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Episode 7 · 1 year ago

Episode 7 - Spooky Scary

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're joined once again by special guest Ashley Thomas to talk about HORROR! Nathanael is back from the dead! Greg keeps his shirt on! Jason's house is clearly haunted! 

Check out Ashley's video on Night of the Living Dead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvwCweV8TpY&t=521s

And her video on Alien:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvwCweV8TpY&t=521s 

SOTHE ALBAM ONS of horror, we'll be rightback to our documentaryon stomach rashes, Howcom in the middle and just a second you knowat's wherall. The songs in thisCD set are about hundred songs on three undred CTS. Welcome everyone to the latest episodeof dearly debated the show Whel you're entitled to your opinion. Even if it'swrong, I'm your host Nathaniel Melians Levinson a I am your cohost Gregg. Youbetter keep your top on friends, at'll, make sense later and I'm Jason Mystery and Daniel, and Iam ashleytomas perfect beautiful. So if, if you could inclue from Bein show thatI that I tacked on and h and the wonderful follywork from Ashi Thomas,we are talking about horror, horror, spooping, scary genre. That Gregedidon't know a whole lot about interesting week of homeerk actually gave us some homework. Wewatched a couple of of scary movies, but not scary. Movie, No thing, Iwouldn't say that any of them are overtly scary, but they are icons ofthe horror John. I was referring to the really bad parody movies, SGARY SCR otat see. I haven't actually seen that I've seen clips of it and I know thecips were enough to maybe now I never want to see it yeah everything I knowabout it makes me notl. We should do an episode on parody, so once again, umthere was a lightning storm and my my this weekend, history, maybe paper, gotreplaced with a memo from an alterate dimension. So, let's see, let's justsee what h t what's been happening over there in a para universe, queenreleases their seventy fifth album Queen Quang Robo freddi Mercury statedseventy four double platinum albums and we're still no closer to discoveringwhether there are a finite number of musical fermutations that totally rock the ambassador from the dinosaurprotectorocalled for the cessation of screenings of drastic park. Calling itspecies is propaganda. The ambassador released a press statement saying quoteseriously: How would you like it if we made movies about you apes beingdisplayed for entertainment? Besides badyator I mean Michael Craten couldnot be reached for comment. The newyork nets had another outstanding season,putting them in the running for best team. Ever along with the Detroit Lionsand the Charlotte Bobcast Baseball Hall of Famer, Michael Jordan, me havebeenan average basketball player, but he sure knows how to manage apro sportsteam, then Gotol letter N, j, Yeahalternamj, just jis your re, I meanjust absolutely. He O lichol still has the home on record. Oh Wow, impressive,yeah, andfantastic, fantastica running a basketball team, US absolutelyoutstanding all right. So let's talk about ohorroror or horror or this Otat, we admittedly don't know a ton about, butwe brought with us an expert mld Sai Ashly. Let's educate some people, yeahokay. So when we say Horbor, I think most people immediately think Freddie,Freddy and Jason, like th they're, O classic spooky like the big e, thehumanoi monster killers that are on stopable that are always hunting youdown or that's, not everything, horrori yeah Um. So, just for sake of clarity, the UH reallyscholarly source bikipedia describes horror films as a Horeon is afilm that seeks to elicit fear for entertainment purposes. Talks about theMakab and the supernatural or frequent themes for may also overlap with thefantasy supernatural fiction and thriller Jenrose but yeah. Basically, the point is to be scary. The R I think I think horror is morethan that. I think there there's some interesting philosophical things. Youcan discuss bemind ohorror, but just generally speaking, that's what a WorIm supposed to do is to care yyeah I...

...mean nd. I've always found the onesthat the the premises that I find truly horrified are the ones where thekillers, just like a regular person and not the ones where it's like thesupernatural Jugernon, who just literally, will never die like man tooangry to die, and it's just chasing. You know jugornauding and everything,and and like it's so ridiculous. It becomes absurd. When I was a kid, wasthe opposite when I was a Gif, of course I just didn't want to see thescary fairs and let him think that those could be out there and when youget older, it's like the more disturbing stuff omind to be way morerealistic is like, like teampan kind of feeltse, merorablefigures, and now I'm reminding myself I th t could be the truth and I'm scared an movie's like well done yeah. I justremember when I was a kid certain shows and movies that would scare me and Ihated them so now I' I'm some of these might sound weird. I I think I want tosay I don't. I don't actually know what movie it was, but I think it was beatlejuice and just being th the body horror. I remember some guy l Ke bouncingaround in his eyes like bugging out- and I was just like I hate this. I hateall of this. I'm Gumby used to terrify me there, a sowd of ghost writer. If you know W at Goest Riat, I do so.If August wrigtes, her gost is nights hurn an I ghost riter, no an I maed anso irasoly write her. So ghost writer was this pbs, I wanto say it was pt that we used to we used to get vjsts.We used to rentve Acesta from the library, basically with these kids, andthis ghost would c n take over their computer and like type out messages,and so they would go solve mysteries with this ghostwriter, and I rememberus being really young and the kids who were like fifth, greater or older, andthey didn't know what FTHE FBI was and were like Ki Still Oni up the EF They'Rso stupid. I remember there was one episode in particular that wereally loved where ghostwriters like going back in time and they're passingmessages to to these kids in, like the nineteen thirties, and he almost diesecause. It takes so much energy to travel back and O. I remember they didone where it was like a Halloween episode and Um. They were writing thehorror story and then it was like playing it out. I seen a lot of shows like people aretelling a story and that he lik shows the characters actually doing the stuffUm, and it was just like this monstr sewer thing that slimed everything Ihated it. I was like. Why would you do this and reever seeing the goose bumpscovers in the library- and I was like who reads this- these are nasty. I HateI never. I've never been one to seek out scary things, even thoughadmintetely I thou talk about later. I Love Horror Games. So what so? So I'mcurious what got you into horror a few different things um I used to so so mybackground, the very first war movie I ever watched, I was maybe like ten oreleven and my cousin and I watched psycho over Christmas because you knowone of those Alfor Hitch Got Christmas, Classic Psycho Um. So what you watchdon Christmas night- and I remember really enjoying the movie, even thoughit was it, was creepy and that's what I but I didn't really like horror at all,even though, like I read a lot of the boosbons books is a kid. I neverthought they were Superscario just thought they were interesting. Whatwhat got me into horror- and before I was really into worror- was what Iwould do as I would sit myself up and I would watch one horror movie a year atHalloween and I was good for the rest of the year, but I always made in agood one. So, like the year, I watched the extarcist. I thought about it formonths afterwardssolot of in to HAEA lot of mental preparation. For that one,I guess maybe Gosh. Six or seven years ago I started listening to the retroistpocast, because I am a curmergenle like retro Gamer and he talks a lot aboutvideo games. But he also talks a lot about REOR TV and film and H hat justall the all things retro Um and he covered a lot of horor movies on hispockcast, and I found that I thought all the stories for the horror. Filmswere very interesting and I really enjoyed learning about how they weremade, especially Becauseo many of the worldshestring budgets and yet became these crazy blockbusters and our icons ofgenre. So I thought wow. That's super interesting, like the force creativitythat had to happen when you are, you know, have small amounts of money towork with. So I thought I a like wow, that's really interesting. Maybe Icould handle them. Maybe many maybe, and then there was a pogcast that kindof split off from that. That was connected to the site called Saturdayfrights, which was specifically about retroorder, and so the h host vix sagewould cover richral horror film, but he also look at Retohor Television, so kethe twilight zone and night gallery and the otherlimit that's oe thing it 's just like. Well, these all soundreally interesting too. Maybe I should try to watch some of these, but itwasn't until I watched stranger things and absolutely fellin what was strangerthings my favorite show. I knew enough about the things that stranger thinksdraws from Um, specifically like alien...

...and Joun Carpenter's work, StephenKings, work, stedents, bilbers work. Just you know those types of horror andthriller stories they draws from. So I I recognized all of those thingsbecause I knew enough about the movies to recognize them, but it was like Oky.I love this show so much. I ended up riding my masters, thes O on Strangerthings. I need to go watch all these movies, so I did here in Charlotte wehave the Ersle Gran theater over in South Charlte. I in October they alwaysdo a retro horror, Muf M, so they'll do two retro films a week. That's how Isaw a lot of them. Some of the films we're going to talk about today. I'vgot to see them for the first time on the big screen, and that was reallyspecial. So that's kind of what got me into horror and H. I just kind of youknow, for whatever reason: I'm not scared anymore. So it does. It doeschange a lot just from me. Having a background an in video production. Idid I did like my as a kid. I never had any interest it was always like. I knewthat was going to scare me. Don't want to be scared, so next question Siyet iswhere it began. It ended and somewhere along the line. I just started watchingmovies period, not just to horor movies in a different light, as I started tolearn film more and and do produce it myself to where I can see things andwhether ihave enjoyed the movie or not was kind of irrelevant, and it doesn'tme that I don't enjoy people always ask. Oh, you shl not enjoy things hesaidtiking N, like no, absolutely not in reality it just. It makes me watchthem differently and I enjoy different aspects of it, and so I can go back andwatch you know a horror movie or some real old movie. That may not like holda lot of entertainment value and I can just appreciate what what it is they'redoing and so. For that reason I have I've been able to enjoy some horrormovies, but it's still something that that, admittedly, like we said meanthing Y harnt, that into, and so we did a little homework y you gave us,you gave us a you now you mov movies. To now. You Sid you watch psycho whenyou were ten and you weren't, like I actually saw psycho after I hadwatched whatever the latest, the the last lounetuns movie they ever did andthey have a psycho spoof in there where, where they're. Looking for BU whoe, Idon't remember w the it's, not Michael Jordan, 'cause. It wasn't in Space Tam,but for some reason, my brains in Bodi tons back in action. Yeah I haven't exlse Ho is ever its Rasuryeah anyway, se he miss hes. He does to findbugs Bundy. He does in this hotel room and bug bundyes like in the showersinging, and so he walks into the bathroom and bugs Bundy it's in blackand white and buks and Goi I cleam, and then you see him. Poring Hershe'schockat syrup into the drain e pobby actually got the blood effectidpsycho. U So, and I was like what is happening and then I watch Psycha, likeOh EAN, Ike, o a really brilliant reference that nobody, but the adultsgot right n. But so how did you ether watching Cycho at pen, my cousin Jena?And I we are the only two nirds in our family and she m she. She was alwaysmore into like horror and science fiction than than I was as a kid, or atleast she was into the Moore of the like adult side of that, whereas I'mwatching Gard oils and we both watched the x files together. That was thmhm.So funny enough, I ended U, I was a big moulder fan. I went into sciencefiction and she's a big scully fan and she became a nerss got. The effect isreal. Thanno, that's legitial thing B, Yeah that that was that was. It wassomething that she had my uncle Tom. Her Dad is a big Scifi, horror guy, andso he had recorded a bunch of stuff off t V, and I think that was how we got acopy of it. Tesin horror, an any previous experience. No, I I wasjumping in pretty much blind as well. I grew up. There was not a o. Therewere not a lot of horror films in my home growing up. I on really that thatupset about it. You didtnot even like the exocist. No, I as like, O. U I to execis whic you CA,ser, Constantin horror. No, I haven't seen Constantin. I would consider itACO yeah. It is utlk. It has very simlar themes too. Youn ithats, likeeedim, O, think he is Blay. You can have multiple genres going on happensto be a character that that does those things I mean. I it just happens. Ye Esots. I her what happens to be in a horror movie. I mean I kind of feel thesame, a way about alien, which is my favorite couple wall time. I'd say withConstantine like the TV show, is more in the supernatural, ork and genre h.The movie would be what about supernatural o the show S. I watchedthe heck out of that now you're going to have to talk to me about that 'cause.That's when I', I'm kind o waiting to watch until it finishes because there'seight thousand seasons Ele. So here's my brief opinion supernatural. It wasbossom and then they clearly intended to end after the fifth season, and sothen, after that it got really bad. We're on like Season Fifteen Nowthougi,know wow. I know th the villains, the the main, so it was like it kind of alternates between there's alot of episotic stuff, but there's also...

