D animation to kind of give it a different kind of a feel, and then they layered in that sort of, you know, ink comic Book Ain't kind of style over top of things and made it kind of look like sort of the the kind of double image kind of things there's. So they just added a lot of stylization to it to kind of give it the look that it that it does. But yeah, on a technical level, I mean it works on every level. It's not. Not only is the story fantastic, you're right. I mean every frame is innovative, every frame has something almost like new happening all the time. Yeah, the that's I'm really glad that you all were talking about the animation style because I was like, I know, this is like probably done with computers, but it looks hand drawn and I really love that about it. Is it had that classic kind of feel like it like you were reading a classic Comic Book and I loved that. So that that's a that's really interesting. I did not know that, so thank you for sharing. Yeah, it really is like a comic book coming to life. That has only ever been matched by Angley's hulk. Hang Ley's hulk is so great. I love Angleis Wolk. I'll defend that a leashug, but he'll literally got got dumped in the black hole and forgotten about. I haven't forgot, to be fair. Edward Norton Shulk also did. They're they're starting to reference it again, though. Yeah, I know. I don't think he's glad abomination in it and I know he's showing back up in hulk. I think, yeah, he is. Yeah, yeah, she hope is. Will See. See. All right, before we go move on. Also, if you guys have not watched the alternate universe mode version of that movie that they tell it from, like a different story, using their original storyboards. No, it's if you find that it's on like if you have a digital copy, if you own the movie, it's a special feature. Basically, it's just there's a little introduction from the directors and then it's a very similar...

...story, but you actually meet Gan, keyes roommate. Is a big part of it. Instead of learning about spider man through comics, they like watch a spider man endorsed origin story movie. There's just all these great little things, and it's again this the major beats to the same but they had this alternate plot that they I guess that enough storyboards for they felt like they do it as a bonus feature, and it's pretty fun. It's cool. I had no idea. In the eternal words of Juju and Jamison, you're serious. Well, let us move on. That's freaks. Hold on deep did can give us his writing on the Oh yeah, I can reading. Oh yeah, thumbs way up, way up. All right, we're doing we're doing pretty good. You're pretty good. Cool this. This is probably the hardest one. I put four quotes in here because I was struggling to find quote that did not name characters that gave away what was happening. So so it's so. We'll do our best. My actions don't require any defense. In the same situation, I do it again, with all that talk about unchecked power. You are so arrogant that you didn't bother to come up with a plan to stop yourself. Is My favorite one. I'm being uncharacteristically gentle with you, mainly because you're bleeding all over my nice clean floor. And then, finally, hopefully, this is the one I picked that hopefully gives it away. I'm going to read this as an old man because it starts to eight years ago. Eighty thousand years ago, I was living in what is now the island of Sumatra. One night the sky lit up with streaks of fire, medias, but my primitive mine thought the stars were falling from the sky. One Medio fell to earthen my valley. My compatriots ran, but it was very cold and the glowing stone was warm. I slept, the bathe in the media strange radiations, and when I woke the next morning I was forever changed. The radiation you tatd me, evolving me. I was interestantly aware of my increased intelligence. It was only with the passage of time that I discovered the rest of my gift. So far as I know, I cannot die. That is not at all the characters I was like. By the way, man, I recognized the last quote, but I can't I can't remember what it's from. Yeah, the same. Okay, I'm stumped here. So my my brain keeps going to a comic book characters. Or is a comic a character's origin? This is a comic book movie. That is vandal savage talking. Oh okay, I'm mothly though. So the first, the first. The first quote is from Batman. My actions don't require any defense. In the same situation, I do it again. The third quote is from Alfred. I'm being characteristic. Be Gentle with you, mainly because you're bleeding all over myn I skip floor. And the second quote was from someone else in the associated with Batman. With all that talk, I probably Superman. We're probably all that talk about unchecked power. You are so arrogant you didn't bother to come up with the plan to stop yourself. Oh okay, so this is a Justice League doom? Yes, right, yes, Ye, hard to find any quotes that didn't reference Superman or Batman. Got It. Okay, okay, I feel like I've might be seeing that once and apparently, my brains of Jason as our last information, as apparently, as I'm just finding out today for the first time, you are a comics expert. How do you feel about Justice League? In my I watched it and it was good, but I I watched all of the I went through like every single DC animated movie, and so it's kind of blurred a little bit. Well, I honestly I really enjoyed that movie. It's based on. It's all the good parts of a really Great Justice League story called Tower of Babble, but it removes a lot of the excess and just kind of makes it into one fluid story. Basically Batman's paranoia and kind of unchecked keep your trying to keep all of his compatriots in check. I love the ending of that movie, but honestly I was thinking about Justice League, the animated series, the whole time and I was like, I keep you what he's referencing. Yeah, and I kind of I think that's just to be what actually a line happens in justice league. Right. That may have been one of the ones that was kind of a discarded Justice League Up, a Soda Reworked Justice League episode that they did. Maybe more, but but yeah, it's it's a great movie. I just so. So I was thinking about vandal savage episodes of the show and I think we're doing movies. He said movies and I had I struggled against that. Of You seen this one? I don't think I have, though I know that last line and I don't know why. So the plot is that Batman has contingency plans to disable everyone in the Justice League case they go rogue and vandal savage gets ahold of those. I also start thinking of Justice League. And have you seen this one? Can? I have not. No, it's pretty good. It's a pretty good one. When I haven't seen yeah, that's that. This one's definitely worth the watch. Is One of the better. Better to see them. It's those are generally police sold. So the the funniest one is the flashpoint animated one is so good and the animation style is so weird. Everyone is just like extra chunky. It's bizarre. Well, and doom was before. Like I feel like the story stays pretty consistent. Yes, movies, but the animation for a long time was just going downhill.

