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Episode 8 · 2 years ago

Episode 8 - THE BOATs (Best Of All Time)

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're talkin the best of all time! Greg's ghost haunts our best movies ever quizdown! Nathanael grabs the flagon with the dragon, Jason is the hero we need, and frequently recurring special guest Ashley Thomas is hiding in the air vents!

What does everything I have to be so complicated? If you want something bad, you have to fight for it. Step up your game, Scott, break out the l word lesbian, the other l word lesbians. It's love. Scott, wasn't trying to trick you, Ramona, I need to tell you something. Yeah, I have something I have to tell you too. Great listen. I know you play mysterious and aloof just to avoid getting hurt, and I know you have reasons for not wanting to talk about your past, and I want you to know I don't care about any of that stuff, because I'm in lesbians with you. What I really really mean it we are sex and we're here to make you think about death and get sad and stuff is stupid stereou. Welcome fated, the PODCAST, where you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong, as Ashley will remind me, and drake, we are joined once again by special guest, Ashley. Thomas. Greg died at the end of the last episode of know if you heard that. So we're working on resuscitating his boy buddy. We got a space rock that has radiation in it and we're hoping that's gonna solve everything. So hopefully next week he'll be back. You know, it's on a little longer orders, but you know what, we can live with that also joining us back back again. Moderator. Jason. How's your house? My house is doing better. Yeah, with the leak. was really bad that night and it hasn't happened since, so we're getting to look that. That's good. We did confirm that is because your house is haunted. Oh okay, well, I mean just if worst case scenario with Greg I think we could clamb it. Yeah, okay, yeah, but is it an evil clone? I don't know. How many many chloreans do we have? That's not how the force works, I know. All right. Well, today we have a special, a very special, fun episode for you guys. But first, this week in history, maybe for the week of June, no, July, July, Sixth July, six in one thousand nine hundred and twenty eight, the first all talking motion picture lights of New York. Premiers. People were a little bit surprised when street light started talking, but an advancing technologies, an advanced technology, they discontinue that after they started, you know, harassing people who are just walking down the streets. That is why you don't see it today anyways. But but if you know the first recorded did that, if you know that famous line from, I think it's taxi driver, that famous line was actually copied from one of the street legs that they used to say if you leaned up against it the street that would just say hey, I'm shining in. That got adapted. So that did actually end up carrying on it to Comon parlance. One thousand nine hundred and thirty three MLB host hosted the first all star game. People had mixed reactions because it did end up just being the the New York mets versus the cast of smash mouth. So Shrek fans were delighted, but you know, mixed reactions. And then in two thousand and six, and this is a true story, I mean all of these were true to some extent, and two thousand and six the coke Coliformula was stolen by employees who tried to sell them to Pepsi, and then Pepsi contacted the FBI and busted the three employees and the Pepsi represented was quoted as saying snitches get stitches. Of course. All right, so took me a second to get the smash mouth. I was thinking about my first time. One of my best friends from high school loves out in Lincoln Nebraska, and I drove out to go spend some time with her with a couple of other friends and we got stuck in traffic going through St Louis because they were hosting the MLB all star game. In the Gosh, that was two thousand and eight when we did that, two thousand and nine. All right, so for today we're talking about the greatest movies of all time. The goats. Well, okay, our favorite movie. The votes. The foats the favorite of all time. The toads the top of all time. You know, however you want to phrase it, we're talking about our personal five favorite movies, and we did get Greg's, but we're not going to just reveal them and just kind of run down a list. Instead, I have compiled the lists I had. Everyone sent me their list and I included mine, and then I got clips from each one of the movies and I'm going to play the clip and then you two are going to and you can buzzing at any time during the clip, except for it's if it's on your list. Okay, you buzz in. You tell me what the movie is and, for an extra point, whose list is it on? So I'm gonna, you know, play these in random order and you can keep score at home and see if you do better than either of our, either our guests here. So let's start with an easy one. A quiet place to...

...even never come back. I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request. Means No. I feel like I should know what that is, but it's not coming forth from my brain. Jacon, want to tell us what that's from? That is from pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, first of the Black Pearl indeed, and that was on Jason's list, so he wasn't allowed to chime in on that one. That's probably been like fifteen years since I've watched that. All Right, here's what? Here's another one. It's my parents. Oh, there's she is. Hi, sweetheart, Hey, there true the dude. How's your first day on the force? It was real great. Yeah, everything you ever hoped MMM, absolutely, and more. Everyone's so nice and I feel like I'm really making a different cranch. Bonny, look at that. Oh by sweet heaven, do you are you beat her made? Oh this, no, I know what it is. Yeah, all right, buzz in, guys say it at the same time. Sure, three too, and I think that's on the things list, is it not? It is, it is indeed, so be. My guess is I'll give you both points for that. Yeah, yes, that is utopia. Always, we forgot to cut talk about pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's fun to us. Yeah, that's okay. So let's rewind remireds of the Caribbean curse the Black Pearl. Yeah, well, the reason I put it on my list, and it's kind of the same for all these basically, when I was thinking about my favorite movies of all time, I wasn't going greatest cinematic masterpieces. Ever, it's the movies that I just go back and watch over and over and over again, and I think for pirates, the thing that really gets me is it's a really fun story. The main character is kind of a trickster. They've tried to pull it off over and over again since then. Apparently they're getting ready to do it again with a new cast. They haven't quite been able to do it yet, but it's just a overall, just a really fun movie that I'd find myself going back to over and over again, and the score is awesome. I listened to the soundtrack a lot. You get any either? You guys have anything to say on it? I thought it was great movie that one of my little sisters didn't like it, and it was one of those things where they watched it and said, I didn't really like that, and I was shocked, like how did you not like that? It was like it was a good movie sequels. You kind of a roller coaster down down on hill, or I guess less a roller coaster, because it wasn't like a climb to the peak. It was just like going down a hill. There were some good moments in like a couple of them, but overall it was as a steep, steep downhill. Yeah, after after about the second one, you know, this is getting alto hot. Yeah, how can I do this? This is outrageous. It's on fair and I think it was. They managed to do like a fantasy element into kind of like a more fun historical piece, you know really well. Yeah, and if for some reason it's just one I end up watching all the time. Yeah, yeah, and I think we agreed, Greg and I agreed that it kind of went downhill when they focus more on the supernatural element and less than a liarity element, which was like people watched it because pirates. Yeah, yeah, they they made pirates screen again. Well, that and they just over and over again. We're like how what kind of undead pirate can we introduce in this next movie? Yeah, it's like how many different kinds of undead are? It's right, I wish I know. First sounds for your sound. I know, I know, but like you should pull some use this movie list and pull some clips from yeah, I think I have. I just haven't had time to sit down and I mean I've got like twenty sounds on here, but you know, yeah, this is where the fun of it is. I never get tired of them. All right, anything to ADD ON PIRATES? Actually, no great film. I was really impressed that they could take something as absurd as a Disney world ride and turn it into a movie that was actually pretty fun. So, I mean, I don't think the haunted mansion was nearly a successful but I haven't seen that either. So we'll see how they do with jungle cruise whenever that kind of way. Oh well, and I think part of it is the Romanticism about pirates, right, even though pirates were not great, there is there is something exciting and fantastical about, you know, roaming the room, you know sailing the season and being, you know, basically a anarchist free spirit, MMM, and just kind of overlooking the raping and pillaging and murdering. I do think one of the fun things about the first movie is it does explore it's like Jack, who is the pirate, is not really you know, he's a character that you follow, is a protagonist, but he's not really somebody to look up to. Well and good. The the other two lead characters, will and Elizabeth, they never really fully come around. They're like, okay, there's some fun, there's some good things here, but overall we still need to live on the what I was going to say about it was I thought it if the that the dichotomy that's proposed within the film...

...is very interesting. Is You can be a he's a pirate, but he's a good thing. that. Yeah, and and part of the reason that you know, Jack Sparrow becomes a pirate is because he he's freeing slaves, like the the the good the cargo he was supposed to take and were slaves so I think that's super interesting that he gets this renown as this infamous pirate, but it's because he the stolen cargo, quote unquote. But yeah, humans, seems like humans ain't ain't cargo mate or whatever, whatever the line is. I said. I think that's although the later, later installments deluded that a little bit. What was like, Oh, his dad's one of the pirate king, so of course he's a fire now. Well, that's dispoint. Yeah, as I don't. I know I've seen one in two. I can't remember if I saw three or not. Again, they progressively went down hill. Yeah, so, and I don't. And I think for ticked back up a little bit, but still this relative, the one still stepped out and say I never saw the other ones. So I would agree. And then every time Jack Sparrow meet someone they're like Jack Sparrow little course I know it's me. I do like that affectation and at first I thought, you know, I can't ask side whether it's sparrow. I can't decide whether it's just johnny depp being Johnny Depp or whether it's the same affectation that Gene Hackman took you on in Billy Wonka where he does the the flip things, like no one knows whether I'm telling the truth, are lying? which did he really do that in Charlie of the chocolate factory when he was Willie Wonka in that right? So Zootopia, I absolutely obviously saw my top five right movies of all time. I can't get over how good it is. Like so, when I saw the trailers, and I think the trailers they're most of the movies that I saw that were amazing, I think the trailers let him down and I'm I think it's okay because that you see the trailer you're like, okay, that at that's a fine movie. Then you go and you watch it, like who it was so good, because so I was just expecting, you know, another decent Disney movie about anthropomorphic animals. That'll be fun. Oh, she's a cop, that's fun, in the sloth scene, which is hysterical, but that was the in the trailer, right. But I was just blown away with how good it was. It's a brilliant film. That's there's so many layers. It's like actually good social commentary that makes you stop and think, and so many good puns and the chemistry between Judy and nick is so good right. And that's one where a lot of times when I watch Disney movies I'm like and they're like, oh, we're doing a sequel. I'm just like, they're this didn't need a sequel. I would. I would be okay if they did a utopia sequel and we got to see judy and nick actually being cops. Like yeah, Parker, I be awesome. Yeah, so I'm hoping that happens. I mean if frozen got a sequel, so utopia deserves equel. And just the the references to to Disney movies where they meet Alan Tudek as Duke Wesselton weaze. It's Weaselton, and if you look at all the movies that he has lined up on his tip, on his table, they actually had Moana and frozen to but but like animal names. So looks like float salt to and pig hero six I and the Godfather seen, which is y the Oh my God, I love that movie. So every single scene is just fantastic. That scene I played, I was literally clipping it and just laughing, histerical, and also the longer part where the people in the other apartment are yelling and like she's trying her best. Don't worry, tomorrow be you'll still have tomorrow. What happened? I could be worse. It's I love that movie. It's so good, I think. I think it's the platonic ideal of a children's movie. Right. It's great for kids and it's great for adults and it works on a lot of different levels. So it is just you can look at us just a fun kids movie, but you can also look at it as a complex adult movie as well, and so everyone can enjoy it and it's got clever writing. It doesn't rely on dumb humor, which I hate it when kids movies relied on humor. And like you can kids enjoy Zootopia. You weren't leaning on Shrek, the poop jokes in the Fart Trinks, and yes, kids love that, but you can make it more complex because the adults who have to take them have to see that movie too. So Ah, I love them. Yeah, that's what I definitely need to watch again. Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen that one as well. But Fun, Fun Zootopia Related Story. Maybe. Gosh, to two years ago. Yeah, two years ago I went to a con with some some friends and I. You know, if anybody talks to me for more than five seconds, you will know that I have this massive girl crush on Gwynlin Christie because she's my hero. She plays my favorite character Al Fiction, which is brain of tarth. But I always I so I I because she's my favorite actress. I follow all her work and so I really loved a show she was in called top of the lake, China girl years ago, and I in that show she plays a rookie cop. Well, so that weekend I was like all my costumes, we're going to do, you know, do all Gwen costumes. So I the first day we...

