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Dearly Debated

Episode 22 · 1 year ago

I Changed My Mind

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're flip-floppin like we're John Kerry doing the worm on a beach, talking about shows and movies we changed our minds about! Greg kills Han Solo, Ashley bangs two coconuts together, Jason experiences the J. Jonah Jameson choir, and Nathanael makes band related innuendos!

No, it's not counting season, sir is. That's forever. It's season, season, fun, that season, leas that season, leas season, leason. Where that season? I say season and fire. So we are back. Well, we've been back for a little bit. What we've recorded to podcasts in two thousand and twenty one so far, two or three. But we finally have back from back from the abyss, Jason Daniel joining us. We're doing a purely virtual ones. We'll see how the audio quality turns on this one, but I think, I think it should be fine. But so, so, so, Jason. Here's what you missed from the soundboard from the horror show. A little bit of fuckering Dale. I'm blaming this old thing on you. Why? Why? Who? Oops, I forgot to have the why? Therea and I left a little candy man on there for you. Actually, I came for you. But what I just added? Here's what I just add to the sound board. So a little bit remember the titans does the term cruel and unusual in me, you little bit of psych good boys, I can't believe you've dumb. And then this one, which I think I will be using a lot. You are garbage. So we still talked about the sequel trilogy and every episode it's bigger. To come back. Don't call to come back. Sorry, do you say sequel trilogy? You are it's a sequel trilogy. Believe you dumb this. You need like to put me on that sound more. We all like new wait, but I already have you on here. Listen, Bro, I know I'm like at the bottom of the altos, but I am nowhere near James Old John. But here's the thing, I can fix that. Ready for this? Okay, now, that is definitely fun. So so, Jason, that's what you've been missing. Keeping a professionals always so I keep forgetting to introduce us. Every kid ask he's providing. You keep forgetting. We need to introduce ourselves. It's not everyone may know. I mean, if you're starting with this one, why? All right, you're telling with this one. Why? Cookod boys? But the power, you know, absolute power, cropts, absolutely, and having a soundboard for ups, absolutely. So I am nathaniel say, a great jedi texts Levinson. I used to have that on the side where it took it off with me. I am Breg life friend and I am chasing Daniel. I can't think of anything clever to say right now that I'm sure some will come to me that and I am Ashley. I know what I must do, Thomas, all right, today is it's kind of a little bit of a funk your episode when that we were when that was a little bit harder to think of things, maybe at least for me in terms of movies. We're thinking about movies or shows if you change your opinion on in a drastic way. So like a movie that you watch the first time and you're like, Hey, that was a good movie, but then the second and subsequent watching, she like that's not a good movie, or vice versa, where you watch it the first time like I didn't like that at all, but then after subsequent viewings, which I think that's the trick your one, because typically after you watch it once like that move was terrible, you won't go back and Rewatch it. But you know, I'm subsequent doings like okay, you know what I get it. I like this movie now. For TV's just I think it's like, oh, the first season was terrible, but you went back to it and got to the same season like okay, it actually gets really good if you ignore the first season. So we already talked about shows that went off the rails. I think ones where you're like it starts off bad and then I went back and realized it as actually really good. It's rarer than ones where it starts good, because most shows aren't a downhill path. Yeah. So, so think about this when the one that sticks out to me the most is the last Jedi, where I legitimately sat down Washington theaters and really enjoyed it, but then the more I thought about it and going back and rewatching it, I just didn't like it. Unlike so Horse Awakens, I kind of medium enjoyed and still it's kind of a medium enjoyment movie for me. I think the whole secret trilogy just looks bad once it's put together and...

...makes the whole sequel trilogy worse. But yeah, right of skywalker. Yeah, I watched and I was like that wasn't very good. Yeah, I wasn't like I hated that movie, but I was like that was not a very good movie and I probably won't go back to re watch it. Last Jedi I was very favorable towards initially and then later now it now it is I loathe it now. Yeah, I had a similar experience with the rise of Skywalker, where I enjoyed it in the moment. I got caught up in the emotional beats of it. Like there were several times where I audibly gasped in the theater and I like I even, like got a little choked up, shit few tears, and then I went home and thought about it I was like, oh, that's exact. Was Exactly. That was my last Jedi experience. But when I was sitting in for rise me, for ris of Skywalker, the moment I knew, I was like this was not a good movie was when they when they fake killed Chewbacca. Spoiler alert, we're that. was like, Oh damn, did they just really killed Chewbacca? That's a serious story moment. This might actually be like a an impactful movie. And then, like thirty seconds later, okay, and as soon as I saw your baking, I was like, okay, this movie has zero stakes. There is zero stakes in this movie. Yeah, yeah, nothing matters, like live or nothing. I was kindd of surprised about that and like, I mean, I don't know what the life span of wokies are. I feel like they're probably longer than human lifespans. But I don't know, I think that. Yeah, I mean, like NA, they ain't gonna Eyes Chewbacca, especially not when they got a younger actor playing Chewbacca who you know, like you got already got this this really tall dude on Hook for walk. I'll like, you can have all the Chewbacca you want. Yeah, I get the idea of like, Oh, you don't want to get rid of your your marketable characters, but at the same time they introduce a new droid every single movie and shift the spotlight onto them. Right about that? I like the droids. I don't know. My point is you can sacrifice one marketable character to introduce another marketable character, like all the characters on Solo. Yeah, well, I mean, but the thing is, as as mediocres the force wagon was, they killed Hon Solo. Well, I mean that has more to do with like Harrison Ford agreeing to come back and be Han Solo was just a shocking thing in general, just because, like, he notoriously does not like to talk about being on Solo and I think like kind of the deal he worked out is like well, if you want me to be Han Solo, I get to be Indiana Jones again. Yeah, Oh wait, so he's the blame for that garbage movie. Okay, so, so they wrote him a big fat check and then he, you know, he got to go out. He I feel like he had like a really like a pretty honorable, spoiler alert death sequence and and it made like since within the story, like I felt like that was like a good way out for him. But like the fact that they even got him to come back at all was shocking to me in the first place, just because he notoriously doesn't not like talking about being Han Solo, because he's other things that are way better. So, yeah, inderst having him come back is not a forcus forst ghost. Yeah right, that made no sense, but nothink in that movie made sense. No, no, and and and so similar. Similarly, Nathaniel I, I enjoyed the rise of Skywalker in the moment and then, like I went home and thought about it and I got really mad because it effectively erased a lot of the last Jedi, which is my favorite star wars movie. I know that is an unpopular opinion among this crowd, but I don't care, like pure well, I'm like, I'm sorry, like, if you like, like effective what you did was you just shot yourself in the foot because you you didn't like, do anything with the preexisting story. Yes, I understand, like, if you don't like stuff that have in the pre existing story, let's let's take that and move it into a different place. Like it's stupid just to like, Oh, we're just going to effectively nullify that this entire movie, with everything in this movie, with Fandor fanboy pandering. No, no, that's stupid. So, so I'm actually as much as I hated the last Jedi, I actually didn't like the fact that that they tried to, you turn all of it, because it meant we didn't go anywhere. I was like, look, you got it exactly. You have, you have what you have. Work with that. Yes, thank you, I agree. We're still we agree. Last shadow still last shadow was still terrible and although almost all the decisions that Ryan made were terrible. But nope, that is choice to me. But the choice to return them didn't make sense. Like you could have. There's a lot you could have done. I'll finished the trilogy here, because mine was was the force awakes. Did it text of the baby.

So for me the force awakens was a pretty iconic even now that I am not a fan of the movie. The Force Awakens. I think it's pretty bad. I think it's really bad. It's my first initial viewing experience of the movie. Is One of my favorite view experiences ever of a movie. It was an amazing moment. It's obviously this huge role. I mean Star Wars was thought to be completely over and then Lucas sells it to Disney. I'm a huge star wars fan and so I'm like going kind of crazy. My cousin lives in La and we're looking up what it's the best place on the on earth to watch opening night of Star Wars Woomans, and it says TLC Chinese theater in La in Hollywood, and so we're like all right, we got to do it. And so we're just sitting there refreshing the page the second the tickets come out and just as soon as they come out the whole site crashes. But he's keep refreshing, keep refession, keep quick. By the time it's kind of the same thing that happened with the when the prequels came out, and that he should give us so hard to get tickets that opening day and by the time we got in online. It's like sixty percent of the tickets have been taken for the opening night showing and we are literally just sitting there a seconds, you know, like and so we get in there and we read three tickets. Was Me, him and a friend made me go. We dressed up like Jedis. It's amazing anyways. So, on top of it being an amazing experience, if she thought the movie introduced a lot of interteen characters, I overlooked quite a few things and was obviously mews caught up a bit in the moment, but was very much just left. All three of US said the same thing in our long discussion afterwards what we were like. All right, it has potential to be really good, but it's it's all dependent on like the way that this whole, you know, series goes. The next one's really bad. It doesn't explain everything that's gonna be. This one the jambles. Looking back, I think it was filled just a bad movie outright, but obviously I wasn't a fan of how b this series went after that. And let's just say I didn't initially like the next two movies and somehow have liked them less. So the first one was the only one that kind of started off good and ended bad for me. So I'll just go cap off the trilogy. There's weeks. We all could pick one of the star wars than he though. Jason, do you? Did you have a similar experience with any of these sequel Trilogy Star Wars Films? Kind of a similar experience on the Force Awakens. are just kind of being lukewarm. Let's wait and see. And then a very similar experience, Junith Anuel, on the last Jedi, where I went in I was like, Oh, I really enjoyed that, and then I actually talked to you and Ryan and you were pointing out all the stuff you liked about I was like, yeah, that's pretty cool, and then the more I thought about it, the more I was just like no, no, that movie wasn't for me. At the day. They's not. We didn't turn them to the dark side. So it wasn't our faults. Our hands a clean so so, so, Jason, Jason, what's what's the internal temperature of a ton? Tom No idea. Lukewarm, Jay Jona Jamison liked it. I'm sorry. You said you were lukewarm on a star wars and this like dude, I can't believe you didn't make that joke. Why had ever heard that one? That's wow. Well, so this, this just is telling because I, you know, my day jobs. I work in social media. That's my bread and Brocker. So I'm me. That one hurt me physically. But so, here's the thing, like, I think, I think a lot of people who were complaining about the last Jedi got flak and it and rising skywalker to like people can play about the sequel trilogy got flat forything like Oh, you're are just fanboyfriend, girl or whatever. Right. It's like either they're not pandering enough, for their pandering too much, or this and that and the other, like you'll never be satisfied, and I'm like that's that's bullshit, because as much as I hate the sequel trilogy, I Still Love Star Wars and I love the place it's going and I'm excited to see them make new things. I don't want the franchise to die. I think it's a big enough universe that there's plenty to do in there and I'm glad the sequel trilie is over. They can finally like throw off the fetters of all this bold stuff which mando dipped into a little bit in second season, but it seems like has thrown that off again. Or third season, where all the all the crossover characters more or less are getting their own series, which I'm happy to see. Rosario Dawson a Sookatana series. I want to see that, but I also want to see Mando go be Mando again. So so, you know, being a fan is about enjoying you know and joining the stuff you know and not. You can, you cannot like something in a series or a universe or a setting or whatever and still be a fan of the series and still be excited when new stuff comes out. So well, and I would, I would say to even...