Yeah, everyone. Yeah, I think they're doing a little better now. They kind of restarted and they're using a different animation style. But yeah, wow, there was row. I will. That was so. That was one of Greg's. I will not ask you for your opinion since you have not watched it, but based on the fact that it's DC, how do you feel about it? Did anyone think to dredge the lake? No animal nor man can scream like I can with the fury of my recitations. There before Christmas seas, indeed the nightmaber. I'm only elected official here, I can't make decisions by myself. And then I had a really long quote from Jack Skillington, but I'll well, I need that one. Well, what the heck, I want to did my best. By God, I really tasted something swell for a moment. Why I even touch the sky, and at least I left some stories they can tell I did. So I'm going to assume that one's KINS right. It isn't. E. That is my number one, hey, favorite animated film a little time. It's a great move one. Yeah, I'm ashamed to say I've never seen in the night were Christmas. It's good. It's a really cute movie. It's been on my list for years. I guess when we're you are rapidly approaching Christmas. Yeah, this is the perfect time to watch it because we're between Halloween and Christmas and it's Ye, it's a hollow movie and a Christmas movie. Yeah, yeah, I actually watched that for the first time in its entirety last year when they put it back in the theater. So so, I don't know about y'all, but my mother like to band things in non research and Paranoias when I was growing up, and that was one of the things that got banned because she decided it was somehow anti Christmas. No, it's also it's pro Christmas. I know that, but again, this is a non researched paranoia. So that was that was one that got banned. I will say night member for Christmas, unlike secret of Nim has some really like bizarre armacop stuff. MMM, but it's always more just like yeah, that's gross and like Oh my God, get away from me. Yeah, it's it's all played for last to the line really really well of making this kind of really, like to think about it, really grizzly stuff, but it's all like Oh, yeah, it's great. I just like that all the vampires carry umbrellas when it's daytime. That made me laugh so hard. It's like that's such a like absurd detail and I love it all. I can explain yourself. Well, yeah, I don't know. This movie just gets better with age. It's I saw it twice in a theater when it first came out. I was in my first year of college and I was sort of it was one of the movies that kind of got me sort of leaning towards maybe I should actually be a stop motion animator. And actually I mean the movie that really pushed me over the what really pushed me over the edge into that was was the wrong wallace and grom at the wrong trousers. They've gone. Yeah, so seeing seeing nightmare is sort of more or less in the same breath. I mean I saw both films. came out around the same time, so I think it was sort of one of those movies that kind of woke something up in my brain and the more I watch it, the more I love it. The music is perfect. The music, even even when they're not singing, the musical what very few scenes of dialog there are between the songs to kind of help bridge seeing together, even have a musical quality to them and everything, everything rhymes and everything has a rhythm and the characters are wonderful and the more you learn about how it was made, the more fantastic it becomes. There was really any digital effects in it at all. They did all the effects basically in camera by just running the same strip of film through the camera many times. This was before they had what in stop motion. Now they have like a lot of its shot with these digital frame grabbing softwares where you can actually play back every single frame and you can digitally, if you have a rig holding up your puppet, you can just digitally take it out of the scene later on, because everything's filmed in a very different way. It was filmed essentially with these giant Mitchell cameras, completely on film and they had a frame grabber with a video assist that only let them see about maybe three or four frames. They could only go back and see about four frames at a time while they were doing it, and so when you think about how it was made, it's just it's mindboggling. That is just one of those moments where all the stars were aligned and they had such a great team, probably the best stop motion animators on the planet at that time, just getting to work on I've interviewed several people who worked on the film and they all said that they knew while they were doing it in...

...this rickety warehouse in San Francisco, that it was such a you know, the sets were like held together with clamps and duct tape and stuff and these wooden platforms, but they all knew they were working on something really special and they didn't know what it was, but they just had this gut feeling that it was going to do something cool. It's worth googling set shots from like behind the scenes of that film. Yeah, I don't think I fully grasped like the the amount of tedious, painstaking work it took to to create that film until I saw those and it just blew my mind such it's such a labor of love. Yeah, and just off camera they had all these little power tools and hand drills and, you know, like it looked like just like a like a tool shed, like just off camera. And then everything within the frame is what you see in the movie and it's so beautiful and you'd have you would have no idea. Yeah, it's a great movie to watch on Blue Ray because you can see all the textures of the puppets. Really very good. So have you seen two of the two strings? Yes, that was one that almost made my list because just watching the movie, like I thought the story was great, you know, played my heart strings, but it just looks so good. Like this deserves to be in a top spot and I never heard anyone talk about it. You. Yeah, it kind of sort of came and went. It didn't really get a lot of press or marketing. I liked the film up to a point that the ending was a little bit bizarre, but I loved it while I watched it up until I just think that it had a few story problems. But yeah, definitely a gorgeous film to watch and look at. Yeah, for sure. I think it came out about the same time that Coco did and I think coho kind of overshattered it and they there was enough like, at least within the marketing, to me. I think there were enough similarities that people kind of conflated it and the names were similar enough to yeah, yeah, Culo, Cocoa. Yeah, that was around the time we had movie pass. I saw the trailer for that movie I think a thousand times. Yeah, we forgot to watch it when it came out. I think it's really good. I don't now. This is a movie where I only watched a couple times, but I just like this movie deserves more praise than it got just from a technical standpoints, and I almost included on my list, but I saw that for something else that's just much more near and near to my heart. So I've watched Google maybe like three or four times. There is a thing I've watched not only times. So all right, this one might be easy. We'll see, my friends, we are about to embark on the most odious, the most evil, the most diabolical scheme of my illustrious career, a crime to top all crimes, a crime that will live in infamy. We're about to be horribly splattered and all you can do is live their fear, feeling sort yeah, feeling sorry for yourself. I know you can save us, but if you've given up the why don't we just set it off now and be done with it? It was the eve of our good Queen's Diamond Jubilee, the Year Her Majesty's government came to the very brink of disaster. You got any more of them? Quotes? Oh, you know, this is another one where it was really hard to find that that didn't have character names in it. Well, I know what it is. I just want to see if these two guys can get it. Yeah, this is what I would not be able to get, because I I'm not super familiar. I've watched this movie like twice. Not Coming to me. Yeah, it is a spoof of a very famous, very famous story book duo, and they're small animals instead of full size people, and it has a villain song which involves drowning children and orphans, and I'm like, how is this okay? They're thinking about how great the villain is and they're praising him because he's he's they're like, Oh, you're so great because of all the orphans and widows you drowned. This has to be one of Ashley's, but I still don't know what it is. Yo, the best of the worst. Oh Round, oh right again, Oh red again, Yo, one all the kind to read again to your bed again, the world's great at Krim, no mind. Yeah, it is the great mouse detective. So I love that movie as a kid, but it has been here a long time. Yeah, yeah, so so that they you see, you've only seen it a couple of times. I've only seen it once or twice. Actually, my first introduction to the great mouse detective was house of Mouse on Disney plast Soh for really channel? Yeah, for Real, Jeez. Yeah, okay, so I was introduced to the great mouse detective one Disney had like a slew of movies in the s that weren't the Little Mermaid. Just FYI, and they were. They're all very undersung and they're all pretty...