...these big overarking plots with theirfamily, and you know supernatural stuff, that's going on th after the fifthseason. It was clearly at meant to end and then like six and seven, thevillains were these fish people, things that were just not scary or terrifyingor interesting, and apparently it got better and like they th Y, they theymade it more interesting. I was going to say it's as a rollercoaster ide yeah,but bu the first Fak seasons are really good. I mostly got interested becausethey did episode. Yes, t they're, Absoel theyt, he a lot. They do a lotof well, they do a lot of horro horror, reference, stuff h, the scooby do episode. They actually gointo the animated series and turn it into an actual horror asprettygreat, and they also had areally interesting metat episode. Where there's like a different dimension,where I don't knower, if it was Adifferentetin, I don't know exactlywhat the pot t its basically similar to the Star Trek, one. Where he's thewriter one of the main angel guys who is absolutely hilarious in the show he's like writing the supernatural showand then somehow one of the killers, an the show, comes into the onto the sennCo people hi set it it as actually a reall good episode, but but yeah it'slike tweny ten. I understand why it's still going it'smaking money yeah. That was definitely Horro, but Ido believe it insish O. I have ad US MAYB mayb'll go back and rewatch therest of the seven seasons. I haven't watched what the heck I watch eightseasons of the show and there's still a hundred episode wo. What's e, there'sstill what two hundred epirsodes I haven't seen: AT'S REDICULOUS! I don'tI don't. I don't feel good about that all right. So let's talk about thesemovies, yeah uo movie, so so m. do we want to talk about the movies or de dowant to go to shop? The Su Jeers and the bring those movies up as when go.Where do you want to just talk about those three movies and then jump intoSel Jama, four movieshere and Um? I kindo like togo chronologically because I think I think you can see like the evolution ofthe genre as we do that so so to start Um. I I just just for your your broaghtoverview, the movies that we watched this week were Um Zombi horse. I chose nothif living ded,UNTEN sifty, eight herror comedy, which was Darkare, O n Ninetuen and seventyfour Halloween W in ISN ninehuteren AD. Seventy eight classic lauser. I I would argue that t hit was thefirst true Yatery as well, and then silence of the Lane, os N, nine teen nint, one so m. let's get started with Ni living debt, so had you guys seenatof the living deat before I saw the day of the dead remage withtingRomwhich is okay, never seen it, but I think I have liked it the best out of athree. I thought it was a solid movie, although what a Bummer of an Enddi? No over Hospoilers, but it was well a well spoil it. It's Toi IAQUITE, ten years. Yes, I was going o say I enjoyed it quite abit. I found I dislike the evolution of whatZambis or Pyrio Y. it's like 'cause. Ye In this is it's essentially. It claimsto be like the first I know, apparon. The idea of zombis had existed beforehis movie. It's not the first Aran but but Zonbi walking dead people well nosZabis had typically been like a Voodoo thing. Whereh someone gets cursed andthey're in this state. wherewhoever Kirsten has control over them and havesome of the traits of znbis, but this was really the first thing whereZombi's worthys reanimated dead bodies that that transmit th, whateverwhatever it is, T im, killing people yeah Ri. So it was almost like whensomebody would die, they would join the Hord, yea and and eating the flesh,which that always never made sense to me. 'cause like okay, you bite someoneand then icome Azombi you eat someone. Do their little. Do Their bits becomeAzombi tandaandwhy? Is there nozon beyond zonbi cannibalism, because, okay,so the eed energy and the brain has to function the Boby? So if the rain isnot functionaatly, you cut the arm off of Izambi. The arm Zabi's arm,presumably at least for my knowledge, would would be limp, but it s dependson which on te, mov, O e brain, you know you'd still be working Um. However,it is a good point that, like one somebof the's bit and they turn intoIzambi, it's like how are those people not just eaten completely like how isit always like they get bitten in like Thezombi Stea? I thin, I think thelittle girl Ithea girl a Riti. She got bit, but they got away if I y just pullout a little bit of biology here- and this is not this- is this not just hissoundid movie? This is like alzammi movies. Have kind of this issue isOreallythn no okay'cause? First of all, so I, U D walking dead. I watched thefirst episode and the first half of the second episode N. Then I fell asleepand I was like again this up show. So Mor it's it's as I ha o Aami pop apoplasboring Bo bars, lung sheerly, because it's Sumyapopup Agans, like this, isone of the worst acting I've ever seen.

It's it's so born, but okay. So so thefirst thing you see is he he he gets out of the hospital and he's goingthrough the city and there's a tank, and I'm like okay, how do Zombie's beata tank? This is something that doesn't make sense, is if you're spreadingthrough saliva sliht is a garbage disease vector just a really garbagedisease, vector Soif you're only spreading through bite, first of all,they're slow, moving, second of all, they're corpes, so they're going NAdecay. It takes like couple of days and your flesh is falling off. Thirdly, Second Amendment, at least inthe south you're, not having a Sambe uprising, a sout, a at my handof. Thereare no hombies like Lik if they just gave like a map like if there was everlike a news station forzombi uprising. It would just show like, like the mosteffective areas like an tightly Texas, just like Nol, zero ye, er break Serbe.A couple and then my my zero offbreaks Wyomings Ero out grakd West zerooutbreaks, there's like one outbreak in California because they were like Oohit's. We can't kill thesovth people too at much. What you're, saying and I'msaying is wo dead being set in Atlanta is unrealistic. T it just the idea that that you couldget this kind of unstoppable force it just doesn't. That's always bothered meif it was an airborne, doseason yeah, but then it's like hiding doesn't helpyou, but that's why I found this one. This mave IE, pretty interesting,heaskin contrast what were like Wer Kindof, used to like WHA exorbing andwatching ob movies and like this hugely like what it's world wars is what themovies called Bort Yeah D. I mean it's taking placeduring movies. Onbiapayou have all of like the resident yengals like ahundred and T it's more about yeah. This buzy actually talked about that.The whole point was they that that, when they didn't understand what it was,that's when it was spreading, but as soon as they figured out what it wasthey rallied and they're like were just going. Ta Wipe everything out and theydid it so so I thought that was probably the best treatment ofAzombiapoclas I've seen and because most of he other apocalypsis, it's justlike Takin as given this is just this is lifean. You cand't appreciate it atthe time to where it's like people that don't understand like the idea ofAzambi or getting the information as the people in the House e're gettingthe information beyond these little yeah new stations from like the radioand they're getting little bits of information, and I can just imagine asif you were feeling like youwere locked in thathouse with these people and feeling like that, fear that they're having andand getting little bits of information here and there to try to understand asopposed to watching it. Now, I'm just like all right. Well, Ther Zobe, theseguys, like you're Gon, to realize that you just shoot them in the head andthey're dead. But like like, like kind of appreciating that this was kind ofthe first Versesombi yeah and again I think they did. I Thi. I thought themovie did a really good job of dealing with. Oh No, once people figure outthat all yt to do shoot hem the head thr, they end the apoculaps, an t likeyou, gotta shoot him in the head and then got a braide body. It was itdidn't waste anytime either it was just like hey like work or visiting Hor dead,grandma, ths y e Yea, Er Ding away, and you n get stuff in a house, and it'slike all that happens in Lik, fi n. Then the middle did Plod a little bit,but I thought and- and I saw I was watching something that was umcomplaining about how the the girl- I don't remember, any of the characters-names, Barbara Barbara. How Barbara was kind of you know a dead fish, the wholetime, but I fougt you did real like she's, clearly, just in shock and hot,be Cannibal of doing anything right. So I think that was realistic and they tryto play like the cheese part Zombeyeah like she. I wouldn't even say thatshe's part Zombi, but like she's, so she's just in shock, yes she's in suchshock and she's, so scared like she's, basically she's practically catatonic,o there's those scenes where, like like the girl, lights, the match and shekind of backs off a little bit and Ay Start Nikin. Did she get bit and Li asho having e this, like this ixsensitivity towards the the flame Mandwhere there, as even some mystery for me here. We are whatever, however,many years later and there's still some some value inte for Manuary. So so Ienjoyed it yeah. I thought it was really well prafted. I thought that youknow the people acted intelligently, which is something that you sometimessee wore movies people acted dumbisway possible to get the best kill, so theywere intelligent. They 'ere like Bord, and you know they had arguments about.What's the best thing to do h the two people who wew up in the truck? How do you know? How are you thatTbatat fuel in your truck Brou like that, was on you? I was going to say my expect like it.It did subpurt my expectations a few times like, I always think, which isinteresting 'cause. This was like the first one yeah. I was thinking theescape at the end, one that they would escape at the end and that it wouldbasically be what they'd set up. They talked about the car not being far awayher brother had the keys. My expectation was for him to show back uphero, be psychologically freaked out by the fact that he's Azombi, but thenthey get the keys and you know, run away, but there were quite a few times,and you know the thing with Hem. Playing with her is potentially is own.He was pretty cool, O yeah th. That was something I'd, never really thoughtabout before and I'v seen the film a...

