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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 21 · 1 year ago

The Garbage Go-To

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're looking at "guilty pleasures", for which we feel no shame whatsoever! Ashley is the phantom of the podcast, and Greg and Nathanael have a silly sing-along! 

What's you listening to? Son? I don't think you like it. Why not? I lock this new generation of music. John full corn of sounds. It's time to welcome to dearly debated, the show where you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. I'm your host, Nathaniel three sells Levinson. All right, let me try again. I Nathaniel, murder, death, kill Levinson. That sounds more metal, don'ts like the same movie with me in live in the studio. I am Greg, who's that pokemon friends and virtually with us today. Am Ashley. I'm a rock star, Thomas, and this is kind of so today. This is kind of an idea that we had had kind of put on our on our to do list. Of It was kind of vague, but we kind of mentioned it last week in a round come episode. You know, you, you have stuffed. Now we we're we're calling it guilty pleasures, but I don't think that's actually the right term, because I don't feel guilty about anything that I watched like I watch things. If I enjoy them, then I enjoy them like that. I don't feel guilty. So I think even though you could consider these guilty pleasures. I think guilty players is the wrong term, though. We're going to call this dumpster diving, but this is the stuff. We're like, this is not good, but I kind of love it anyways. And there is definitely subjectivity here, as with all things media, right, but if it's got an I am the if it's rotten on rotten tomatoes and you love it, this is this is what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. But and then, I think, also stuff where you're like, this is not intended for me, I'm not the intended consumer at all, but I still love it. The example I use, which I think has a stigma about it. I'm not sure why, but it's like the brownies right there watching my little pony, which is clearly not intended for them, but they're enjoying it on ironically, right. That's the sort of thing. Again, not a guilty pleasure, just like I mean like this isn't made for me, but I enjoy it, or something like this is trash, but I enjoy it. Kind of like Taco Bell you know it's bad, yeah, but you love it anyway. So yeah, yeah, that's what we're talking about. The TACO bells. Of Movies and for me that's very prescient. So I'M gonna go ahead and start us off. Sam and I had a clip maniac is in it. Requested advice with a firm tone of voice. Demand, MANIAC, lie down with hands behind back. Simon Phoenix, lie down with your hands behind your back. What's this? Six of you, such nice tidy uniforms? Oh, I'm so scared. What you guys don't have sarcasm any more. Maniacs, responding with a scornful remark, repeat ultimatum and, in an even firmer tone of voice, add the words or else. Simon Phoenix, lie down on the ground or else. That's from demolition man, which is the movie that I love that actually doesn't like. I'm indifferent too. You're indifferent to basically, the premise is Wesley snipes is this insane bad guy who's like killing people, and celest just alone goes to stop him and he manages to catch Wesley Snipes. Owsley snipes makes it look like silvesterous alone cause collateral damage in the form of a bus full of civilians, even though the civilians were were already dead. It was a crap. That was least knights of late. So they both get frozen in Cryo chambers. Whether be rehabilitated, like neually rehabilitated. So then a the in the future, which what do you remember? The Year of the future, thousand and twenty. Yeah, well, they mentioned, they mentioned. Yeah, so they made mentioned that was when when they wake up. So okay, so one of the bad guys wakes up, Wesley snips, because he's like, Oh, I need a criminal to do some dirty work for me. It's two and thirty two, twenty thirty two. Thank you. So the far off. Yeah, so, so. So they mentioned here. They they mentioned Simon Phoenix escape from this cry of facility. We've had eleven murder death kills so far. I just one point out that that that it's not murder. It's called a murder death kill for no, for no explain reason. So it's like the future. It's a future utopia where there's no there's basically no crime. There's, you know, everything's Sonny...

...and wonderful and Taco bell is like a high upscale restaurant. The only music they listen to are like commercial jingles. Everyone speaks like drax. Yeah, yeah, that's I think it's a really good way to describe it. Everyone speaks like drags, you can't swear or you get like pro fanity violation and the police are just completely impotent because they never have any actual crime to stop. But the region there working become a society of peace, loving and and understanding and we are, quite frankly, not equipped to deal with a situation. There have been no debts of unnatural causes in San Angelis in the last sixteen years. The Santa Barbara Los Angeles Sandy go metroplex were merged in two thousand and eleven. Yes, that didn't happen, but probably yeah, but so so that so they wakes of us as alone up to try to take down Wesley Snipe because they don't know how to deal with them. And it's I think it's really, really fun. This is whole thing about. He goes to the bathroom and he's like, what are you like, there's three seashells in there. What do you do? And they're like he doesn't know how to use the three shells. It's a it's it's very ever explain it. No, they never explain it. There's this weird like quote unquote, sex scene where sylvestist alone and Sandra Blok are having sex, but involves in putting on these weird helmet things and it's like this is wrong, what is going on? And Sandra Bloke, he's trying to quip and messing it up, like you totally blew him, blew him away. It's I found it very fun. Like it is, without a doubt, a dumb action move. No doubt it's dumb. It's the plot is, you know, it's just it is there. It's not a good movie, but it's so much fun to watch and I really think Sandra Bluok is great in it. So thats just slone is aby. He's Silvester slone. He's literally just being silvest alone in this movie and he kind of sticks out like a sort thumb into all the people who are actually acting. But it works because he's supposed to be, you know, displaced from time and I love it and actually apparently hated it. I can't contact it. I I have a very high tolerance for dumb action movies and this one like just crossed the line, like other see. Well, although I did find it interesting that you had Sandra Bullok, who I love, also acting alongside Benjamin Bratt, who plays her love interest in this congeniality. HMM. So I personally and they're in their cops in that movie as well. So I personally found that layer kind of interesting, even though this is several years prior. HMM. But everything else about the movie is like, man, they all needed a check that week like that. They ain't got nothing better to do. I think. I just I just spat. I just love the like right when he gets quite ready for it'skip first guests there and he's like I can't figure out to use the three shells. He walks over to the little ticket slip and just start swearing at it till it prints out a bunch of paper and it's like and walks back to the bathroom. Yes, that that part was funny. I'll give you that. I don't think you can deny that there are. There are some really funny moments in it. Again, overall it's just kind of a throwaway moving like it has nothing that's particularly outstanding. It definitely has a lot of really stupid moments, but I think it's a lot of fun and it's I think. I think again, which you know Ashley said, it may depend on your tolerance for stipidity, but I think it's a very watchable movie. It's a dumb popcorn flick. You know, have a drink, get some press together and sit down for a dumb movie that you can enjoy. Say That will be the only way I watch it again. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, it's not a cinematic masterpiece by edny stretch of the river. It's something you can enjoy with friends. I mean, the first time I watched that was by myself and I enjoyed it. So I enjoyed it. Well, good for you, but all right, Ashley, it's your turn. My turn. No, boy, here we go. I got your click, must holds wants culled. You, Huh and Murphy and told me best see you. I want to. Josie gives dat right, you give them my nurse. I'm going to date. I can't believe you're a killer. He seems so nice on TV. Really always thought you were kind of hot. Too Bad. I always thought you were kind of hot too. What's your sign? SCARPIA cancers? The pussy cats are got a cute what was that? You can't see. If Ashley is lips through to all of this terrible curs rock. Why even bother doing impressions? You're not funny. It's so, that's Josie and the pussycats. So why would you, why would you consider this a not, again, not guilty pleasure, but like lower quality movie? First of all, I'M gonna I'M gonna push back a little bit. I'm going to say it's not a lower quality movie. It's not something I feel any guilt about enjoying. In fact, I very...