...good. So the great mouse detectives actually based on a series of books that aren't Sherlock Holmes. There is a series of story books called Basil of Baker Street. I mean is based on Sharlocko. Yes, with yes, it is a spoof of Sherlock Holmes, but it is based on a children's book series, not just Disney's like let's let's do let's do sherlock homes with Matt Mice looks that became. Yes, yeah, so, anyway, I was introduced to this movie at my cousins House. I was having us, having a sleepover with her. We were maybe about six years old, and she had gotten a copy of the great mouse detective on Vhs and I was like Oh, I've never seen that. And so we had some keebler softbat softbatch cookies and milk and we watch the great mouse detective and you get to the the part where you think Basil's fallen off of Big Ben and I just cr God and cried and cried. I was like no, this movie is sad. And then he then he's not dead, Yay, and I was like Oh, this movie is so great, and so I went home and would not stop talking about it, and so I got it for Christmas that year. So I ended up that that was like one of the movies that I just watched on repeat as a kid. My sister's was a little mermaid, mine was the great mouse detective. This is I think this is where I kind of got my itch for cosplay. Already liked miss mystery stories, but I really liked I just I love detectives and I wanted to be a detective for a really long time as a kid. Part of it was because of my love for the great mouse detective and another like a children's book I read growing up by Robert Quackenbush, and if anybody tells me this is actually a man and not a giant duck with a typewriter, I will like smack you. But Robert Quackenbush wrote this book called Detective Mole and I love detective mole. I checked out detective mole from the library like so many times as a kid anyway. So I already was like enamored with detective stories. Watch the great mouse detective, I was like this is the bust and like I remember watching because this was like one of Vincent Price's last films. He was the the villain Ratigan, and I this was yeah, yeah, I remember hearing that he died and I was very upset, like that was the first time I remember being like really upset over a celebrity death, but sides like Jim Henson. HMM. So anyway. But one of the reasons I loved the great mouse step. Besides like mystery stories, I thought that Basil was just so cool. Like I loved the the chemistry set that he had. I thought that was really cool. I'm really bad at science. I've never owned a chemistry set, but it just looked cool. I thought that was cool. I would dress up as a I would try to. I had like this outfit I pulled together out of things from my closet and that was my detective outfit. I had like these two identical baseball caps and I would put one on backwards and the other one on top, on like frontwards, and that was my deer stalker hat. I had like a little magnifying glass I got from like a stamp collecting kit at a book fair, and and then I had like this rain coat that happened to be the same color as these two hats. I would wear. This is my this is my this is my detective outfit, and I would wear that all the time, all the time. So I mean, you know, that's that's me like getting my my cosplay bug. But I don't know, I don't know what it was. But you know, it's funny. You're reading off all these quotes and I'm like, Oh, yes, and then they say and it's just a movie that stuck with me. When I was in Grad School, I actually took a Sherlock Holmes class and my final paper was on different film and television adaptations of Sherlock Holmes. It was called Data Downey and Disney. So I looked at the Sherlock Holmes episodes from Star Trek, next Gen, the great mouse detective and the Robert Downey Jr Sherlock films, which I really enjoyed, just because I feel like they all encapsulate different parts of the character, and so it like, if you want to introduce a kid to like those kinds of stories, it's a great place to start. It's got great music, it's beautifully animated and drinking and killing. What doesn't order? Dude, you know what I was I've been obsessed with pipe smoking since I was a little kid. Now I smoke a pipe occasionally. Sis, now we know. So. Anyway, greet mouse is tepty innocence. Yes, it's got smoking and drinking and it was funny to watch it and be and just like wow, movies from the s just did not care what they showed. No, no, they did not, and it was wonderful. Bring it back. I'm surprised that one made it through a few viewings in your house, you know, or mine. You know. My mom liked mystery stories. So it was okay because, again, if my mother liked it, it was. It didn't matter if it was otherwise, would have had objectional. Caught objection, object that. No, words are hard stuff. Yeah, anyway, so that those are a few reasons why I like the great mouse detective.