...though, like the four of us have differing opinions on various aspects of the sequel trilogy, I I mean I would definitely say that none of us like like. It's not that we aren't thinking critically about any of this. Like I think, like, even though I don't agree with you three about the last Jedi, I definitely wouldn't say that you all would think critically. Are Not thinking critically about it. I think that there's different things driving or interpretation. Yeah, and it's completely valid as as a literature person, like one of the things I love about literature and unlike, and I think now like literature has evolved to include film as well, like the way that you interpret a text. Like there's not necessarily a one hundred percent wrong way to interpret a text because, you know, everybody is bringing their own experiences and what's the work, like beliefs, and we're all we're all operating within our old own world view, and that is shaping how we interact with a piece of of literature or a text. You know, and and when I say text, I mean a story of film, TV, show, book, a short story, are you whatever in it? And I would even say like the story of a video game, like you could take it as far as that, because I think video games have some of the most interesting and best writing available nowadays. And now we have to do an episode on Best Video Game Stories. Yeah, now, and I'm gone retro Gamers. So I'm gonna like I'm going to do some deep cuts with like these Atari records, like about asteroids and centipating things like that, and y'all can handle it all. Anything new, I'll have some. I have some teeth cut stuff about centipede and asteroids. I think you'll really enjoy if you're not already aware of them. But anyway, stories for video games. Did you know that PAC man, sorry, Miss Pac man, was the first video game with cutscenes? I think I did know that and I forgot that information until you said it out loud. But I listen to a lot of podcasts on these subjects. So yeah, that's that's cool. Yeah, but anyway, like all of that to say, like, even though we all have differing opinions on various degrees of Star Wars, like, it's as not to say that I has to take to even say that one of us is more right than the other, because, I mean, it's an opinion, you know, I mean as much as often as I joke. Oh well, that opinion is incorrect because it's not mine. Like you know, it's funny to me that we can all like, Oh, I had this experience where I enjoyed it in the moment and then I hated it the more I thought about it. I think that that's that's really that's really fascinating to me that we all had that. Yeah, similar experience but within different context. That's pretty funny and if you want to get a deeper dive onto our opinions, at least Ashley Greg and my opinions, on the last Jedi episode nine. We actually had a debate where we actually had a debate. We talked about this, so we don't need to rehash it. So just say Jason came back and we instantly just jumped back to star wars. Yeah, and it was the it is a topic. So I believe you've done this, like I feel like maybe the last couple of episodes we have shot topped shockingly little about Star Wars. Well, I mean I didn't know how to link it to ROM coms. I tried. I love you, I know. There you go, nailed it. Well, yeah, all other potential for for Rom calm miss was in episode two and all of that was horrific. Soh My what what do you mean? Is Hot and course, and it gets everywhere. hatees, and that's course and really gets everywhere. Oh Man, okay, we're gonna move on from Star Wars. Yeah. So, so as I was thinking about this topic, I think a lot of the ones that that I was like, I enjoyed in theaters then later I was like I never need to go watch a movie again, a lot of action movies. So any transformers. Passed the first one because I think the first one still so pretty good. It's pretty good. Ironically. Enjoy the first. Yeah, I think the first one was good. The second one I watched once and I was like Hey, that was fun, and then later I was like did I lose brain cells? I think I did lose brain cells. The I didn't think the third one was too bad, but I mean that may also be my love of Leonard Nemoy lending it a slight bit of credence. The the the second movie, like I reviewed that one on my blog after I saw it in there, because I've been blogging that long after I saw it in the theater and it's like this is a two and a half hour long bathroom joke. Do Not Watch this movie. Terrible movie. Yeah, but I also think other ones. So, like I saw underworld, so the underworld series is like underworld, underworld evolution. I think both those movies are...

...actually pretty decent, even if they got really weird with the Lord's like wear wiles and Vampires, and this guy is half of both and so he's like commune, decide, I don't know. The Lord Got Weird. But they did like a prequel one was, which was a rise the LICHENS. That was terrible. Yeah, but it's funny heard that was that you mentioned that, because I figured nobody had seen those and that those are two movies that I really liked. Those two movies as like were WILF vampire type movies, and so I was like, man, I don't know a whole lot of movies that do them in a really gritty way that's not kind of a really hokey and Corny way. Felt very much like modern day and dark and yeah, you know, werewolves and the vampires fight like gangsters when they're not not werewolves, vampires like with guns and stuff. Yeah, and then occasionally they'll just go full on like the kind of revert into like their werewolf or or vampire mode. It just duke it out. So it was really but then I see it, look at me, make sure, make sure I'm thinking of the right one, because they were like four of them. Yeah, it after the first two, they made up whole bunch and they just got really played out in bad but I went back and watched the first one and was kind of underwhelmed. I was like, man, I'd have been a really long time and I told I was telling him, I'm like, Oh, it's a great Vampire Werewolf movie, and I just thought was kind of okay. There's actually going to be one that I mentioned where I was like, Oh, I don't hate it by any means. I didn't think it was terrible, but I think not as go as you remember well, and also his feedback of being like yeah, that wasn't that great. Now I was like, yeah, I think you're right. Really wasn't that amazing, but I still enjoyed it. You know, I just I think I hyped it up too much. Maybe it was kind of like life of Pie, life of pies the same way for me, life a Pie. For whatever reason, when I first watched it, my mind was blown and I was like everybody, you need to watch this movie. And then like the second, the third time watching, because I watched it once and I watch it immediately again with a friend. It was like yeah, and then the next time I watched it was like a month later, I was like wow, like what was that was? It was okay, like it's not a terrible movie, but I was like I wasn't going some crazy books. Yeah, so the first two underworld. So so my roommates in college we watched them and I was like, Oh, I really enjoy those in like yeah, yeah, this isn't two thousand and nine. The third one's coming out, so let's go watch it in theaters. It's like yeah, sure, let's do it now. I will say one thing that I always stuck out to me in underworld was the hybrid person when he transformed, looked so dumb, like the Vampires and wor worlds look pretty good, and then he's like this kind of scrawny ass looking. Yeahhyote got and I'm like, whom? The Dog? Yeah, I like who and he and he was blue and I was like who thought this was a good idea? This looks like absolute ass, like if you're going to make the he's more powerful than either one. Right, he does not look like he's more powerful than either one. Like among guys, he looks terrible. But anyways, so we went and saw the third one in theaters and I actually saw it in D and I remember there was only a single point in the entire movie where I noticed I was watching a d movie, and that was like someone gets thrown out of window and it like pans down to the alley and I was like, Huh, some of those palettes in the alley look like they're closer to me and I like I paid extra money for and after that I've never got to a d movie after that because I was like that was such a waste of money. There's a literally one point where I noticed it was a d movie. so He's gotten better. It has, I'm sure they say. I have never seen any of those underworld movies. They have literally been on my watch listens high school and I think the first two are as in the person rate their decent. Yeah, I've got a buddy that really enjoys them. I did hear like kind of mixed reviews about the liking this one that you mentioned, Greg. Yeah, that's the first to it. It's definitely like preference. If you like it, you yeah, I think apparently that's two more after that one. Yeah, I've watched either of those. At the rides likens, I was like, and just just to clarify, are those based on like a video game or a book series or comic Booky were straight up no idea. They certainly seem like they were based on or that or vice versa. Let's let's see hope. It seems like it's a well, was an original, original screenplay. Okay, okay, that's cool, like, I mean because those, those kind of were pretty fab like back in sale. Yeah, what, yeah, yeah, but they those, those were those were like those came about about the time. They sort of that was like bright at the threshold of it's the the era of the reboot and the adaptation and you know all of that stuff. So That's interesting because those were like early S, I believe. Yeah, I want to say like two thousand and one and two thousand and four, maybe. Yeah, so, so. Fun fact, I've had a NETFLIX DVD subscription since two thousand and eight and I'm pretty sure mine had. Those movies have been on there for that long. I'm still like, so, do you not want me to read this, this kind of spoilery plot summer? Dude, I don't care at this point. They mean they've been off. They've literally been on my latch whish for almost twenty years at this point. Able Chock that haven't been spoiled...