...shamelessly enjoy the movie on many, many levels. But I put it on my guilty pleasures list because for my birthday this past year, my my one wish was to have a sleepover with my two best friends, Brennan Cassandra, and my request was that they watched Josie and the pussycats with me, because so we did. They were obliging and they watched it with me and they both hated it. So part of this is there's there's some, I had to explain, a lot of early two thousand s pop culture references and so that, I think, diminished their enjoyment of it. But I UN ironically enjoy judging the PUSSYCATS, even though it was not well received when it was released for a few different reasons. Partially because the marketing for it was really terrible. They marketed it like it was a movie for ten year old girls and there are lots of very not ten year old girl jokes in that movie. Hmmm. The other reason is that people didn't really understand that it was a satire of how pop culture, a lot of pop culture, marketing and advertising is directed at youth and how it can influence youth, be that for good or ill. So it was actually really smart and really clever. And so if you watch the film, There's advertising everywhere and I found out actually just recently that none of those were like paid ad spots like the the movie actually really like kind of made a point whereas they've got all these ads in the background, but all of the ads they have in the background are weren't paid ads. They were just, you know, smattering advertising everywhere throughout the film and I thought that was wow, that's really cool and bold. That was a really bull choice. But unfortunately when it was released nobody really knew what to do with it, which is too bad because it's a I think you've got a lot of really interesting stuff you can discuss with this film. One other clip, Nathaniel, from that film, one that I would consider the guilty pleasure clip for me, at least when I was in high school when this movie came out. There the thing that made it kind of guilty pleasure for me is that, even though I knew like this was a movie that I really really loved and enjoyed and most other people did not, as was because I really loved like the wrong calm aspect of it too, and I actually duck girl, actually didn't tell people stuff like that. Actually got over herself. So, but I really love, like the the final scene where I meet this stupid I'm civilized, right. I really, I really love the this final scene where Alan am just these love interest. He gets, he gets, he tells her how she really feels or how he really feels about her, and she gets too. Oh, I think I know where this is going. Yeah, are actually wait a minute and he's just what else is there? It's me, really, Hey, it's ass wally. You seen that movie? Yes, yeah, Gregg's actually seen this. Okay, so, Nathaniel, yes, I'm going to try to share this with you. Of It at the hit me with that good good I got, I got Greg's ready roll. All Right, here it is. That wouldn't come from I don't know, but I can hear it really loudly. Were done it? Touch it like it sounds. It's also this ramic its. Yeah, all right, yes, oh, nonal stite, the host presenter, like mys open website. What are you trying to make me do, Ashley h what are you doing? You don't be able to say what. That's what I came to tell you. Jolie looks just that's how the spoorless Oh make a mountain. They did it. This would have been the most like overthetop romantic gesture ever, because I aspired to be punk rock from Queen when I was in high school and that was like my ideas, like this is be the best thing ever, like having a band with my friends,...

...although none of my other friends really played instruments that were, at least not my friends that were girls, and but I was like no, we're gonna have a girl band. Yeah, and you're going to find your boo and get to the top of Makeout Mountain. Dude that I'm in love with is going to like, you know, be crowdsurfing and confess his love for me in the middle of my rock show. That was like like the dream. Obviously none of that ever happened to me. It's fine, I'm okay, you slip me a fiber and I'll give Bryan some ideas next time we do Karaoke. All right, all right, just the cut over to that one person who I got have to the movies. I've not even the character was the cut over to that one person who's just looking at gas is like he's getting all the hot is. She clearly had the face of how can you do this? This is outrageous, it's unfair that. That is this is this guy looks like he's about to start crying. Well, well, yeah, because he's said, he makes like the sad cry face. He's like Damn, yeah, anyway, that's at some point I got watch a movie with you. Yeah, man, like it's so, maybe we'll have a guilty pleasure night and I'll I'll watched the milician man with you, yes and so, Dad. That's it. And then straight for me. It's an easy trade for and you lose it out on this trade. But yeah, so for me, like that whole like that whole movie was like total wish fulfillment for me in high school, like that was everything I wanted was to be in a rock band and have the dude that I was in love with like, you know, confess his love for me in the middle of my rock show. So, yeah, yeah, so, anyway, all of that total wish fulfilment. That's what makes it a guilty pleasure for me. All Right, play my flip me. It's just it's just the theme. Just do I was just going to play the trailer. Just just do the thing song, because that ties in more with why I like this movie so high. Is it different? Oh wait, wait, different, this one the train, wow, wow, as friend in the world us, it's a it is a good that song gets me so hypedness, analogic, you know, legit, the that the original, like the the show theme song is actually so it like it's a banger. Yeah, and like okay, so, so if you get kind of hard, but that's what that comes on and I'm like yeah, that thing song was from Pokemon, the first movie, and that movie is excellent. On hear what people say. Okay, it's just I cry. Just rate. I have watched that pretty much every phase of my life and enjoyed it. Yeah, different ways that every phase of my life there is definitely a shant of nostalgia that just looks at it and goes man, Greg I'm a very creative, like kind of like comically we're creative, I can't control it, type person who were like, if I need to focus on something, I'm typically having like no, like, like in a bad way, the things patting itself in the bag. I mean like when I'm supposed to be focusing, I'm having like battle droid fights and Oh yes, and I like right, what do you think about a new business plan? And I'm like, oh no. And what used to consume? What used to consume that part of my subconscious was Pokemon as a kid, growing up, even to an age where it was like that's not longer cool, I was like that still was a definitely bland in my head all the time and it was always I was having pokemon battles in my head. It was like man. So there's definitely a sense of nostalgia that's carried along with hearing the theme or going back and watching the old cartoons. Now they've got like lampshades that are pokemon and it's like hey, it's chandelier mom and I'm like this stupid. But the original ones, I'd say. I look back and I still get all that nostalgia. So that's part of it too. I think the movies just excellent, like not, not for the fact that they gets entertaining, because you get to watch, like, you know, all Tho pokemon battle and like I find that to be...