...were there, I dressed as Gwen's character from that show, Miranda Hill Morrison. I had two different people in completely different scenarios asked me if I was Judy hops because you know, for I know I've got a pretty big voice, but I am five foot three. Would Alain Christie's six foot three and therefore funny rabbit or you know. Well, I didn't also hope that you were wearing the ears. I you know, I wasn't wearing the ears, which is the thing I could and her characters a smoker. So I had like a pack of cigarette and my best pocket. I was carrying around a cigarette all day. Will you were I threally jaded version of job. So basically, what I decided to do is like, you know what, I'm just gonna get some bunny ears and next con will just, you know, will recycle this costume I gave Miranda Fil marrison one day and then and then like put some bunny ears and like tie like a fluffy cotton tail on my butt and I can be Judy hops, I mean to costumes for the price of one. Hey, you know what, I kind of spent a lot of money to putting them at together. I think goes and I think. I think Ryan could pull off a nick the Fox. I definitely could. That would be really fun. Okay, now we have to do that. Right, right, does not like to wear costumes as much as I do. Another thing's utopia did amazingly well was the facial expressions they animated. They made everyone so expressive. The when Judy basically locks nick down with the whole tax thing, Nick's face of just shock and horror is I love that movie. I could go on for hours about that. So let's move on to the next clip. It's two to two, okay. And what do you want me to do? You just want me to hit you this one face? Why? Why? I don't know. Why. I don't know. Never been a fight, you know. But that's a good thing. No, it is not. How much can you know about yourself? Never been in fight? I don't want to die without any scars. It's come on, hit before I lose my nerve. God, I'm assuming crazy. I was gonna say I'm assuming fight club. Yes, it is fight club. Well, I will say that there's a bit of a cheat here, because we were over at Greg's house just the other day and he was hanging up a fight club poster. I guess would be Greg as well. Yeahs, I have never seen fight club. Same Sadly, I have seen the movie and read the book. Oh, okay, that's I will say the the movie does a very good job following the book. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Chuck Pala Knock. He's a very good writer, but his books are all really depressing, yeah, and dark. So I but fight club is a really good book and what's really interesting is the movies ending is completely one hundred and eighty from the book. The movie falls the book almost verbatim right up until the end, and you guys mind me spoiling a very old movies book. I mean, I think I kind of already know the the ending, but I will defer to Jason on that one. I'm fine with that. Okay, well, okay. So the big twist is that so ed, what's his name, Ed Norton's character, and Brad Pitt's character, whose names I can't remember, even though I've watched the movie and read the book. Brad Pitt's character in that scene, you know, they say they get in a fight and they basically start this fight club. The first rule of fight clubs you don't talk about fight club and all that stuff. That's that's flown into pop culture. But it turns out of the in the movie you find out that he's just associative identity disorder, that Brad Pitt and Ed Norton, Norton, are the same person right, and that Brad Pitt is like essentially his evil side that he's been repressing. In the book. What happens is the girl that that Ed Norton is in love with Brad Pitt's like we got to get rid of her cause she's holding us back. and Ed Norton, and I could be misremembering exactly the motivations, but Ed Norton basically shoots himself in the face to try to take them both out and it's a surviving and and Brad Pitt goes away. And in the book, I was in the movie, they then blow up a bunch of banks and basically raise everyone's financial debt and it's kind of a happy ending. In the book it cuts to a norrange character in the hospital and he's like Brad Pitt's gone, but then everyone who comes and visit him is like we're waiting for you to come back, or like the whole cult that he that Brad Pitt had built up, is just like he keeps hearing whispers of we're waiting for you to come back or waiting for you to come back. So it's an ambiguous ending of did he actually get rid of Brad Pitt? HMM, and the movie was just like no happy ending. So it's really interesting difference there to see the just the end of everything else was almost like completely identical. That's wow and I apologize for not being able to remember the names, except for the names of the actors. You know, this is the point in the podcast where those who are listening are yelling at us because, yeah, Hey, hey, you need to correct us, because I'm not going to look this up. If you want to correct us, send us an email dearly debated at gmailcom or tweet me at dearly debated. So yeah, come at me, Bro and or prosephine. Let's go to the next one. This is cats us. He would have wanted you to have it. That's the strength to Samurai be with you always cut them. Look on the shorewet Tong...

Kuche. I mean, no, notch this case. You know, I don't. He hoped with his last breath that you would remember the ancestors who held this sword and what they died for. Buzz, I just go to guess, because I haven't seen this movie, but I think it's the last Samurai. You are correct, and I think that's yours, isn't it? It is not. Oh No, it's Gregson. It is Greg's. It is the last Samurai. Remember what you said that? I would like to have either of you watched that film? No, you have not, so I haven't watched this. Don't either. So, Hey, if you watch the Last Samurai and I'll will get Gregg to talk about it next time next week. If you if you have strong feelings about the last Samurai, good or bad, let us know. So let's move on, right. Yeah, there are a couple of breaks that I'd like. I haven't seen this movie. You might need these. You think you're the only people who've bought to come here. Hey, fellows, is even black and white. Where's that wind coming from? We're in a basement. Buzz. This is this is one of Jason's favorites. In it is also one of my favorites too, but it's not on my list. into the spider verse. In the spiders correct, and you say it's on Jason's list. Yes, that is correct. Yeah, yeah, I know, those really hard to guess. Jason is basically Peter Parker. Yeah, for all intents and purposes. All right, let's finish out the clip. Yeah, I think it's great. This could literally not get any weirder. It can get weird. I just wash my hands. That's why they're wed, no other reason. I love until this Jason into the spider rifs. Well, you said earlier your favorite character and all fiction is Brienne of tarth. Mine is spider man, Peter Parker. We kind of agreed on this. We're doing this. We're going to leave out all of the mcu movies, all of Star Wars, because, you know, I don't think we talked about star wars enough on this podcast yet. But I mean, I'm Oh, did I not? For did I never remember to plug it? Last shot, he's a terrible movie. Last and Ashley, need to plug it. Last it as a good movie. And you know what, this is the podcast. We're entitled your opinion, even if you're wrong. I know. Yeah, percent of the Star Wars fans, I don't think it's that high. I think this is a really loud minority. Well, we can all agree, Rizal skywalker was terrible. Yes, none of us like that, so divisive. But rise of skyrocker united everyone in the rise of Skywalker, reuniting star Yes, not quite in the way they were hoping, but we are. Yes, exactly. You know, people, people flipped off, flip flopped on a Jett. Rise of Jedi, rise last Jedi, but right, skywalker universally anyway. Tell us about into the spar backed into the spider verse. I absolutely love spider man. The movie was basically written as a love letter to the character and to people like me who love the character. There's so many little things like throughout that just Easter eggs and things that I really enjoyed. But I mean it was just a really good movie overall. I mean the animation was groundbreaking. There's so many cool things. It felt like you were watching a comic book come to life, and they were not afraid to lean into that, you know, one hundred and twenty percent, which I think it's part of what made it so good. All these little details, every universe having its own animation style, the way that they even just use like thought bubbles and things appearing on screen just to highlight miles anxiety. There's all these little tiny details on artistic choices that just I absolutely adore. I really enjoyed the the themes of the movie as well, where it's you know, everyone can be a hero and they don't have to, you know, completely conform to a certain notion or certain way of doing things. To do that, you need to the constant theme of you have to get back up. You have to get back up, the relationship between miles and his family, the relationship to petty forms with this kind of surrogate family of spider people. It's just I could go on and I could do an episode one to do an episode on just spider man, for sure, right, I mean, but I think into there's so much you could say about into the spiderverse. When I I I love into the spiderver so much I saw it four times in the movie theater and there are four different spots throughout the film where I ugly cry every single time, no matter how many times I've seen it. And I know I say I ugly cry a lot and movies I do, but I legit like full on sobbing because the way that film moves me as a...

...lifelong superhero film, Superhero Fan. I would argue it was sad because it was one of Stanley's last cameos, the first one after you passed away to make shown, but I think it was actually one of his best. I guess it was like his personality one hundred percent right. You got the love of the characters, you got the wit, you got the fact that he was always the salesman, all in like two lines. Right. It was just it was just fantastic. Well, and and you know the first time I saw it I was like, you know, because that it's you'll, Stanley had just passed right right before I got to see the movie, and so I you know, kind of took me aback even just to see him in an animated form. But the line, you know, it always fits, eventually just sends me into Psalms and and then a smirk when it pants over to the sun as like Oh, I'm sobbing, Oh, and then I'm laughing again within two seconds, but it's still it. I mean, what I love the most about that film it is, ultimately what it means. What does it mean to be a hero, and I think that's what makes it a the best superhero fan I ever made. The other thing I really liked about it is the version Peter B Parker is one of is probably about the closest to my favorite version of spider man, which is the version written by Jay Michael Strezinski, where he's older, he's married. It actually allowed the character to mature a little bit. Yeah, like I said, I could talk about that forever. That's he's telling it's like, oh, yeah, it's the same for me at but it's showing the clips of what is actually like it's crying right. Well, wearing the spiders. It's I've been working out and begets stops. But you know, it also touches themes of growing up right, Huh, of not just realizing that your heroes aren't who you think they are, in terms of the spider man, Michael, Michael Peter B Parker, yeah, being kind of a he's let himself go. He just he gave up on life, and but also his uncle he looks up to, turning out to be this crazy villain, the prowler. Yeah, that I could rum thing. Yeah, want to see the Predator, like it's not different movie? Yeah, I'm sure marble's done a Predator comic at some point. Probably also look that up. Yeah, but what another another fun fact is that is the character that Donald Glover is. I spected to say. Yeah, Laren. Oh, then then the new one, home coming. Yeah, he made a weapons dealer. Yeah, Oh, Cam, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah. So, yeah, all kinds of fun and just Nick Cage Spider man wirter. I think he takes the movies cube like I'm gonna solve this, and then they show what the credits, that he solved it. Well, I mean Nick Cage was just being nick cage, and right, there's their few places worth it better than it was. It was so perfect. Yeah, the wind. But ready, you know something, something you said, Jason. Really it caught me in a whole new way about that film, as many times as I've seen it. But the the point you made about anybody, you know, can be a hero, and I think it's interesting that you say that and you have like five iterations of spider man. Yeah, who are very different in that film, and so like, yeah, anyone can wear the mask. It's not just these five heroes, but they're at the same time they're all very, very, very, very different in how, you know, they go about they have like similar kinds of backstories. You know, they have the tragedy that pushes them into this heroic loner position, but at the same time they all lean into their own strengths and I think that's really interesting. And also the villain is complex. Yeah, I can't bring this whole motivation is that he wants to see his family but then realizing that it's his actions that push them away. Right. Yeah, I thought it was great. Yeah, just everything about it is fantastic and and then, of course, at the very, very, very very end when they finally pay homage to the best spider man, the s cartoon. Yes, that might be. That s cartoon me, might be my favorite meme series of all time. Oh, yeah, just there's yeah, there's so much there. Those are great names, I think. Yeah, that's all rights to yeah, so spider verse just right movie. So let's move on to the next one. People break down into two groups when the experience something lucky. Group number one. See, it is more than luck one. The coincidence? Well, I know this is on Greg'slist. Yeah, it's Gregslist. Signs. HMM. Yeah, you got that before I did. Yeah, and it was also on your lips, also on my list. I just use the clip you sent me because the audio was really weird. That's yeah, I don't yeah, and I tried to find another clip of that and I couldn't find the same clips. I just went with the Clip Creig sent me. As much as and I disagree about the last Jedi, we actually agree on a lot of other movies and signs is one of them. Yeah, signs, right. I also have actually watched the whole thing. That was that's when I had not seen until right after we met Greg Yeah, his first movie nights were got us all together. Yeah, yeah, we all watch signs together and that was the first time I'd seen it since high school. I watched it again today just to have it...