Stuck with me. But anyway, when I was writing that paper that was the first time I'd watched the movie and maybe fifteen years and somehow all of those lines still in my brain. I could still rattle off the entire movie. So, Ken, what's the word? Oh, just jump in. I would give that a thumbs up for rob for sure. It's definitely one of those unsung Disney films that you know. You don't see characters from that movie in the theme parks or anything like that. It's just one of the movies that it's kind of like Lelo and stitch. It was just one of those movies that they just made and they weren't really concerned about anything other than just getting it done and making making a good movie. There wasn't any sort of, you know, pressure on the executive side at the time and Disney was in a really weird place at that time as a company. So it's sort of one of those things that kind of started as a preamble to their golden age from late s and s that would come later on. It was one of the one of the movies where they got their groove back. Yeah, getting their groove onto the Ratigan Song. That's a good one. Well, in the the let me be good to you song, I like. I remember thinking, Oh, that's that's a catchy song, and then I listen to it as like, Whoa, that's our kind of a racy song. Let me be good and the eyebrows just go. I'll do that when at Karaoke next time. I will not be doing any the dancing, though. So you're welcome. Once Ryan can do the dancing. Oh, that would be even okay, we're going to do that. Thomas Family Karaoke. All Right, here we go. What was it you said? Any moren can run a plate, Gosh, only there are more on around who are up to the task. What is your problem? Does seeing me fail somehow make you better about your sad, miserable life? Life isn't some cartoon musical where you sing a little song and all your insipid dreams magically come true. So let it go that. I believe that as your movie, it correct, and that would be utopia. It is. And then final quote. It's called a hustle, sweetheart. I's familiar and absolutely in love with that movie. This is this is one. Every now and then I will go and I'm I don't want to wax too much about this because I talked about in about episode. Every now and then I will go to movie and sit down and just be blown away. And obviously you know, I saw the trailers for Zotopia. Disney was on a hot streak right like tangled was great, frozen was great. They're just doing good stuff. They're doing good work. So zeetobia comes out and I'm like, okay, yeah, it's like an animal cop movie, sure or whatever, it'll be really fun. Sit Down and just like that movie was just excellent. Just all of it was so good. The characters, the delivery, the plot, like the actual really good talking about social issues in a way that's that makes you think but doesn't hit you over the head with it. Just all of it was just so good. I love the movie. Jumped into my top five instantly. I love that movie so much. It's just every bit of it. It's just there's not a part of the movie I don't like. I I've only seen to utopia once and I really should watch it more because I went to a con few years ago. I was dressed as a Gwendolin Christie's character from kind of a slightly obscured TV show called a top of the Lake China girl. Her characters a rookie COP, and obviously I'm a foot shorter than Gwendolin Christie. May Not be obvious to those listening to the PODCAST, but I'm a foot shorter than I and Christie sound like you're about the foot by foot. Anyway, I had two different people at this convention asked me if I was Judy hops and I'm like, am I wearing bunny ears? No, am I wearing it? Do I have a foofy tail? No, but I'm all like well, I guess if I got those things I can recycle this costume into Judy hops costing yeah, Nice, but yeah, this is like and as I'm looking through the lines, I'm just like laughing to myself. As it's time we addressed the elephant of the room, princee happy birthday, like little little things like that, and the whole Godfather Vol seen. It's just so hysterically funny. It's just every bit of it. And then like after they're at the wedding cake and they're eating the little tiramissus. It's just every bit about it. It's just so much fun. I Love the moon so much so I had only seen it once and then you talked about it on the boat episode and I went back and watched it as a couple months ago and I really enjoyed it the second time. I think it's I think it may end up being one of those the more you watch it, the more you catch. HMM, yeah, it's definitely there's a lot of fine detail. And just the first night when she has a read my job, she goes home, gets called by parents. Wait, that best.

That means, Jason, me to make yes, she's not a real coprom this. I like the sloths at the DMV. That like that. Oh, yeah, that was a part that like. Honey, it's scenes and that's the part was like. Oh, it was ruined by the trailer and the note. That seems still hilarious every single time it's I know I really want people who worry, I really want people who work in the DMV to please dress sloths on Halloween next year. I'm going to put in my formal request. I can verdict on Zootopia. Oh, I'll give you a thumbs up on that one. That's I remember at my comments coming out of that movie when I saw it in the theater. Was that like? I basically I asked essentially three, three main things from a film when I see it. You know, one is surprise me to is give me, you know, like a story and characters that actually care about, and three, make me feel better coming out of the movie than I did when before it started. And that that movie delivered on all three points. I think that is the perfect way to sum that up. Yeah, yeah, good, good choice. Great movie. All right. HMM, I'm getting kind of fond you kid, not that I want to pick out curtains or anything. Look at this. I'm so kicked off that I'm molting. Here's the gimme trouble. No Way, you're only in trouble if you get caught. I lettin. Gotcha. I'm trouble, or shall we say, letty? Didn't? Just didn't? Yes, I call. Yeah, even my brother, mom, one of my brother's and night. We will still say this when we start losing him. I can't believe it, I'm losing to a rug. So, Jason, this was your movie, Yes, so talk to us about it. I mean, I'm on board. I think it's a fantastic movie. Well, I mean, it was just one that I fell in love with growing up. It was one of the few Disney movies that we owned a rented that was not a princess movie, so that just automatically, as a small child, put it a little higher. I mean, there's a princess in it, but it's not necessarily about her. And then the more I go back and Rewatch it, the more I just find things that make me laugh. I mean Robin Williams performance is, yeah, hysterical. The amount of leeway that they gave him redrawing and reanimating scenes to make that movie. Every bit of it paid off. The music's fantastic. I think a whole new world is one of the best songs. I mean, and again, I only do it every time we do Karaoke and obviously you elevate it, so you know then, of course I'm always Jasmine I. But yeah, I mean, I just enjoyed it's a good story, very funny. I Love Jafar as a villain. I am never against free watching Aladdin. HMM, yeah, I agree. Well, it was funny. Is the sequels are, like, surprisingly decent. All of the animations much, much worse, but the seams like not bad. I remember enjoying the sequels, though I'm pretty sure I've only seen king of thieves once and I'm pretty sure that was when I caught it on the Disney channel and I was in high school and I'm like, why is that Aladdin's Dad Scottish? It's because he's Gimli. That threw me off a little bit. Another, another line from Aladdin that that makes its way into the lovens and household very, very frequently, and Jafar as saying the Princess Willman, the princess will know. But you also, oh, like I said, a lot loves and household. Nice. So Ken, Aladdin, Oh gie a lad, not the garbage remake, will or however you? Oh, no, see, I love the live action remake. Don't get me started on that. Actually, after we're done with this, I am gonna ask you a question about that, but we'll save that. Okay, yeah, I have a question too. That's along the same mind. All right, so, but we'll hold that for the ends. So original add yeah, you know, I love the movie by itself. I loved it when it came out. I was very much so I've started to have to I have two minds about that film because as a film it's self, I absolutely love it and I think it's one of Robin Williams best performances. It's one of the ones where he's actually, you know, like he gets to actually be Robin Williams, and and yet he's not Robbin Williams, and so a lot of his roles is sort of like he's just kind of being Robin Williams and you don't really believe his character quite as much, but in that one you do. The only thing about it, the kind of grinds may teeth, is something that, you know, most people outside of the animation world don't know about. And there was a film by Richard Williams called a thief in the Cobbler which, oh my God, which was in production for thirty years and it was a film that he never really got to finish and unfortunately, around the time that that film was being destroyed and dismantled by studio whatnot, and that's a whole...