...few times so good good coer. I I didhave a couple of notes. Um on here. I think. First of all, this is a film andBlackan Wayif. You want to watch it in color. There is a colorized version forfree right now, wn Whit adds to the mystikan Raro yeah and 'cause. GeorgeaMerro plays a lot with light and shadow, and I think that is really important tothis funcausyou. What makes it scary is you wol alwaysget a good look at everything m, so you don't know what's coming ATHR exceptfor naked bucks on but its so I'm going to talk about naked butt, I'Mbe Um,whicwwe, actually reroune like wait, is thatas that just the naked Zambi yeah Oshowhim m. So I'm going Ta m make a note to talk about that later. When wecome out around the war satire, so we also had had slik Wacky Waby andplay. The wool there's there's one scene later on theintestints really really ood. I has one scene, the second time you seen NacaPazabi, a D nekaizomb, suddenly really really dirty but Edward 's, closing onthe House and there's one guy, there's one sombody who has like this littlepiece, O intestine and he's just doing this II. I saw a guy what wer you do, AAllright, someone didn't give that guyivestor. Actually, but that's thething like these are like the first. These are the first people being toldat like Xam. It's been so morewhere now you watch like Ros of how bad thewalking dead is it's pretty trash. But, like you look at how ridiculous theHombis Lov I mean, there's like that's pretty much. What the whole show isabout is how crazy good can we make our macof artists and make these Romotixoldies Andand, they're, so intense, and then here you have the first lookat zalbies and it's pretty much just t a guy with some like paint on his faceand he's a e playing with t e Ootestin, and it's like in to see where it startsane, where it gets to it. It's so interesting because for them at t etime, it's it's not like they had this idea like. Oh, it's got to look likewhat the walking dead looks like now for them that was obwiays. They weredid a perfectly good job of doing a thing also that that firzambi lookedlike e was from the adoms family. Oh yeah, he did look like he wasn' o he'd be previee. He lookedlike lurch, so one other thing that I so I think the true horror of no livingdead is not. This O easn is what happens to Ben yes, hunred pcent. So ifyou've never watched, Nete Living, dad, Paus Goas go bodget it's hour and ahalf or so, but like this spoilerler M, so duwane Jones whos, who placs Benthrough s nohast Heis, amazing. So some some background about his casting whenGeorgeomaro did the casting call, he didn't have a person of color in mindor anyone of any particular race in mind. He just chose the best actor andthat in being Dowin Jons, who was Masser Y, so Toldi Knowa SL is likedude is really really tall. Um. The fact that Y, just his his race in beinga black man, creates a whole other layer of tension within the filmbetween Ham and the guy who was hiding out in the basement, unblaking his nameright now, Ben and then at the end. He ybhen is the last one standing andhe gets shut because they see you w. The the militia just sees somebodymoving in the house. They don't take the time to find out. Is it a human oris it Azombi and they just shoot 'em right between the eyes and then thething that kills me is: If you watch the credits as the credits are rolling,you see them. tering te body, a Docko Aon, the Fudal carges stills of howthey drank that and they're using frigking meatbooks oe one pups Te bodisyeah. I I that to me was like the most disturbing heartbreaking thing aboutthis. Film is Leo you J S. You create, like a whole other layer of discussion,because the lead is a black man and how he was killed. So for that O be nineteen. Sixty eight,that's huge. That is, I mean that is, that is a big deal and it it's worthdiscussing Um last year, R, two years ago I got to be part of a mifgard movieclub discussion. THAT'S ONYOU TU! If you guess EA go watch. Look that upwhat we talk about, that an loing dead, so yeah. Just and that's that's onething that we couched on for and he Romaro made like twelve more right.Some Seon wid a few sequels I've only seen NNTI I planne on Ma did, I think,that's whichever one is in the mall. I've seen that one believe that'sTaofday of the day. Excuse me: Yes, I've seen that one. I think one of thethings again. That makes it even more horrifying just watching it days, we'reso desensitized to like thisonbe thingats, basically enrinerof its Ohactaly, and so where some of that worror aspect is lost on us that endingthat kind of this ral ending there and then you know credit afterwards or youknow: okay, that's not something wewere expecting rightreven the idea of makingthem like you could have just continued...

...the movie on to show them. Take him outlike the way that they did to the fire and to choose to do it in a way thatalmost seems like these. are it almost seemed like a documentary at that point,there is almost like yeah, and this is what happened to the guy, and these arepictures like Loke. What happened after that, and it's like like mmovies atthat- make a distinct, purposeful choice to do that stuff. I always payattention to why they're doing it a I feel like it adds so much to where yourpoint- and I didn't view it the first time this way, but it that really is. Imean the whole an that's where the horror lies is right there, it's theidea that, like Mizamis, were, were menacing and they were a little creepyg,but in reality was the tension that was building between people we ran in thehouse. It was the arguments that were happening, that that seemed so close attimes to one person betraying the had one letting him die for their own sakeand going back and forth until till finally they're all essentially workingtogether, but they all die off until it's just the one guy left and thenit's more people unintentionally, but they just walkthrough and kill Hem and yeah. It's just it's such a an interesting way Tto set up a movie. I story also one. I thought the second most shockingmoment in the movie other than Bens Death Heis when angry man giftsthe gunaway from from Ben, and they wrestle over it and then gets it back and thenjust shoots him yeah and it's like I've done. I've done dealing o yeah athere's. A couple F chances where, like at first is whan. He eat like lockedthem out. Essentially, then he gets back in ye like theail up the door andthen he beats the crap out of him Ben Punches that out of them a bunch oftimes and then yeah like after he gets the gunback she's like Youre done.YEAYO SAN J S Shoot Tsom, so Romaro had six six films stretching to twothousand and nine was and heand theyare very planted of the APSIES neit ef, theliving dead dawn of the dead day of the dead land of the dead diary of the deadand survival of the dead survival n the day was o nine wow Aa shes oldest n OudBeinteestyeah. So do you guys have frother thoughts on Thagt of living bed?I'm going to make a couple of other recommendations within the ZommiMoragenra better because have anything else you want to talk. U, I havefurther thoughts about Zambis. I thought it was a great movie. I reallyenjoyed it yeah we wered tat. We were mentioning all the all the filming, thefilm stuff. They clearly like put a box around the the camera. They were usingan just feled ye SOM. The Effects Er were KINDOFhilarious, but I thought the Gore was really dooris Lik. Yes, it still looksgood near at a yeah, practical fexwavecar and that's one of the things Wi h. w hwith a lot of horror movies is the practical effects. They've done are ahorrifying and being the really Di broly creative Asto. I didn't have theaccess to to kind of fill in the GAPO. No, even nowadays, even nowadays, thestuff they do to get practical shots. It's really cool yeah 'cause, it's so much arder. It reallyis so much harder and it it's not to totally. You know, crap all overdigital art I mean digil. Art Is Amazing. You get some people that spenda tone of time and makes Tup look incredible, but it's just so mucheasier than praancal stuff in sobackin Tha Onan have the access toan. You areforced to use the practical studnt. It not only usually looks better, but youcan appreciate it more beause you're, like wow this person really like I,this scene had to be redone. They had to find a new arm toif. I might get alittle weird. I think the reason one of the big reasons that practical effectslook so much better is because fluids are really hard to model realistically.So, like the bloodspraying, it's very obvious when that's not real because itlooks off, and so when they have just like ubhose and it's just spurting, youknow red gatorate everywhere it looks much more, even if you're like no onehas that much blood in their entire body so like Wat but is moving in arealistic way like it was sprang out of something. So so I think for fluids andparticles, practical effects, L it'll be a very long time. I think Forcji cancommitmin that sort of random pattern in a realistic way but Teg, but as faras Zombs, I'm just thinking of Zombiland Zambiladsuch, a good movieisaidso Ro. Would you consider that horror comedy? I would call that horrorcomedy. I would also maybe kind of Sli that end under horror, satires yeah.Well, it's always a e been done to death so, like I feel like a lot oftheir a lot of their scariness. has kind of been theyve become the sort ofpast plot device now, but I thought one of the more interesting taks when itwas Izambi. I had not seen that, but I knowit was pretty decent. It was alittle little kitche, but th th. The plot is this: Girl becomes hiombeingrigh and when she eats a brain, she orr nemers o that person. So she goes towork for the police and works in like the corners office, and they always hadthis thing. where she's like preparing the food almost Hannibal ask theproblem is the brain they use is like peak yea like have you ever seen abrain? It's gray, it's like Sledgy, gray, nasty, it's not gummy and pink.It looks like Bubblegum ight,...

...all right, so Um. If you want to watchMorzami horror, if you want t wach t be very first zonbi movie, Nineteen Thirtytwois White Zumbi is the first one. Not a band write Saby Ezy. Yes, it is alsoa beer from Catapa ruin company, if you like, White Ale and SA 's, a good one.If you want, if you prefer your zombies fast as opposed o slow, I remenlonetwenty eight days later. Are they are they technically dead? In that one Imean are real se, I realize for all antens F purposes, Onbi film, but arethose actually corpses in that one or are they just infected? You know. I'veonly seen it once in was about ten years ago. I couldn't tell Yo, but Iremember liking it and then, if you want more of these Zmbi Voodoo, Irecommend West caravens the servant and the Rainbow. I gotto see that a coupleof years Aho it was pretty interesting. Why do you make tot uh want to say it's ninety three?Something like that, but yeth the serpent, an the rainbow. You guys readyto talk about or comedy Sno e Wee di dark star next darksar Ye nineteen, a D,seventy four. So if you are unfamiliar with Darkstar, this is a film by JonCarpenter and Dano' bannet Oi. It was a Trop, Yep, Um and Um. I I chose this one for a couple ofreasons. One Joung Carpenter is my favorite horror director twoDano'Bannon took this script and rewrote it into alien, which is myfavorite fimoball time. So I think Druckstar is interesting because it didstart out as a student fhelp and when it had a Wie rver very inte when acialfects are out of this worldwhat I enjoy about it. The film when it was it wouldhave got a wider release. People didn't know what to do with it b. So I thinkthis film is an important lesson in gonramatters 'cause people did not re, could notfigure out. Is this a horror movie, or is this a comedy, and so they couldn'tfigure out whether to laugh or cry and therefore did not know what to do withthe movie, and it did not do well because of that. So if you watch the, Iborrowed the DVD from Netflex, because I still get those and if you watch the DVD, there is astar wars, style scroll that rolls before the movie, and it basically saysI ahorro comedy it's okay to laugh an gives the back story on that. Sotell me what you guys thought about dark store. First of all, why would yougive your bombs intelligence? That was just they were asking ot theywereasking to spoil AER KABLONA SMART BOMBS? You don't need your bombsto be able to. It doesn't need to have independent thought that Wasso fat. Hewas definitely like out there for me CAS. I was definitely in that in thatsame boat of being like I it's almost being funny and like I definitelylaughed a few times, but it was like it was almost like. If you just pushed ita little further, it ould be hilarious and then it would just all of a suddentake l kind of odd. Not seriousy. ECAUSE, like the whole movie, is istkind of ridiculous, but like just a turn that wasn't funny and you're waslike you're, almost like it's just it's a littleoff, the whole movie not thanthey should have just played it as a comedy, I guess Yeah Th. I think so,just because the premise is the ide that, like hey here's, this group ofpeople who shoot these bombs at planets or stars and dying SARS. What do theydo t to blow them up these huge bombs? And these are intelligent? You knowartificial, intelligent bombs and one of them mautunctions and starts tothink like hey. Why should I go and blow up Asha leav the ship like that'skind of a funny premise, and so its like yeah. You could probably build adecent comedy around that, but this was almost like. It took so many detoursaway from that where it was the pizza box. Ou Know Beach Ball Alien. That thing was Homari, it was. It wascreepy when it first stretchd, like attacking the guys, got these alienfeet and I was fully expecting him to die it', a machball with alien feet,and there is this agonizingly long like like eise between theanwhere they justlike- and this is the point of the movie that I laughed the hardest whn hewas like in the Elevator Shat. I guess hanging onon the edge an thisbeech balls like Isap t. So I think this is where t I between horror andCommondy wherewhere, I was like Ohthis ICLA was m, more intending to be comedy,Wan Hes stuck and it's Gonto explode and, like oh they're, going to findhalf of the dude in the elevator, and he just walks out with it like a skirtwith his hair cartusishly black, an very like okay, it's definitely acommenant, but what what I found the most hilarious about that was, you know.Typically, if Y, U, if you're using a beach ball, it's still like a livingcreature, but no, it was just straight of a beach ball because he shoots itwith a Trink, watshed, Dart and just POPs it right on the that's. Probablymy favorite Wan lit ther just et just moves on well, whatever aNthereis, a scene where they go into like one of like the bedrooms. I guessit is withthe Bun and Yo jus like as soon as I saw that I like this isstubecause Igo sure this is one of their dorms and there's like a coupleof bunk beds and they're all sitting...