...cool just because I'm a child and I still find that cool. You know, didn't know that, but apparently I do. But also the themes that touches on. It has a wide variety of themes and emotions and it's a bit like the primary purpose of the movie is a pretty deep for a pokemon man right where focus is a clone figuring out the purpose to life, and I'm like, Dang, you guys went sand born. Damn Bob. It was like you are a pokemon show that features I Kachu, a yellow mouse that shoots electricity, with comical team racket chasing you constantly, and then you come out with a movie about a clone who's pondering the meaning of his life and he can take an he's killing people. Literally, is murdering people, and it's like who even as a kid, I felt so cool watching that because I was like, man like Youtub doesn't mess around at all. He's like Yo, screwl you guys. You think we're just these things. All of a sudden there was like this ethic moral dilemma to pokemon. I was like wait, your too. Yeah, he's got a but you can just capture them and use it. And then ashes like well, we love them, and I'm like, well, he's kind of making this argument, because this is what makes, you know, the primary character stand out for all the other ones, which is which is something I enjoyed, because the most of the time when you're watching ash is kind of obnoxious character. He's kind of whiney the whole time. He constantly has his pokemon that shouldn't be winning fights. They're all underevolved and he's beating all these really cool pokemon and you're kind of upset about that. And Really, this movie gives him, gives like him, the feature of being like, okay, what he's actually good at? It is important here. It's because he's because it's what the thing he's great at throughout the whole entire show. They're pretty consistent with it is that he really does love his pokemon. It they want to stay outside the pokeballs. He'll let himsel outside the BOTA balls. He's got the really good connection with his pokemon more than anybody else, and this is why they translate that to he's a better, quote unquote, trainer and he can use that's so funny, though, because, like he's objectively a bad pokemon. Try. Yeah, and he really like Oh, rock, you said our onyx portal. Don't worry, my boy pikuld you guys. Yeah, he doesn't understand type differences at all. And admittedly, like the fighting is different in the answering. Yeah, he totally cheats. He's like, who let me through the sprinklers, loone and Doodle, what to you him? Like? Oh, and that's the frustrating part about his character at you know, as I you can. I don't know if you can call it character development. It's like it's a Commons and forever. Yeah, exactly. But as is the way he's featured in the movie is like all of the sudden, that plays a really big role. The fact that he actually treats his pokemon as as equal, not equally, quite equals, but he loves them and he treats them really well, as opposed to the normal, typical trainer, which means you, is upset about saying you think that we're under you were not. You think that you're better than us. That's not the case, and ashes like, well, that's not true at all. My relationship with my pokemon is a lot different. I I love them and they're my counterparts. Yeah, I treat them with respect, and so it's like, okay, he finally has a role to play here, so his purpose felt a lot better here. I am, I you know, getting philosophical and deep about Pokemon, but that's why I think it's a great movie and I still enjoy watching it. I think the fight scenes are cool. I think that scene where that music comes on, see that sea. That's the opening theme that we played, but that song is only played one time and that's in a pokemon battle. Before he goes and fights me youtube with a random stranger, he just like hey, your Ash Ketchem, I want to poke about all you, and so that song comes on and when I first heard that, I'm like Goo, the opening theme is already banging, but now there's this version and I was just getting hyped and like, no life I do anything pokemon related, like if I want to go back in and be nostalgic and play the one red and blue version, which I do, or like go through a pokemon search book that's just got like a find this Pokemon, which I do. I will blast that music on repeat. I love that song. Gets me so hyped guilty. Play it. It's and and like, if you weren't emotionally moved when ash gets turned to stone and Pi could choose like weeping over his dead body, then I'm sorry, you're not human and all I have to say to you is don't make me kiss you, as I will. It stops the battle. Everybody just stopped. Everyone was like okay, everyone's just like it's like, oh, she's yeah, I mean and and as a kid, you're really tustling with like, okay, he's shocked him like a munch of times, and it's the connection you have, you know, with a dog that you love or something. He's doing the same thing he always does to get as to wake up, and shocking him. That's the comic relief in all the shows. And it was almost like a guys, this movie is gonna be at wake it up it, you know, like he's not just gonna jump up like he normally doesn't comically say how. He's more like he's gone. And so you're sitting there like, oh my gosh, like wait, what? What? As a kid I was like no, no, wait, but evening. Obviously. Now I'm like, silly kid words. I couldn't kill up as kiss him. Yeah, so the I saw the second the Pokemon, the movie two thousand in theater. It's a ground. It's pretty good. It's not as good, and and and nothing's YouTube. Being able to talk made sense. Oh yeah, right, because he's like this incredibly intelligence, like a Pokemon, although you know the the Laura Pokemon is kind of is whatever they want it to be. At the time, sure, pokey dex entries for Ault, because I was like he's smarter than a super computer. Okay, yeah, well,...