...fresh in my mind because it had been a little while. We watched a lot of Shamal on that that summer. You know what, I'm not upset about he's one of my favorites. So you guys talked about the movie. I have an anecdote tangential to M my Shamalan. Okay, go ahead, all right, all right, I'm gonna let you take the lead because I've only ever seen it one time. Okay. Well, so when I was a senior in high school, my senior year, fall, fall semester. My it is going to say so much about the small town I grew up in. But up the school I went to was maybe thirty, five, forty years old at the time and they had to cancel school for just over a month because we had a very severe mold problem and we had a lot of kids getting sick so on. But because I was in the marching band, we had practice all day on Tuesdays and Thursdays while school was out. But on Monday, Wednesday Friday, I'm home all day and, depending on who woke up first, me, you're my sister, one of us would, you know, take control of the TV with the DVD player attached to it, and I had like two movies that I've pretty much watched to repeat during that time, and one was signs. Signs became for me like it was kind of it kind of gave me a little taster for the horror genre, even though it's more of like a sci fi thriller, but it has like these little jump scares. But it also I really enjoy it when my films do more than entertain me, and signs asks philosophical questions that I think are really interesting and important, especially as as a Christian. So for me, the clip that I I chose is probably my favorite line in any movie ever. Swear Merril, who's played by Joaquin Phoenix, talking to the army recruiter and the army recruiter recognizes that he was this Minor League Baseball Star and he's like, Dude, you know you you have like the home run record. You've got at least two right. He's like yeah, I've actually got five and and then he gets called out by this other guy who's there and he says, yeah, the other record Merril has is the is the strikeout record. And he asked, you know, why aren't you playing in the majors? Means like well, that's why. The only thing Merril has to say, and wrote in reply to that, is it felt wrong not to swing. And that's I mean, if you know me like I don't like to do things halfway, and and so that that line just it resonates deeply with me because when I would play baseball or softball in gym class or whatever I would, I would swing it pretty much everything too, but it just because it felt wrong not to do that. And it feels wrong not too, for me not to give everything that I do my best effort. And so that that line has kind of really just sunk deep into me and internally it kind of internalized that. But also kind of the joke we have as I have a very loud singing voice and so when I sing, people in three or four rows up from me at church will be all like, oh yeah, Ashley's back there, I can hear. So for me it also feels wrong not to sing for a few different reasons stuff. But yeah, that just on a philosophical level. I think that's just a such a fascinating film and, you know, watching it again today it just hit me in a completely different way, just and not just the clip that you played that Greg picked out, but the the scene when they're in the hiding out from that from the aliens and what's the son's name? Morgan? Morgan has the asthma attack and they don't have his medicine and so Graham is trying to walk him through like some breathing exercises, get him to calm down. And in that scene it's so it's multilayered. Is He's trying to get Morgan to to breathe with him and he's, you know, the breathing together, but Morgan, excuse me, Graham is also working through his pain at the death of his wife and his anger at God. It just hit me in a completely different way. Just cried, Craig. Well, you know what's one of the things that's great about that? The moment you were talking about where he says if it feels wrong about the swing, they get to pay that off later on in the film. It's one of the best moments with some swing away. I think one of the coolest things for me was watching liking main character, Morgan Mark Graham Graham, and his struggle with his faith and then seeing, you know, at the end of the movie where it comes back and his faith has been restored through this really crazy ordeal and all these things in this struggle he's gone through with his family. It's just it's really great to watch that progress. Yeah, yeah, I think one of the things that I did not recognize when I was watching this film in high school that I recognize now is it has these markers of things that I tend to enjoy in film as a monster and shadow excuse. It has really great cinematography. If I'm reading about it, is like one of the reason in night chose to do so many like shadow shots with the aliens or whatever, is because they couldn't get the CGI they really wanted. They couldn't, you know, the the costume would still look like a guy at a rubber suit, and so you get these really neat shots where he uses reflection and you get these...

...pov shots from the alien, especially that one shot where is that final glass of water so great. It just all these markers of things I really enjoy in films, you know, Great Cinematography, the monster and shadows, my favorite thing in a horror film, and I would argue that if he had gotten the CGI you wanted, the movie would not have aged in nearly as well. Advance a two thou two and it still looks great, led to much better cinematic choices. Oh Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and again we've harped on practical effects before in this podcast, but I think that's Um, that's just such a just a great example of and it's also a really great example of show don't tell, because so much of that story is visually told. I could talk for hours about all the cool things that in night does, but that film is what made me an Amni Fan, even though he's not done as well in recent every although I did really enjoy glass and split, you know, I felt like he but he came back a little bit with those. Yeah, I agree. I agree, and we'll have to get greg back and do an MNI episode. Yeah, I need time, not left a single and night shamalan movie. So, but I know all the twists because it is well but okay, so here's my shit of given. Okay, so, back in the day, I don't think any sats anymore, there was a video gaming theme channel G Four, and and I believe this was on attack of the show, and they would have little skits and things, and one time they were doing a jokey skit about m night Shamalan. And so you know it's M my Shamalan and he's directing as the guy in front of polls. Like all right, and this scene you've just seen the monster and so action guys. H Huh, the monster's right there. Cut, cut, cut, cut cut. Okay, I want you to scream it again, but whisper it, guys. Just like that, go perfect. And then it goes over one of the camera guys that comes over to the the what do they call it, where the food services crept the service table and opens a pizza box and it's just filled with lettuce and he looks at at my show on and Mons on just goes twist. But but speaking of of lines, I think that film has some of the funniest m night lines ever. Like he all yeah, because he always puts himself in his movies. Well, well, well, just or not, just him, per see, because the character he plays is in that particular film is not funny but just lines of dialog and m night movies not necessarily hit the director's lines himself whenever he came he is. There were some I'm just like wow, this is so dead Pan and hilarious. I like I don't think I truly one hundred percent appreciated it when I was in high school, but I gosh, I love it now. It's aged really, really well for me. Also, I think we can agree that the summary of the happening is whoa not the tree. That was. That's like the one m night film I really don't like to happen when I have not seen, but I do appreciate. I do find it interesting that just that the alien's weaknesses water. Spoiler. Yeah, for a eighteen year old movie. Back to side and and you know it's the woking which the West thing. I can understand why, which we okay, if you're allergic to water, you die straight up. You're dead. You don't live. Nothing in the universe runs, biological can run without water, period. And the statement to which, you know, okay, the which maybe, but like okay, well, it's raining. will she has to live in the desert because if she lives in Seattle or London, she's Dead Day One. Right, aliens come to and this is that sort of the bacteria a thing that kind of made sense, for you could have like a sterile society for more of the world's you could have a sterile society theoretically, even though bacteria are responsible for like a bacteria disappeared today, bad things would happen, right, but you could theoretically have a sterile society and they come in and or it's just, you know, they don't have a sterile society, but they can't handle whatever we're giving them. Okay, we can see that happening. But do they not have water on their planets? Apparently not. I and that was something I was thinking about today. was like the earth is you know what percentage water like? Seventy three. It's a lot of water. Yeah, it's so, and it's raining most places most of the time, and so I'm I'm curious. Is it something within water that they are particularly allergic to or what? I don't know. Yeah, it's it did not do enough research before they impact. Yeah, what's that blue stuff? I'm sure it's fine. Let's go, I don't care. It's a yeah, Oh, I don't think that knocks the film down at all. Willings because of this? Yeah, like in the moment it just doesn't matter and that that moment is a good moment in the film. So yeah, so when he takes a lot of things, when you take a step back and overanalyze and the like, will go stupid, but it doesn't actually affect moving right. So there are some things where you take a step back and you look at it like, wait a minute, that was really dumb. But yeah, okay. So next movie. What happened to cake? Stuff to him? We have to get him to the infirm it right away. What kind of thing? I need a clear def we got it in the ship. Could be inspected. You...

...know the quarantine procedure. Twenty four hours for datamination. Could die, twenty four hours. Open the hatch. Listen to me, if we break quarantine we could old. Well, wasn't that pressent? I know right as anybody know what film is. I'm believe it's alien. It is, it is, it is on from your list, absolutely from my list. That is my all time favorite movie. So and I've given my feeling on alien. I know this one. I actually have seen right and I thought it was a good movie. I thought it was very well done. I thought because I knew it was, because I knew the entire plot of the movie beforehand, it took too long for it to get to the actual good bits. I say in good bits, like the building of suspense, is well done unless you know what's supposed to happen right. So, and I think I suffered from a little bit of that because I didn't see it until a couple of years ago, right when Ashley came over to our house. I was like, you guys have got to watch this movie. Gonna Watch this movie and I'm going to make dinner, and so we made Spaghetti and Y'all didn't know why. But no, it is a really, really great movie. Again, Monster and shadow, a lot of a lot of the hallmarks of things that you enjoy. And again, one of the reasons it holds up is because monster and shadow and practical effects right, right, and the acting's really good. Yeah, just a few things I really like about it. Again, Monster and shadow. That's my thing. I was breaking it down last year. Like I said, I'm a I'm a staff writer. I had Fan Girlishcom and last October I did a month long series on different horror films and things like that, and one of the things that we did was a panel, or not a panel boo, effectively like a you know, a discussion about what are our favorite horror films and and and you know, I wrote about alien. Not only is it because it's my favorite horror movie ever, but it is here's my favorite film of all time, but it works well as a horror film for people that don't like horror films. But, I said, alien hits all the right cues for me. Monster and Shadow, incredible cinematography and the toughest nails leading lady those, of course, plates by Sigourney Weaver, donning a pair of Chuck Taylor High Tops, building a flamethrower and toting a kitty cat sidekick. There has never been a more Ashley Film Than Alien. Yeah, I think. I think it does a strong female character the way I feel strong female character should be done, which is they're not like, well, gets a woman, woman can do things. It's just like, no, she's a she's a woman and she's strong. Get over it. Yeah, she gets all kinds of ASS. Yeah, I just I really I love her portrayal. You know, there was a meme that's been circulating for about a year now, but it is this film reviewer and he said my wife's review of alien, you know, puts the shame anything ever I've ever written for the past ten years. Is like. Alien is a movie about a smart a smart lady that nobody listens to. Everyone dies except for her and her cat. Four stars. Yeah, yeah, right to the point. Yeah, so you know what that's. That's solid, pretty pretty solid review. But you know, hit's all those right cues. For me it was kind of my gateway drug really into into horror films because effectively what you have as a haunted house in space, and because it was in space, it didn't seem ass scary to me. And of course I you know, I saw prometheus first, which is really unusual for people who are watching alien films. I just love this film so much more because of how they chose it. Ridley Scott just to do the practical shots and again, the last last time we talked about, excuse me, dark star Dan o'bannon rewriting that script into alien and just now just getting to see all those visual cues that are really interesting. But yeah, if you had shown the guy in the in the rubber suit, which that's an interesting story. All pop it in. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, yeah, all on his own it would you know it? Of course it would make the film look dated. But because he's in shadow, you never really did a good look at him until the end. And all the Geiger imagery of it's just everything is, everything's wet. Listening, just like then, they use like gallons of gallons of Ky Jelly or something. It was assoline. It was like everything this is dripping and growth and SDY that. I thought that was a great touch, that it wasn't these plasticine things running around. It was these gnarly dripping right, gooey nasty like I don't want to get near it, it's going to make me unclean. Right, right, right, great, it's like you want to stay away from that, clearly. Yeah, and and and there's a couple years ago I got to be part of Another Myth Guard Movie Club discussion on alien and one of the things we talked about is that this is this is a film. I mean trigger warning, but part of the reason that makes this film so scary is that, you know, the alien, the way that it procreates is it's effectively like male rape and that scares men on a completely different level. And so that that makes it a really scary movie and I think you know, one of the one of the things I love the most about that film is...