...around just like doing standard likecollege guy things, iinger that came back in IA like they're. Just doingthese like little silly things sitting in a room and you're and you're filmingit for a little while- and I'm like this is legit just like Lil, like aproject O thanthat is but by having seen alien, you can easily see what hetook. You know claustrophotic space criosleep, just t the General Chase Osme. I generally chak the general chased events th the dinner. SCE. The dinnerscene that suspensed the nity finger- some of the shots were very similar totoo, especially like Cri ar even the idea that there is a centient robotthat has a large role to Plon e is called mother as well. Theultimately becomes the main Billin Right Oth, the movie like not evenalien. You find out it's the thisis e little Bo bad guy, that's whateverremember re. Only they had propped back the smart Bolb ut is Olv a lot out of problem gi blow up the plan. F, the aliens aron boom being banked on Um. I think that one of the other things that Ithink is interesting about this filis. It was Reay Sin Nineteen, seventy four.This is pre star wars, so dont think di. We so a couple of times, Wa supposoasking yeah. It was stor Yeh. This preste e Star Wars was seventy seven,and this is seventy four, so m space films at the time or considered beRoirong Hao, Ora Ye tely was seventy. Anything in space was still consideredvery. Very nice you're not going to see a ton of things in space and that'skind of more limited to t v because Star Trek, so I thought that wasinteresting about it to think about it. Within that context, now watching darkstar, I think it's funny, if you think of it more as a satire of Alien HM andso, and that Wa reverse Sapire Agane, admer e satire of Alien, and so becausethat was how I came to it. I'd seen alien first several times, and then Iwatched this is like okay, I get it, but you w because of h the order inwhich I watched them MHM. It made it Funnier to me and you did not have thatbenefit. If you were watching in nineteen, seventy four t was wild, a just that I had yeah. Ihad the least life Jus 'cause. I what interests me the most, what w'llprobably be able to like talk about the most is like is more on the filmsideand as far as like the filming aspect, that was, you know, definitely like EAe e Ho to learn Het Coul. Do from those Palil Fing like a pizza box like moveslowly into the screen, as as essentially as as like the space shiplike Nav, a black background and T N, it stops and then it Sumes, it's likeyou know when they turned to Sheelo S, just like Kit was fun in the context ofthe way I was watching it I enjoyed watche. Him was definitely one wher it.It was just enjoyable to watch because it's like they had clearly working witha paper thin budget APP and there theye they still manage to make a movieight.I want to say the number I read this Appeni was like six thousand bucks yeahat was Al Budget filmand. All their budget went into those Walki spaceshoeps, but I enjoyed it. It was it was sily,yeah yeah and I think just a couple of other notes.Just because I'm a big junk carpenter Fan Joun Arvrnor is very intertextual,so he likes to reuse actors. So the Alien Beach Ball, which I kept thinkingof the line from Yor Im when Mer, Gansr your hearts ad dead tomato spoth withMolbi porporal spots and Igo, fall it Lik in my head. It's like a big molbytomato with eatum, but the beachball was played by Nickcastle, who is theshipe in halwe he'si thought that was interesting. Also, you kind of get m.You kind o get a little flavor for John Carpenter's drectorial style. He stilldoes a lot of interest ing camera work. He does a lot of stuff with shadow. Heand lighting, and a Joun Carpenter often writes the music for his films,and so he actually did the the Bensonarizon no d Ata Abot, that SongYeah. I domn right, Ightso Um, so you getthese these kind of hallmarks of a young carpenter film, you know beforehe was quote unquote junk arpenter. You know I thought I just from a fanperspective. I thought that was really interesting. Also, you get a lot offocus on visual storytelling. There's, not a lot of dialogue and Jon Carpenter.Does that with his phones? A lot and the other thoughts about dark starbefore I give my recommendations for horror comedy no, but Dou have arecomnition for hor coming to Ed. I know you haven't seen: okay go for noCACKER. Devers is evl, yes, that one's on my list, but I have not seen t whichis chest: SOCs Alan Tuttick or two dik or too dyke or, however, you say thathave you gs seen the visit? No, that Shamonoi do like Imacha on, but I'mjust going to play. I'm just Goo R ORT te Ror Click from Tucker Dal versusevil M, so you Guss can get just get a fiel for he we've had a dozy other day,real desy there. We were...

...moden own business, YEP begersimprovements to my new house, the new house, when all of a sudden out ofnowhere, these kids started killing themselves all over myproperty Er pove Gon. Here he don't het first rint into the WOODCHIPPERSO, it'sit's so funny and it's it's clearly like it's a slasher, but you knowwhat's Actua you know what's happening and so ta slash, er, built Byn.Misunderstanding of of these stupid college, kids, thinking thatTuckerndale are murderer, that they're really they're, literally out there tofix up their cabin and and as the point when, when they t find out that allthese kids have been dying and Antodix characterits, like what am I supposedto do. Just tell the COP, Oh yeah, sure getro, Sir Yo ever e reminded our ownbusiness when these kids just ceen started killing themselves off herpoverty that he couldn't think of anything to saying actually says to thefaces I's. It's it's hysterical, it's verygoring, but it is so stinking funny. I highly recommendit and an taxombiwindas well for context in that Clib they are carrying Oh yeah they're, carryingout the half person who dobe to the wood shiper and cerpes ar they justlike drop the legs lke. It's very funny, one other, no about Darkstar. That Ithink is important. Dano'Bannon said after you know, Dark Stars, Um poorreception. He said about rewriting the script intoalien. If I can't make them laugh, then maybe I can make them scream so whichshe did a pretty Dinda good job. So recommendation CL POM recommendations. If you want to watchsome Horor, comedies, Um, ready or not it came out last year was Prek great,that's the one where they have to like. Oh you want me to not spoil it. It Bas,I mean it's all in the trailers. So it's not really a sboiler, but likesomeone gets someone marries into a rich family and they have this thingwhere they play games and it's hide and seak. The family is a Bord game, empiyeah, but they they have to play Heid and seek, and basically the bride hasto survive the night so m so ready or not, is really great slither by JamesGunn, Um yeah that one's really fun that's gotNathid Filian t at was the thanks really funny movie Um. If, if you are awalking dead fan, I know Gregg in the Thani kind of Popoon on walking dead.But if you are waloking dead fan, Michael Worker is in it as well mighthave provod on it, but pushe o Isi, Eing. U Coi Secooa! I got so born. Theacting is really bad, but I mean it's oplupsenjoy that you guess haven't hadthat aworrying also the whole tank thing we're moving off Yeh, but theother one I would recommend would be Jo. Sweden's original buffy o the Empiresslayer. I think it's underrated. I think it'sreally funny also say not movies wise, but if you were looking for a goodparody or good forr comedy the T v show psych this an excellent job. Theyactally do one Er Sanson, where they oy at the seventeent know. I dommuityalso had some good Halloween Din, scooby, Doo, excellent horror. Coman, Iits not not the movie light action movie, renning, the new stuff, the oldscrolling wheel, Ana Barbera, couldn't afford to CI the Classico Ye. I love all right, so the next movie we watchedwas Halloween, do Toddotod Dotot, which I've heardthat rapeal law a time before I realized it was from Halloween. Ohreally, yeah. Vines of all things had such a greatgreat score, also written by junk carpenter. But if you watch the credits,you will see it's credited to the Bowling Green Symphonic Orchestra. TheBowling Green Anfonorpi is joung. Carpenter e from Bondrehe is in fact from bowlingringtobut the that too hard of a sound Truk Iknow it it five four time which is notvery comm, wfor sure it's iconic now and now he's a genius but saying at thetime. As far as like you hear it, d you'R, just like. Oh this isstesentialllike a few ports, tisplane Bo en te e base, underlay thattue l it just itbuilds especially it's really fun to watch that one in a theater, becausethe music gets latterand latter and it's all around us oum. So fulldisclosure of Halloween is my favorite horror. Film ever Okayou might not likewhat I have to say. Oh It's a cable fight later but, like I said, you'reentitled to your PN, even if it's wrong athere's, so much that I love aboutHalloween it dethroned psycho, as my favorite hoarde ill. Never recently, Irealize that when somebody Ai People Getting stabbd Huh, I man it's it's not that I particularly enjoypeople getting stabb eth kitchen knives. It is the a Mostrin shadow is myfavorite cind of Horrorpho and Um. I I think psychodid it did it first and didit really well and Jun Carpenteris, a bigy, hitchcock fan and a mean deatshows and all so. How did you feel about Birdboxs Wirh, the monsters ofsome shadow? You literally can't see that I haven't actually seen Bh Bucksso because I I don't I don't like to...