...already. I can sale is, you know, it's revenge plot. They're chasing some human name Michael Cord for experimentation that a lot of the wasteling discovers not only immutinous plot to destroy the vampire elders, but also a shocking revelation about her father figure, Elder Victor. The Vampires and Lichens are not supernatural creatures, but rather the product of a virus. It is revealed in the film that the first vampire, and Lin, was a survivor of a plague. Yet three sons, one got bitten by a bat, became the vampire line, one got bitten by a wolf. I cut the Werewolf flying. So what you telling but this movie is telling me, is that we could have had, like we're toads and Vampire Salamanders if they've got bitten by different animals, and I really think that's the direction that should have gone in. Is like how you're going to take all the Mystique Alamander? You're going to take all them. You're going to take all the mystique out of Vampires, like, sorry, vampire spiders, spider people, you're gonna take all you're gonna take all the mystique out of werewolves and vampires with being like as just some virus, that it just happened. You know these things happen. Life finds a way. They call it the vampyric germ. Yeah, it's a virus. It's funny, I didn't really make that it was covered of virus. It's the original COMNA virus. Say, Jason, have you seen any of these movies? Because I have not. I've seen, I believe, the first two, but it's been a while and I've only seen them once. I remember enjoying them. A friend similar experienced one of you guys. A friend just was like you need to watch these. We sat down, we watch both two of them and honestly, I don't remember a whole amount, a whole lot about them, but I do remember enjoying them thinking they're pretty cool. All right, yeah, I think that's that's they were pretty cool. They're very catchy, but they, I mean the action was well done. It was, yeah, some cool compellings and also, at least the first one. I'm trying to think of the second one. I believe a lot in the second one too. It's practical effects as far as like the werewolves are these big are these big animatronic costume puppet things. So like it's it kind of stands the test of time. It's they're not trying to do a ton of CGI to where it ages poorly. You know, it looks very cool. There's like one specific scene that I always liked a lot where like the werewolves are in these like are in these like like they're in like the sewer system and like whatever is a big city, and so that maybe may one's coming back in. Two of them are just fighting in a big circle and every else is cheering on and as you like enters the room, they all stop and like the two one it's like turn, look at look at the main guy, lution, and they slowly like as the cameras coming towards them, as the cameras kind of acting asolution. They like turning from Wolf back to human, and you see it right in front of you. The look slowly like turn back, and it's really well done. I think it's one of the cool scenes that by the end, once he gets there, there left just like breathing heavily and they're all like, you know, sweaty, and it's just like Oh, like it's a really cool transition. But yeah, I think there's so it's a good one. So some interesting stuff from the WIKIPEDIA. The film was subject to Copyright Infringement lawsuit claiming the setting was too similar to the vampire the master aid and where will the apocalypse games? So they get sued by the Vampy, the masquerade people. The lawsuit ended in a confidential sediments though settlement. So there's that. Thirty one percent on rotten tomatoes, but a B plus audience score on Cinema Score. So, and Rod, you Ebert said, this is a move. Sorry, this is a movie so paltry and its characters and shallow in its story that the war seems to exist primarily to provide graphic visuals. Damn, tell like it is. Eber Dang. My right, Jason. Let's hear one. By any reasonable standard, this dark vampire epic, all massive overacting, Cologne, commercial design and sexy cat suit, sucks, but at least it gives a crap. That was labor. That was Andrew here. Oh, Oh, here or here. All right, you know, it's like, well, at least they tried. That is literally the review. They tried, and the Ebre, just like you, were garbage, Jason. Throw one out there. Don't know. For us. All Right, I'M gonna I'm gonna go with one that I in it initially didn't like and ended up coming back to unloving and I'm going to lose a little bit of Nerd cred here, although I think I've given this away a tiny bit in previous episodes by not knowing a quote or two. The first time I tried to watch Lord of the Rings now, I couldn't get into it and it was a right when they came out. I had no idea about the world or anything. I may have just been tired the first time I tried to watch it, but coming back and I absolutely adore those movies now because they're awesome practical, practical effects are amazing. It's great story, but first time I tried to go through it didn't give me get into it at all, and then had the exact opposite experience, well, not the exact opposite, almost the opposite experience with the hobbit movies. I went in. Man, I'm really, really hoping to enjoy this and then I just I can't go I can't bring myself to keep going back and watching those, as much as I...

...want to. Yeah, want to love them so and and to clarify the like. There's a bit of an age range here. I am the oldest. I'm thirty five, Jason. How old are you can be thirty the end of this month. Okay, so, so so, you would have been approximately like ten or eleven when, Oh yeah, when the fellowship of the ring came out. So I'm a give you as as the resident old person. I will give you a pass for being ten eleven and not being able to get into the fellowship of the ring, because that's a really long movie to expect a consider eleven roll aboard to sit through. You know, now that I'm thinking about it, part of the issue was the atmosphere as well, because I think we decided to rent it on this big family trip where it was me, my family, both of my mom's brothers and their whole families, and there were literally people that were asleep, that sleep through basically all movies with like the first few minutes, and you know, I had younger cousins talking over it and all that kind of stuff. So it's just it could not hold my attention with the gigantic room of people on the small rental television and our vacation place. Yeah, it conditions were not ideal. They were not any experience with for the rings because the first time I I was on a camping trip. I mean it was like lamping. We we were in a tent, like at a campsite, but we're still close enough to the city and we were staying for three or four days. Of My family, I was nine maybe, and they're like Oh, we're going to go see Lord of the Rings, and I had already seen the previews and I'm like that movie is going to scare me, like I have no idea. Likely told my parents I might have been you know what that was? What two thousand, two thousand and one was when the fellowship of the ring came out. I was say I that came out I think like late two thousand and one. So I would have been a junior in high school just it was December, because it was right after Christmas that we went. So it was I was I just turned nine, and so I'm telling parents like I don't want to see it. Every sound eight million years old. Everybody, everybody was like we need to go see this. So we end up going and my parents taught about this moment. It's like one of the worst parenting decisions of their life, and I'm like those that bigger deal. Anyways, I get like of course, I get the Jesus scared out of me. You know, terrifying that movie is. Like I don't know any part of the story of Lord of the ring so like I'm just watching through it and then like all of a sudden, like bilbows, like when he screams and goes with the ring. I let that is terrifying. Oh No, I don't want to jump too but I mean, to be fair, I'd never I'd never read any of the stories and you know, until after I saw the films, when so literally I'd never wanted to leave anywhere or than I did in that moment and I was like I was just like well, like, this is horrible. It's like it's a don't look. And so I watch this whole movie. It's incredibly depressing. I mean I watched, I watched like Gandalf fall. I watch for me or get killed at the hobbits get taken. I'm like what am I? This is horrible, like I'm so sad, and then I'm just terrified like the next three or four days. But it's funny movies that have done that to me, because signs is another one that did that to me. MMM. They've turned into some of my favorite movies of all time, and I think it's also because I have such a strong emotional connection to them. Even though it was negative. That really strong emotional connection makes it feel so real that when I go back and watch it I can still connect to those feelings I had initially and I'm like man, this is so it's done so well. It's scared a little nine year old and he wanted to die, like that's how good it was, like good job, movie, you did good being menacing, because it was attempting to be menacing and it did a good job. So, yeah, that's my brother Ring Cory. Well, well, Greg, if it makes you feel better. Like. So, I didn't see fellowship of the ring until I don't even know, because my I am I'm the lone nerd in a family of read next, and so I don't know what prompted my mother to grab a used copy of the fellowship of the ring from Hastings, which was I don't know if you all ever had a hastings near you growing up. Nope, never heard that. So so hastings it now it is now defunct, but it was a music, movie, Book Media Store and they dealt in like used a new you know, products and things like that, so you could like bring stuff to trade in. Anyway, my mom bought like three use DVD's in one visit to hastings and two of those three would become very influential for me. One was the fellowship of the ring, the other was signs. Yeah, the tooth scared me. That's last yeah, yeah, so, but if it makes you feel better, Greg, like I was kind of curious to watch the Lord of the Rings. I didn't really have a lot of context for it other than I remembered watching...

...the rank and Bass Hobbit when I was a little kid. That kind of is terrifying to look at in rex. He really is like like, I mean those were Ralph back. She did the did he just? He just do the he just did the fellowship of the ring and the and then the two towers right, or did he do or did he do the Hobbit as well? I don't remember. I don't know who that is, okay, but anyway, I remember seeing ads for the Hobbit on the Disney Channel Annal when I was a little kid and the the dragons scared me. I was maybe like four at the time. But like the dragons scared me, but the the narration they they put over these ads was like very solemn and somber and like this is a very serious, like fantasy film. Maybe should watch if you are a grow up child what like. So, so, like that was like all of my knowledge of Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings in the Hobbit at the time, and so I was like, well, I don't know, I know Elijah would because he was in all these movies I watched as a little kid, like north. So I'll watch the lot of the rings also because it's a fantasy movie and I like fantasy story. So I'll watch it and I really enjoyed it. But like, I started watching it on a night where I am notoriously a bad sleeper. I just I've gotten better about it in recent memory, but like, on the whole, like I will wake up at two or three in the morning and won't go back to sleep for two or three more hours. So I will. I basically I got in the habit where like, oh well, it's to thirty and I'm wide awake and not going to do anything, so I might as well go into the living room watch a movie. So I started watching the fellowship of the ring and that those opening sequences, like with the ORCS and stuff, like they freaked me out a little bit. That was like sixteen, watching the gregs. So I mean then this was this was before I really enjoyed horror films. So I mean take that with a grain of salt, because now I'll watch horror movies all day and go to right to bed. So yeah, but anyway, like if it makes you feel better, like I was still like, oh, that was a little creepy, like like I school kids. Yeah, fellowship of the ring. That's that's an interesting one, Jason. But yeah, like I can definitely see how like conditions in the first watch may have contributed to yeah, you know less than experience. What's one that you guys have watched and like initially you were underwhelmed and then as you watched it more, I think that's probably would be a harder one. Yeah, I feel like guess the harder category because again, if you didn't like it, you tend not to go back to it. You know. See that was the easier really is not necessarily like hating it and then going to liking it, but something that you were kind of indifferent about and like okay, and then realized, wow, that kind of like. Think of like your favorite movies. Where they always your favorite movies? Or did some of them? Like it took a little while. Then you're like, Oh wow, when did I voiced her? I cannot, I cannot remember my top five movies. I cannot remember ever being indifferent too. whihould talked about doing the boats, Princess Pride, remember the titans, got pilgrim, orchester and Utopia, all of them I've always remembered loving from the from the word go. I've got one and and maybe maybe a second, a pretty good one for this category. And so one movie that I watched that I just I was like, I don't understand why anyone likes this movie is Monty Python and the Holy Gril, MMM, which I like. Now I love Monty Python, but the first time I watched it, so my Buddy Stephanie, one of my very best friends from high school. She are still really close friends. She, like I, was very familiar with monty python the holy Gril. So when I was in high school I was in marching band and I so I knew all the quotes because it's in in the in the marching band, everybody loved Monty Popathicon, and so everybody to quote Monty Python all the time. So, like I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts deletiately. Here they are standing in a row about my PA Wat. You know, I knew the coconut song. I knew the whole thing about King Arthur and his his man Patsy, and they're writing and they're they're like, because we would do a during band camp every summer. Please do not quote American pie at me, because that's not what happens at band camp. We like that was terrible and I've still, to this day, never seen it because of that reason, I was in marching band. This is not how it works, at least not in the marching band that I, you know, was in. But whatever way. Anyway, sorry, Ashley, you're telling me that all the guys don't get their penises stuck in their wound instruments too. I mean, I kind of band camp and you're running.