...the infamous chess burster scene. I knew it was coming before I even you know, I saw the movie. I'd seen spaceballs. If you it would hello mom. Yeah, yeah, if you see spaceballs, the chess burster scene from aliena spoil for you and it's funny. It's mad fun of you, because you know that's John Hurt and there. But so I knew it was coming. I still jumped. But one of the fun facts about that particular scene is that none of the cast knew what was happening, except for John Hurt, and so the reaction that they get there is real. I feel like a lot of horror directors do that. They're like, Hey, you're just going to spook this person, we're not going to tell them right, and so they get a lot of real visceral reactions. Hey, so, so, yeah, I I've realized to that, like all the cool like ladies I admire, like when Christine and siggordy weaver they're all like six feet tall or taller, and I am not tall, but I want to cosplay all of them because they carry big guns or big weapons and it's feel powerful. So, Holly Wood, where's our strong short woman? I mean I would I can't even say Kara doone because she's like five foot eight. He's tall for a lady. And Judy hops, Judy hops to there we go, there we go. Cosplay all figured out. All right, all right, I just gonna get some bunny ears in a tail. And I think to say on Alien Jason, I think Ashley's covered it pretty well. Yeah, and I mean you can see the influence that it has, oh yeah, on SCI FI. And it's really interesting to look at it at the setting now, because I mean obviously back then it wasn't this way, but if you look at it now, it's almost cyberpunkish in that all the stuff on the spaceship is crt monitors right, and like Asky Code, and so it looks like a lot of people will go and do that deliberately now, but obviously it wasn't like that. But it but it keeps, but it keeps it in a weird way. It keeps it it might not modern, but it makes it the you don't, you don't. It's timeless. Yeah, yeah, it gives it a timeless feel because you're just like Oh, instead of it being put why are they using CRT monitors inspects, like it started cyberpunk and we're moving on right. So well, on age, really well, yes, I'm trying to say. Yeah. Also, you know, you get this feeling like as you're watching the movie, it's kind of like this desolate yeah station, which helps. Yeah, you know, and I think, just so some other stuff to keep in mind is Alienk comunt one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine. The main reason alien got greenl it was because Star Wars, who was so successful before then, like you know, like we talked about with dark star last time. Um, it was dark star was still pretty niche. They weren't doing a lot of movies in space and then post star wars they were all kinds of movies in space. But I would also argue that, because Ripley was actually originally written to be a man and then they end up casting sigourney, we were in the world. Yeah, would not have been a saint the same film. Know it. It would been completely different film. But the part of the reason you have these ladies like Ripley and Sarah Connor Post One thousand nine hundred and seventy seven is because you had Leia and there's there's there's a lot of different things I can say about that too, but that's that's a that's another star wars discussion for another day, for another day, for another day. All right, next clip. What are you move? What is pain? What, if will you have quit? Were loolow, we love. I think I know what it is, but I'm not one hundred percent positive because I've not seen it. No penalties if you guess wrong. I Guess Jason. I it's familiar, but I'm blanking, so go for it. Oh, I think it's rocky. It is not rock okay, but it is a sports movie. It is a sportsman. Okay, I haven't watched a lot of sports movies. It's fair. Remember the titans. It is remember the city is for my lab. Okay, that is from your list. So that is one of my favorite sports movies of all time because it's a sports movie that everyone can enjoy and if you haven't seen it, you really do need to watch it. It is just a phenomenal movie. It's funny, it's touching, it's based on a true story. It's fascinating because it takes place right as schools are being desegregated and this team of new black students who are just coming into the school and white students who have always held the status quo, and this new coach coming in, which is, for all intents and purposes, a diversity hire, and this coach saying I just love football and I'm going to make this team go here, and how he has to Hass to bring all these students together in a time where they don't play together, they just don't, and all the tension and the struggle and how they how they see each other, how the the players start to see each other as people and not as colors. And it's just and same for the white coach as well. Him Learning to respect this black man who has essentially taken what should have hidden his position. Is so good. And that's every single song from Roe the titans. It comes on like it's still remember the Titan Song, every single one. I love this movie so, so, so, so much. It's just so good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a denzel right. Yeah, Denzel's the coach. It's got Donald...

Faison as PD, the running back, who is hysterical. It's got a got a couple other couple other people of note in there. I'm blanking on. I just know Don Faisons in there because he's and scrubs and of course I know deny chils. I have not seen scrubbs. Is Great Show. I think when you watch it it's just so good and you can it has just enough football that if you're if you're in a football you'll appreciate that. But it doesn't have so much that so invictus. Okay, no idea how rugby works kind of made it hard for me to enjoy the movie to the fullest extent. Not Knowing how football works probably won't stop you from enjoying remember the titans? Okay, so that's why I think it's the best sports movie that's been made that's actually about sports. Like angels in the Outfield, is a comedy. Enjoyed them, which is a great I'd love angels in the Outfield, but I wouldn't call it ain't necessarily it's a sports adjacent move. Right. Yeah, and I'll say as someone who understands very little buf football. I watched remember the titans and enjoyed it immensely. Yeah, but it has been a long time. It definitely needs to be added to our yeah, we'll watch the well, add to the re watch was because it's just it's just a phenomenal, I'll be called a feel good movie, but there's a lot of really hard stuff in it. Yeah, and it's you know, racial tensions are still relevant today. So I would recommend it. As a reason is that? Yes, it's, but it's a phenomenal look at how to disparate groups of people overcame that essentially for the love of love. The love of the game brought them together and then it became more than that. Right, and basically how the coach breaks them. It's just phenomenal. It's Huh. Everything about the movie is just so good. We'll move on because I don't want to take up too much more time on this one. You know, I'm really surprised you don't have the jeopardy sound of board. Just pray that I died bravely, will not die. You'll not have to fight him. Grizzwold dies as he drinks the toast, but I've put a pellet of poison in one of the vessels. Which one? The one with a finger, of a pestle, the vestal with the PESCIAL gest? But you don't want the vessel with the pestle. You want the chalice from the palace. I don't want the vessel with the Pestle, I want the challenge from the what a Chalice from the palace? It's a Little Crystal Chalice with a figure of a palace, because the Chalishman the palace. Have the pellet with the poison of the pellet with the poisons in the vessel with a Pestle, or the pestle with the vessel? The vessel with the pestle. What about the palace from the Child? Not The palace from the Chalice. The Chalice from the palace was the pellet with a point in the vessel with the pestle. To see the pellet with the poisons in the vessel with the pestle. The Chalice from the palace has the brew of it is true. So easy. I can say. Well then you sorry, that line ads. For some reason it's off the end of the line, the lat the line it ends. Well, then you fight him. Gosh, it's familiar and I can't remember what it is and I feel like this, yeah, I'm in exactly the same it's so that's from my list. That's the court jester, because I've never seen that, because I could. Voted yes and I reference all the time because it's one of my five favorite moves. Well time and I highly recommend everyone watch it. It's Danny Kay, who, Danny K was the renaisance man, right. He acted, he sang, he did stand up comedy, brilliant, Hilarious, great dancer to great dancer to he did, he did everything and by all accounts he was incredibly charming, like actually as a human being, wasn't you know, because some people, oh, they're great on stage and then their whole person. By all accounts he was a charming human being. But this, this movie is just brilliant that the basic idea is it's a spoof, a spoonfish on Robin Hood and and the scarlet pimpernel, where the king has the throne's been usurped and so there's a resistance spanned in the forest and and this guy, Dandy case, character Tuber Hawkins, is part of the resistance fighter and ends up embtting himself in the king's castle as the court jester and hilarity ensues. It's got slapstick. It's got amazing fight scenes because one of the villains is Basil Rathbone, who was an Olympic fencer, like the Olympic fencing coach for the US. Huh, and he did all that in the sherlock homes. Yeah, and he did all the fight choreography. Wow. So the fencing fights are brilliant. There's a ton of puns and word play and brilliant one L as you heard, they're right the whole pellet with the poison vessel with the pestle, which was parodied on an episode of Chuck, which Made Me Love. That's why we know what I brought that. I brought that, I did. I brought that up on a previous episode. But just AH, it is so stinking funny. I I I toy with like nine different clips to play. Go Watch it now. It does start off a little bit slow, but I mean right off the bat the intro credits are played over him singing a song about the making of the film and it's just it's just hysterical and and if you've ever heard get it got it good. That's from this movie. Okay, yeah, this, this movie originated the whole get it got it good. It's from this movie, the Court Jester. Absolutely brilliant performance from Danny Kay. Strong leaning lady show, the the main, the main love interest. She's a night and he wants to be a night. I'm sorry, you didn't tell me this movie had a lady night and it I would have watched it like ten years ago. Yeah, she's she's the fighter and he's the one aspiring to be, to get to her level. It's Oh my gosh, it's just really, really good. And there are some baby as accution it but I can't remember any of them. Go Watch it.

It's fantastic and I'm definitely putting that back on movie night because it was like way early movie night, but it was just there was like three people that were there, okay, and so I'm putting it back on movie nightlist. Right, all right, all right. Next clip. I found it this one. This one should be a freebee. What you do not smell is called iokane powder. It is odorless, tasteless, dissolves instantly, buzz the princess fry. Indeed, whose list is this? Lon Oh, that's all yours. I would guess yours as well. It is on my list. Yeah, look at me, it was very nearly on my list. Yeahs it that, you know. It's a great fits all genres, pretty much type of film everybody loves, it's so good, and tried to clip out just the here did. This part is the poison, the battle of which has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink and find out who is right and who is dead. But it's so simple. Oh, I have to do is divine. From what I know of you, are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemies? Now, a clever man would put the boison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool. He would have counted on it. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. You made your decision then, not remotely, because Io cane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely people with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect. Wait till I get going. Where was I? Australia, yes, Australia, and you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. You're just stalling now. You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? So you could have put the poison in your own Goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you've also bested by Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal. So you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. You're trying to trick me into giving away something one, but it has worked. You've given everything away. I know where the poison is. Then make your choice. I will, and I choose what in the world can that be? You fell into one of the classic wonders. The other one can seeable, is on the one so Wala Shawn apparently was super nervous and anxious about playing someone from Florence, because he's Oh, no, sorry, he's the Sicilian, right, and he's like, but I can't do an Italian accent. And the A, the director, roriner. Yeah, Robiner, was like you're perfect for the role, you're perfect, just you're gonna do great right. So, like, while Shan had to be convinced to do it, and he's, you know, one of the most memorable parts of that whole movie cast. Just Carrie OLS is fantastic. Who Plays Buttercup? Robert Right, Robert Right, fantastic. Andre the giant, rest in peace. Yep, Andy Patinkin, wall is Shawn and, oh my gosh, she's Miracle Max, billy, billy, crystal. Just everything in that movie is just so good. And the DAD and the sun and I just I love this movie. So, yeah, yeah, it's at works on every single level. And people who don't like it, I don't understand what you wanted a movie, right, Yep, and they do. Do you want a Rob Cup that's right. Do you want an action movie? The princess bright the GRANDPA even says in the Dingo's got everything by eating pirates. Is Seem true love. What more do you want, Peter Faux? Yes, I just love is love it like he's halfway the streaking eels. Part those out that shrieking eels. I guess there's like she doesn't get eaten by the EELS. I say this because you look nervous. It's just the most quotable movie. It really is. It's and I feel like people who came to it after it became super popular. I've kind of like because it was kind of bust first. Yeah, I do all the quote so I'm not stop it. Go enjoy the movie that all these quotes are from. Right well, the I mean, I don't know about you guys, we love movies and House Thomas so with a lot of movie quotes get bandied about, but one that I say routinely, instead of I'm not at which I'm your wife, I say I'm not a blank, I'm your wife, you know, depending on you know whatever. But my husband as like I'm not a you know, I'm not check cook on you left. I I alternate between two pronunciations of the word Liar. One is obviously why, and then the other one is is a...