...band wagon. I do like Sandabolok a lot,so I will watch it eventually. It was so so Halloween and alien. I had the samefeeling about them. I think they were good movies and I see how they wereinstrumental in what they did, but I think I would it would have been betterif I saw them before. I knew anything about them because both in Halloweenand an alien there's, a th, the there's a big portion where not a lot happens and because I know what's supposed tohappen, I'm just like waiting for that to happen. So this middle part is notappealing to me and so to me, the move, both both Halloween and alien plot, alittle bit in in the beginning part before you get to the good stuff andthe good stuff is really good, but it just takes too long to get there andand if I was going in blind, I think I wouldn't it wouldn't bother me, butbecause I know that the aliens apose to Shoup and start eting people, because Iknow micomaae- is supposed to start killing people when it's not happeningand I' just waiting sitting there waiting for it to have it. It makes themiddle part feel really long. Yeah I mean. Obviously there are certain likeI just. I really appreciate watching like original movies of a certain like,like being like, you said, probably like the first classic slasher. It's Ikyou catch on all these. These huge kind of like these things that have beenmade fun of at this point. You know: L in the Horogenre, like people beingstupid and and just kind of jhuts like the way that Hor moviesdevelop. Then it being like somewhat of a pioneer of this style of doing things.It allows you to watch a little t a little bit of like Ese, 'cause ecause.Again, of course, the whole time you like to Pake this person stupid like.Why? Aren't they just looking for the one car that the Guy Stole the wholetime you tur around and a course a Parke Beinn? Halfway o the movie, yourlike Idn't, put out o o your own thing and b t, but hen you're, just like Y th.This is Kindo like the first one in the like that gets made fun of you knowtwenty thirty, forty years down the road when it's like. Okay, you keepusing this s same kind of idea, whereever Ne's super super dumb, but atthe time they needed that to create the suspense of the story at they needed tocreate that that wasn't what the movie weout. What I really liked, ind atthaught was interesting was the usage of, and this is wher as a film person.I I can watch a movie like this and just really sink my teeth into it. It'sjust all the little things that they're doing to to push their movie along,like even just just in the audio editing itself. I mean- and this issomething that that the whore movie still did this day and and Yo. I don'tknow if is's the first one to do. I right around the time where theystarted paying attention to doing stuff like this, but things like dialoge inthat movie are turned way way. wayway down and the whole purpose of that isthe people turn their t, vs up and They'e like what e they sayng, whatthey s, what they say and then sound effects come in. It's like no music kicks in or all of a sudden.What's USFIC, you know comes in and stab somebody and everything'sheightened the screens are heightened, but every time somebody talks, it'slike it sounds like ty're they're down the street and D, so at first you'resitting there like Ike, who put this together, but then it's getting you todo exactly what the night movie wants you to do and it's doing in a reallycreative way, which is exactly what mean a thing oth. It was we crinked,then volume up and the next time somebody died. We were like I stoppd and I'm like Git on you movieand well done here. I am, however, many years later and you're still gettingwelone of the things I found really interesting is just the way that it wasshot a lot of the times it just felt like you were looking over yourshoulder, you're looking over somebody else's shore, whish Kindo added tosuper. That's that's a signature, joun carpenter thing and those are things again from afilming perspective. You got to look at thit like at least the area of time,where you were piring pioneering stuff like that, because there were shotsleft for I mean like kind of excruciating shots where you're likeokay, they are like twelve houses down and we're still just watching them, butou. It's exactly what you said. It's it's and it starts the movie off thatway with a Po v came right, which is, I believe, one of the first times that Haever been done. IFINOMAS BIK. I say I don't know for a certain, but thatsounds right. It's it was its one of these. These things. Where it', youdon't even realize it's Pov at the beginning of it you're KINDOF, justmoving around as the camera, and even as if you are now hi wre. We haveplenty of technology to moving around cameras as much as we want. We want tocreate long shots. That kind of just speaks to more Um, just jo SOM, higher level of difficultywhen you can create a longer shot and it increates more realism, and so itdoes this right off the Bak. It's really long cut where it's t eeds a pobwhere you're moving around the house, and then you eventually make an en tothe house, and this one you don't know who you are rightigh and Somebodyh's,never seen it before. I just assumed hat this one. I was already the big bagslasher and in reality it it cuts back at the end and spoile alertit. If it'sa little kid Ma kills his sister Um and- and it keeps that theme the whole timeto Wor wher. You get those long extended shots, even though it hasn'tbeen doing Pov. You start to feel like you're, Michael Myers sitting therearound the corner, watching these girls walk twelve housing, it own and you're,like all right, like I M, I'm starting to get sucked into it a little bit,even though the first few times are like. Why are we still in the shope andont hear anybody there's no sound effect that you're just you're justsitting here watching these? You know...

...these kids, but then o okay, I'msitting here watching these kids like an explanation as to why Michael Hookedon to Lorie Er that come later so two years ago, atMagnili, which is a academic conference on my Grad School Siten University m,hosted in Charlotte. I actually did a presentation on the nature of cannon inthe Halloween series, so I aoi five mor time on it yeah I it's so really. My myquestion is which there's a really great floa Shark, that Paste magazineput out and it is like. So how do you like your Hallowee? You Know Islike,you start with the original memillion lobs oright rigtoms obby is its owncatecording, it's a son section of the diagram but like and it's notevenconnected to any of the other flow charts. But s like one two three andthen it's one to resurrection, Gh Twentyei ye actually and then it's oneto the new one. So sowe were to show some background. John Carpenter did notwant to do any SELS, NTO hallowee. What he wanted to do was to create,like an anthology film series, which is one of the third one. Is that rightright? So the studio pushed him to do too, and so he did too, but then threehe wasn't actually really involved with three, but it was more of his originalvision of doing like an anthology series. Titled Halloween and all of thefilms occur at Helloween, but did not necessarily have anything to do withMicael, bires or Lorystrog, and the third one was about, and now I know allthis, because I watch a yetor channel. That count kills. So I actually knowlike the plot of all of these horror movies and who dies, but the third oneis like a toy manufacturing company is giving out masks that turn kids intobugs. Basically, basically, it's supposed tobe a ses, SAM, Sam Weiner, San Wain or, however, you say solemn Sallin. I'veheard a few different pronunciations, but the M it's supposed it'seffectively virtual and Itsthese areritualisticsacrifices, and so all the kids wearing these hallowee bests ar part of thesacrifice. Theythey did m. So so I tel NSWER that question it depends on whichversion of Halloween that you ascribes you 'cause lar is related to him inOneof Hemg in two it's revealed that Larie isactually his sister M, and so he basically he's after trying to you,know, kill his other sister. If you go watch the twenty eighteen halloween detlike I, I love the original. I I really love helling too, but I think the onlyone I love as much as the original is the one that came out twenty eighteenhalloween forty years later, and the reason why I love that one is becauseit visually PAS Omagh to every other halloween fill ever made, whilesimultaneously ignoring all their content. I just think that is super interestingbecause you don't have to have watched all seven other Halloween films to nowto understand anything. That's going on in the twenty eighteen halloween.There's you get those same kinds of like Pov shots from Mikael Myers youget Um. You can see kids running around in silver, shamrock Halloween, masks, m.you've got some of the same shots like the kill. Shots are mirrored in in someway. Larie and Michael, get inverted in different ways and different shots, andI so for me, as I'm a cinemotography person, that's fifty percent of thereason I love John Carpenter is Thi cinematotraphy, the directors of of thenew Hodin Ju t it was. It was a lot letter to junk harpenter. Basically,and I I just really enjoyed watching everything about it. An e Fo Jasonbefore we move on good LE'St, move onto Silan, yeah y and just do it before wemove on. If you do like a serial killer, slashers nightmare on ELM street, but wes cravenis, is Good Friday. The thirteenth is interesting. I can't say what I thinkabout that one without spoiling for you. I think that one is the original, atleast is. Is He only what I've seen, but I think it's worth watching tothink about it Asit's an inversion of a another horror of film that I reallylove and I'l Yeah I'll live it at that. But Halloween started a lot of thesetrips UH Gregg said if you're a topples girl, you're going to die so joun carpenter and deberhill did saythat they didn't seek out to create that truck. It happened because these kids, theother'e screwing around and they are very distracted and not payingattention to what's going on around them and that's why they die it's not amother Hav I shink. What it is is that serial killor naturally have NippleMagi compresses, so as soon as We'e free the at they're, like Bo. U O Eodthey're Bor, all for different reasons: Yon The top yea at As sons assoon as as soon as as soon as you free the NEP. This is, it was teaching us alesson: keep the NIP covered and yo'll live longer. Male and female NTIM OMONtakes ther shirt off. They GOBOB BOB lost it too. So you know Oragebo, okay,so silence of the lambs reco Ninety one...

...onfats about sience of the lams. It isthe only horror film to Ever Win Best Picture at the Oscars. It's alsoimportant to note tha that year it actually swept the big five categoriesat the Oscars, which I I learned that today Bot thatw's really interesting.One of th believe that would be be screen play best picture best. Actorand actress, I think, is the Tho say, and then I don't know what the fift oneis. So if somebody else will have to help me out with Allane so size lambs.This is for you esensus Tange, onts time to test me. I ate his lever with some father beamsand a nice Yentii can't see she ant in a star without having anone in my head. So what was first experience with thismovie? I was packing up in my softhwere year in college, Getting Ready to gohome and I had. I had T at TAT TIME TO L DVD O. I was just like size, the land,it's a classic I'll watch it. So I watched it while I was packing lke.That was really good, so I actually watched it for the first time as Wekinand Wa, you thing a mind, Bo O. DO IT Gret? What was your first experience,the Sou Otheman, I love so the lamb. I I tended to break favorite movies Nin invest movies, in my opinion, into different categories, and I've alwayshad servs of land amongst the top and dialogue most any movie. I've seen justbecause I mean, and usually when you talk about dialogue, it's T', it'sdirectly, relly intoacting it', just like Howas the acting job like wasn'tdelinvered well, and so you have thisamazing Berormance by Bedvaster ors,a Joty Foesa, Jon Fosterand Um, a Anthony Hockin Hopkins Ri. When I firstwatched it it, it was, after a long time of being really afraid to watch it. I don't even know the year, but I justremember being like everybody saying this, isn't one of like he's, one ofthe creeviost people in thin history, n everything, and I had heard so muchabout him. N, I loved movie movies, and so I was like all right, grend you'rejust going to have to do it and I was in it never really freaked me out,although I thought they did such a mean. I love the o o the SI, really good, Hcouple of notes. THIS IS BASE ONA book by Thomas Ers S, Coll, bread, dragon heits, atrilogy of books, s a Red Dragon was the first book Salao Lam. Second, oneBridddragon also have you seen the movie? No, this is the only one ofthose I've seen in th inthetegy, so I might do a hot teg right here. Sidednewy, anditak T it's it's a much less acclained movie, but I like Red Dragon,better interest, lamb, okay, so if ye Goe not rogh, I I definitely see whythis was up for the best picture nomination. It's just as I felt it's really good. Some of thethings I noticed today watching it that I had not noticed previously Um, isthat when someone is talking m, the focus the camera focuses in on thatperson and they're the only person in the shot and the more in depth. Theconversation gets the closer sumyes. It is only my third time seeing the film Iwatched it last year for the first time, just because I'm like Oh wow, this isthe only horror fi'll. The ever win best picture. I kindo WANTTA, take alook at that: Seryeah yeah, absolutely Um, one othe thing: I something rekeptte plot real quick on. I briefly regot the plot for anyone hasn't seen it SresLyeahiejudy Foster, is on a case she just Jodi foster man ut. Maybe Ishouldn't do this e, her txamin c Raz Yea Arlin, hery Starler, so she goes upto. She goes up to Handibal Lecter and she's like Yre DII. No, so IILY! I, ifyou haven't watched this movie, the movie's, actually not about HannibalLector, and what not do it so res? There's a serial killer, um calledBuffalo Bill. He caus himself buffalo bill a hes like and gining women, N,Leves, Deon of the really nasty stuff and and he's leaving a lot of signs,and so this this young, investigator Clari Starling, goes and thinks it'd begood. I need to go and talk to to hand Alector to see if he can shed somelight on what he might be doing and virsially everybody tells her she'scrazy and it's just amazing. So the majority of the movie is about him,giving her advice on how she can find this serial killer. So it's so you'regetting two seriol killers, both menacing and disgusting, in their ownway, Hanibal being a cannibal which he eats the people he kills afterwards andhe kinda has this pretentious like I'm better than everybody vive about him,and this is why he kind of feels the need to be able to kill people. It'sit's. Not It's not motivated in being ninherently crazy, like he doesn't comeacross 'cause he's very well spoken, he's very calm. This is actually likeone of the coolest first scenes when...