...why can't he talk? Why is he holing on the two spoons, like hate that smart, like guy, please, it's so smart. You'll be you. He's so smart. But I get am B U. It's like, aren't the other one smart for being able to summon lightning around? Why does Someoney psychours name? But and and me out is like, well, I learned how to talk by being around people. Okay, well, I don't know the other ones thought and I think I don't want to get into it with the expendas. Like he could do mimic. So he mix see me, looks like a parrot, but he somehow that made him like and the funny thing is when they do like me out backstory. He doesn't spend time with anyone. I don't remember whom, spending time with anyone who sound like a New York gangster. So he got that. He did that. He was he's like, what should my action be? Hey, you don't yeah, yes, he you have done not yourself. Where you going? He still get on. I love me out, but fuck you. On the Moon, two thousand slow king is there. He can mysteriously speak and Lugia and also speaking. Now I was I was hoping it would be hoo or who or how was arounded? Yeah, because I was a pokemon gold though. I had told as well. Yeah, and so and Hollo makes an appearance in the very first episode. Yeah, so I was kind of hoping they would tie that back together. Like the very first episode, he sees Hoo flying over you ash. There only a hundred fifty one pokemon and we know all. You couldn't have seen that. But yeah, I think, I think liking pokemon now you can still oh my gosh, it's got it. It's still going. I think. Yeah, it's I don't know it is. It is ash still the same age yescause they because the voice actor who plays Ashu, though, it's Naomi, has a really good ash catching voice and I feel because she's female, seas here for catching voice, because a woman does the voice of betch catching. There's a there's a great while you're pulling that up, I was curious, like who sings that? That that Banger of a theme song? The artist who sings the pokemon theme is Jason Page. Now this guy, right, Taylor, does the voice of you. Yeah, yea, yeah, yes, sorry, Ashley. Were you saying the original intro? Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, and Jason Page, he's a guy who does the he sings the theme for for Pokemon. So apparently this guy, he he's a vocalist and he toured for a year as the leader of the lead legendary band blood, sweat and tears, like I've never heard of. That is a musical gap. Fix It. Okay for it. But yeah, he's done a like a lot of really interesting stuff. He shared the stage with Michael Jackson as the rap soloist for black, black or white. So he does a little little rap breakdown for Black White, which is pretty cool. He can be heard on foreigners can't slow down, meat look bad out of hell, three the Scorpions, our one, Frankie Valley's romancing the s and on the art of McCartney tribute CD. So he did some stuff. But yeah, he's done some times. Here what you say. He will never surpass that original things on stuff, I'd say there's actually like a whole paragraph on here about everybody loves him because Hashtag POKEMON. So this guy of his voice actor did a skit with Kuchu voice actor. All right, Pikachu, this is it. Tough battle. We've come this far, we work so hard to get here and finally victories within our grasp. Your reportings week. Just one more hit and we'll beat champions. Here we go, Fika, you youse footr won full restore. Wait, what you know? You can buy these at the POKMON right render. It takes away the challenge of the battle. Don't you think I'm gonna do this about twenty more times? I think I'm just gonna leave? No, yeah, you can give up. You just gotta Pay Me Twelvezero. You know, I'm like ten years old, right, and you got a black out. This podcast. Fortuitous. Very impressive that she's been doing that since while, since I was a kid, and, as I know, ash is still in the main. They may have changed the protagonist. I'm not a hundred percent because there have been so many serious I actually don't yeah, she's cheese. It's been a lot. I mean the thing is, the final thing is ash never changes. But like brock goes to do his own thing, misty goes to do her own thing and he keeps picking up these randos and he never gets better. So up to much never has a day. He's just this mediocre trainers like what? Wasn't even get it. Beinger, be better. You get money for winning. It's a pretty solid life actually, yeah, it's not bad at being professional Al Yeah, yeah, okay, so we cycled back to me and just to just to clarify you quick so it looks like Veronica Taylor, who was ashcatch them. She retired from them position at in two thousand and six, but the show is still going on and a lady by the name of Sarah,...

...not a Chinney. I'm going to probably butchered. That has been in the role since two thousand and five. Well, good for her. Wow, she's two years younger than me. That means that she's been watching pokemon since been Pikachu since she was like twenty. You mean you mean Ash yes, yeah, yeah, I get know. That's there was a great clip from a Japanese talk show where they they had the the the voice actors who did the voice of Pikachu, and so they're like you the voice to the voice, and she does that Pika and then just like so cute, it's really adorable. To a posh con here in Charlotte a few years ago and the actress who does the Voice of Bulbosore was there, and so she she said Abbas are and we all like cried's fun. That's Funne like, how do you? How do you? It's like need someone to voice small animal. That's, as a say, a word and just yeah, immunity, exactly what you mean. Just you that one word. A job where I just say one thing over and over again. Put Bar for this job. All right, the cycle back to me now when it comes to I know that there are things that I watched that are just like frashy that I enjoy anyways. So I'm just going to kind of say all the old Jackie Chan movies are cheesy as hell, yeah, but they're so much fun and they're dubbed terribly, but there's so much fun to watch because Jackie Chan doing crazy stunts just never gets old to me. It's just I love it. I love old jacket Chan movies. I mean I love new jacket sham movies too, but there's something about him in his prime doing these wacky things with these plots that don't make a whole lot of sense, especially if you think about it too much, but it's just like, yeah, the movies he made before he came to America are just sensational and I love them all. And they're not very good, like from a movie standpoint, the stunts are spectacular and and always in the bloopers there's the funny stunts where it's like Ha, he messed that one up, and then there's the stunts where like is he did he die after this? They always have those. They always have broking like every bone in his body. Yeah, like Multiple Times he's insane suits a super hub. Apparently he met. He did a movie with Bruce Lee with a thought and they were doing like they're their play by Bruce Lee actually hit him and Jack Jake got like knocked across the room and broke a rib or something, and he got up and he's like I'm fine because he wanted to stay in the room with Bruce Lee, like it's priestly. Bruce Lee Gris really just broke my rib. It's the guy. Yeah, so, Ye, Jackie Chan is just yeah, and I would there's it's like I would recommend. Wanted Their cheesy action flicks, but they have that that unique feature of him doing these crazy stunts. It's something you just I mean there are people who do their own stunts, but not not like Jackie Change. Jackie Chan is's like whacky. It's like Buster Keaton. He's yeah, he's he's very much doing whacky life endangering stunts that you're like no humans should be doing this, and it looks great because it's him actually doing these mean often times the people that pieer certain things in film like they are actual movies, aren't. You never really hear them all that much. Yeah, it's like, I mean like one of the most polarizing, you know, hated on movies out there is is star wars episode one. Yeah, yeah, that was the first ever digital movie, shot, first ever, you know, completely CGI character, and yet it didn't do a great job of it. chargers kind of a mess of a character, but it was impressive that the fact that they did that. It was like, Oh, wow, nobody's ever tried to do this before. Whereas Jackie Chan movies, I agree, are incredibly Corny and just painful at times to watch, but you're watching a master mean you're watching some body who said actual movies are silly. You guys just go and make a ton of camera cuts and they're embarrassingly off, like they're just swing it nothing and the guy falls down. You need to do it like this, and it's just these long cuts where it's like how long were you filming? How many times did you have to do that to make sure that you got all that fighting in? Because he'll know, he'll go through four or five different people and then the camera cuts and you like, yeah, she's if you missed one of those things, he'd have to Redo it. And he talks about he talks about redoing certain stunts, dip like a hundred times in I think, is rushing to he like slides through one of the ticket booth windows, like he's up and slides through it, and in the bloopers it's like ten take. It took him more than ten tags. Oh yeah, but he keeps getting stuck because it's his team tenny window that they can barely fit through and he just trying to slide right through. I mean in one of those, I think Shanghai Knights or something, one of those, he has to like throws a hat in the air and then he catches a gun or something, or was something like and he said, yeah, that seems specifically. took him like one hundred plus tries and the guy was just like, listen, we've got one of each, we can kind of put it together. He's like no, no, no, that's not how we like. We're gonna do them both the we're I'm going to do it perfect. Otherwise, why are we here? Yeah, like why do...