I mean, I was a sax player, I'm a lady so and you didn't put your penis in it, Ashley. Is that what you're talking about? That's not how that works, but whatever, anyway, didn't. Metaphorically, I don't ut. Wow, how would that even function? And metaphorically, may have put my penis in the saxophone right. No, no, we're not gonna know. I don't stick I'm going in apple pies either for that matter. I know, I swear that movie was just like Hey, what can we stick our penises in next? Like yes, I mean that was basically the premise of the whole movie as I understand it. Still again, not seen it whatever. Moving on, Monty Python was the movie that got lots of quotes, not American Pie, although I did have a friend who would say one time at band camp I got son burned and that was like the end of the story, because we all did got some burn because we are all very pale people. But anyway, Monty Python, like we would do like the seniors every year at band camp would do like a senior skit and half of the thing alight, or like a senior show and half of the skits in there. We're like Monty Python. So I knew about like you know, patsy clapping the coconuts together for King Arthur as he galloped into town. I knew the whole thing about he got better or and and like. So I knew all of the lines. And so my freshman year of college, my Buddy Stephanie was like wait, wait, I'm sorry, you haven't seen monty python in the holy girls. Like no, I haven't, I just know all of these lines from it because of band camp, and she's like, Oh, we're going to fix this. And so she came over one day and we had like a movie day and we watched a whole bunch of movies that day and one of them was mighty pyth on the holy grail and I watched it as like I really don't think this is that funny. I just I just I don't get it, and she's like what, what is wrong with you? And so I'm like okay, whatever, maybe this is just me just not getting it. That's fine, and and I just I left it there. Approximately a decade later, I'm in Grad School and I'm in my modern SCI FI class and I'm writing my final paper on ready player one and how ready player one is a science fiction story that uses a fantasy structure, and one of the things if you've read ready player one, you know that Monty Python on the holy grail plays a very prominent part in the finale of the book, not so much in the movie. So I'm I'm breaking down Monty Python and the holy grail for this paper, and so I I am like, all right, fine, it's been a while since I've seen this, I should probably revisit it, even though I'm pretty familiar with the dialog. And so I watch it and I don't know if it's just that it's late at night and I'm watching this because I've got a I you know, I'm working full time and I'm doing Grad School. I you know, I'm I'm getting in my work in where I can. So it's pretty late at night and I'm watching this movie and it's really funny, like this is hilarious. I'd like, I'm having a good time, I should watch this again just to make sure I'm getting everything and so I restarted the DVD and I started watching it again and I'm laughing even harder this time. I rented this movie from the Library and so I've got it for three or four days and I probably watched it ten times in that in that time span in which I had it from the library, and it gets funnier and funnier and funnier and funnier every time I watch as like what was wrong with me that I did not enjoy this movie the first time I watched it? This is hysterical. So for me, Monty Python in the Holy Gril is that movie. I'm sorry, it took me forty six rabbit trails to get to this conclusion that I did not like it the first time and I enjoyed it by the end. So now I love Monty Python and the holy girl and I will put it on if if I need something fun to watch the background, if I need something lighthearted, if I need something that is, you know, just I need. I need a distraction and I know I will laugh in it, no matter how many times I've seen it. Monty Python and the Holy Gril, that's what that was. That was mine movie. I did not enjoy the first time and now I love it. You got two handfuls of coke and that's a Yep, banging them together. It is. I think I've told my monty python story on the PODCAST, but a friend was like is some where. Your friend was like, Hey, let's watch this movie, and I was like, I don't want to watch this movie. was like, if you don't laugh through the black night scene, we won't watch the movie. And I managed to not do it. I was like, Nope, stop what you're doing, but the movie a we're watch the whole thing. That was hilarious. I'm just better than you. My Self Control, my self control is impeccable. I think also like in that in that maybe ten year time span I gained a greater appreciation for absurdist humor. Yeah, definitely, it's definitely I did not have as much when I was like high school, Early College, and now I'm...

...a like please, let me watch all the absurd movies. Yes, it's definitely like a little more of a quiet a sort of thing. But, as I was saying, I am the master of self control, ash of self control. Funny thing about about money python like I grew up with cousins who were like obsessed with it, like could quote, like my oldest cousin was in theater and really impressive, like memory me and singing, and he could literally like just quote the entire movie with accents and everything, and so I grew up thinking it was really funny, but then it just funny. I don't know. If any of you guys have ever gotten into life of Brian, which was their second one. I have not watched life of Brian. Ryan has life of Brian and enjoys it. Yeah, like I mean in some Christian circles it's gotten flat because it's not really sacrilegious at all. Doesn't doesn't have any blasphemy, but it tells the story of like the next door neighbor of Jesus who was born in the same day. It's thanks Brian and it's like the wiseman initially go to his house but then they realize it's Nsis they? I mean it has some amazing scenes that are just classic, but anyways, recommend going watch it. Back on track, though, I was thinking about movies that I just kind of watched and I didn't think much of but then kind of came back and really liked them, and I think the majority of them are less like like not your typical action movie, like like, for instance, I don't know if you ever seen before midnight or before sunset or after so one of the three, the three of them, they the three of them with Ethan Hawk and the French girl. They're considered to be, you know, some of the greatest people call them. Some people call him the greatest romantic movies ever. But it's it's even hawk in this girl and it's like a super raw film, very few cuts in the whole movie. So it's very much like a like it's supposed to be. You know, two hours of time they spend where he meets her on the train and they talk and then they been, they get off the train and they go walking around in Paris or wherever and they just kind of keep talking about life and in two hours later, like they're kind of like okay, and I want to spoil anything, but they're like okay, well, in in one year, I'm planning on coming back and I'll meet you right here, and I like, I don't want your number or anything, and that's kind of how they leave it. And then they make two more movies and both the movies are timeline sufficient, which means that like the second one, I think, was made ten years later or five years later, and it takes place with the characters five years later and they're like hey, I haven't seen you in this you know whatever. And then the last one was made like fifteen years or ten years after. So it's a super large gap, and so they're older and see, it's like it's modern day. Ethan Hoff was made recently, and this girl and again they're all shot very similarly. These are obviously movies that when I initially watching was like, okay, bole ring talks and stuff like that walks and I'm not interested. But I watched them earlier, I guess, not earlier this year. So two thousand and nineteen, maybe earlier, early two thousand and twenty. I've watched all three of them and I was like blown away. I think those three movies, as far as what they're trying to do, are like incredible. I think they're all three definitely worth a watch. Their super you get sucked into the story big time. Ethan Hoff is incredible, like he deserves an academy ward for all three of them. The girl, I think those are really her only big films. I mean think she's Pritty actress. If I can interject, Greg I believe the actress you're thinking of is Julie Delpe, Julie Delpy, okay, yeah, and these are the before midnight, before UN set whatever films. Yeah, I am, I'm looking at her. I am DB right now. Looks like she is about to do a series that is in in post production called on the verge. She's consistently worked since like, I mean she's got stuff in every year since one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight, pretty much. She started acting very young, but maybe in lesser know than things in the US. Yeah, she's excellent. I just know she's less of a household name than either. Yeah, but anyways, those were definitely movies for me that like when I watched in the second time, and I think obviously just with my profession and being able to appreciate certain parts of film now as opposed to before I started doing this, I can just look at that and be kind of blown away at the acting prowess to be able to to hold a very emotional conversation, you know, for twelve minute scene with no cuts. You know, as they're walking down a street and as I'm assuming tons of doubles, I mean tons of extras, are having to constantly re walk their marks and constantly reshoot the scenes, and just the...

...amount of effort that goes into that and and how quickly you just get sucked in because you're like wow, like no time is being cut like I'm just I've just been listening to this conversation for the last two hours and I'm like so engaged and you're like that's pretty crazy. It's just a way that a movie can make you feel that most movies don't make you feel, and I feel like it flies a little under the radar, but if you're ever going to watch like romantic movie, like Hey, what's it, a solid romance like that is, in my opinion, the best. Those three movies all very good and I think Ethan Hawk tends to choose projects like that more recently in his career. I mean, I think like when he was younger, he was doing I mean again, I'm a little older than you guys and I'm also a lady, so I remember like getting like Tiger beat and other teenage bopper magazines and having what you say, Tiger beat? Oh yes, sir, I said Tiger beat. How else am I going to get all these hands and literally never heard of that in my life? It's because you are a dude. I thought you could say is because I was born in the S. I would have also accepted that answer. Well, no, I mean like I was born in the mid S and so, I mean I was. I was a middle school girl in like the mid S. so, googling tiger beat, yes, go for it. As far as I know it's still on publication. But my life and all things cool, it looks like it's still still still going. I'm surprised. I mean to my knowledge it's been going since like the S so, yeah, six founded in sixty five by two dudes. Yeah, wow, well, they sure know how to market them middle school girls. Anyway, I think about some of the things I've seen Ethan Hawk in and in later years. I think specifically about first reformed. That came out in two thousand and nineteen, I believe. Did I any of you that or no, excuse. Wow, that was longer ago than I thought. Two thousand and seventeen. Did either of you, three gentlemen, ever see first reformed? Never heard of it. Please go watch first reformed. First reformed is a great film for watching. Is You say first reformed? Yes, as in like that's the name of the Church, that Ethan Hawk is the past. Okay, got you got shit in this film. I think first reformed is really interesting because it deals with a lot of really good ethical questions that Christians face in or have have faced in recent years, like regarding not just like environmental stuff, but, you know, how do you move forward with these complicated issues? And I feel like it really does a good job of dealing with these issues honestly. So I would definitely recommend that film. I was a really powerful film. I've only saw I've only seen it one time and I still I like there are points in my day, like almost weekly, where I think about first reformed. But I think I think Ethan Hawk is really interesting in that Alec how he kind of ref he kind of went from these like teeny bopper films like well, and I would even say like dead Poet Society's a Teeny Bopper film. But, like you know, he was a teen heartthrob and so he went from like being a teen heartthrob to something like Gaddica in one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. Dadka is such a good movie. Gadaka has a excellent science fiction film and it will and just an excellent film like period, because it ask really solid, like ethical questions. I honestly thought that GATTICA was like closer to my fears of bioethics, like what will really will happen in actuality, because we're getting actually close to that sort of technology where people are going to be sorted based on their jeans. No, I totally agree. I think. I think the questions that Gadica asked or just as relevant today as they were in one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. Yeah, so films like that and like playing hamlet and, you know, doing all of these these big roles to rolls like what Greg mentioned, in these before films and and in first reformed, where he is like he's really evolved in his craft and interesting. Love enough, looks like he's going to be in Moonnight, the one of the Big Marvel TV series that's come o. That one should be really interesting, especially given how interesting wand division is turned out. I'm really excited for moon night. I I'm excited for me because, I mean, being a big marvel person like I was not super familiar with the character. I Will Happily Watch Oscar Isaac be anything, I don't care. There's a three, several different things playing that character. Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I show this to Greg, but the a guy did like a skit about all the people who didn't get into avengers and game and and one of them is moonnight. Is like interviewing, like Moonnight, and punisher. And like punisher, what do you read? The party guns. Now I got that and like Blay, like it. Oh, but he's like played. There's no vampires. And then game we have. Why do you think there were no vampires? And then games, play field the ball, and moon us like Bro I got all the powers of the...