...you see him is she's walking down this,this isle of Insane Murderers and it's getting more and more crazy hut, onetime after the next er, the next she's this next one and the next one andthey're getting sow insane and t she gets the th last cell and it's it'sHannibal lector and he's standing there all calm and is Anthony Hopkins andhe's super superkind and he's really respectful and they have his dialoge,then you're, just like like I just want to sit down and talk to this guy too,and he totally draws a mob of and there and then and then by the end, you know,he's breaking and you now noce what like spoilers ahead, but he's breakingout and he's eating people and and cutting them open and aning. Okay, move!You got me, but I mean meeting people. What else is there it's incredible tome, and especiallylike that 'cause they? They always talk about how good of a psychologist he isand t there's like the one inmeat that does something really nasty and there'sjust like ecrazy rude to clarise and then the next time she comes back, thatinmade is dead and yeah. He just killed himself and what happened with HanimalWis, just whispering to him all night. Yea thatwasthat is so something that I thought wasinteresting about him as a villain. Is that Um? What makes him scary is not that heeats people, it's that he he's a psychologist and he gets in your head,anthat's, the scary partum. So I one of the things I one of thereasons I think this this did better at the ascars than a lot of other porterfilms do. Is that it's more disturbing than a horrified? The focus is notnecessarily on the Gore, though there is some really disturbing anddisgusting images in this fill it's it's. It's a it's kind of like aiconic psychological horror, film, because the horror is in your head.It's very cerebal, unlike a lot of slash, which you know some slasheswould h, will have some interesting subtext. But you know if you're justwatching a lot of slashers, it's just like. Oh Yeah, you e just gon to gochop up. Some choeleaders 'cause, your nipple raders UN grazy, whereas this one was very much aboutmind, games and about you know the the horer of the human condition, 'cause,there's no super natural murderer, it's just crazy evil, peoplerigt t it's notthat he's super strong or that he um is possessed or anything like that he'sjust a downright evil guy and he een people and that terrianes a thesegeniusnutures yeah it wis, so smart AAST. That makes him terrified when yourlikeevery every scene he's in he's almost like he's, he tricking you isYouor aw by the end you're like Oh, I should go talk to Hannibal and he'dprobably gave some Godavice and you're like like. Maybe you should be a littlemore careful and that's that's the whole tension at the movies building?Is She keeps wanting to go back to him because he is giving? I mean he'sessentially solving this case. I were and he's slowly kind of asking for alittle bit more he's like just gask you like, if they can give me some books,Af and the give me some paper to draw thing. You know and and eventuallyyou're like yeah, give it to 'em, give it to Imedia, and you don't realize inthat Mi end the movie get soon, as I Haf like, like you, were the one thatwas spoled by Handial the whole time because- and he pulls this STUNP TAT's.Like Eve at the time like when I watched, I knew t was happening, newwas going to come, but man at a time did not have seen him hase. Seen likethat, where you cut somebody's, face off and put it on your face as ifyou're the dead person like what a ridiculously menacing like moment,where you have like him. Laying there looking like like early yeah, he's he'slooking like the guard, 'cause he's got the guard space on his face and R. Likeall he's still alive, we need to rush into an ambulance and then, as theystart to realize it, I th K. I think she gets a phone call and the ambulancethat they're like you need to get out right now and then you see him lift uplike sit somein in the bed behind her and Ta stappser with the Abemos Surgere got im too well, and I think, like even at the end of the films going backto what You'ere speaking about you, get that phone conversation at the end andyou'r like as, if you're, just lo back in again atth as cut the crazy back offYeme manipulatee again An- and this is why Ian Talk A to about red drack, but hedoesn't see anis the acting line up and so red dragon is like when they catchhim at the end of so Red Dragon, and that leads into so o. The beginning ofRed Dragon is, is so redrug a is about the detective who caught it. But it'snot necessarily about his case. It's about this detective going like onanother case, but but he there is a scene, that's similar to thescience of t laneene an it's, my favorite scene in the movie and it's Um, it's the guy from fight club Mo. What'shis name Ednorednord. So ednortin is a detective and he's sitting there withwith Hannimal and he's like you know. I just thought it might be fun for you tosee. If you can catch o Kno bought you...

...the case just might be. FUNFOR YOU TOCE, you, you're smarter than the Guy I'm trying to cach and the handibl goesoh by immocation. Does that mean you're, smarter than me and he's like Kindalaugh he's like no. I know I'm not smarter than you and he goes well. Howdid you getch me and he's like you ad disadvantages? He goes disadvantages.He sidyou're Sych. What did you say and it's like it's such a great scenebecause all of a sudden and it goes to and he kind o like sobbdsaid, he looks-and it's like it's like it's sinking into him- that no matter how brilliantand talented and smart n? How much the audience can get secked into that likeEdnortan, is just like you're crazy, like he's literally like you're you'reinsane. Oh that's what he says. He says t t you're insane hees Tet ty advantage.I had is hat you're insane and you're, like Oh l, Ke. We have to keep this inmine and it's almost like when you play a villain to have such a a good motive.Almost like Li e. We can take Fanos Caus, e's BN, the Modern Day reveardvillain is being like won. You can really sympathize with him and it'slike you can sit. U You e hand. Obviously you watch that til H, yeah there you go Blik n Aflt it you cansympathize with them, but then you're drawn out of that to realize OK, butdissolution can't be to go like murder, everybody thet like like so and it it'sdone. I think it does it in in this movie. Again, it's done in Red Dragon,but it's the same feel tit's happening in sounds silence where you know you'regetting so drawn into how Gouo like he just seems so good. You know he seems,and- and you want to have conversations because even the way he talks is sointelligent and he's helping you with these things, but then you're like yyou're insing, like you JS Li e IIS, like just just reminding you like, likethat you think you're better than everybody and you're sitting over here.I think tha be the beginning. SCEME in in Reddragin is him. You know,essentially not it isn'tnt get o spoil a movie butlike he, he he he murders, somebody because they were bad, an an orchestra,but he loves going to watch this ORCANSTR N There's one player, who's,bad and then, and then he has the orpasshoover and infeeds them food andlike what is this he's like? You wouldn't believe me. If I told you- and you know it's presumablyt the badPlaye, R, th overship and so h, he has this kind of sense of superiority over all these people intohave that seem where Andorns, just like Europsychopath like like you're Youreyou're insane, is like I's so Humblin and I loved it so much lke stuck it tohim and I'm just like he's, fo dangerousdangerous allright, W we're an hour and twentyminutes, and so just just a conal box. Yeh. The silence of the lambs M. Ithink there's an interesting like kind of sub dynamic, going on in the filmwith some of the things at chlorie's faces as a woman where, like she walksinto the guy who's, the the main dude at the asylum and he he basically likeflirts with her and she's like Oh, no, no, no, we're not here to do that and then you've got you have the dynamic ofU Scotlands character, her lirbetter terminology, commanding officer, wherethe way that he says he says something like Ol, not not in front of the ladyor whatever, and and and she she called them on it and she's, like the men,follow your lead. You can't do that to me because they're going to treat medifferently- and I you know, if they're going to treat me differently, thatthat this isn't going to work and even later in the helicopter when he says no,we couldn't have done this without you nobody's going to forget thatespecially not me and like it seems like she's she's, doing like the Brunof the work she's getting Hannibal to tell her all these things, but she'snot getting the credit for it, and I think I think there's there is acertain dynamic that I identified with as a woman, because I've had thathappened to me before that. I thought it s. It was important to see that playout. U. I also really appreciated the positive portrayal of a southern person,because I'm a southern person and I get exhausted people acting like we don't wear shoesor we don't have all our teeth and so on the Civiliz a d I meanlike such asouthern l, her accids, yes- and I was so angry when I found out JodieFosteris from California again. This is, this is contrinr allover Akin Atwe said earlier, so I'll be abocylop happen want to be in the south. If you want to watch otherpsychological thrillers, psychlogical, horror, fums psycho is kind of the veniconic classic one, and I would also say the M invisible man. The WS cameout this year with Elizbith Moss Fan, friggin tast everyyagh fallen withDenzil Washington, H V. I am really behind I ih didn'tsell movies, so thatone's really interesting, I don't want to spoil the ending 'cause ihead. Ithas an amazing ending, but the general plot is Denzil tracksdown the cerial killer, who his calling card was, he would eat serial with abunch of sugar in it. It was a weird Pollin Card anyways. He he goes to thisguy's execution and the guy basically tells him up me back and the CEROKILLIK getsmurdered and then a couple of day murdered. He gets he getin ekil Te. Hegets exuted and and then a couple you...

...know like a week later, someone elsegets murdered and g. The same. Calling cart is left like he's an a copycatkiller. What's going on and it turns out that it's actually this is not asoiler 'cause. It's revealed pretty early in the movie. It's actually. Thisdemon named a Zasel that can jump from body to body, so it's kind of asupernatural, psychological and so then they'll trying to figure out. How do Ibeat this demon that can possess anyone and the reason he latches Ontotnzellis'cause? For some reason he can't possess tenzo. So it's rellyinteresting it plods a little bit in the middle. It's a LITTL, little slowin the middle, but hopebolly the ending is phenomean. I think John Goodman's init too, but na the ending is is, is a ride. Jun, it's fun to watching a horse,and that came out in Nixe two thousand and six, I want to say sec S. Caraga came out around that timetoo, which was secrer window Johnny do Ah Yeah Yeah. It wasn't e Yetoso.Before we move on, I really did enjoy the movie, but one of the things I wasrealizing as I was watching. It is um just how many things that I've enjoyedthat it's actually was like a precurse or two um like one of the two showsthat I've watched a lot of really enjoye the show criminal mines, whichis very much along the same lines, but the one that I was really seeing.Parallell too, is I watched h. The blacklests with James Vader whileback,which is essentially is a female agent. A guy walks in turns himself in he'snot a cannibal or anything, but he is like Sii Tad and yeah. Actually, Ithink, there's an episode really early on where they sent him. He sends herafter a chanitalistic sereal cover that's kind of the plot of the show,and I was just like: Okay Welyeah, that's seeing where that came from yeahyeah and I've. I've been told the Hannibal T V, seriesis very, very good,but I have not watched it myself. Btia M Miss Mads Micdleson. I was ustwhosses, mage, Nilesinner Ston Star run one of thise guys who has a Norwegiandouble wetter, nom y M maginmeztemicles yeah he's supposed to be very good.Mattie mixes Tanscoen. I've got here just a couple of other things. I justwanted to talk about within the Hor Genra in general. Ga some filmrecommendations, ve got a couple of director recommendation, but I alsokind of wanded to touch on like some of the those offo questions that horrorfilms, just in general, make me ask in the window, see what you guys thoughtabout them. I lent you hit US real, real, quick, just like run down thelist for film and Direct Recommendation Aay and the we can jump into thoseriefly all right all right. So if you want to see kids getting scared todeath, I recommend a lot of Stephen King's work, so it and I don't carewhich version you watch. I like both and stand by me, Ta y Mesa Ta by me. It's as on a stepenKing's short story called the body, and I it's. I wouldn't say that it's onehundred percent for Ruzbut is a great film, but they there ise somedefinitely scary things in there like these are four kids going to go fiht todead body and that's really scary, Um and then wat UN him all El. Then then you've also got keeper.SOTHER was character. Who Was Oh? I did watch a horror movie with me forSutherland yourors. I was the e immediately think of the lost boy whichis he was in some. I saw my neighbor I saw it was don't remember why I watched. I think Iwatched it because keeper se was in Itas like right, ut. I was coming rightoff o twenty four and he's a security guard and there's some haunted mirrorin the warehouse he's he's washing in and his wife gets murdered, 'causeshe's taking a bath and then in the mirror. Her Mirror reflection startslike pulling her jaw apart and literally, like rips her jaw apart inreal life, and then it ends wit. I think it ends Wuph on sodenly gettingtrapped in the mirror. I don't know it was pretty Grizzly asupernatural horror,Um, probably two of the best hereditary which came out a couple of years ago,which I'm going to talk a little more about Eriasters, the director of BathThon in a minute, and then nineteen, seventy seven Susperia by oh theDarriarraz. I it made me the visuals in that film really made me love it MinbyaTe Ganadori Orgento did you watch the remart? Yes, I hate it, but actually my my one of my cowritersover at Fangerlish Jasmin. She and I we last year we did an article togethercalled the table Tosispereas, because I love the original and did not enjoy thenew one and she did not enjoy the original and she loved the new ones. Soif you want to read that you can look that up at Sanbrwish, dcom foundfootage kind of the iconic one, for that is the blar whitch project, fullor e Lik, a five dollar budget, miright right right and that that's tell a lotof these horror, folms folkhorror m, the wicker man O and Nineteen andseventy three ovabes no watch the NIACH regin hot parbage, and then I eer on a soo and in midsummer by areaster as wellAyes that came out last year and m the...