...quest. But I say, you know, inconceivable used to be my text tone. Oh Yeah, Plato, Aristotle, socrates, morons. I quote it so and keep saying that what I don't I think it means, which I see that all the time. So who top five movies I quote like day to day? I am quote right. So, but if you haven't seen it, please go see the princess bride and understand why this movie is such is so beloved by so many people. It really is a fantastic movie. It's fun, it's funny, it's gorgeous. Right, it's beautiful. It's just a great film. The score is is beautiful too. Yeah, not say such things if I were due next movie. Oops, you didn't. Architect, who's as good as I was? It's fine, I open the wrong file, but it'll work. I've got somebody better. All right, acne, I'd like you to meet Mr Cole. Pleased to meet you if you have a few moments. Mr Cobble, as a job off of you'd like to discuss with you work. Please, not exactly. I have a test for you. You're not going to tell me anything about this crist for I describe the job. I have to know you can do it. Who was not, strictly speaking, legal? Inception. Yeses, you have two minutes to design a maze that it takes one minute to solve. I recognize Michael Caine's voice, but I might. I can't remember what movie it is. And another. It is a Christis for Nolan. Very very nearly on my list. Inception. Yes, yeah, who, which I've only seen once. So would that would be on greglows. It isn't great. Greg has a type to my type is monster and shadow. Greg's is direct person in lightning. No, I got them too. Yeah, inceptions. A great film. It's fun and it's one of those things that that he left the ending ambiguous, on purpose, of course, just to make you think what was you dropped to the dreamer and I think he I think he had a definitive ending in mind and then it was like I'm gonna mess with people right, yes, you know what, at some of them I respect that and I don't. I honestly didn't care. That didn't bother me, but people like Whoa, what was it? I mean completely visually stunning. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, Oh yeah, sound Oh yeah, the soundtrack is perfect, although I did lean to every movie trailer from then on our well, what what my mind when I when I figured out that the entire score is the same musical phrase being sped up and slowed down again. Huh? As a musician, that was like, that's so simple and brilliant. Never be, it's there's a perfect a rate. There's a podcast I used to listen to that is now defunct badly, but it was for what I can start games website, and when Halo reach came out, the guy who reviewed it got comment bomb for giving it like an eight. It wasn't even like a bad score what. And so on the podcast the guys started reading out some of the reviews with the inception music underneath, and it's just fun, of the funniest things. I'll clip it down. I'll post it when I post the episode. All the type, but it's so funny. He's just like people yelling at him and he's like you freaking scum and just dog inst review was horrible. Tom It's and I'll say I adored halo reach, but it did not deserve higher than it. No, no, and clearly at some point you were like people are clearly just like somewhat. Two or three people legitimate left, bad commons and a bunch of people just like jumped on with these ridiculous, overblown comments just just for fun. But that's one of my favorite uses of inception music. But it really is. It has kind of taken over trailers. You can't get away from that. I mean without that movie I don't think we would have gotten some of the visuals we gotten, like Dr Strange. Yeah, and this is so greg. When Greg sent me clips or last Samurai and for inception, the Crypti gave me were purely visual. So last Subri was like it was cool. Video is like fighting the rains, and inception it was that fight scene they have in the rotating hallway, which they were legitimately rotating that hallway. So that's why it looks so good. It's because they're actually changing the hallway. So that was that's a really fun movie to watch because of things like that. The special features. Yeah, sure on that. It is. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, I need to I need to revisit that one. That's it. It's it's a great film. It's a good one. So Greg's just just just to be clear, Greg's type is cool visuals, not person in light. I don't know. It was a well lit movie, that's true.

No, man, now, I am no man. Who Love that line? They nope, seriously, you don't know, we're gonna have a problem here. He's being facetious. Nope. Oh yeah, dude, so that your life is gonna like put you in the dog house and you can't. That is from Lord of the Rings, return of the King. Yeah, when a Whin is fighting the witch king of Angmar. Yeah, she's gonna kill me because I was putting you in the doghouse. Bro, I don't think she's actually listening to an episode of this. Yes, I think I'm okay, Oh, I'm a we will send her to R last. We're letting yeah, Cassandra, pray for your husband. Hey, if that was for a right, yes, I have. Okay, that was from gregslist. Yeah, no, that was from ashes. was actually it's okay. Yeah, which, I was surprised that. I thought there was going to be the overlap between Greg and actually, but they're overlap was actually signed. I'm actually surprised that's not on greigslist. So because I figured we were going to overlap in two places. That would be the two. I think he intentionally chose to not pick that one. Right. So for me the Lord of the Rings is all one movie. Yeah, it's one book. It's one book. I mean that that was all tolkin intended it. His publisher said nobody will read a book Lat Long. Absolutely not after they're not seen moby Dick, like, come on, books that long. You know what he's you know what? My my husband and I have two different sets of the Lord of the Rings. The one that's mine is the one volume. I like it. I books and I cannot lie. We ever started march line. There we go, I think. I think that should be our next should you make a Jack Bush. But yeah, I mean to be fair, they did break up. They vergo did break it that up into you, volume one, war and volume two piece. Right, I guess it's legitimateous. It's literary jokes. Yeah, yeah, it's just a ground. The whole thing is just looks gorgeous. It's it's such a beautifully shot film, all of the practical effects they did. So the other movie I watched on repeat when I was my senior year of high school was the fellowship of the ring and that was before the extended editions came out. So I watched the standard edition fellowship of the ring on repeat along the signs that that fall, because I was I you know, I kind of did this in reverse. I watch the movies before I read the books and I that was most of that was my introduction really to Tolkien. I was like this is such a beautiful story, like, why have I not read this before? It's probably because I'm ninety nine percent confident. I have ADHD and kids. It's still that's why almost all my books are read through audiobook. But I love of that film so much because I just how beautiful it is. I liked, like the only actor I really knew from those movies was, what a new Elijah Wood, because he's child actor. He's a lot of movies that I saw as a kid. But then Ian mckellen was the only other other one I knew because he was magneto and Xmen, and xmen's my favorite Comic Book Character Group. So for me it that that that film was the the whole film series. It is just crash course in beautiful cinematography watching all of us all the special features on the DVD and getting like a feel for how the practical effects worked and, you know, all the different groundbreaking stuff they did that is now like commonplace and moves making like two hundred sets of chain mail articular. Yeah, like I was. I was blown away by, like, you know, just how they did all of the the armor and and and the fencing and the and the horseback riding and the hobbit feet. Well, yeah, the Hobbit feet to yeah, I mean, you know, nobody speak really look like that. Wows is is bring. I'm pretty close there. But yeah, like it just all the different things that went into making those movies and how that was such a gamble for new line because they filmed all three movies at the same time, and how expensive it was to get those made. The the sets. They kind of did a thing called bigotures. Instead of miniatures, they did biggatris for these big like over over the top, or what's it like? Sky Shots? Yeah, of the the castles and things like that. Those are all fly overseen. Yes, those are all actual models. They're not CGI, and I that's why they still look good. Yeah, and they like the only Cgi they really used was for the hordes which they had like a group of real people, and then copy pasted that. Right, so it still looks really good and I find I guess our ons, I technically, but yeah,...

...it's a fight. They did flat field flaming. I. Yeah, sorry, that was just a little too expensive. That was the problem. Yeah, it was on loan to it was on it was on loan to the to Australia. So they write. But you know, things that are commonplace now, like CGI motion captures used. I mean I think that was really the first time that that effect was used. And now, I mean how many, quote unquote, live action animated movies do we have and that are all CGI motion capture? And Andy Serkis is in seventy five percent. But just because he's so brilliant, you such a brilliant character actor, and you can see in every shot of that film how much love went into this, how much love there was for the source material, how much love went into, you know, making it into this real, right, immersive world, right, right. And and that score is amazing to yeah, Gosh, it's one of the most beautiful film scores ever made period. Concerning hobbits, I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but concerning hobbits, is basically the same melody line of this is my father's world, which I think is Oh yeah, I can notice that. Notice that. Yeah, so I I think just for a song that conjures up visual imagery of just the beauty of the Shire and and how gorgeous it is. A like it's gets me on a really deep emotional level and if we could, if we could, spiritual level. So yeah, yeah, absolutely. I could just say Sam is best boy, Oh one hundred, which is why, honestly, is the true when he spoilers, spoilers, spoiler cloth for your ears, for stranger things, spoilers when he dies and stranger things. That was more traumatizing to me. Oh, Ryan about ugly cry. That was more traumatizing because I was like Sam, no, yeah, boys. Also, every time I'm every time I interact with the potato Otahi, a massive sick ministry, Fun Throwback to pirates of the Caribbean, you can actually see Orlando Blooms elvish wrist tattoo. He's doing sword of flight for that if the look for that's right. Yeah, because sword fights in they still stay fun, but after the absurdity of the Blacksmith fight in pirates of the Caribbean, which was so fun and so well done. Yeah, the one on the wheel was just like too goofy, like they got too goofy. Yeah, yeah, just it. I think one of the reasons I chose that, that that the that set of films, is just because of it made me really think about beauty in a different way. Yeah, I I find it. The story just a compelling it just a compelling story. I find it compelling on a completely different levels a Christian, which also part of the reason I chose it. I you know, he also, if you he gave a blond lady a sword. I'm pretty happy as one lady who likes to brandish swords. So Yeah, I Love Art Imitating Life, art indicating the time. Feel like we're all pretty hobbitish table with anyway. Oh yeah, there's a great little drawing. I think it was probably a tumbler post or something, or someone's like. So, how does leg lasses ELPI see? Wouldn't he like at some point fail because of the curvature of the earth and sons like lasting up these and drew lego lass with these giant eyes on stocks, and then so and then, of course, someone jumped in with like the actual or they're like well, actually, with the physics of yeah, actually, apparently the world's actually flat. But then to keep people out of the forever realms the earth, the earth curves. So leg lasted like elves, just see it as a flat land. But this is the the image of Lego lass with his eyes on giant look six with like someone, someone calculated for him to see how far he would have to have, you know, pupils that were this big and like someone drew it out. It was who runs the world, nerds? All Right, next movie. Listen well, all of you. The princess shall indeed grow in grace and beauty, love by all, who know, but the fathers on the sets. On US Sixteen Birth Day, she shall pray, coughing Gu on the sind all of a, spending way over and die. No, Oh no, see that despicable. Great job. Stand back, you fools. Shine, yeah, Jason, Sleeping Beauty, yes, and absolutely done. It's a really good that's a great film. It on your list, Ash, it is definitely on my list, because I am not particularly good at girl things or being particularly girly. People are, or at least what is spot to considered traditionally girly, which doesn't make sense to because I'm like, okay, Ashley, if you sing this, swing a sword. You swing a sword like a girl by sm a sort of swing a sword like a guy, because I'm a guy. There, Hey, they go. If you're swing a sword, then that's that's feminine. Swing. Is like it's time to swing a sword...