...moon. What does that even mean? Moon night? Well, yeah, you're here's a fun fact I learned somewhat recently. Did you know Oscar Isaac was in a Christian Sca Band? And wait, wasn't that tell me? Certainly to tell me it wasn't the Wus? No, it was not the W's. I only thought would make me flip. So so if you use twitter and you are a Christian and you're a little weird like me, I would recommend that you follow the Weird Christian twitter folks on twitter, because those are really fun. But you get to learn fun facts like, Oh, did you know Oscar Isaac was in a Christian scaband? I'm going to Google this because I can't remember the name of the band. Well, the other side isn't really have anymore that they didn't like. It. Liked initially and now they don't like. I feel like for me, a lot of sequels come to mind. Yeah, we talked. Yeah, guess like I think, when I get into like really good you know, I excited about a new fantasy movie or something, you know, or just like like Jurassic Park comes out, or more like the pirates of the Caribbean, any of these movies that'd really like. We even mentioned transformers, which I thought started off strong, and they just continue to make sequels and like they just trap you in there because they're such solid ideas. I mean Jurassic Park was kind of the first mainstream, you know, dinosaur experience ever. So you're like, if you want to see dinosaurs, is where you go. So you're so trapped in and so you're just like, okay, let's watch the next one, let's watch the next one. And I've always just thought of the Jurassic Parks as like this collection of these three movies until I've gone back and watched him and been like the second ones, that that great, and the third one is straight garbage. Yeah, the third one you were garbage. I mean like seriously, go back and watch it and you'll be like the pacing of this movie makes me like none of the movie makes any sense. There's that weird scene where he's like Alan, Alan, he's a blass the raptor. Oh, if nobody is nobody knows what the scene is. He like. The main Guy Falls Asleep and you know he's having this like rousing dream and all of a sudden here's Alan and he turns and it's just it's a bloss the raptor in the bloss raptor opens about that, says Alan. So it's like slide. It's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. Yeah, but I think, I think a lot of movies have done that. Pirates of the Caribbean, I don't think of the same extent because, although it had the same kind of trickle down effect, I thought the second one was kind of like you're getting a little weird and the third one was like, okay, you're definitely ready to end, because you are, you're really out there. But the get what they made two more. Actually it was the same thing the Jurassic Park. I mean you got the address, all right, the we talked about this, but the new, the first drastic world, first Jurassic world the premise of well, dinosaurs are boring. I'm like, are you what? In what world? What? What kind of would ridiculous fantasy world is this? Where people have gotten tired? People are still going to regular zoos? Are you kidding me? It's such a bad premise. Yeah, I think that. Like, like I said, I think I think tired. Pirates of the Caribbean has a similar feel as to wear. Like the first movie, in my opinion, was really incredible and I could still go back and love that movie. I mean, I've been made off of it was a made off of a ride, the ride that yeah, right, right, and that's impressive that it's essentially just a in original screenplay and they capture everything. It's fun, it's a little scary, a lot of action, there's good drama, it's hilarious. You introduced characters that are iconic now forever, like Jack Sparrow, like no card, that is to introduce a character that is just instantly and I mean everybody knows Jack Sparrows. Well, I would say that a lot of yeah, so pirates of the Caribbean was one movie where Naomi Wash III showed it to Naomi and Abbey for the first time and they was like yeah, I don't think I really liked that movie and I was like like taking a back offended, like it's a great move. How do you not like that movie? Yeah, it's a Greek film, like I love the first one. I was kind of me on like yeah, yeah, absolutely, two and three were met, but the first one, I think, is still goodness, still holds up. Oh yeah, the first one it. But that goes along with the theme of what I was saying, where is, when I first watched the the second and third I thought they're very enjoyable and fun, and then now, when I go back and watch them, lesser and lesser every time. Yeah, at least sequels have to do that a lot. I'm trying to think of there out well. So I'm wondering if, because I talked about the matrix sequels, make sure, Jason something you didn't think about the matrix sequels. Right, I don't think of them fondly, but I do want to go back and rewatch them in preparation for Matrix for so my my opinion might change on those. So I'm curious to see if I'll look on those movies...

...more favorably upon subsequent viewings. Totally missed that there was going to be a matrix for yeah, it's been a development for a while now. Yeah, I mean I'm just already preparing for that one to be. To be a stanker. It'd be the pirates of the Caribbean, Ford and eight. I'm actually like super curious as to how they're working in neo and trinity. Well, it's like those are both like, those are the first two characters. You hear they're going to be in the like as right. As we know now there are no characters in the entire movie except for two, and those. Both of those characters are dead. And so, yeah, so I'm really curious as to how they're going to do it. Could be it's either going to be there's, he's, there's not. It's not going to be a mediocre movie. It's either going to be really interesting and really fun to watch or it's going to be just utter abominable, pure trash that needs to be burned with fire. I don't think it can be a mediocre movie. The Matrix movies for me are like I know that they digress as far as like qualities like like in like a critical acclaim, like the first one being great, the second one being like a little worse and then the third one kind of dropping off a little bit. They're all three still pretty like decently high enough. That's not like the other ones we mentioned, but I'm a huge fan of all three of them, right and most like. Obviously the first one, instant, I agree, stands out the most, but I think they all three Co exist very well, aside from the CGI eating not that great, and the second one for a couple scenes the movies, I think all three are great. But yeah, I think I've just no optimism about the fourth one. I'm kind of like let it let yeah, I want to watch it because I'm more than anything, I'm curious as to how they're working them back in. Well, and I will say I did not watch any of those movies. Well, we're traction. I saw the first one and maybe two thousand and fifteen and that was that was the one and only time I saw and then we ran and I watched them with a with a body maybe in two thousand and eighteen, two thousand and nineteen, we watched all three like on a Sunday. We took like the whole afternoon evening and watched all three films and I really, really enjoyed all of them. I thought they were all fun movies. And then, I think in two thousand and nineteen, for like the twenty anniversary, I got to go see the original film in Dolby, which was really cool. Like, if you all have sound design is really good. Yeah, like the sound is really good. I was actually still like really impressed with how well some of the CGI and and and text stuff actually still yeah, it's age surprisingly well, like while still being somewhat dated. Yeah, definitely holds up very, very well on the whole. I was very impressed with that, even getting to see it in like an adolbe transfer, which is, you know, if you've never watched a film in Dolby one, like if you go see a film in Adobe Theater, prepared to just like feel your seat buzz the whole time because the the dolby speakers, like the speakers are within the seats and also all around you. So it's a really big sound experience. But also, like dolby transfers of films or films that are filmed specifically for dolby digital screenings are really, really high quality so the fact that they were able to take a film that was filmed in thirty five milli leader millimeter and and do a really solid, high quality transfer to Dolby and it still looks good is saying something for the quality of the filmmaking that went into that first film. So I I personally really really enjoyed it and that was one where I have enjoyed it more on subsequent viewings, and part of it is just understanding more about what's happening, yeah, but also just really appreciating it as like I personally did not really have a taste for cyberpunk for a very long time. Ready Player won't kind of, you know, switch that around for me. So a lot of cyberpunk films that I had kind of like me or passed over because I'm like, I don't really like Cyberpunk, is too dark or whatever. And like ready player one really shifted that for me because that's like my favorite science fiction book. So things like the Matrix and blade runner and you know, things like that have really shifted for me. A ghost in the shell as another one where I didn't like it the first time in and again now I really enjoy and appreciate them on a completely different level. So yeah, honestly, I can think of more. So I think I might tastes have kind of matured and that I prefer. I'm happy to sit down and watch movies that are dialog driven. I was never really a lot of my movies did have a lot of dialog and it like Princess Bride, like...