...there are four mhorror movies that Iwill never watch again. Two of them are Ariasters, but they're great greatthoughs, a possession movie. The exercist is the scariest movie. I'veever seen. T often is called the scerious movie of all time, and itdefinitely earns that name again, one of those I'll, never watch, Asidbi,horror, alien and that's my favorite movie of all time. How Dod you feelabout the seeples like the Um, Alien Aliens, Ilien three I like aliens, butI think they're, two different genrous kind, O moved more towards action. Yeah.I didn't really care for Alien Three Alien. Four was OK, but still not great.I don't mind the prequels actually, my introduction to the whole alienfranchises. I saw promethius first, which was really interesting for me tothen go back and watch alien and realize oh promethea's, really nearoredalien a lot. That's really interesting. If you want to do just a moster movie,I'm ro going to go back. Look at those universal monster films, but I think ifyou the best one of those, is the Wolfman with Launcheni the junior thatone really holds up and the the make up effects they did that were actuallyreally monumental for the time and just his acting, though, is really whatmakes that film still work today, body horror, pretty much anything by DavidCronenberg, rabid, videodrome scanners. The main reason I ligh on Efon thething is, is definitely true that I never thought about that as botdyhorror. I think of that one still is like Scifi, four or two but yeah. It isdefinitely lot mor SEF. But the reason I like Davi Kornimberg is while hisfilms like, if you are sensitive to Gore and disgusting things, do notwatch them, but I heard I have a good time it. It's not there for the sake ofbeing disgusting, it actually serves a narrative function within the story andI think that's really interesting. ECAUSE, not a lot of people do thathorrorsent, horrse, atire, scream by west craven, cabining the woods byJossweden the dead don't die by Gimjarmush is a love letter toZonbihorror, and I said the naked Zombi from the night living devil come back,Niaga Butzabi, so that lady, it shows up again as a Nikabutzabi and the deaddond. It's the same actress as an Old Lady Co he's very old and te put Mikaoo naked butsomb. She shots up in the dead, Dome Dier, but I I saw the deaddo dike twice in the theater and Ihiha laughthough the whole thing. So peopledon't know what to do with that film. But it's it's a love letter does otehorror, and I appreciate that on that level, also point out that again, Iknow a lot more about horror m than I should from how many horror films I wela is because the channel I watche talks about the behind the scenes and thehistory and so learned a lot of that. But screem really changed the Genrettein a big way. CAUSESCREEM was very irreverent and self referential andkind of deconstructive ofhorror films intentionally and then a lot of filmsfor a while tried to do that, but didn't quite understand. Rawy screamworked ightand even screem had sequels that were of Vari. I've only seen thefirst Oneso, but I I I watched it before. I had seen a lot of horrormovies. I still recognized some of the stuff they were trying to do, and thenI watched it a couple of years ago when it was at the Earsley grand and Iappreciated n complete different level. Having watched a lot more horrorfhomesin between those times to that was really fun. The two best new horrordirectors that are making movies right now or Ari, aster the's, the guy whodid hereditary in midsummer and Jordan pe a Osawhich. What a wild swing forhim. I go from sketch comedy to crazy horror, yeah he um. What I appreciateabout both of them is that they both understand the genre. I read somethingabout Ariaster not too long ago, where he, he se just m. He so he's likethirty five as a kid. He rented basically rented every single horrormove in the two video stores in his area, and it shows because, if youdon't have to know anything about horror movies, to watch and enjoy hismovies just as films. But if you do you're like oh my gosh, this soundediting is from the Texas chaintall massace tat shot is from Hallowee thlike midsummer is kind of like the Wickr, like the nineteen. Seventy threeChristopher Le Wickerman on steroids, Mo no godness toe Bei O my Gosh I' Gin have to enter up for a second.Apparently there is water pouring out of the hood over our stove at our house,so ioh no emergency, Exi Forgeti, my Gosh, you have fun oky Os. I work. Whyis the water above your stone? My Gosh, F Jason. I'm sorry said lot.My friend GE luck with that odd speed, God, speed, Bot, a man go, speaksbetter. A yeah talk about horror, my goodness but yea, the Od Ooyeah Ariaster Um isjust he's so knowledgeable about the Horrogenra and he plhe pays visualOmagh to the Horigonera and every single thing he makes whilesimultaneously creating an original story that is se superterrifying th hiscinemotography, basically solidified whi. I will watch every single film hemakes...

...because he does these. He does theseshots where it's a fixed shot. You're not moving nothing's happening in theshot, but something scary is about to happen, and it just holds that tensionerer and feel tracped, and he or he does like these long hanting like slow,Pan, outshots and then suddenly as you're, getting with a upbigger pictureof what's actually going on in the background or Liknoa, then your stumpis he's a great great great graker. Are you a vocal porror movie watcher? I amwhat I watch this my my my buddy and I its kind of hardthing now to go, see his poles together and she will like grab my arm and I'llbe like and then they're, multiple F, bomps, iamor less of the scary expetan morelike nohe, Hin behond, the door o Wat. You Dongno no know so much of that atleast like if I'm in a theater B, I'll definitely jump or you know, make like a ridiculous, sound,so Butyen, Ariaster, Greatgr director, someone who I feel like does somethingsimilar and yet different, ish, Jordan, peal. And when I really love aboutJordan Ppeil again, he demonstrates just how knowledgeable he is not onlyof horror but of also science fiction. Mas Well, side fiction plays a hugeroll in his films. I took over the Toi yeah and you know honestly some peoplerag on it, but I don't think they're understanding what he's trying to doand.I I just really appreciate his his cinematic work so with M with GeorgaPeel. Not only is he doing that same kind of thing where he is payingOmashall, the other things within the Genre F, his cinemotography isfantastic. I thinka us is a wonderful recommend, l example of that, but alsohe offers social commentary in a way that is more palatable than some other people would wouldthink Um. I think us, I think getout. Does that really? Well it I mean it's acommentary on Ugenex. It may me think of LKE HENRIETTA LAX MHM IF, if you'venot seen it cick out- but I think us is- is more poignant in that, like I saw usthree times in the theater, and it took me the third time seeing it where itwasn't about me trying to figure out the logistics of how the thei as haversus who was in the position of power- and that blew my mind and then so, I'mwatching it again. Im Gosh and like catching all these littletiny things, it's so good. His his films are really worth rewatching justto get those little tiny details downpad. So those are the two newhorrid directors. I would really recommend you guys got time to talk aminut about thelisopial, stuff, witherwith knnoweres. So I think partof the reason I like Oror, there's there's a couple of different things. Iread an n article, a while back it was shortly after it Chacke or two came outthere. There's been studies done that people who have experienced trauma insome way, especially like as children, gravitate to the horrorgenre, be itlike in fill or book form because it helps them to process their own promand one of the things Um. I really love about it. US ephen King's it you know,regardless of which version you watch. I think I think the newer version doesthis a little better where the scary thing is not petywise. What is scary isthe adults are working out their childhood trauma and Penny. Wises N isthe physical manifestation of that trauma, but the scary part is themfacing down the things as adults that were traumatizing foven as children,and I I think that is just an interesting thing that I don't thinkyou can do that with a lot of other films, because Horroris the only Generathat really takes evil. Realistically it looks it Evel for what it is. It'sits bad, it's Almol like and like even like superharo films to a degree, and Ilove supergirl to like yeah th y. They face evil, but evil is usually defeatedby the end. The Horror Genra, you don't always defeat people at thand,sometimes ewil, defeats you and and Gosh. Is that not the real world? I also am not a biggest fan and n.There are exceptions to that Caus I did enjoy Dav dead or Nilin dead, but ingeneral I like the good guys to win in the end. Even if is I'm okay with itbeing a puric victory. I'm I' I'm okay with that. In fact, I'd rather havethat, where it's a victory, that costs B that had a tremendous cost, becauseyeah good still one but bicame it a price, because when the bagguys man I'mjust like well, why did I bother watching a this? What happens in reallife a lot of times or it feels like what haven ' to El? Like a lot of times,I get enough of that so wh N. I want my fiction to be a little more. We TalkeBout, this sthing star, track on e fiction to be a little more optimisticrightand. I think it just comes ounto. Why you're watching BRINGLIN WHITE? Areyou a movie Washer with? Why do you enjoy these things? And you aresomebody who is exorbing stories and just wants to watch something that theyunderstand and relate to? I think you can get drawn to horror a lot, becauseit's more relatable incertain Genresofhor can be anway more relatablethan than silly. You know romantic comedies or o things like that or superair movies. They can carry with I a lot...