...another story, a very long and sad story. A lot of the sort of character designs and ideas that are actually in that movie are sort of pretty much ripped off from thief in the Cobbler. and thief in the Cobbler was released later on as a really terrible butchered version of a called Rabian night, which people dismissed because they thought that it was a ripoff of a Laddin, when in fact Aladdin and a lot of ways was actually rip off a thief in the cobbler, not as much in its story and obviously not in its music, because the music is much better. But so my love for the theme from the Cobbler and my sadness over what happened to that film makes me a little bit have a few issues with Aladdin as a piece of art in itself in that sense. But if you outside of that, it is still a very entertaining and endearing movie by itself. So didn't and I saw the the bits of pieces of these in the cobbler and it, the parts that were finished, look absolutely gorgeous. Didn't you draw like twice as many frames as was normal? Oh yeah, and it, yeah, looks almost like like D animation. It's insane. It's absolutely inhuman and insane some of the animation that was supposed to be in that film. And if you ever see the actual like the workprint or the sort of the unofficial director's cut of it, there was tons of beautiful stuff that was even cut out of the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that, yeah, that's like one of the most practic stories of animation. It's very tragic, is well, and it wouldn't be the last time Disney did that either. I mean you can draw comparisons between the lion king and Kimba, the White Lion, which, well, yes, yeah, thank you, and ripped off their own animations to really yeah, I saw, I saw. Yeah, that the I've seen those comparisons. Yeah, all right, three more movies. All right. Well, forgive me for not leaping for joy. Bad back, you know. Didn't your mother ever tell you not to play with your food? This is the lion king, it is Lion King, and here's the gimme. What do you want me to do? Justin Dragon Dow the Hula. It is indeed. All right. So that was greg's so it's a great movie. I had a very deep and abiding lion king obsession for a long time as a kid, partially because when I really enjoyed the movie to to nine and ten year old Ashley had a crush on Johnson Taylor Thomas. So would jtt would watch the lion king because Jatt was Simba for the first half of the movie. Hm, that was one where the the live action remake was so bizarre to me because like, but it's just anim not live action. If you had animatedly, literally, listen to hoard it, don't think a miss what you're thinking. Miss Exactly. Oh, don't get me started on that. We're not gonna get started that. Yet we're gonna stick with original Animated Lion King. It's a fun one. It's a fun like the colors, the music, and this was the real thing that that perplexed me about. Why would you do the live action remake? Is all the animals are so expressive. Animals don't make facial dressus like that. Yeah, HMM, and we'll freaking be prepared. It's just one of the, maybe the best film song of all time. It's pretty good. It's the other well, I think I cut out, but they also didn't know what the work tonight means, because that whole song is during the day and I live. That are the remake. It's one. It's either in the Arctic Circle, part of the of the of the safari in Africa, where it's always day late, but jom is penguins on the bottom. Also another, another surprisingly not horrible seque. Not Fantastic, but SIMPA's pride. Some bad S, pribs, not bad. No, I've seen that before. I've said this before, but the live action remake of the Lion King was actually called Black Panther Story. Hey, why do they have a whole sequence in the remake of them like a piece of crap traveling around the world like me. Literally. It's that that to this day just I don't understand that. Wasn't one of your dreams as an animator to animated rolling tired? You know, worked on some crappy stuff a long time ago, but have to animate the literal crap? No, yet to do that. Maybe maybe that that scene or somebody saw that scene and that's where that weird line from venom came from, but either way, pure garbage. I I think have a final word on...

...that. But yeah, Lion King, I it's it's a classic right. I mean it's just really good. Really, I don't have a whole lot to say about it's it's handle it with lions. Yeah, funny story about the Lion King. It was my sister inlaws favorite movie growing up and at one point, I think when she was a teenager or young adult, she watched it and she was like, Oh my word, we Fossa dies. I remember my tears because tough girl nine year old actually cannot cry in a movie with her mother. Traumatizing, but she'd seen it like a thousand times. Just walk out down for that to sink in. Yeah, so ignoring the live action remake Ken Verdict Online King. I'll give that a thumbs up. Any idea of the week? I loved that movie when it came out and I still love it. It definitely holds up. Yeah, it's really good. But just to touch really briefly on simpath prize and was bright. Also had some songs. There was the love song which was in Upendi's which I don't know, think made up. It either made up a word or it was it was like a Zulu word or something like that, but my sister convinced me that it was down in your panties and we're like, this song is still feed where the passion fruit grows sweet. And then, of course, when they when the exile, when the exile his names about Cuzco. What's his name? Oh shoot, I'm forgetting his name. SASU, no, no, when the exile stars sons. Oh yeah, that's right, for the exile him. And a song I play is deception Kazoo Toobu. So good that that sounds great and that's another line that gets stolen around with Lens of family a lot when we keep people out. All right, two more, anyone, anyone else? FILEFOSS IN, Lion King, two more, I wouldn't kill him because he looked as frightened as I was. I looked at him and I saw myself. We're leaving, let's pack up. Looks like you and me are taking a little vacation forever. Excuse me, Barmaide, I'm afraid you brought me the wrong offspring. I ordered an extra large boy with beat the arms, extra glots and glory on the side. This here, this is a talking fish bone. I recognize these lines, but I cannot remember why I know them or what movie is fromamiliar Jason. was that okay, as you're making sure you didn't have any more that? Those are from how to train your dragon. Okay, that is why. Okay, Ye, that's right. Yeah, great, great movie. Yeah, that that was another one where I was like wow, all the movies in the trilogy were excellent. Yeah, yeah, so that was a that was a Jason Movie. Was a Jason Movie. Tell us about how to train your dragon. Jason, Jason, to we lose you. Well, that's a bummer. Oh No, we did had a day drain dragon. Well, well, we jump in, but ten thoughts on how Train Dragon. Oh, thumbs up. Totally love that movie. It was dream works right, or was it was that? That was dream works. Yeah, and and you know, Shrek is fine, but I was say, you know it, you know Shrek one was all right, Shrek to, I think, is better. And then whatever happened after that. But you know, I always thought dream works is kind of like didn't never be as good as Pixar. And then they put out how to training drag and I was like, okay, I see, wait, no, wait, was hot treating Dragon, dream works, ors Ho drinking dragging the weird blue sky one. I'm fairly compliment because I know Kung Fu panda was dream works. Okay, I'm gonna go look. Yeah, that's dream works as well. Yeah, I don't train your dragons. Probably the only d dream works film that I would say that I absolutely adore. Yeah, not a Shrek Fan. I'm not so much of a Kung Fu Panda Fan, but yeah, that is one. That is one that I would definitely, definitely say is a fantastic movie on all levels. Hello again, Hey, he's bad is it was strange. I could hear you, but you guys can hear anything. I was saying, Oh, that happens. Well, I don't know if you heard Ken said it's the worst movie he's ever seen. How dare you show your face around here again? Sounds about it right now, but I just really enjoyed that film. I mean it has one of the one of my favorite soundtracks of all time. Music in that is just beautiful. That was the movie that convinced me that dreamworks could make like Disney level movies. We were literally he just said that before you pop Yah. Kung Fu panda was good as well, but had to train your dragon is, I think, the best, definitely, I've ever done. Well, to me an interesting juxtaposition between Kunfupana, had trade dragon. Obviously, how to training drunk and just has a better story, has better characters, has more poignant moments. I think the mirroring of toothless's injury with with hickup pickups injury is...