...because, as she's a girl, she's doing it so well. Yeah, I don't even missed me. Miss me with that. I don't like it. But yeah, when I tell people I have a favorite Disney princess and they're all like, you have a favorite Disney princess? You even watch those movies? Like yes, yes, I have. Everyone watches reaches, but I chose sleeping beauty for a few reasons. One, that's one of my earliest memories of watching a movie. MMM, I remember being maybe three or four years old. I had to copy the VHS and I remember come all the young kids just said one of Oh, yeah, I know, I know. Well, well, that's a that's a story for a different time. But back in the day that was how we watched movies at home because we didn't, you know, if you didn't have cable or if you weren't in a theater, it mean be it just was still pretty new. It was. It was much more commonplace, you know, when I was a kid, but at the time it was still kind of a big deal. But we had a copy of sleeping beauty. I remember coming home from like a like a doctor's appointment, like a checkup or something, and my mom had spread this old quilt that her, either her mom or her grandmother, had made for her out in the living room floor. I'm sitting on the quilt, I'm eating my sugar free lollipop that I got at the doctor's office and I'm watching sleeping beauty and that's that. I mean, honest to God, that's like one of the earliest movie like memories I have of watching a film and I watched that movie all the time as a kid, partially because I love the animation style that that movie very nearly bankrupted Disney it was put out because the animation was so expensive. But my goodness is it not still beautiful today. Like I mean, that movie came out in early S I think. I don't remember off the top of my head the exact day, years and years ago. Yeah, I mean so. I mean it's a it's a fifty plus yere old movie and it's still just as gorgeous as the day it was made. Just the color is so vibrant in that I love like the the painted backdrops. I'm a big animation fan, is just in general, but just it's just so, so, so beautiful. I think on a subconscious level I was really drawn to the film because Mary Costa, who voiced a sleeping beauty who's maybe fifteen or sixteen at the time, is from my hometown. She's from Knoxville, Tennessee, and so she has yo. I'm so dorky about sleeping beauty. I've watched it with the commentary track and she's on there and she talks about how, as a teenager to walk Disney was walking her through like how to do the vowels, to have like a just a soft English accent, and they're not that far off from southern vowels in certain context. I know all the Brits listening are going to jump on and like smack me, but it works. So if I chose that film because it gave me an appreciation for animation, from a very early age and what beautiful animation looks like, but also just, I mean in the same vein of the Lord of the Rings, like it gave me an appreciation for beauty and to look for beauty in art. Also, maleficent, arguably the scariest Disney villain. What a timeless villain. Also, her motivation is they didn't invite her. They didn't invite me because I proces says birthday. Oh No, no, literally, because she says now you will deal with me. Oh, prince, and all the powers off and, of course, solidified green that specific time. Yeah, that yellow green color flame as subs as the villains green. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Gosh, and to think this all could have been avoid if you just like set her an evite. Ye, come on, King Stephen, yeah, King Stephen, Stephen, Steph. And Yeah, it'll argue we will never really get back to as beautiful as animation when it was hand drawn. You know, we talked about how great into the spider verse and all that stuff is, and it's its own different kind of ore. Oh, yeah, never, we're never going to get back to like classic Disney. Well right, yeah, well, I think if you, if you want that you have to go to Japan, where they're still doing hands. Yeah, yeah, and like Studio Geebli, yeah, yeah, which are some of the most beautiful animated films. Yeah, like, yeah, is they? They stuck to their guns, and more power to them, because that that's hard. I not like Disney, is the company that could afford to do that. Oh, yeah, I mean it's not like Disney. I know you're listening to the animation. Please and thank you. It's in the frog. Was Great. Yes, I'm on anyways anyway. But yeah, of sleeping beauty, great, great film and I think because, you know, I watch that VHS tape to death and you know I have it on DVD. Like back then you literally could watch a movie to death. Yes, that's happening to all star wars, but but I yeah, I still have my vhs copy of sleeping beauty. I actually prefer to watch it on VHS, and it's not just for nostalgia reasons, but the the the scene that really scared me as a kid was when maleficent is in the fireplace, right before she lures Aurora away, to touch the spin the the spinning wheel on the VHS because of the picture quality all you can see is her eyes and that scared the hell out of me, even though I was way more scared of the wicked queen from Snow White. That particular scene. Like, I rememmber thinking about it one early morning walking out to the end of my driveway to kid on...

...the up school bus and because it was dark and I was thinking about that scene, I got scared and I ran back in the house and missed the bus, because that's how my imagination worked as a little kid. But I when I got the DVD for Christmas, after they Disney first put out on DVD, I watched it on the DVD and you can see like maleficent clearly and I'm like, well, this isn't nearly a scary now. So, like, I actually prefer to watch it on VHS. Yeah, and I think, I think one of the thing, one of the reasons the animation was so expensive was because they tried a different animation style. Yeah, and and never repeated that, right, which is why sleeping beauty looks so unique. And I would I would liken it to stain glass, yes, like a stained glass windows. And Yeah, and I thought about so gorgeous, because it has a lot it's a lot more angular than some of the other stuff and it looks absolutely gorgeous. Also decent kingdom hearts villain maleficent was, although it got, I've heard her role got weird and she lost me. HMM, she lost me with, like, you know, hearts one, I understood what she was doing. Two and three. I just sorry, Maleficent, who lost me? And why are you keeping up with Pete of all people? Like anyways, basically any other Disney villain is kind of a step down. Yeah, you're absolutely right, and I maybe haities and I yeah, I mean, you know, he's and I did like this. I kind of do like the arch art, archetype, arch type, archetype of the villains not being the hideous creatures. Right, rights, is actually very you don't know why, right. I mean the Queen isn't ugly. What? She turns yourself into a chrone for most of the movie, right, but maleficent is tall and beautiful and evil, just like the white which is tall and beautiful and evil. And it's like being pretty, which s been a kind of a Hollywood is bad at this trope. Being Pretty makes you the good guy, being ugly makes you the bad guy has been a traditional thing. It's like no pretty people are evil, to which I appreciate. It's not one of the pretty people. Again. Why I love breed of tarts. Yeah, just one other note about sleeping beauty. It's a it's a beautiful film and just really it's timeless. It's a classic, it's it's good, good. Go Watch it if you haven't. And one of the one of the benefits of to the animation is it always looks good. It never stops. Like if it looked bad to begin with, then it will always yeah, but if it looked good, ever, it still looks good and every frame of those movies is a work of art and literally. I love sleeping beauty so much I entered and recessed at my wedding to the I know you, I walk with you once upon a dream, which is actually from Tokosky's sleeping beauty ballet. So it was. That was the the song I walked into because I did not want to walk into here comes the bride long fan. Why, that's all that goes got actually five items old, but I've never heard that before. Or not comes the broad long that wide. Never heard that my life and he has a room which is my husband's physique. So anyway. But yes, some upside down he might make a decent room too. Yeah, you know, you know well to try that stiff and not be my protest, but that's gonna say that the shaved head is going to ruin. Warrantine cut right rock in the Cuball, got a couple more. Next clip should be a freebe. Well, you look nervous. Is it the scars? Wonder how how I got them us. That is the the Dark Knight, it is. Indeed. WHO's list is it on? That's Song Grigslist, because it's Christopher Nolan. It is not. You should wow. Jason's definitely on my list. It is. Sorry, one of the main reasons inception did not make it is I didn't want to do two knowlan films. All right, definitely one of when I was going through my trying to figure out my list, into the spider verse, in the Dark Knight, where the two that I could not get away from, because in the dark knight is just, on its own, such a great movie. My second, one of my second all time favorite characters, character they got me into superheroes and all that kind of stuff, is Batman, right and I think the dark knight is one of the first times, like live action, really got character Batman, they really got a good action oriented superhero movie. Heath Ledger's performance fantastic, definitive version of the joker. Yeah, managed to make him scary but a little whimsical all at the same time. And it just they they caught that, that embodiment of chaos that it is. Yeah, the joker is. Yeah, and somehow managed to make a somewhat grounded superhero movie. That has not they've not been able to do that, since no one left. No, now, let me just though. They had play the end of this clip. I love little fight now, I like that. That cut up again me, but it's yeah, it's so good. If I had, if I had sent the clips, I probably would have done I know what, given her away just as...

...fast. The interrogation scene. Oh, yeah, ever, do you the head first? The victim gets all funny again. Very quotable movie. A lot of the same things that you love about inception you're going to see there, because it's no one. You know, it's essentially the same cast. Yeah, yeah, because it's not what I really loved about Heath Ledgers Joker obviously his acting was just outstanding. Yeah, the idea that they didn't explain where he comes from and every time he tells a story changed, so he's clearly not telling yea truth. Yeah, and this idea that he just appears out of nowhere and sees Batman and latches onto him like I'm gonna, I'm gonna make you, I'm gonna turn you. So it just hits because the joker works best when he's a dark reflection of Batman and jest, he needs to be unexplained. When you explain the Joubert takes out the mystique, and this mystique of this random person who comes in. I know, if you want to get into the idea that his plan was so ridiculously ridiculous. Yeah, but whatever, I'm fine with that. I think that's basically most comic book. Yeah, so I'm okay with that. But I saw that at midnight. And when that he does the pencil trick. Yep, he drop silence. Oh yeah, yeah, and either that or like yeah and run. You know, there's just like the gast of shock and then right just can drop silences. Like what is he gonna do next? Yeah, that's then. Well, and one of the things you touched on is one of the things I love about that movie because the writers did get the character of the joker because, yes, well, it's not my favorite Batman story at all. One of the definitive Batman Stories, joker stories, is the killing joke, and one of the best lines from that is joker, after giving his origin throughout the story, ends off with well, if I'm going to have about past, I prefer to be multiple choice. So even when they're giving the definitive joker origin, jokers like, yeah, but I might just be making all this up. Yeah, which made for some really great scenes in that movie, just him explaining it over and over. Yeah. So, so the first time he says, you want to know how I got these cars and explains I'm like well, that was a little and then the second time he's like wait, but that's not the same story. What? And it plays into this like embodiment of chaos. Oh yeah, joker should be. Yeah, he's completely and utterly psychotic and without reason. Yeah, yeah, some men just want but still, but still, but still intelligent. Not, he's not crazy in the sense that he doesn't know what's gonna understand what's going on right. He's lucid. He's perfectly lucid, and that's kind of like when we talked about Hannibal. That's what makes him so dangerous is he understands exactly what he's doing and he's he understands how other people think to a certain extent, which is what makes him so dangerous. He's too dangerous to be dangerous. I'M NOT gonna I'll just say all right, next clip. There, it's US idiots. Your butts are getting bigger. We got you were a dragon, not that there's anything wrong with a dragon, asque figures of survival and dwindling into single digit buzz. Yeah, I believe that is how to train your drag. Yeah, and that is on your listener thing. It is not. That is from my list. What y'all bamboozling me? M There's there's a trend or you know, I really love animated movies right now. I love fantasy and I think that that movie is basically the perfect blend of those two. Oh yeah, no, it's a great film. Have you read the books? I have not read the book. Yeah, say they are a book series. I have not read them either. Look that up. But that movie again. The score is amazing. I can listen to the score all day long. It's got, you know, humor, it's got heart. The hero of it. One of the things that's really interesting is he's just completely about getting everyone to a peaceful coexistence. I can't remember the exact quote, but I think the director, when you are one of the writers, are the director, when they were talking about the movie, they basically were like, I don't really like to be preachy when I'm you know, when I'm writing, but I really feel like a hero. That's just his only goal is piece is something that we really need right now. HMM, and you can see that throughout the movie. The character of toothless is, you know, hilarious and adorable and probably basically all the best qualities of a dog and a cat kind of combined. And they did like motion capture on a cat to get the motions. Yeah, so they think one of the like the producers are one of the directors, cats. They tied something to its tail and saw how it chased it around. So so I have a black cat and and Ryan took me to go see that movie. That was one of our one of the movies was out the dollar theater when we were dating and I'm just like, this is like watching Luna. This is so weird. A dragon actually watch the cat and mimicked it's most perfect I love at the end of the movie that his injury mirrors toothless is injury. And then I've talked about this when we talked about prequels, sequels and SAGAS. The how to treat a dragon one,...