...more realism and his weight, but alsoyou have people that really enjoy it like, like you said you probably go andwatch a movie, because you want to hear an entertaining story and for you theidea that, like the good person wins, is, is part of the entertainment partof the excitement and so there's something missing for you when you goand try to enjoy a story which is essentially what movies are they'rejust stories being told. I think we also have this idea that there has tobe ultimate justice at the end of everything. So if a story in a small iyreflects that it feels satisfyied, and I, if there's no ultimate justice, thenit feels unsatisfying anaway, 'causes liold. They just got away with that.That's not just he a seen gone girl. I have not. I Ha't listened to that itle withoutthinking it's like a Sassy Teenag. It's gonger like at the end of that movie,you'll, just amaico, say anything about it at you will be like throwing thingsthrough windows. Yah Rian watched that one and told me thatI would not like it and for Yo k w some of the content and yeah and Ik okay- and I I knew enoughabout it to know like this- is probably not going to be a movie. That's goingto be very too it's justthe ultimant! No Justice is served movie and you'reright. I mean like the Mo, isn't even a horror movie y? U N W it's just it's asuspense drama criminal! You know movie and it is very graphic, but the endingis just it's for the sheer purpose of the movie. That leaves you with a senseof injustice, which I think there's a place TBAT. Ijust don't actively Shur I but B T, but I think one of the things horrid shownwas due that other films do in part, but j worcoms do in whole. is they kindof mean on you're subconscious to to elicit feelings, mostly fear? So, likethe descent h ve, you ever seen imagery from the decend it's like. If you'RClastrophovic, you will be terrified during that Mon, so it kind of the theymeen on these primal things. Whe hasn't seen shapes in the closet and in thedark and en like well. This is how I die, so I think wor movies in a waythat other genres hants in certain ways, because we tend to push that stuff tothe BACKCA seit's, not constant. So hore movies tend to tend to touch oncertain emotional responses that other movies don't usually go to N. no, thereare definitel movies that do go to those places, but usually that's Nuk, apart of it not the whole of it and e the hoar Ti. That's t overarching goalis to kind of trigger a pomal response and get in that. Maybe not the whordcomedy so much andimean and again not to lump all whor int the same categoryjust experienced to his bouges. There are so many different Jamas of Hor, butI think primarily, horror. Hars harps away more on the visuals olike. Whatyou're seeing and it's funny when you come out of film school. I know a lotof friends coming out of HILN school that typically nd when you want to be adirector. Those typically are the first movies at anybody like you. Look at anydirector nowadays go watch them Lih like like, follow their history back towhen they were either in the school or just getting out of school, and I canalmost guarantee the first thing they try to do is make some forr moviemhmbecause. All these things that you learn like okay, Yo, O Gonto, learneverything there is to know about lighting like what kind of lighting candays what message? Okay, everything you know about audio! I think they get allthese things, but essentially they're, not creative writers. Yet, like they'velearned, everything t at there is about film and they have all this knowledge,but they haven't created creative stories yet and a horror platform in acanvas is so so ready for all of those tricks. ECAUSE, you can just go. I wantto make somebody feel this way. So, let's, U use the lighting in this way.I want to do this, so let's use the audio this way and it doesn'tnecessarily if you don't need to have all this knowledge on derating acompelling story or like a really interesting dialogue, and it can kindajust be like there's going to be be a guy walking around we'll, say, he'scrazy and he's just trying to kill people, but let's make the reallyreally interesting, talented part, be how we go about filming this kind oflike silly scenari and I be alo well unexplained. You don't have to explaina whole lot. Lijust be like well clear: it's not Arinkite e. You don't need togo in different, explain and you don't have to be. You can be a little oventguard with how you're filming it, because in a horror movie, if thefilming is a little weird, then that doesn't throw it off like if theavengers is all filled, t et Dutch angles and like crazy camera thingsgoing on m like whatwhy, O takeway, this marble movie weeird, but in aHormonion, I'm like Whoa, wasn't expecting that well and I think HarryAstn on feeling great examples of doing that. An I think, Erri asked her too.Like Y. U now I talked more about how Georga peell does a lot of socialcommentary with his work. One, the neglecte omison Bo Ari Aster- is thatwhile his fills are absolutely terrifying, there is. There is anunderlying story. N, they ask a question at the end. L E hereditary'squestion is: Can I escape my family trauma or is it hereditary? Midsummeris about a girl who it it's a breakup movie, but it's also her trying to findher place in the world. Her family, like she's, trying to find a familyshe' pretty rough way to break up wit, SOM Ye, O Wel, pretty iggressive breakup Y. AH, the breakup is is something...

...is, is a different aspect. Her story istoofol by the way Florence Pew, I have seen her in three different movies andshe plays three completely different roles: Tan those she is like the NixMerrl street she's amazing joins a cult in midsummer and then she's paged Abou,a professional wrestler in fighting with my family and then she's, amy,Marchand little women, Soshe, just so so different M, but she she'sincredible in Tisuner. Also like again. This is where I get grumpy about theacademy for a few different reasons, but Tony Colette deserv an Oscar forher performance in in hereditary and Lupita Nuango. She deserved an Oscernomfor us and neither one were even nominated and I'Wam just like. Are youkidding me Yo? Let Mother N? Yes, she was. You know, of course: Oh yeah she's,the mother, but she's. Also like her Doppogaer, I'm just watching her dothis transition. Apparently she lies it. She appare from the beak. She say:There's some behind Setoo, Oy, rirector and she's keeping that voice that so dothis soon, like this thats dedication, no, she she is amazing, just reallyunderrated, so th those would be. Those two directors would be the two. I wouldreally come into you if you want to watch a really solid, modern horror,mhbut keep the lights on Apershire. Also, when we were watchingHalloweend, there were commercials which re Ges O. I could see im on a big. I can seeit in a big screen setting ive seen on the big screen twice ye I was, I couldsay, in a big sweet setting being scarier and that such a beautifullyshotfilm half the budget of that films spent on Panevision ca cameras, thebudget for Halloween, Houand, nine Hundre d, venty eight was thirt threehundred thousand dollars hundred and fifty thousand of that went to thesepanivision cameras, so it shot in two thirty five one, the other big lyingoutem in the budget was Donald Pleasant's. Salary whowhich is twentythousand an Toms Yeah Otas, not in the no m. Our one of our pastors is Dongalpleasant. A dopalgaer was like lagit Ya, sob yeah, a final thoughts on horror.Guys, definitely respect it more. I mean not that I didn't respect it forI'm just not as super into it, but I, I think, understanding all the differentsubgenres. It's like. Oh, when I hear horror, I I don't think I really Idon't my mind- doesn't usually go to SIC theland and a alien. You know: L Ke,it's more on Li e, the modern day kind of like Gore born you would likewherei'm just like. I can't do the torture porn. I I Ithink some of the stories behind those puns are interesting, but I just can'twatch her first SOT, not a bad movie. I I ionl e other ones. I can't watch itjust I would say the perch fills or likethat I've actually only seen the purge preqol. That came, U Il Se Yeah.Basically, I was like wow. This is a really compelling story, but I I can'twatch people be torrtured. Oh Yeah, I'm don't see, got horridmovies. I wash a couple a handful and y? U Know a good Movie'is, a good movieright, even if you don't if you're like. Well, I didn't like the horror aspectsof it. You can appreciate a good movie for being te movie, especially ifyou're thinking about a Philmography, symmatography dialogue, audio design,those sorts of things. But for me I I really enjoy horror games, which Ididn't think I would because I I don't care at all for horror movies. I didnot think I was going to enjoy horror games, but I ened up getting reallyinto them. I really enjoyed so I started with liepaying five nights atFreddings, which is just jump scares and at a certain point it just becomesannoying you like pleasmeat the level, but then I play this game called H,Amnesia, the dark, descent and thiss this. This team has made several gamesthat are all very similar and they mea this one called Soma. That was reallyinteresting, not that scary, but really interesting, but th the whole thingabout Amesia. Is You can't look at the monsters or you start to go crazy soand they're attracting to light? So when the monsters come bowling around,you have to go hide in the corner in the dark, as you're going Insayne andyou're like whimpering, and you can hear the monsters like plodding aroundand Kno when you see them you're Likenso, that was it was it was. Itfelt I felt the tension and the fear and the anxiety in a way that poormovies just didn't. Do It for me, so I really enjoyed playing the Hor again insmall bursts yeah. So so I I think, Horror Games. I think it's a reallygood medium for horror, because you're the one controlling the events, becauseyou're the one who has to more or less take responsibility for the charactermakes a stupid decision. It's your fault, so I think it I think it has. Ithink tha interactivity is, is what made it click for me yeah. I I I'venever really played anymore games. I do remember being in like fifth gradebeing at a buddy's house, and she had like a Sigo Satur thout, o some vampirevame that we played for that one and that freted me out O. I cil not tell you the name of thatgame. I have to Google ite later, but I remember being particularly freaked outby like the cut scenes and that in that game, Grg Orlanning orgins, I haven'tGotte into a whole lot of 'em Um back...

...back in the day you know the orange boxyeah like like the there, was a compc game before that called blue shift,which is one of like I think, theg. The way they came was set up as that it wasthe same storyline but the different games. You were playing different roleslike one of the yeah scientists, one of them. You were one of like the militaryguys coming into to stop the it's essentially like, like a scienceexperiment. T goes wrong and there these these things that are created,theyre eating people, kind, O like Al Resedant, evil, the Bobut BlueShiftyouor, a security guard on Chivar lder and s name's Calhoun, Oh yourcountain and Aryou're. Like starts off you're just getting in this little lake.You know this little shuttle and it like kind of goes forward, and then itgoes down into the into like the Science Bay or whatever, but it's veryslow like getting started, and it just even as a kid I was. I was nervousplaying it because it just slowly built slowly, both slowly belt and like yeah,is the closest to AFO. Ah, no halflike definitely have some horror elements init and, of course, I've played rest evil which they're so campy thatthey're silly, but there's definitely some good scares an resten Mabel I'vebeen told the the new alien of the Newish Al Isolationi Close Mer ago. IsI s supposed to be rally. Yeah I've seen a little bit. I E watched my myfriend's husband PLA, the little WIP of it at one time, and she was only videojetn h h had a good few good junt scares out of it. That was pretty fun so so, for me, Horror Games are more. II I find them easier to access than horror movieswell, I don't mind a goodhord comedy I got over my sometime when I was doing biology. Doing disections Igot overgore, I don't I don't seek it out, but it doesn't bother me for themost part I stuff I've never been at, like. I had trouble with Luke Cage, not LoCage, Um Jessica Jones when he has to she has to put the needle under- and I was like I I hate ice stuff and I loveyeaharight, sowho yeah. Sorry, relying today go thank you for coming actual awesomehelittle more thaut a worror. So when should we do the athlly correct,insathe episodethe one wll Ti ook like a friends episode the one where atullyrebutts everything on wher Ashnas riht? They are wrong, FFOR, those not in the no greg, and Ibecame friends after we argued about star wars for an hour in our friendskitchen, for at a Halloween Party t ye actually thinks the latst jude was agood movie. So the last Yais, my favorite star, was movie for AC a duperhot, take yeawhos down into that. I don't for es time, yeah oor, no roun this out.Gregworkcan people find you. You Find Me Onface Book at chapter, one films oremail me Greg at chapter. One Films Stog this Ashl Al Right. You can followme on facebook at facebook, dtcom slash the nerdy blogger or you can tweak meon twitter at the nerdy blogger or you cand follow my writing on Fngerlish atFangerlish Com. I have a column that Irite every week Coldway back Wednesday,where I review one rifro film each week, O o watch demolition man. So you can find me at Holy Golam. You canfind the show at dearly debated the SNTITER or email US duly debated at gML tcom. So until next time we'll see e all RTRISLTENS and shivers down yourspine. SREECOWILL Shun your so Seaou donnight to Carleten Bing with Sunsu SGREENCH,hell, Sha gensanr an surprise. When you hear these onr.

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