Court Chester, that are very dialog heavy but also have action scenes and things like that. So, you know, as a young male, as a teenage male, being influenced by other teenage men, you know they're like wow, bro actually movie these but guns violence. That another right, and I never, you know, like fully bought into it, but I would say I would, I would lean more action oriented and kind of avoid, you know, Rom coms and things like that, not although not a hundred percent, but I think that that really changed for me when I went and saw good night and good luck, HMM, which is basically a purely dialog driven movie, and just being and I've never been much for historical movies either, watching that, being like that was an excellent movie, you know, jaw droppingly good movie, but I think, you know, in terms of movies that that I would enjoy now that I wouldn't have enjoyed. Probably, you know, fifteen years ago, I think, when Harry met Sally would qualify as one, because that again, movie was one hundred percent talking, early dialog driven, I think, for me. But mostly it's been movies that when I go back to revisit, movies that I remember fondly and I go back and rewatch them now and I'm like this movie is not good. And so I mentioned swan princess because I was like, I spend years since I've watched this one. Princess, let me just you know, watch the the the first three. Watch the first one. Still Fantastic. Movie still holds up. First Swan princess is a masterpiece. I don't say that super lightly. It really is an amazing movie. Second One, I think I got halfway through it. I was like I can't watch this anymore. Yeah, it's like it was like the voice acting was just so bad. Everyone sounded like they were board out of their minds. I didn't understand what happenings like. I remember enjoying this movie a lot. This is bad. This is almost unwatchably bad. So it is interesting to go and re watch movies that you enjoyed as a kid you're young and impressionable and seeing what holds up and what really doesn't, and also acknowledging, like you know, I would have mentioned this. I I should have mentioned this during the the garbage. But like back before, like tangled, Disney was. This was this is like the late S. Disney was pumping out straight to DVD garbage sequels. The younger kids might not remember this, though you like you know you didn't. I said younger kids. Actually, Bro I still remember almost card but equals. But so, yeah, it's exactly syderail two and three mool on to and so, yeah, Disney had this, have this habit of just pumping out straight to DVD garbage. And then, I think who came in? They change. Someone came in. I think the guy from see, the head of Pixar. When Disney bought Pisarre, part of the deal was that the head guy at Pixar got a top spot at Disney and he was like, all right, we're not doing straight to DVD garbage anymore. It was making Disney a lot. It was it was a from a from a purely fiscal standpoint. It was the wrong decision to make because they were making a killing with that garbage. It was really cheap to make and it got them so much money. But you know, every now and then Disney will make a creatively forward decision, every now and then. But one of the ones that I probably the only one that's like even decent is lion king to. Yeah, I don't think it's a great party. Pretty good, yeah, pretty, but it has, you know, it's got a first of all, the when he gets cast out like this aption, this gray, so good, so good. It has in UPENDIS which me and my siblings determined was actually a filthy Disney trick. Right as it's still is this love song, but it's down in your panties, ha, ha ha. And this is not me that came up with this theory. This is my older sister who came up with this theory. So and and well, I'll say, because I I might be fairly close in h to your older sister, I've only seen Li king to once and I was in like eighth grade, and it completely that that was not a thing that crossed my mind. Aside, if you are very curious about the scab band that Oscar Isaac was in, do a do a google search for he was in a couple of different ones, one being the blinking underdogs, the other the worms. Anyway, yeah, Lion King. To I that totally went over my head. Yeah, I don't think it was intended that way. I think that was just my older sister making a dirty joke and to be honest, like, I will get all the dirty jokes nowadays, but I'm probably not the person that's going to make film soon. Yeah, I would say space jam is not a great movie. I still will watch it and I'm look at it very fondly, but Michael Jordan's acting is Stankonia. All right, but okay, so it's really funny that. So I'm big in Mangan anime, right, right, and there's a specific genre called esay Kai, which is basically you get transparred to another world, right, and it's blown up over the last three four years. It's become huge, become one of the biggest genres where this like their diamond. Doesn't now typically it's framed of like Oh, I'm in the like, you know, like an RPG style world where I have magic and and this and that and the other. But someone was like my top...

...for Esay Kis and it's like a four panel thing and it you know, this anime and the centime and the same and then the fourth panel is Michael Jordan in space jam, like you know what, you're totally right. I will say last year, at the beginning of the pandemic, I wrote an article for Fan girlish about like the top ten comfort movies on Netflix, and space jam was one that I revisited and I did not really enjoy it nearly as much as I did with age ten exactly. It doesn't really hold up that well. It's kind of one of those ones you like. It's mostly nostalgia. Is why I will watch this movie Bill Murray. It's fantastic and his part is still great. How did you get here? Oh yeah, I know one of the producers. He can't be right. Aren't they making a sequel to that? It's been rumored for a long time that they make a sequels like Lebron James or someone like that. So so there's already a trailer out for it. It's there. Yep, it's not really a trailer, but it's like Hbo Max had this had this special come out. was like hey, he's are the movies that are coming up. And it showed a quickly of Godzilla versus King Kong. They showed a quick clip of the new of the new mortal Kombat movie or series, and then it showed a clip of the new space jams and it's Lebron James Hm. And so for me, I mean I when space damp first came out, was me getting into sports. And so I thought, oh my gosh, my brain just heard you saying when I got into space jam was me getting a divorce. A little little eight year old Greg, little seven year old, eighty old greg was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, cadence like this, it's over for year old Gregg. You get yourself the sandbox. I get this half of the sandbox. There's a greg story we have not heard. Apparently one real big gets divorce. Lord is a wild statement. That also t the crazy things that there I was. I was just getting into basketball specifically, and so the fact that they were NBA players is very intrigued to me. But also all around me, the music is hyper in that movie. The the comedy is Great. Between you have the children comedy, but you also have the bill very adult comedy, and it's basketball which sucks me in, and so I still have a huge soft spot for it. Obviously. Yeah, I'm sure Michael Jordan's acting. This is black luster haven't seen it in a while. You know what, though, is one that I totally should have said last week that I think Mike still play some kind of a role this week, just because I like this movie every time I watch it and it's a bad movie. Movie, The the First Marvel Hulk movie, the one that was done like a comic book. Last one pro tip. I love that one. I do too. It's like, I know it's I know it's objectively bad. It is not objectively bad. Who are you talking to these people? What are wrong? The fact the cut scenes that they make, they are like it's literally like why? I mean, they put it Greg that's why it's the best. There's literally a part where like lie explosion and they do a free sprame of the guy in the explosion. They cut him out and then they like drag him and so so comic book. So Ashley, that Ashley. That would have been a legitimate argument until spider verse came out. That's fair, and I love into the spider verse so much and I will do because that has that same comic book thing while also being a good movie, and it's and I'll be fair, it's been a while since I've watched Ang Ley's hulk, but I will tell you that I do believe into the spider verse is the Best Superhero movie ever made as somebody who adored it. You're wrong. It's number two. The first one is the sixty six Batman movie with Adam West. I mean that's a great felt of the bomb. That's a spiderers. It had that line, it would be number one, but Batman got it first. Always remember shark. Reply you, guys, but sorry, Greg, go ahead. Is it's a better story. The visuals are better. It's CGI and the CGI still holds up, which is aprising, because they animate the entire character and his like his reaction to the environment is really impressive. Looking as far as just like the way they did the CG, like like the bullets bouncing off them. It all looks infinitely better than the next movie they made with Ed Norton, with Ed Norton. Oh my gosh, I could not agree. I can't believe there is a thing that greg and I really like one percent agree on. Like this is like the moment of shock. I'm in joy.

Know, know the Ed Norton One. Sure, I mean it's fun because it's a part of the Marvel Universe, right, but in my opinion it's not as compelling. The the the protagonist isn't the antagonist, sorry, I should antagonist, a bad guy. The bad guy isn't as compelling and it's just really kind of in my opinion, it's a mess. The animation of the Hulk is really poorly done, and that first one was good. Like the story was compelling. It sucks you in. He's Pram with his father. They tie all the characters and well, the fight scenes are super exciting. The character development's good. The only problem act decided to shoot it like out of a potato. For whatever was this like? Was this like that the the forbidden era, where the dark era, where we're transitioning from film to digital, and so there's like that middle ground where everything just looks like ass for three years. It's so weird. Like even going back, I just sit there, I roll my eyes, like this is so solid movie. Why did you ruin it's like well, like, I still I love that movie. Not a shame. Go back and watch that we gotta watch it together now, Bro like like yeah, I, to my knowledge to this day, I thought I was the only person on the planet that I thought Angrkns Hulk was far superior to incredible hulk, which to be to be honest, I have tried to watch that movie like probably fifteen times and I have never made it through it. There's opening, like I fall asleep in the middle every single time because abomination is not compelling to me in any manner. His father's role in that first movie is one of the better villains, I think, out of a lot of the mcu. If you go back and watch it, you'll be surprised at like how I think, how much depth he has as as a character and kind of like how the story develops them. And and he's also menacing. He's like extremely powerful, and so it's a very fun movie. My my big is like I don't understand how you can beat Sam Elliott as General Ross Right, like I'm sorry, William Hurt, like I mean William Hurts a great actor, but he ain't Sam Elliott what as General Ross's the only thing about that is the only thing about that is I love Sam Elliott. So I don't like him being the bad guy. No, I mean like so, I think what I have learned more than anything about watching movies with my mother is that my mother really is attracted to men with excellent mustaches. So my mother loves Tom Selik and she loves Sam Elliott. Also, my mother loves and drew. My mother loves Alan Jackson, country singer. She also loves him. He also has an excellent mustache. But like, like my mom, I was like, Oh, I want to watch hulk and she's like, Oh, Sam Elliott is in that, and so I think I got my mom to watch it with me one time, who gives no flying farts about any marvel or comic book thing ever, but she wanted to watch because, and they'Lli it was in it. So but yes, Sam Elliott as General Ross was perfect, and I really love Jennifer Connolly as Betty Ross as well. Yeah, yeah, like, I mean I love live tyler, but I mean I thought Jennifer Connolly was more compelling. Yeah, so, I don't know, I just I'm not a big fan of the Ed Norton Hulk Movie. I've never been able to make it through that movie without going to sleep. Speak following on exactly on that thread, movie that I enjoyed while I watched it and then, you know, later was like, Huh, not that I not unlike last Jedi r I, where I grew to hate it, a movie where I it just it just fait, kind of faded into non existence in my brain. Man Of Steel, Oh, I've only seen that one time. Yeah, I really enjoyed it the one time. I write right, but but I think my bar I was also expecting not to enjoy her Ryan. I went to go watch it with our friend Michael Like two days before his wedding, because his fiance had already left town to go get go to the go do wedding stuff, and so Michael's like, Hey, I'm a bachelor for a couple more nights. Do you all want to go see man of steel with me? We're like yeah, man, let's go. And so I wanted to go because I want to hang out with my body and you know, I'm happy to go watch any comic book movie, I don't hear what it is. But my my expectations were very, very lower man of steel because I hated Superman returns. To remember, returns is the lamest movie to ever Lane. Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, that was I said it backwards. I wasn't talking about the Zack Snyde man steal. I was talking about Superman returns with Brandon round. Superman returns so much. Yeah, it does, because I remember watching it and being like Oh, that was fine, and then, you know, but going back. Yeah, yeah, at the time I was like I've hated it. I've never I've watched it one yeah, at the time terrible. But again, watch it. At the time I was just like Oh, movie fun, yeah,...