...two and three is an amazing sequel trilogy for me because each movie does different things and advances the story more and more and develops the characters more and more but keeps the same heart, whereas if I look at like Fu Panda, I think this one. I used this example use then all three are good movies, but they're all the same movie, right. And you know, you pointed out the mirroring. That whole movie is a chiasmic structure, like from the intro narration of the young narration all the way, basically the whole movie mirrors itself up to the scene where toothless and hiccup are flying and they fail and then it starts to mirror itself as soon as they do it again and they succeed, and then from the rest of that you get all these moments right. You gestured to all me, you know, at the beginning of the film, in the end of the film, the narration, like you said, mirroring the injuries. It's just it's a really, really well written movie for what was a simple premise, right, but absolutely adored. Probably my favorite non Disney animated film. It's I don't do that unless into the spider verse is up there too. Oh, yeah, reason, yeah, that's the yeah, that is so justested to find what a key as a murky astic structure is. It's basically like a roller coaster. It's gonna go up and down, but everything's mirrored, right, so the orderly under another. Yeah, it's we can. It's often found in literature and poetry. Yeah, we can. We can thank Daniel for yeah, the actually knowing that work. Yes, but it's a very common theme in especially Hebrew poetry. But it's very common theme. You See, it actually is a contest of an objects in filmography and in cinema, cinematographic storytelling. Shuck, for instance, has a somewhat chiastic structure with its very beginning and it's very end. The the first and last episodes are almost identical, but with the roles reversed, which is what made me love the finale summer. I ever thought about that? Yeah, that's so. It's something that you won't notice unless you do what I did, which I don't want to. We're gonna have a we're going to have an episode on Chuck, but basically, when the fifth season was coming out, me and my friends who watch chuck, we're like, okay, the finale is coming up, let's watch all the chuck before you watch the finale. So we did that Nice. So when you watch it all in the span of like a month, right then you see it's been not been up too long since you watched the first episode. You Watch the laps up. She like, wow, this is an exact mirror right, and it's that, to me, that made it a really, really good finale. And before we go, I think one of the things that really one of the other things that really draws me to it is it has this hero that doesn't really have to change again who he is in order to and that's kind of the whole first part of the movie is him trying to, you know, change his identity be more like everyone else, and then it's the difference is that actually end up kind of defining him as week in a royal character? Yep, right, all right. Next clip. It's so good to see you and Miss Beaumont together it again. Might one ask what this bodes for your alter ego? I'm not sure, Alfred. Everything's happening so fast. Oh, buzz, I know this one. See, you know this one. Yes, that is Batman. Ask of the fantastic it is, and whose list is it on? Oh, that's on Jason's list. Yes, I was going to be shocked if it was not a Jason's this. And Yeah, just place you of Jason's at the FAD. Yeah, Y'all just did the you know, the Switcheroo on me, but that because I know, I know how to train you dragons, one of your favorite films. But it is. I want this one. I had to be on my list because, again, I love Batman. And but what? The thing that got me into superheroes, really got me into any for everything, was Batman, the animated series, and I feel like I'm mask of the Phantasm, is all of what's best about the animated series and a nutshell, and kind of elevated a little bit. Oh, I totally agree. It is. If you haven't seen it, it's a fantastic movie on its own and has a really solid mystery. You don't need to really know anything about Batman to watch it. You get a decent origin story for Batman, the joker. All that just kind of all wrapped into like an undertohur package. Right, so it's only about an hour and a half but yeah, and so so good. You get the best part. I mean Kevin Conroy for me is the definitive Batman. When I'm reading a comic, I'm listening to anything, that's the voice that I hear in my head. Mark Hamill is the definitive joker, as much as I love Heath Ledger's performance. That that again, Mark Hamill's the voice that I hear. I have to show you guys this clip at some point, but one of the big comic cons, a bunch of big name voice actors did a reading of a new hope, of like a the first scene from a new hope in their voices, and Kevin Conroy's the narrator. So it's like billy west and Tara strong. So so like Darth Vader, but does darth vader's lines as bubbles and it's amazing. I think I remember hearing about this now, but I've been going to have to take it up. It's outstanding. But yeah, I think, yeah, just what you said. It epitomizes Batman...

...the animated series and you don't have to have watched all that in the n series to come into it. You can just come into it blind, knowing as much as the common person knows Bout Batman, which is he's a rich person who dresses like a bat and he fights crime. And I think one of the cool things about it it manages to add to the origin story, introduce a completely original villain and not fail at it. And they kills people. Yeah, in a PG kids were to move. It's a very upset about not getting to go see it in the theater as a kid. I was like maybe six or seven when that came out. I mean the joker bleeds. You know, they're really, yeah, really pushing the envelope there. But, and that was one of the things in the original in Batman the animated series, they weren't allowed to have anyone bleed. HMM. But yeah, and because of things like that, the joker comes off as a little bit scarier. The score is fantastic. It's like this operatic version of like the the theme from the animated series. I would argue as much as I love I love the dark night, I feel like that is probably cinematically the Best Batman movie, maybe one of the best superhero movies ever made, but I think the Best Batman Movie I've ever made, in my opinion, is mask of the Phantasm, because I think like Batman Samurai. I actually have not seen it. Seem that that man Ninja, that man Ninja. Yeah, it said. Okay, I haven't seen. It's a trip I can imagine. I'm sure I've just from the depiction of the Red Hood where he's I've seen little bits of it and it's not the trippy parts. Wearing a like a red yea red asst of them. Yeah, then dressed up as Samurai and Ninja's is not what makes it trippy. Okay, and I'm not going to spoil it. You have to watch it and just embrace it. It's pretty amazing. Jeff, Batman Ninja, it's pretty amazing. But yeah, that it's it's one that not a lot of people have seen because even when it came out in theaters, like nobody went. So it was in the theater. Yeah, I never even heard of about. No, sorry, it's going back to not, that's not. That's a mass with the panther, like yes, said, you saw it this hold on, a box office flop that later on people came back and rediscovered. Yeah, it's I think it's actually streaming on Netflix now. So okay, yeah, it's quite good. See, my DVD has a scratch on it. So, yeah, all right, it's a good spot. Boy, listen to me. I'll fire first. I want you to start with the officers, some market way down different yeah, yes, father has father. That is the Patriots. It is indeeds. That is that is on Greg's list list. Yeah, again, he person in like yeah, definitely, lyres type. gave away a lot and we're at a house the other I know Greg gaveaway his whole list the last like twenty minutes of the paper. Say This is a movie I have not seen. Oh Wow, so talk to me about it. We actually talked about I'll give that the other day. Yeah, yeah, but I just give me the hustest. I know it's Moas and it's Mel Gibson Revolutionary War. Basically, you know, he gets his family gets killed and he what starts off as like this vengeance mission where he warms the militia and goes on. It's been a while since I've actually, yeah, like the film. I say, it's probably been since high school since I'm actually watched it all the way through, but you kind of get to see his character evolve and take on you know, it would started as a vengeance revenge mission becomes, you know, him trying to serve his country, trying to be right. He becomes much more heroic and even though he was a previous like French and Indian war hero, if I remember correctly, he was hesitant to get involved again in the revolution because his wife had passed. He's like the only thing his children have, but he can gets pushed in to that vent fantastic battle scenes in that movie. Yeah, very realistic and we were talking, you know, there's a little bit of controversy when it came out for how realistic some of the injuries and things were, like cannon balls and people getting shot and stabbed and and now, like we would like, I don't even bat an eye at if because so many, so many other things today or significantly more silent, but it was like a realistic depiction of war. The score is particularly beautiful. It's a John Williams oh well, yes, score, yeah, man does good work. Yeah, yeah, and just this beautiful, like sweeping sound. I I really enjoyed listening to the score for that film. I remember mostly wanting to watch it in high school because Heath Ledger was in it and he's hot. So that's that was high school Ashley's motivation for watching the Patriot. But it is is a good movie. Also, a friend of mine from high schoool, if I remember correctly, her mom actually worked on the set for that film,...

...so she got to be an extra. So it was kind of like a big deal in my high school because we knew somebody that was in even though I couldn't tell you where she actually shows up in the film, even though she's apparently in there somewhere. So I just haven't I figured out where. But all right, we got two more. You look, so I cannot make fun of me. They sent this dress over. I did not pick it out, but I could have the front and I made a I mean wrist bands, though. It looks stupid, doesn't no, no, no, all right, I just I've never seen you wow finish your sentences. Is that said a good wow or oh no, no, it's it's good wow. It's a really good well, now that is two thousand ones. Josie and the PUSSYCAT ATS, directed by debrah Kaplan and Harry l Font I have never said I've never seen that one. Well, you know what, not like I have to actually mentioned it. I didn't even know there was a live actually Josie the pussycats. Oh it's so much fun. So if you watch Riverdale, there is an iteration of Josie the pussycats on the Riverdale TV show, but it is that iteration is is a bit different from from this one. So, for the UNINITIATED, Josie in the pussycats has and archie comic and it was also a Hanna barbera cartoon in the early S. I grew up watching the cartoon as a kid because my parents had cable and we we got cartoon network, and cartoon network in its early days just ran all kinds of Hanna Barbera animation. Yeah, S, and so I love Scoobydoo. The SCOOBYDOO formula was very, very successful for Hanna Barbera and therefore there were like four hundred thousand under other cartoons and pattern. Is it so cheap? It was. He was so cheap. The if you listen closely, you will recognize a lot of the the scenes where they're running. If it's not a jest song, it's like it's the same. They're running in place in the thing of scrolling. Yeah, got the scene scrolling in the back. But I grew up loving the cartoon. Is it's it is basically Scoobydoo with a girl band, and what's not to like about that? So I grew up loving the cartoon. When I found out there was going to be a Josie the pussycats live action movie, I kind of lost my mind because in the back of my head I have this secret desire that I really want to be a cartoon character. I think a lot of mean who doesn't? I mean, I mean we're all kind of animation fans. I don't know that that's particular normal desire, but I would really love to be in a cartoon and so anytime, and I think that's part of the reason now is an adult, I really love Cosplay, is because I can be a cartoon character, but want to and so effectively like having a live action movie based on a cartoon. was kind of like a cartoon coming to life for me, and so I was really hype about that. I didn't really know any of the actresses in the film except for Rachel Lee Cook, and I only knew who Tara Reid was because she was dating Carson daily at the time. And I watch I love music, so I watched the total request live all the time. And you know, that was back in the days when MTV played music. What. Yeah, I know that. That's what like television. Yeah, they aim. It stands for music. So it's not jackass, know. Or what is it? Jersey shore? Jersey shore, the team pregnancy show? Oh sweet, sixteen pregnant. Yeah, yeah, so, you know, you actually get to, you know, listen to music and watch these things called music videos back in the day anyway. So just in the pussycats is a misunderstood satire. It is a setterization of commercialism, particularly commercialism directed at youth, nouns, youths, youths, youth, treat youth. I need to go back and finish new girl, because whenever I think about young people, I in my head think about street youths and up anyway. Anyone's seen my driving moccasins. But so even, as you know, I was fifteen when this movie came out. I got to see in the theater with a couple of my friends. I was so hyped. They did not find it nearly as amusing as I did, but I so I'm geeking out because I love the cartoon. Also, this is a girl band. I'm a musician. I was, I I've been maybe playing guitar for a couple of years at that point and I had, you know, started learning drums and bass. But the reason this film is on my list was just because of how much it influenced me as a teenager. It helped me with my learning, in learning music, because I'm predominantly self taught in all the instruments I play. I never took guitar lessons until I was in college, or drum lessons either until I was in college, and so I learned how to listen for Bass lines in the because I still have the soundtrack. I listened to it all the way over here. I still, unironically, love all of the music that was made for this film. But that music taught me how to listen for Bass Lines and drum beats. I found US somebody had tabbed out the whole soundtrack online, and so I printed out all the guitar tabs and I used to be able to play the entire so soundtrack from memory on electric guitar. That was actually why I asked for Electric Guitar for my sixteen birthday. They was because I wanted to be able to...