...it this? Yeah, like what? And it's in. So yeah, watching a pioneer like that, I think I'm with you. Like I could always sit down and be like we're watching Jackie Chan, like just sit back and who cares? With them, like watching Yake, not watching for the plot, where watching with a dialog, just watching it to watch Jackie yeas. He's a light. There's a marvel. I don't think we'll get another person like him because he's that dedicated to though he's he's not just not just the stunts but also the slapstick. Yeah, Oh, yes, like every single one of his movies does what what I saw someone term ladder food, where he grabs some random object and it's like beating the crap out of people with that, and he never gets old. Never you're like, okay, he's gonna be the guy up with a goard this time, like Oh, she's change it up, like no, my yes, I beat him up with the core guest steps, like with those fish. Yes, and I use the horsehoe on the road. Yes, I love it, every moment of it. I love it. I love the scene from rushower. We're like, well, obviously it's inappropriate word, but like, like he's at this bar. You know it's primarily the black guys and guys like in the bar, black partners, like what's up my in word, they're like one of his friends. And then Jackie chain just obviously man of bolivious is this big smile because it's it down a bar, because my in word, and then the guy, everybody in the bars like what did you do? Is looks around. They all start trying to beat him up and and you can just he's like he's a constantly in the middle of fighting, like putting his hands up like I'm so sorry. It's like it's just a great scene, like how, how do you come up with that? It's realiant, though. I have so much respect for Jackie Chan. Yeah, it's hiss the way that he uses everything in the scene to pull off these stunts. To the latter food, as you as you mentioned, it's like Bruce Lee meets mcguiber. Yeah, yeah, that's a great way to eat. Takes that kind of graceful flowing stuff from martial arts and uses it to and uses the environments to make a really, really watchable, tight seat for Jackie Chan. Know that? Yeah. Well, man, that night I do think it went downhill after the twelisman arc one mole thing. One more we mustle research. That's something I still say. I yeah, yeah, it's true. The Talisman was. It was the great art. Yeah, they kind of kept most they keep like most all the themes. YEA, the Talisman grow, grow you. Will they use them? Yeah, because I like after the Talisman they're like they're actual the demons from the Talisman's that they're fighting. Yeah, and then there's something after that. I don't know, I don't remember where it went after that. I just do remember really enjoying it, because they did. They took that essence of Ladder Foo and translated into a cartoon. Obviously it's easier in a cartoon because no one actually doing it, but I thought it, you know, it felt like it felt like a few change was actually in the cartoon. Yeah, well, you know, and of course he did. He did the voice and then at the end of each episode, like they would do like a little segment with him or he has a little thing where he would like who's cute day or something. It was said. That's what I remember more than the show is like all the Qa's with him and I was like, wow, he really does every single stunt ever. Wow. Yeah, I guess it's really cool. Go back and Rewatch it. He was a he's like an adorable old man, though. So yeah, that's I didn't play it a clip because it's visual. That's about visual. I just play anything. You're really bad watching some of my favorite art. The armor of God or operation condors are both really good. Well, yeah, that's that's when we watched last summer, Yep, and Project A and project at are both really that. For the life me, I think it's I think it's project A. No, I think it's the first Operation Condor that has the most ridiculous car chase scene. It's the where they like an eating around each other and like ramping off the bridges. That's so good. I love it so much. It was like matchbox cars. That's exactly what it was like. It was like the I've identical old beamers just zipping in and out like this, like you're looking at it like this is not what a real car chase would look like. This is so choreographed, but it looks awesome by like fanning out and fanning back in and crossing over each other, dumping up ramps and you like really the I think. But my favorite, the most absurd part of that season, like this battery with all these boxes and the cars are like slowly like jumping and eating the boxes below. He really, how are they even doing this? It doesn't make sense. He's like climbing rope iron and iron like. How are the cars like slowly eating away? It doesn't make sense. It is very video gaming in a good way. So yeah, so that's my that's that's one of mine. Is Old eject because I think when you know, once moved to America, the production value of his films went up significantly and obviously, since they're in English, you don't have that bad dubbing issue. So he had more money to work with and he was doing them in English, which obviously, if you're if you're speak Chinese, well, it's that's that's not the right way to say. If you speak Mandarin, then the dubbing thing is not an issue, I'm assumed. I think the original films are filmed the mandarins, at least I would assume, since that's the biggest language in China. Yeah, so I would say the the movies that he...