...just absolutely brilliant. The fact that there's actual stakes and something was lost and he can't ever get it back, I thought was fantastic. I thought come from pinned one like it's really fun movie. Obviously it's way goofier. I thought was really fun. But then you look at how to train your dragon too, and had to try to train your dragon three and the sticks change and people are growing and learning and they're still, you know, doing their character arcs. And come to pant to two is exactly the same as kind coupana one, and kind of who paint the three is exactly the same as kind coupanda two. They made three they may be. There are three kin Fu pandas and they're all fun. Like none of them are bad movies, and three in particular has some really, really gorgeous animation. I mean really gorgeous. This like whole spirit roll thing. Like I was like wow, it's really pretty moving. But there's absolutely no evolution in the characters. The plots essentially identical from one to two to three. So it's like pick one and watch that one and he watched all of them, whereas how to train your dragon, all three movies are distinct, kind of like toy story. They're all doing different things and they're all wonderful. Yeah, you know this one where the the movies, especially the character, main characters, everything, kind of age with the audience as they made it. HMM. But one of the things that endeared it to me is just hiccups, sarcastic wit throughout the whole movie. I just love that kind of humor. And Yeah, the soundtrack for that and then the animation in the first one was really good. I mean it gets better with each movie, but even you go back and watch it now, if you go back, I think it's the scene where he's about to kill he's trapped toothless, he's about to kill him. They do like a close up on his eye, like the Iris is so detailed. You can see like the reflection of the forest in there. They just put so many details into that movie. They didn't have to. A lighting was beautiful because they trying to remember who they brought in. They brought in a consultants who worked on normal films. I thought you're going to say who work with dragons. No, it was so they couldn't find anios. It was light bulb McGee. It was lating extra night. Yes, just again a really beautiful movie and I don't think they wasted a second of their screen time. I agree with that well, and I think one of the things I appreciated about it was that they actually the the animal. Like the chief animator watched his cat and animated his cat and that was like that became the movements of the dragons. And that you know, not knowing that going in, I'm watching this movie and I'm like this looks like Luna. It's my black cat, and I just thought that was hilarious and wonderful and just really indear. Heard all the dragons to me because I love cats. Well, toothless is like all the best characteristics of a cat and a dog just kind of wrapped into a scaly yeah for sure, for sure. Just gonna say that he's kind of got he's got dog kind of movements and then he's got cat kind of movements, but he's all dragon. Yeah, for sure, for sure. You could. I could say that about one of my cats. Do so all first, all track, all right, we got one last eight movie. Now this one. Well, I'll I'll just do it and then I'll explain why it's on this list. Okay, did somebody call for an expedition expert? I'm not in the book, but I'm at your service. To the first two quotes, I try to pick really difficult ones. And the third one is should be a debtie away. This is just a mild spring Zephyr compared to the big wind of sixty seven, or was it seventy six? Oh, well, no matter, I remember the big blow. Well, anyone have any ideas this? We need a poop. It is indeed Wi that buzzing hooint always means something. Now the only reason for making a buzzing noise is if you are a be and the only reason for being a be is to make honey, and the only reason for making honey is so I can eat it. That is now. So I cheated a little bit because those technically came out of separate episodes, but they were combined into one long anthology. Just going to say, yeah, any adventures of Winnie the poods right, it is just so. I grew up on Winnie the Pooh and yeah, even the new adventures which get a little sillier. I love those any too. Um Hm, but man, those first three shorts are just my some of my favorite children's don't I look at, you know, my friends with small children. I look at what their kids are watching him like this. I'm just like pure Garbie like show. Just just look them watch wi the Pooh like that. Stuff hasn't gone anywhere that way. The Pooh is better than whatever the shlock you're giving your giving kids. As that young on Stein's get out of here with that garbage. Weni, the poop just he he's just such an adorable character. HMM. Just every part of it, the singing, for the fact that they know that they're in the book and they're doing the narration and and it's just so good, like timing. Stuck at the top of the tree and so they turn the book he slides down. I love it though, the rain song, the blustered day song, just every bit of it, half flumps and ouzels. It's just plumps and Wuzzles on my Halloween playlist. It's just nice. It's just pure. It really just captures the essence of like a child's...