...but then a then you know, the come back of like did anything actually happen in that movie? No, no, it was two hours of nothing, and it's so superman returns. It's such a weird movie to me because I don't think anyone was acting poorly. I just think the plot was so bad. No, like Brandon Rolth, I thought was buying a superman heaven's. Basically I thought was finance Lex Luthor, Lois Lane. No idea who the actress is, I thought did find you know it what Los Lanes? Mcguffin was very forgetful. I mean it's Superman, though, so it's like yeah, yeah, he's a Jason Jason, you're a book guy among this, but tell us what you think about supermer. But the plot is just like so boring. You like, Oh boy, yeah, Super Man returns. Really was again really boring to me. The I remember, you know, Kryptonite Island. I think, yeah, since his whole thing was like I'm gonna get real estate money. Like what, Superman has a superpowered kid that he didn't know about? I forgot about that part, I thought. I I just remember him like pushing a piano into a bad guy or yeah, yeah, well then it's funny because the opening scene is really cool. It's like two guys robbing a place and superman like flies down and they shooting him and it shows like a slow of the bullet just like colliding with his eye and then drawing to the floor. It's like a really cool opening scene and that's the most exciting part of the entire movie. Yeah, I mean I had kind of you know, at the time I was following comic book movies a lot closer than I then I do now. I heard some speculation like well, a lot of folks say they hired Brandon Ralph because he looks so much like Christopher Reeve and after and Alec. Having Seen Brandon routh and other things, I appreciate him as an actor, but if I only looked at Superman returns, I would believe it's because superman returns was so awful. Kate Bosworth was mostly and Brandon routh did a pretty good job of superman. They brought him back on one of the CW A crossovers. Yeah, and it was fun and I felt nostalgic and I enjoyed it and I'm not sure why, because I did not enjoy superman returns. Again, I really think it was a case of that was one of the most boring movies of that's ever been made. Oh yeah, I like, nothing happens this. Okay, this is like the most shocking episode dearly debated ever, because we're all like agreeing on stuff broad dream up on comic book Sci Fi stuff. Yeah, yeah, this is very unfore likely. I mean, I'll say I did not like man of steel. I'm not a huge fan of Zack Snyder in general. I think watchman was good. We talked about the ending. I think the watchman movie was good. I enjoyed three hundred. It was Scoofy, but I enjoyed it, but I don't really don't like most of what he's done it. Yeah, I watched man of steel and I was like that was okay, that wasn't man. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Hype, the hype around that was really high for me because that was already in like I was a film producer that time and so I was really into. This is going to sound weird, I'm really into movie trailers. Like I think that well done movie trailers are should be appreciated and have a good role to play in a movie and how you remember it. In that had a pretty amazing initial teaser trailer. It actually had. It actually had a song from the Lord of the Rings and it playing in the background. I noticed that. Yeah, it's Russell prows speech to Kelll before he sends them off, and it's these short little clips of him pretty much just living his human life on earth, and it's it's it's Henry Cavill who for me was a big deal because, I mean I liked him in count of money, Christo, he played for Ann, who is are sorry, he played Edmund no and I just know he played Alan. He played he likes Albert Rock dragging was Jesus Alan non son Albert, and he's just a little kid at the time, but I recognized him when he played in the movie immortals, which is kind of like a three hundred ask type movie. That that was probably a good one. I should mention where. It's like initially it was so Badass and cool, and then I kind of looked at like the reviews later and like on every single site it's like a twenty five, and I'm like it was that movie really that bad? and to tell you the truth, I haven't watched it since I've seen all those reviews. I was about to and I was like, oh, it's so cool, and then I saw all that and I was like maybe it's not very cool, and then I just haven't gone back and watched I bet you it's terrible. But anyway, he's the main character in that and he's kind of a stud and I'm like, Oh man, this kid grew up, and so now I'm seeing hi, Superman. So I was real pumped for man of steel. You...

...have Hans Zimmer doing the music again or hunt, like I'm again because I say you did it for Batman. But so I was just really hyped and it just underperformed. It was very vanilla for me. I didn't I don't really like the lowest lane character. WHO's that? He was the girl that plays her, Amy Adams. I guess I use not a huge fan of like tea characters being played by really mainstream people like Amy Adams, in my opinion, is just every single girl and every movie like like she plays in so many things, like she isn't everything, and it's like you wouldn't have like Bruce Willis go and be Superman. You like, well's, that's brute. It's like Bruce Willis is more famous than Superman, like you wouldn't have him there. And for me it's like Amy Adams is a more household named than Lois Light. So like I'm like, Oh, let's Amy Adams, JE's happens to be playing this role. It's like I just thought it was a bad casting choice. I don't recognize her at all. have any of you guys seeing a rival? Yeah, she's the main thing. She's leaving right. Arrival made me ugly cry. I arrival is one of the best science fiction films to come out in the past decade and I don't think nearly enough people have seen it? Yeah, yes, say, Oh, okay, so I have seen Julia, Julia, where she plays Julie. That's great. Yes, yeah, that's a great film as well. She's also in her have you either? have any of Y'all seen her? That's the Spike Jones movie her. Yeah, that ISS like square, where he falls in love with this computer. Yes, yeah, basic, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, his he falls Joaquin Phoenix, falls in love. was with his AI, who is played by Scarlett Johansson. Again, just like when we were talking about meet Joe Black. Can you blame them reasonable, Brad Pitt, Scar Joe, come on, people, I do love Scar Joe's voice as a lady who is also like kind of an auto. I'm like like, if I were going to be an ai like scar Joe, it was kind of what I would aspire to. So that's fair. But I I like Amy Adams. I've only seen like a handful of her movies, but I've enjoyed all of them. She was also an American hustle that cheese. She's excellent. My point being is that, like, I wouldn't necessarily pick her like picker is a casting, because I think of think of like all of your big. I don't know, like I don't know how to say it, like I guess Comic Book Actors like a people playing in those roles. I just would find it weird to put household names and those roles like they're uly taken up by people that you don't know that well and they kind of become those people you know like like like iconically, that that actor becomes that character because, like if the actor is more popular than the character, it's just awkward. Like it would be weird for me to see really mainstream actors and a star wars movie. Like imagine, if I imagine if Bruce Willis or Nicolas Page was at Jetta, like it would just be strange, like I just can't. I'm like this is just Nicholas Cage and he is in a star wars movie. I guess he's gonna have another name. please. Can you imagine if Samuel Jackson was a jetta? I will look at that. That's that's really good point. Samuel Jackson as a Jedi Wop, I think was I say, yeah, no, no, no, I will watch mace window do all the things all. Yeah, he worked out. Sam Jackson is one of those really ubiquitous characters that I feel somehow works in every everywhere he goes. Well, yeah, it's also because for actors that have been a lot of movies, there are them all here and then there is Samuel l Jackson, who was like double the next closest actor as far as the number of movies you've acted in, which I actually what true he Jackson has. I mean, like I know Nathaniel, I know you were a big fan of ghostwriter on pbs back in the day. Was Gid ghost later Bro he was Jamal's Dad. Oh my gosh, it's been here. I gotta dig that stuff up. I literally just I remembered wanting to watch it as a kid, and I because my sister and I got like a couple of different PBS magazines growing up. She got the one that was for like preschool kids and I got the one that was for like elementary school, and I remember reading like the ghostwriterer comics and stories they would have in the magazine. was like, Oh, this is so cool, but I could never catch it on TV. I don't know like what happened, but I got the DVD's from Netflix because I am one of the five people on Earth that still gets DVD's from Netflix and so I watch the first disc on Sunday and Jim and Joe Mall's Dad is played by Samuel Jackson and like the guest list they have in that show is insane for ghostwriter because, like you got like all these like nine s Sitcom actors that are in like random guest star roles that are weird. And then you have Samuel Jackson who's like the Bank Characters Dad, which is completely insane to me. But like he's in a he's an enough to where I feel like he could do he could do what I'm saying. But I guess. Yeah, I guess. Amy Adams was just like, in my opinion, didn't work. I...