...made before he came to America and started making movies in Hollywood, those are the ones that I would point as quote unquote, guilty pleasures. Right, I think they're not great movies as far as movies goes, but there's so much fun to watch. I really like the car in that movie the yeah, I had to go look it up again. It's a mission Mitsubishi cult targa concept car. Hey, he's the concept car. It's not even a car that came out. That's great. It looks like this paper Machade a car. Yeah, yeah, it is a special one off model made by Mitsubishi for the movie. They go. So they made those and knowing that those cars would get flown off of bridges into those. That's one thing I that's one thing I appreciate about James Bond is James Bond has very blatant product placement for the cars, but the cars still get destroyed because a lot of places like product placement. They're like, we can't show it getting destroyed or people going to associate our car with getting blown up. It's like no. That's why I like no airline or train or bus or whatever would actually allow their brand to be used in plants, trains and automobiles. rants are very, very iffy about their stuff being portrayed as getting plug up. We're destroyed, all right, Europe, all right, Oh, you want to? You want me to play this? Yeah, so you can play the clip or clould you like me to explain a little? First, put the clip and Graig listen to it. Let him guess what's happening. Okay, that seems dasable. Twenty its s tree, Fox precints. Phantom of the paradix. I've got the car story with that, a beautiful love story, a cinematic Odyssey through the rock universe from Greece to glitter and beyond, the story sound, the man who created it, the girl who sang it, the monsters who stole it and the Phantom who haunts the Paradise, the ultimate rock palace. Listen, dancing and of the Paradise Phoenix. This is such a long trail. It's a two minute trailer. Old trailers are so long. He's it's like anime intro songs, where it's like we're just going to play a full song for the Intro of this twenty minute anime episode. All right, so you want to explain what's going on here? Okay, okay. So, so I chose Phantom of the paradise because in might be one of the best examples of what I'm trying to get across is I have a deep and abiding love for theater of the obscure and cult film. Phantom of the Paradise is a one thousand nine hundred and seventy four rock opera that is written by Paul Williams and directed by Brian to Palma. It has really cool cinematography. This is Brian to Palma. I can't remember if this is before after carry. You either of you remember off the top of your head what your carrying was? Don't remember anything off the top of my head. The Internet. I crippled myself. Okay, so this is two years prior to carry. It actually uses some of the same like the way that he frames, like if you guys, have you guys have Seen Carrie? Correct? Okay, well, this is that. I haven't seen anything. I know carries kind of a bit of a ubiquitous horror films. I didn't know if a lot of movies from the s to the s I'm very familiar with but have not actually watched. Okay, got it. All right. So Fan of the paradise is kind of like a hybrid of fan of the opera and faust. So the the the main guy in the film, like he he's a songwriter and he's trying to break into the rock music scene and the song that he kind of breaks in with. It's about how he'd sell his soul for real love. And so Jessica Harper, who's the lead, by the way, she's also the leadings Speria. Yeah, so if she looks familiar, that's why it's a few years before Sysperia he runs into her. I'm sorry, the goods of speria rights a Speria, although she is in the bad susperia as well. She has, but she's the lead in the goods of Speria. One thousand nine hundred and seventy nine. So anyway, so they're in line for this song contest and he hands her, you know, his sheet music and she sings the song and he's like yes, that's it,...

...and so she kind of becomes his muse. Well, Paul Williams, you know singer Paul Williams, who was prolific song writer, most probably known best by our generation for writing a lot of the stuff with the muppets, like Rainbow Connection. He read all the music from up at Christmas Carol, that sort of thing. He steals this rock opera and frames I'm blanking on the lead characters name. I believe his name is Jimmy Jimmy. I don't feel like that's right. What did you say? It's Jimmy. I'll be hoole and I say Jimmy's my daddy's name. URBER store. winslow. winslow. It's played by Willen beany wins a lots weird. No, anyway, he he ends up framing winslow for this crime. winslow ends up going to prison. Paul William Steals all his music and he becomes super popular, sells all these records and he lams as Paul Williams. Paul Williams as what is study's playing? Sara Quan swack? Okay, like it's almos playing himself as a as a thief of music. That seems like a bad bank. Hey guys, I steal music. Yeah, now, but anyway, he wins look, goes insane, ends up in this terrible accident and becomes like this disfigured Phantom type figure and he haunts the paradise, which is this big rock club. So anyway, anyway, so it. He makes kind of this Faustian bargain trying to get credit for his music and he's that's why I like, Oh, the only person that can see seeing. This is Phoenix, which is JICA harbor. Anyway. So think about Phantom of the paradise as it's it's what rocky horror picture show is to Frankenstein. It's not as widely known. I learned about this on the Saturday frights podcast a few years ago and so I added it to my Netflix Dvdq because I still get those, and that that, that was how I got to watch it. Yeah, Ashley, do I need to add also, oh, to this sound word. That's what I need to add. So old, and I think you're so. Yes, I am a little longer than you guys. You're like just older enough to be just over the edge into some stuff where we're like what are you talking about? So, anyway, I specifically chose Phantom of the paradise because it visually it's really cool and weird and like creepy and Gothic and I just I love how weird it is. The cinematography in the film is really cool because it's Brian to Palma and he's kind of known for that sort of thing. And the music is great. You guys actually musicals the thing. Yeah, like on my Halloween Party playlist I actually added that Song that Jessica Harper was singing right as you stop the clip. But anyway, it's great music. Would definitely recommend. But I chose this film because it really represents how I'll watch almost anything, no matter how weird or obscure or strange it might be, because I'm curious about the kind of story it's telling. HMM, there's a few different ways I go down these rabbit trails. Some is because I listened to a lot of like retro podcasts and a lot of some of them are like Retro Horror Focus, like I mentioned the Saturday frights podcast, which I've occasionally contributed to. So that was that was how I found out about this movie. And, you know, so I find out about these weird films it's like wow, that's really strange. It sounds kind of interesting. I've never heard of that. Occasional I'll get lucky in their streaming somewhere, but most of the time these are ones I end up adding to my Netflix Dvdq or I go hit up the Biz art video and Charlotte, because this is where I find theater of the obscure without paying like forty bucks for a dvd on Amazon. You know, I felt like that was kind of a good example of that. One that's probably a little more watchable and in oyable than some of the stuff I've watched. Like you know, I've watched some really bizarre and weird things and like a torch, dark star is not that bad. It's one really weird that was it pretty weird, but times that's very weird. Like I was able to I you know, I it was dark stars movie where I could go back and rewatch it, but I could definitely see it being too weird for some people to tolerate. Oh Yeah, yeah, this one, I don't know, I think you guys might find it interesting. I don't know that you would one hundred percent enjoy it, but the music is good nonetheless. But anyway, this that's kind of how I find out about these things. I also the other way. I kind of go down this weird rabbit trail of theater of the obscure. Is sometimes like if I really like a director or if I really like an actor or an actress, I will watch and I do this with music too. I like to go and watch everything in their catalog because I want to see how they progress as an artist. When Lan Christie, obviously my queen, all hail. She also loves theater of the obscure, and so,...