...play power chords and rock. You know, I don't have the heavy but I mean the whole soundtrack is it's original, its original music. There are a couple of except for the of the couple of covers. They did a cover of money. That's what I want. Also, they of course, they covered theyges in the pussycats theme song from the Cartoon And oh and no wild child. It's all really fun, but it's it's a set, it's it's satire of commercialism. What critics, if you go back and look at reviews for the film, critics did not understand that. Yes, there is tons of product placement in this film, but one all of the products place in this bill. None of them paid to be in the movie. HMM. So yes, this is a movie about product placement. And it's influence on teen youth culture. But none of the products actually paid to be in there, and that's the joke. Like this film taught me how to look for visual sight gags. This whole film is a visual sight gag. There's so many, so many things going on in the background. You've got a girl band, which I was just really loving at the time. Also like just how how it breaks the fourth wall. I couldn't find a clip. This is the clip I really wanted to send in, but there's there's a line where Alan Cumming, who plays the the girls record EXEC contact guy. He says, but wouldn't you like to watch a cartoon or beat a comic or go see a movie about a trio of luscious ladies called Josie and the pussycats? And I'm I lost it because my friends did not know this was a cartoon and a comic and I'm just losing my mind because it's breaking the fourth wall. There's another line where the band's manager, Alexander, and then his sister, his twin sister, Alexandra, she was always running along with them too. She was kind of like Josie's antagonist. They're on the plane they're going to the city to record the the album, and he looks at her and he's like, I still don't understand why you're here. It's played by Missy pile. Missy piles like I'm here because I was in the comic book. So great, so great, misunderstoods satire. I think it holds up even more so now just because of how much the Internet and how insidious like all kinds of these product placements and sponsorships and ads and how just invasive they all are. Now it's Eve. I think it's even more relevant today than it was nineteen years ago. So it's a fan of Hanna Barbara and yeah, you know fourth wall breaking and Satyrile the sure. Yeah, it is streaming on HBO Right now. If anybody wants to watch it or not watch any more. That's let's put on the movie list. Yeah, well, I'll make everybody watch it at some point because it's great. I'm down. All right. So we got one more and Ashley's leading by a single point. All right, was now, so this could be for the win or the tie final countdown, but it is. Here we go. Highlights out of her hair. Oh, I know. First got over me. Yeah, first the world, Scott pilgriming. That is on your list, Nathaniel. Guys doing anything fun while you're in town, Fun in Toronto, you cocky cock. You'll pay for your crimes against humanity. Oh, I love this movie so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so much. It had been recommended to me forever and I only just recently saw it. Yes, Ryan made you, I write, came over, but yeah, it was delightful. Oh, yeah, well, we watched it a couple weeks ago, otherwise I would have totally forgotten the line. You punched the eyelights out, our air lights out of her. Everything on the movie it's just Michael Sarah. It's just the perfect slub. He's great. I love him so much. And what's really funny is so there's a band. I might have mentioned this. There's a band called Mr Heavenly, which is made up of the singer from man man and like the guitarist and such keyboards from lonely islands and a couple other people. And then when they did the first or Michael Sarah played the bass. Well at this was after Scott Pilgrim, and he does the same little like perky thing. Yeah, he doesn't Scott Pilgrim. He does that in real life. He learned to play the Bass for that movie and then he went on tour with the band and, Mr Heavenly, is great. That's awesome and, oh my gosh, it's just so I saw this movie at midnight and I had sprained my ankle and so my ankle was in a cast but wrapped up and I was on crutches and, you know, just not having a good week and I went saw this movie and now again, I'd only seen the previews where it was like, okay, this guy's fighting seven evil x's, whatever, I don't know, it's weird. We're just gonna go see it. It's got Michael Sarah at it. It'll be fun. I just blow like this is the best movie ever. And the whole crowd was just getting really into its, cheering whatever. He beat up an evil x and that would that was a that was a fun one. And and it's one of those movies where it rewards you for subsequent viewings. There's so much going...

...on visually and one liners that like rapid dialog and so and and one interesting thing that every single time Scott fights and x, their number is in the scene all over the place. So, like when he's fighting Lucas Lee, he's got a giant number two on his trailer and when they say when they start, he's like take to action. It's as all over and some some of them are subtle, some of them aren't. What's his name? Brandon roup's character, right, the Vegan Gut. Yeah, what's I can't remember his name. I don't remember either. But yes, he's wearing a giant tree on his shirt, right. I says that. Yeah, so. So some of them are really obvious and some of them are a lot more subtle. And the fact that Scott is a zero. He's always drinking coke zero. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of NU miracle stuff. See, all of this makes me know that you would love just as hast for this reason, because it does that same kind of a lot of over stuff is lost, subtle stuff. Also love the fact that at the end of the spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, when he fights Naga Scott and they come out and they're chatting, it's like, oh, it's because Scott is a terrible person and so the reverse of him is really good persons. He's just like I Nikea Guy. Yeah, he's just a really great guy because I'm a terrible person. Just that's fun and that there. And there's some lines where you walk into the bar, they they see. So I think it's I think it's when they when they see the clash of Demon head play and everyone's like wow, and young me'll just goes yeah, they're much better live. You should really see them live. And then when he walks into the the chaos theater and Como's there and he just says yeah, but their first album it's not as good as their first album. And then the first time you seek he saying yeah, I told him you have a really great sound. I think you should market your sound. Deaf people. You know everyone? Yeah, not really. You know Girl Hills? Yes, that's Ramona flowers. I said I love that movie and you have so many people in that film that became a big deal like a few years later. Yeah, like Aubrey Plaza and Anda kindrick and marry Elizabeth winstead. There Elizabeth Winster Sevens. Oh, this was kind of big then to around. That was that was pretty captain America. It's a comic book movie. So he was down for it. Yeah, and and what's funny is the the graphic novels are great. I say, I am I need to put them on. They do take a bit of a divergence, but they capture the essence of the story, which the essence is Scott's not a great guy, right, and they kind of capture that in the essence of love, the of all the ex's he fights, right, and it's just I love it. It's so good. It's so, so good. Yeah, that it was. That that was a really fun, fun movie. And Wallace again in the fact that everything is basically set up like a video game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you got all these visual cues and that they got the license for the Zelda music, like nobody gets Zelda music license. But they're playing Great Fairy Fountain in all the dream sequences and and and young meals like legitimately playing Zelda. People like analyzed it. Were like he's playing Ds. There's no cartridge in the DS, but there's a gameboy game in the DS, so he's playing linked to the past. That's really nice. So that it's there's a lot of really small touches. Pretty soon it's not just going to be nice bring the sex with pump shirts. It'll be the cool kids to I just I love. That would be so, so, so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, again talking about actors learning how to play instruments. All the actresses in joy, the PASKETCH, riche, league, Collot Rosario, Dawson, Tara read, they all actually learn how to play their instruments for the movie and they sing background on the soundtrack. They got K Handley, who is the lead singer of letters to Cleo, to do Josie's vocals. Yeah, but it's that same kind of principle that it just tells me you would love Josie the Pussy Gats. I'm probably down to watch it. And, and that's another thing about Scott pilgrim is every track is a banger. Yeah, just it's really it's really fun. I'm said, I am so very, very sad, so sad. Thank you. I said, Oh, it's so funny, it's so it's so charming, it's so good and it again it were awards. It's got enough in there that it rewards re watching it right, which my mom the first time she saw it, it's like, I didn't really like that, but now after you know, because we watch it all the time. She's seen enough, just like, okay, yeah, I actually like this movie now. But that was it and I think Ashley won by a single point. So I think so is we were. You were one of yeah, Ashley, she got a play on the Jason Fifteen and it was it was close too. Was a close again, you know, and we've all been friends for several years, but I didn't know that some of these movies were on Y'all's list. So, I mean just tells you you can learn something new about Bros every day. Yeah, and I learned that Greg likes a lot of movies that I've never seen. Three of Greg's five movies I've never said. Say I guess Greg's type is Christopher Nolan, Islan or and I sham and there's no one. I got to Mel Gibson's. We got an m night Shamalan, we got a Tom Cruise and we got to we got...

...two Nolan's man man in light. That was person in light as shadow personal life, I don't know. Could you okay? So my so say, do you have a typeface? Why? I have a type Zootopia. Remember the titans, Princess Bride's got pilgrim court jester. There's a lot of comedy. I think. I think my type is clever dialog. Yeah, Lever Dialog and clever visuals. I like animation, superheroes. Yeah, I think I've got that. Sounds like I've very well, I guess. I guess of the four of us I've got the most diverse list. But to a minor monster in shadow, they're all kind of fun. Since cinematography, just see the pussycats kind of breaks breaks the mode, the mold a little bit. But it's comedy, satire, and I really I put that one on my list just because of hey, I had the impluvie so ill. Yeah, it had jester fifty six. Oh wait, what, you're sleeping, beauty, my Harry close is fifty nine. Yeah, let's go. It was. It was. That was pretty close, though. I was pretty close. All right. So this is run the longest we're I feel like we're getting we're running longer. Everything I didn't feel as long. So before this we were like this is this is going to be a short episode. I think we can have this up. I knew this was said. Like there was only like one overlap. Yeah, I was surprised. There was only one yeah, I know, I'm surprised by that as well. So I was trying to get some of my siblings to come on to fill the fourth speeds fourth seat, and they would have had overlap with me. Oh yeah, but, oh well, so that is that is the end of our show. So why don't you drop us a line? Do we debated at gmailcom or at t debated? Tell us what are your top five movies and maybe just include a line on one thing you love about it. Hey, if you want to write an essay on it, Oh yeah, that's great, but I probably won't read that. But Hey, if you if you just want to drop a top five and why you love them, or if you hated one of the movies we picked and you hate that movie, you know, let us know that as well. You're wrong. So you're telling your opinion. You. That's obviously where you can find the show. You can find me at Holy Golem, Jason. Where can people find you? And find me at comic X, comic exile or comic xilcom Ashley. All Right, few different places you can find Im. You can follow me on facebook at facebookcom slash the nerdy blogger. You can tweet me at the nerdy blogger. You can read my work on Fan girlishcom. I also write under the nerdy blogger there. I have a column that comes out every Wednesday called way back Wednesday, where I review one retro film each week. Also, you can read my blog at nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom for all of us here at doing debated. Goodbye. I see you real soon. Goodbye. Have Fun. Stone in the castle. I think they'll make it. It would take a miracle. I missed up tonight. I lost another fight St so, but I'll just start again. I keep fund I keep on hitting the ground. I always dad, I'm not see you. What's man's don't just thy down and get no baby with that. Get and long. I won't give up. No, I won't give it until I reach I'll start. Who I wanna try? Everything I want to try fail.

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