...guess. But yeah, they's and I think a lot of people were grumpy about her being a redhead and and I and like and that makes this ass do get mad about that. I'm like, Guy, I'm like, why you something different to be grumpy about? Like that has absolutely nothing to do with like her real I'm get hung up on the dummest stuff. Well, yeah, well, you know, and you know people were grumpy in and start our discovery because in season too, ethan pack had a beard. I'm like yeah, I thought it look great. I'm on board, really excited about it because, like, if you look at pictures of Ryan, who's my husband, as like a little kid, he looks like a little baby spot and I'm like Oh, honey bun, like if you, if your Mama had put pointy years on you, you could have been spot. And he's like shut up. But then like a couple years ago for Halloween we got him to dress up a spot and and he didn't have to shave his beard because he's in pact. Was Spot, you know with the beard on discovery. So anyway, yeah, I think I think man is steel underperformed for me, but I guess as kind of like a last thought year. Just to kind of go off what I said about trailers, what Mike, probably my favorite movie trailer ever is for the social network and that's a movie that when I initially watched I was like okay, like the trailer was amazing and the movie is pretty good, but now it's like it's amongst my, I would put it my top five favorite movies. I think, ever, I could turn that movie on any time and go back to watch. I think it's depiction of like your typical college campus and like, I don't know, just like just the characters and how interested you are in them and how much the dramas done really well. The music is done good. I mean the music is extremely basic. There's a lot of controversy because they want an academy award that year, I believe, and he was penned up against guys like Han Zimmer and again, if you go and listen to the main theme of the Social Network, it's like two chords. It's a Dude Dud Dude Dudu and it just repeats that the whole time and like that. But it's very simple and well done. I just think overall the movie is incredible. The acting as good. The trailer builds the right amount of pipe. It like tells a good enough story to get you really sucked into where it's like I could just go and watch the trailer a bunch of times. I think it's that good and I love that movie and it's just that's definitely been one of those that started out as kind of just like okay, the trailer made me go and watch it and then it was kind of just all right, and now I'm like, you know, I'm a huge fan of social network. Yeah, I mean the social network is, isn't? Is Just an interesting film because of how prominent a role social media plays in our daytoday lives. Yeah, and plus that that film has such a great cast, with like Rooney Mara and Andrew Garfield. M Yeah, and that's that's a. that's a really. I've only seen it once, even Justin Timber Lea like plays a very annoying character. That's yeah, that's right. He's the guy that found a napster. Yeah, yeah, he's it is name Chris Parker something. Sean Parker. That's Sean Parker. Yep, I say, I could have told you his names and asked me. Yeah, but yeah, well, so again I am old enough to have expirit. Well, no, the music. Okay, lime wire, anyone? Oh No, I see. I never used any of those services. I remember my ends using like lime wire and napster and and things like that. But okay, so the music for that film is by Trent Resner and Atticus Ross. That's there. Oh my gosh, I'm sorry. Hey, y'all haven't watched Washman yet, have you? I've not the show. No, the twenty eight. Okay, so Trent restner and addicus Ross did the music for that. They also did the music for soul by Pixar that just came out this past year, which souls amazing, great, yeah, it's real good. You see that hate soul was getting. I was like, Y'all did not watch the same aviod. Sorry, no, those people are wrong. Yeah, and then they also did the music for another film that's kind of a came out about the same time as soul, and I'm blank. You know which one use anyway, like they're. I need to now that I know that Trent resider and Atticus Ross have done that, like I need to go back and listen to that score again, but just because the the musical choices they make are absolutely brilliant, like they're they're both geniuses. The way they use music in watchman is it is. It is thematic and poignant without being like obtuse or really like like the fact that I, like, I didn't notice what they did in social network is surprising to me because I normally noticed stuff like that. So, yeah, there's actually also, I, like you guess, we were talking about game stories, which also I'm like, I would want to do that. Like yesterday just because I just finished the last of us too, and like that game will like I'm exhausted, like I'm sorry, yeah, I'm I've never played any of those games, but like the...

...main thing I hear about them is like this is a wonderful story, but I am emotionally spent for like the next three months. Yeah, like there's just you could talk to for I mean I could just talk about the last of us one and two for hours and hours and now like I just need to decompress on that. And it's been like two weeks since I finished it. I'm still fit. anyways, the main girl, and that Ellie, is voice, the voice actress that does that, does her plays super small roles and a bunch of random movies and she plays like a random college girl that like sleeps with Shawn Parker. And so now when I watched I'm always like, let's Allee, like I can tell by Your Voice, but she and she like she played the random waitress at the very end of the first of injuris. That was like Captain America saved my life, as weird as it is, he plays like she plays like that extra and a bunch of big movies and her voice is super distinct. It's really good. She does have a bigger right you know, I might have a hang on. I actually think, I actually think I have a clip of her on the soundboard here. Is No but she has a larger role in this weird and this kind of bizarre movie that I watched a while back with some film friends of mine. It was about, it's just about social media and how it was about the Internet, essentially, and it tells like three or four different stories simultaneously and they all kind of link up and one is about a guy who's like a like a Webcam sex guy, and then one is about a boy who kind of gets bully, cyber bullied at school, and the other one is about a guy with a gambling problem online. It's really interesting movie. Actually, she plays like a main reporter that's like trying to to like get a story from the kid, the from like the young boy guy who does like the Webcam sext and so it's like her talking to him. It's kind of a it's a look like unknow the radar movie. It's worth watch. If I could remember the name, I'd give it up, but which we actress is thinking about it Ashley Johnson. Yeah, so if you look up Ashley Johnson Movies, you probably find I'm trying to think of you els acts. She's. She's Gressen on recess. That's what I was about to say. Yeah, I know. Or if I watched a lot of critical role, which is one of the big things that she's done. Yeah, she's done a lot of voice acting to she and I heard the same age. Yeah, she's if she doesn't have anything, jump the last of us, last of US just a period. You guys need to I don't know. I would say play it, but also like, I don't want you to break your heart, like it's. Yeah, no, I've heard. It's a really those are really one orful games with like way beyond the bar of storytelling that you would expect for a video game. First one. That bar is really low, though, and unfairly low in some cases. Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've heard. Like, I mean, it's, as it says, emotionally poignant and powerful as any film or television show. As somebody that does filament is very critical. I would put the first last of us up there with some of the greatest storytelling in cinema or anything, and I mean that like, like I would like. I think I'm on a high of it right now, so I'm that's just to be safe, but it's right up there in the second one does a really good job telling stories. I think it told the wrong story, but I can't critique because it does such a good job. It's mainly just my personal like. I didn't like the direction that story when it all and I think there are a lot of valid reasons why that wasn't a good direction, but it was done in such a good way still that was just it just sucked me in, you know, such a good job. So again, I'll leave that for a video game episode. Somebody changed the topic quick I be we should probably wrap up. Itslfdn. I have. It's let's say, Jason. I'd feel like we've heard a lot from three of us, a little less from you. Do you have any other movies that you welved the first time or and hated the second, or vice versa? Movies? I'm coming up blank on I could think of a couple TV shows, but I want to get into that tonight. That maybe better. Maybe another thing. Screw. We didn't mention any TV shows, TV shows that had to grow on us. There was definitely again, we talked about TV shows that kind of went down the down the abyss of failure and and garbage. But it would be it might be interesting to look at shows where it was like the first time you watch it, it you know strong the get to the first season, but now you're committed in a fan so yeah, I will say just just very, very briefly. One movie that I really enjoyed the first time I watched it and did not enjoy in ladder viewings is my best friend's wedding. HMM,...

...part of it, I think, is the first time I watched my best friend's wedding. I was in high school, and high school actually very, very innocent. A lot of things in my best friend's wedding totally went over my head. Last year, during the pandemic, we did several virtual girl movie nights and like maybe the second one we did, we ended up watching my best friend's wedding and I'm watching this and I'm like, Oh, I missed that at age sixteen and I'm now thirty four and watching this movie and realizing Oh i, Oh, oh, okay, got it. I really don't like this movie. So and some of that I think might also play into the fact that Julia Roberts is a very is very charming on screen. I don't I don't want to disparage her name unfairly, but I from what I have read she's not a super nice person in real life, so maybe that's some of it. They're also some really funny lines in that in that movie, like she's opposite Cameron Diaz, like Cameron Diaz is the fiance of her best friend and she's trying to bust up their wedding. Also, I just really think that's a bad premise for a movie. Like, I'm sorry you, like she's trying to do with this really like I understand that she thinks she's in love with her her best guy friend, but she's trying to bust up their wedding. That's a Dick move. Sorry, like and the metaphorical penis in the saxophone. Yeah, I'm sorry, like, there's no way you come off good in that like no, stop anyway, like Cameron, like, Julia Roberts actual profession in the film is that she is a food crick and Cameron Diaz. Like she has this confrontation with Cameron Diaz and, like a bathroom at a baseball stadium that they're at and she's like you from critic in the bathroom that are watching their blowber like and like clutch the Arcle. So now that's like if somebody's being a floozy. I'm like, that's fruit critic. Like it's dumb, but like that's that's that's that's kind of my Goto. And I was like, oh, that person such a food critic. Anyway. That that that movie. Like, other than that little moment, like I can't watch it and enjoy it at all now, like it's like no, she's being a terrible person and I can't root for her. And she did like even at the end of the movie. Like it seems like she doesn't like actually regret. Oh, I almost destroyed this wedding and my friend was getting married to this really nice girl and I was a jerk about it because my own I was being selfish. Like it like she doesn't even like regret it that much. I'm like no, like there's nothing redeeming to me about this movie. So best friend's wedding again. Things that like totally like there were some aspects of the film that I just totally missed, like, oh, I didn't get the fact that they used to sleep together a lot, and and and like again, because that totally whenever my head and High School Little Innison ashually missed that. Like it, and like now I'm like, Oh, oh no, no, this totally changes the tone for the movie. So, anyway, my best friend's wedding, that's one I just can't really enjoy anymore. Fair. All right, so we'll wrap up, since it's almost been that for us, when later than usual. But yeah, so, you know, let us know if there's a movie that you liked it first and now you hate, or that you hate it at first and now you love, because I am curious because it is interesting to see. You know, Oh, I missed this on this on the first time I watched it, and now I get it. So I'll just close with this. My mother initially did not like Scott Pilgrim, like really disliked it, to the point where she was like, how do you guys enjoy this movie? That wasn't you know, that was a terrible movie. It wasn't funny all. But of course it's one of our favorite movies, so we would watch it over and over and over and over and over again and eventually, at some point, I feel like the fifth or six times she'd watched it, begrudgingly, she's like, you know what, I think I get it now. And so she's on board the Scott Pilgrim train. So we'll goes out to you, Mama, that you can reach us, let us know your thoughts, to your opinions, even if they're wrong. Dearly you can reach US dearly debated at gmailcom or send us a tweet at dearly debated. You can find me at Holy Golem Ashley. All right, so you can hit me up on the tweets at the nerdy blogger. You can't like my facebook page at facebookcom the nerdy blogger. You can read my blog nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom. You can also find my work, my written words, at Fangirlcom and Pop Culture Retro Ramacom. I also occasionally contribute to the Pop Culture Retro Rama podcast and doing to you know here...

...a dearly debated Gayson. Oh great, all right, yeah, one of you go. You can find me on facebook at chapter one films. This is Greg we're talking about, not Jackson. Greg one is spelled out on you can email me Greg at chapter one films Dot Biz. Check out my website, chapter one films Dot Biz, and on Instagram at chapter underscore one, underscore films. Yeah, and you can find me at comic exilecom on my block or on a comic exile on twitter, facebook, and you can email me at the comic exile at gmailcom. All right, and we're going to close out with Jason. I have to show you the majesty of the Ji Jonah Jamison laughs, a chain. So this is for you. Oh, I love you, J Jona Jamison. All right, good night, everybody live.

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