...imagination and the joy of that. And Yeah, there's some scary stuff and there's some you know, stuff that gives you anxiety and things like that, but but in the end everything's okay. It's just I just, you know, just the whole thing. I can watch it forever. I love it. Hmm Huh. Yeah, we need the Pooh was my sister's favorite. Yeah, she to this day still has her poo bear. Who has poo bear has seen better days, but but that that was her jam. was when the Pooh and the Little Mermaid, and so I guess I can remember the first time. It was the second time I went to Disney world, but I was, you know, I was like a toddler the first time I went, so I don't remember any of it. But the second time we went to Disney world, that was my sister's first visit and we walked all over magic kingdom that day trying to find Winnie the Pooh. We finally found him right at the end of the day and she was the happiest little kid on the planet because she finally got to meet Pooh bear. But but we watched a ton of Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, the Levis and household was a winning the poo family, even nay, everyone was a character. So pop was owl because he was old and wise. Mom was Kenga, obviously because she's the Mama. Mama Anna was rabbit, I was tigger, Ethan was Pooh and then, of course, when Naomi Nao we was when she was young and adorable and not a not an anti teenager. I love you, Naomi. She was she was rude because she was always with me and and it was just yeah, we we were Winnie the poo family. Dan Get better. But I distinctly remember. Who is he? Your the first I think it was my or Joel. I don't remember. It kind of broke down was getting but I was literally and then I was too young to remember this, but I would literally jump around, like I would get around by bounce. This is surprised you are. I know one digger tiger was always my favorite as well. But but so I distinctly remember I was like I was like five, six. I don't remember when the first the Pooh movie came out, who's grant adventure, and we still quote that one like s s h skull just and. But the whole point that movie is that Christopher Robin is having to go to school and he's like yeah, Whoo, we're not going to be together forever because I have to grow up, and who's like just doesn't get it, like now we're going to be together forever, and Chris Robbs like forever, so long time, and who's like it's a long time. When I with you and me understanding that Oh, Christop Rom's going to grow up and give up, like leave boo bear just I was. I literally on that Pattio over there, Ashley, you can look out there. I was pacing around that patio weeping, like no, it doesn't have to end like this. I was so I was like angry crying because I was like you can't abandon Pooh like this. I had a similar reaction. So, yes, I get it. It's okay, guys. They made Christopher Robin and that's the closest thing to a live action remake that I've actually thanks really fun movie. But yeah, so that's my that's the final movie that was mine. Many nations need Pooh. I just it's so near and near to my heart and I still think it holds up just as just as fun and charming to watch. Trespass as will it was short for trespassers. William can. What are your thoughts on when you yeah, Oh, it thumbs up. Absolutely. That sort of one of my that one is that's one of my favorite films from the sort of the Xerox era of Disney. The S and S is probably one of my favorite eras of Disney movies for the fact that the films that were made at that time we're not necessarily as strong story wise as when you compare them to like the golden age ones from the S, but there's so much stronger characterwise because the animators at that time, like you know, robin hoods another great example. I love not a lot of pot and Robin Hood, but the characters are so much fun. Uh Huh. Yeah, so, you know, I think that will be animators list were I thought, yeah, that's I know that one by heart. That's it's great. So it's right up there. It from that sort of that whole era of Disney when they were doing really great really great characters and really great moments between characters, even if the stories were a lot simpler and less epic, which I think is kind of part of their charm from that time. Say, Robin Hoods got got a banger scant soundtrack. Yeah, that, oh, totally, Roger Miller for the win. So yeah, all right. Well, we will wrap up by asking Ken one pound Quy. So we did pretty good, pretty good these guys. All right, so we'll ask ten one final question. What's up with all these live action remakes of of cartoons? Have there been any good ones?...

Who? Hmm, I did I don't know. The Almighty dollar and just the lack of creativity and taking of risks. I could I couldn't tell you. I don't really know why they're doing it some of them. Have there been any that you were like, okay, that one was fine. Gosh, Oh, I have to think about that than I can you define remake a little bit, because there've been a lot of live I. Live Action, a Ladin, live action again, sleeping beauty and live action spect to gadget beating the beast was not very good. Beauty and the beast was okay in this sense that, I think, because the music is so damn good. I kind of looked at it. I tried to look at it in the sense that okay, because I've seen beauty in the beast as a stage play. Like I've seen it on stage and it's basically the same story, the same songs, and the songs are so damn good that it's just like it's almost makes it forgivable. It's an ugly film in terms of it's desine, you know, and Emma Watson is nice to look at, but she's not necessarily as animated as you know, like she did the auto tuned of her of her singing voice as a bit too obvious. But that being said, you know, I just kind of sort of looked at it as okay, well, it's kind of like I'm watching a stage version of this story, so I can kind of give it a pass just for being able to see that. But at the same time it's just kind of like wide bother, you know. Yeah, yeah, and so so my the thing it doesn't make sense to me is why do people keep paying money for it? Like you, you have access to the animated, good version of it. Why would you pay money to go see a almost guaranteed to be inferior version? Because you have limitations with physical bodies that don't exist in cartoons, and I've already forgot about very roun dress some of them. Forgotten. Yeah, I mean I had to remind myself there that there was a beauty in the beast one there. Yeah, they didn't the east, they did Aladdin, they did Mulan Ju Jus One. Well, I didn't. I see, I liked jungle but but there, there, there were two versions that came out approximately the same time and I've only seen one of them. Well, jungle book. The jungle book itself is public to me. Right. So, but there was a Disney remake of the jungle book, Disney film, Right, right, and there's smoothly, I think, was it? What came out? Yeah, it's well, really good adaptation of jungle book, One Thousand Nine hundred and ninety four version, with not one just called George of the jungle. No, no, it's called it's called the jungle book and still kind of holds up. That was actually Lena Hedi's first big role. Lena Heady Played Sirce Atlantister on game of thrones. Always be a game with those actors and I'm just like who, yeah, I didn't, I couldn't get into it. Well, then you were not disappointed. Jason Scott Lee Money and then Carrie lwis was was the villain, which was really fun, and then US know he was. He was like a poacher or somebody, and then Sam Neil was in it as well, and John Quie and so yeah, that one's definitely worth checking out. And don't I don't know that that Disney was particularly involvent, but that's a very good at like I don't even know that you would call an adaptation, because I've never read the books, so I don't know how that fairs. Yeah, adaptation, soft free boot, something like that, something like it. It was very fun. But most of the Disney ones have been more or less shot for shot remakes, which Mulan actually deviated from the story, like was not shot for shot and made it worse in almost every single way. It was like what it wasn't. It wasn't a girl who was just trying to help her family at overcame her own weaknesses to become this, to become the soldier. Know, she was magic. She's magic. Yeah, it's say. They gave her superpowers and they took away moushoe. Yeah, it's bad. I didn't see that, but it's bad. I didn't say, yeah, there's that. She's not even a chee or whatever. No music, it's not a no UN what. And they but no, they did. They did it the worst possible way. They had the musical stings to remind you of the better movie that you could be watching instead. I was like, why would you do that? This is just craption. Tiger, hitten, dragon, but worse. That's very disappointing. I it made me so sad. I loathe that movie, not because I think it's just it's not an awful movie by it something. You take it as it by itself. It's not awful. It's fine, it's run of the mill, it's mediocre, but for what it represents and what it does to the to the old Lulan, it is disgusting and is an a combination. It has no right to exist. That's my final word on the I don't think Nathaniel has strong opinions about that at all. So what is y'all's hung up with? With a new Aladdin, because I love the new Aladdin. I didn't watch. I'm just against. I refused to watch it. Okay, them, after after the long I can't watch any. Can Jason Button those? It's the same hang up I have with all of them, except a little, a little stronger. It's just the original is so much better. And you know, will...