...because I love her, I went a lot of her stuff and they are all like just utterly, like some of us, just utterly bizarre, notably a film she did a couple years ago called in fabric. In fabric is kind of like if David Lynch and Dario Argento had a baby, Dario Jent Argento being the director of Suspiria. Like, visually that film was all susperia and it was a weird horror comedy that was like kind of racy and and and dirty, but it was also kind of like sisterhood of the traveling evil dress. On that level, like I enjoyed it, but I think I watched it and enjoyed it as more as like kind of an a love letter to suspiria because it was so weird. But like, I can't think of anyone that would ever enjoy watching that. I think that fits our definition pretty well. Like, like I there's certain things that I will call in it's my birth the it's my birthday card, and make my friends watch it. That will not be one I make anybody watch. So anyway, theater of the obscure. I think I'm using that term correctly. I've said it about twenty times, so I really hope that I am using that correctly. I've never heard the term theater of the obscure for the term theater of the absurd. It's you could be absolutely right. Its theater of the absurd. Of the assert is the better term. Yeah, I just googled theater of the obscure and what is theater of the absurd? That's what came up. But anyway, I like stuff off the beaten path. I like stuff that is lesser known and I don't sorry, that probably makes me sound like super pretentious, but I don't need the word I would use as hipster, and I don't even think it's like I don't even feel a hipster about it, as like I think that's transferred saying I've yeah, sister's kind of getting mainstream. Yeah, right, yeah, I'm like here's this weird cult film thing I found and people are like, why on Earth would you care to watch that's because why wouldn't you? Anyway, Phantom of the Paradise, I would I would definitely recommend that one if you want to kind of interesting Faustian Phantom of the opera, rock opera. So all right, yeah, next time, I feel like one of those why? I feel like it's for all of those like, Oh, I enjoyed this, I'm blaming this whole thing on you. I enjoyed this thing. Why? Why? Why? All right, great, right, man. I've got so many now that I'm insign here thinking about it, but I think I'm gonna with this one because it might generate a little bit discussion. Maybe had enough. You good to see it. So I'm a big night channel and fan. Well, its original stuff, right when he tapered off. Okay, so, so he made he made some Bangers, obviously. He made the sixth sense, unbreakable, eight signs and he made a movie called the village, and this Peter a little bit right. He had a good amount of his fan base, but a lot of people were like, all right, dude, that's a little too far. And then we're a lot of people think he just completely whenever they happen air. Right, no, it was actually moving before that, called lady leading water. Yeah, like lady, and I like that movie. I think it's the village is amazing to the lady lady in the water. I'm googling with the twisted a lady in the water. There's really action out of heat well, but there's there are slight twists and basically the whole entire movie of lady in the water is telling. I believe it's an old Spanish, like oak tale type thing about a certain kind of there's essentially going to be like a bad, like scary monster kind of introduced and there will be all of these things that will kind of save the day, like like they you're going to need to find x y and Z. There's going to be like and they have different labels. You'll need to find a guild and this this guild will do x Y and Z in a story. You'll need to find a protector in this guy's going to X Y Z in the story, and this is introduced via a he calls herself a KNARF. This character called Cleveland finds her. He he runs a it's like a motel type thing, flash apartment complex. He finds her in the pool and he just thinks that she's some girl that passed out of the hole or something, but in reality he's from a different world and she came through Water Tho it's called a and she explains this whole story, that there have been dark forces that have come from her world to this world and that all these things the found, and they find them within the apartment complex, lush hotel. anyways. The twist is that they constantly think the wrong characters of the different characters story. They like, okay, we found the guild. It's clearly these guys that sit outside and they smoke all day and you're kind of getting to know everybody in this apartment complex and there your typical guys, just as it never pay rent, and then there's like the single, you know, father and his son, and there's the old couple and anyways. And so you're getting to know them all and you kind of think that they're all he's a fit...

...in these certain roles. Would own reality. They don't like it, constantly find it. They're like certain people actor and certain people filled and they get the wrong that wrong. anyways. It's kind of a bit. Definitely is bizarre, but it's very cool and and it's and it's told kind of in that first person narrative where she's explaining what's going on, and I enjoyed movies like that the acting is incredible. It's got Paul Giamati as the main character, cleveland, and meets excellent. It has a few other he supporting actors that escape mem there is definitely some big hinging problems with it that everybody was like, all right, dude, so so in night sham on always cast himself as a random, you know, cameo character, and this one he decided to cast himself as a world changing author. And that's also the Stephen King Movement. It's like typically kind of a red flag when you, as the author, cast yourself as a world changing author in your own movie and it's like, dude, and literally like that was one of the most distracting parts, is that he literally sits there while people tell it. Like she can basically see the future and so she's telling him you're writing is going to change the world and he's sitting there. It's great. It's and I'm like in Night Shuma Renaz is and more yourself script. It's like. So that part is a little comical. I remember even at the time being a little off. But but there are enough really interesting parts and funny and goofy enough characters to really keep you entertained and the acting, like is mainly driven by Paul jmuddy and it's excellent. He plays such a lovable character. He's got a Stutter, but every time he's around this girl, yeah, speak fine and he didn't know why that is, and so he's a very lovable character. There's some other really funny characters, as a guy who works out half of his body and he tells himself he's like all sides experiment. He's just a meathead and he's like his right side is just jacked in his left side. He's stuff. It's so like you have these characters that are still erical and like, and like the guild is just this like this room full of like ends up being like this room full of like these Spanish sisters that are always just screaming and yelling at each other and they end up being the guild and they have to play this huge role in the movie and they have to like convince them to like help them with, like, you know, this mission, and so it's just so funny. Like there's a and there's some really cool. It's cool moments to it. It's a it's a it's a really I think it's really cool. It's definitely like I can see. Like when people are like breag the movies terrible, I'm like, okay, I know, but like I'm not just being a homer. And when I say that that movie is fun to watch, like it's a great it's awesome. I like that movie. So and one time I've seen I enjoy. Yeah, and I shamma is like world changing. Author. Couse, I know me. Anytime you have offer insert stuff, it's a dangerous thing. All Right, so I sat, I inserted himself into the inferno through but he was more of an observer. He was he was hanging out with all these other authors. It was totally like wish fulfillment. Yeah, Oh, yeah, so hot. It's great literature. It is. So I I was looking up the twist for dy of the water all nine MN Shaman movie to his frank from the sixty cents to split number nine at the very bottom. I sh might expect is the happening. It's going to read the last line. This is one step removed from the Laura x being revealed as a serial. We got them on too. Well say so. I want to I want to change tack jest eat a Little Bit. And talk about a game, a video game, that a video game that I love, that is just, objectively, a bad prey made gag. Now you know anything about sonic the Hedgehog, he was created as a counter to Mario, like directly. was intended to be a Mario rival, and for the first bit he was. So yeah, sonic one, sonic too, which is considered one of the better ones. My personal favorite sonic three with the end knuckles. Sonic three knuckles. That's my personal favorite. I think the music. I use the soundtrack for Someng three knuckles in the background of the podcast all the time. I guess, one of the best video game soundtracks period. But then when the dreamcast came out, they made the transition to d with sonic adventure, and Oh, sonic did not take well to D boy. So sonic adventure was just a mess. They introduced all these characters like big the cat, and you're like, who is this guy, and why do I have to constantly go fishing and don't want to do this? And then you know eventually can't with sonic adventure to battle and first of all, first of all one of the best opening stage cracks of all time. I to the escape. Yes, city escape. Oh my God. You're like, Oh, I'm gonna play some sonic. Let me, let me just boot this up real quick, and at this starts playing. So good, dude, I just hearing this. I want to go back and start flying, and you're like skating down the road. Sound places to go. Got a follow...