Smith, he's fine, he does an okay job, but he's he's nowhere Robin Williams and he's not animated well and I think he's not trying to be Robin Williams and I actually appreciated that. I what I liked about that one is they actually tried to do something different with the story and I'm okay with that. I really loved the music and I really like the cast. Like I think, honestly, the only like weak part of the cast was the guy who played a far which it was so young. Yeah, maybe way too hot. HMM. Yeah, I didn't know. But anyway, I personally enjoyed it, and Naomi Scott as jasmine just kind of busted out like all the speakers, because she's so good. Yeah, but I personally that's my favorite of all of them. And you would have thought that I would have liked the maleficent because I like, I just I have no sympathy for maleficent because she says now you should do with me all prince and all the powers of hell. Sorry, I'm not going to have much sympathy for a villain that calls upon the hours of hell, upon powers of heck. Well, yeah, happy about it, but maybe maybe, I don't know. I don't know. I love the costuming in that one. I thought they made Angelina Jolie look amazing as as Maleficent, but I just I just could not drive with that one. Alns, the only one of the remakes that I've actually really enjoyed. All right, so before we go, Ken, what is the worst animated movie you have ever seen in your life? Man, the's it comes your head like I hate this movie and about could burn every film and Acetate cell of this. I would do it. Oh Gosh, oh, to think about that one. No, don't think. The first thing. The pups in your head built you with rage, you know, because I forget the ones that I don't like. So that's the fit's compatible all. That's not the worst. The worst. Yeah, feels you with rage. Well, like I said before, I'm not a fan of Shrek. I wouldn't say it fills me with rage, but I really don't like it. I'm also, okay, I'll go ahead and say it, I'm not a fan of frozen. HMM, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, so it. I don't know. Those those two three close. Well, I haven't seen frozen too, because I'm like, I didn't. Why would I watch frozen too if I didn't like Rosen? Who Point? Yeah, I just it. It felt to me like it was just kind of like it was tangled, tangled light. I love tangled. To down this so cool. Yeah, one of the best things that the studios done in more recent years. I'm sure I could think of another one that I hate more, because they don't. But yeah, I'm just I'm not. I don't feel the frozen thing. The part of it is just the fact that it got so much love for the whole sister thing when it wasn't the first sister thing, and I'm just like, no, it's not the first sister thing. The sister story movie about sisters, like we said before. So and it just it. The the the hype and the love for it just got so blown out of proportion and it just didn't didn't do much for me when I saw it. All right, well with that. Unless anyone has any closing remarks, can thank you so so much for giving us two hours of your time and thanks redoing your infro. High screwed up. You know what it that's just caught it in the intro. True, yea, I'd be really bad to be finding that now. Yeah, I really appreciate you coming on. You're welcome anytime you want to come on, but why don't you tell good people in in the Inter revs, all six billion of our listeners, where could people find you? What sort of stuff can they buy from you? Okay, well, plug yourself. Okay. Well, I have a website, can tree becom has links to all my socials. You can buy my books there. I've done a couple of poetry books called let there be owls everywhere and gnomes of the cheese forest. Now I'm interested. Gnomes of the cheese force is delightful. It got the Ashley's six year old niece seal of approval. She got it for Christmas for me. That's here. So anyway, so good ahead. Can. Yeah. So my another book called Ice Cream truck at midnight. You can see my animation there as well the animation stuff I've done with kids, Lego animations, different things like that. It's just a lot of a lot of stuff, and can is being modesty, literally wrote the Book On Stop Motion Animation. He's written a few textbooks, yeah, which I thought I knew Ken had written about stop monition animation. I'm look at there as I was like, Oh, this man wrote text books. Oh, the director of nightmare before Christmas wrote the foreword for this one. Oh, that's cool. So anyway, if you want to learn about stop motion animation, like can you kinder guy? Thank you. Yeah, thank you, thank you for coming on, someone with actual clouds. Yeah, I'm on to our mother little podcast. Thank you.

So, Jason, where we find you? All right, you can find me on most social media, at comic exile or at Comic exilcom as cash for Gash. All right, so few different places. You can read my words on my blog, nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom. You can also read my words on Fang girlishcom where I'm writing a lot about star trek here lately, lots of Star Trek coming out. You can hear my words being read on the Sci fi five podcast, five minutes of science fiction history five days a week. Actually wrote today's which is about Robert Beltran, who commander to Coote on Star Trek Voyder. Today is his birthday. You can hear me aside from dearly tobate. You can also hear me on a few of the different podcasts on the we made this podcast network where I'm talking a lot about film and Star Trek. So there you go. And you can find me at holy goal on on twitter and, of course, Greig and I do the kitchen chemists on Youtube. Great Cooking Show, lots of fun, tasty testers. Thought of that? Oh No, I guess I keep calling it tasty testers but I delivered. Called it testy tasters, but I never say it the right way. Oh yeah, go subscribe to us. We got great recipes on there. They do. I use the Russell spross recipe all the time. It is so good. Thank you. Most of them are pretty simple, pretty straightforward and delable. They're all delicious, or I wouldn't. We had one episode that I was like this was very mad, and think that episode got lost into the either actually happy about it, but that's only one episode, and I'm gonna mention when greedy was involved. It's not worth talking about, but I'm so Ken. I want you to brace your ears because this is how I've chosen to close out every episode's or Jason, and for myself it is j Jonah Jamison laughing, but the pitch and the tone shifts every time I pressed the button, so brace yourself until next time, everybody. Goodbye. God, that was one one. Let me try again. Goodbye. I love so much. Now. I was like I was incredibly restrained on the Tun for today. He really was. This is the least. He's never used the sound board. Can please be on the podcast full time? Yes, I love it. I can show you the world shining, shimmeringsed. Tell me, princess, now, when did you last let your heart decide? I can open your eyes, take you wonder by one, wonder over sideways and under a magic carpin ride fantastic point of you. No one to tell us where to go or say we're only place I.

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