...my rainbow around to keep moving on. Guess One sigh on the way to find fact, moving ahead now, just what you can see. Take my free send me, breathe, dust me and escape from the city. ked through. So good. It's so good. Actually it's any down, because it's like all the stuff making so good. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so that song starts playing and you're like, okay, what's going on? But they they split into so you're playing a sonic and those parts are okay. It's still like it's Clunky to control sonic and Fred. But then they add you're playing his tails, who, for some reasons, piloting of Mac then knuckles. We have like run around and dig up gems with these really up to his clues. That's yet that it's just miserable. It it bakes a break it down into three categories. You have race levels where your sawn, you have you have battle levels where your tails, which kind of like, you know, like it's essentially like a slow race. Yeah, and then you have treasure hunts, where your knuckles where you're searching, and those just tear up. Yeah, those things. You got to look for clues and it's it's really interesting watching the speed run because they basically, you know, like they see the clue, like Oh, I know where this is the goods. But then they also introduced, and this is not the first time they did this, they introduced the idea of doing a villain's path, and so they introduced sonics. They introduced character called shadow the Hedgehog, who is the edgy edge Lord Sonic, who who's a he's like a clone of Slat. Okay, but the first time they run into each other and he's cool because, instead of running really fast, like sonic does with the Naro to run, he has skates on his shoes, which makes no sense. Is like clever skates. Yeah, but so this is the first time that they run into each other. So far, so good. Hey, that's that's who, hedgehog again, of all places, I found you, fake her make. I think you're the big hedgehog around here. You're comparing yourself to me. Yea Good enough to be. Leave those words. There's no time to play games. The music to that game in yeah, it's such a good ost and such a terrible game and I love it so much. And my little sister's Abigail Naomi. They first of all they would always play the like competitive one where you can raise each other in fun each other the all time. But they played with the chows. Good. It's like this weird side. You don't ring the chows. I didn't say it in like I just said. It's weird. It's like this weird side aspect of the game where this is like this garden where you can grow these little chows and if you like, you can pick them up, and just didn't, and I can beat him enough, they turn evil. Yeah, so the gown to Devil Chouse, if you're like really nice and pet the wills. I think, to explain it better, they're kind of like they're like little animals you have to tend. It's like little Tamadatcha and and you basically like, as you go through the real levels where you're sonic and all these other characters, you acquire these attributes that you hit. After your level, you always go back to Chow Garden and you can feed your attributes to your your Chow, and then you essentially like the five attributes are like swimming, flying, running, hour and then stamina, and basically you have to you can put them through these courses to raise other chows and they're like obstacle courses that use all these different, you know, attributes, and so the higher your Chow is, a certain attributes to be better than I'll do. Yeah, but raising your Chow is, in my opinion, like the essence of that game. It's like it, that's the element that takes to next level because you enjoy the story and doing all the fun levels in the music and it's just it's so pump up. But then you get to also be like, okay, there's a purpose this. I want. I want to make by Chow better swim. Yeah, so it's because you find the the stuff to uprate your Chow. You find it in the level. Right, it's like this weird and sillier anything that really has nothing to do with the main point, but it's like weirdly absorbing. Yes, yeah, it Ay, and it's like they go through different phases. They mature after a certain level. So like once they get to like a certain amount of stamina, they'll go into a cocoon and they'll go really stay there for a day or so and like in like when you get back, eventually they'll come out of their cocoon and there are, quote unquote, matured and like their stats go up and they're much cooler looking. And every show it's like you can't predict what kind of Chow you'll get. Yeah, and you can go to like they call it the black market, which is literally just like a locker and corner and you go and you open a locker and there's a chow in there. That's just like selling all these chow eggs and all these different things and a cane. And as you like basically get further along in the open the main game and upgrade and, you know, get the higher rankings, you can buy more prestigious things in there, they'll eventually you can buy like a Golden Chow and like it like that. And so the Chow is definitely add and it's almost like it adds that incentive to, after you beat the game, just stick around and just a kids playing. It's like the entire extra game. Yeah,...

...they tacked in there for no makes full reason that it's really fun. Yep, and all the like. The background music is good. The the theme songs are when you played, because several of the levels just have a full song, like literally, like the song get, like that song had two more verses. We just cut it off early and and they're kind of catchy and they're good. Like all of knuckles are raps and like the raps are catchy and gotta You, You Bang your heads and the fine. Okay, so it's not on the kitten right. Yeah, I'm saying right, it's not the kid. I'm not. I was that was sorry. It wasn't a question. That was like, yeah, it's not the KIDNAPP, but in the song the Gut with the Guy Yells, he doesn't say it kid that, he says hey, good Dona, a Godona. I'm what I'm represent. We're gonna have. Okay, we're closing out with the knuckles rap and just yells good Dona, I gotta find the mass emblem. Oh, weird, it's it's just like this. It's this, it's this absolute mess weird disparate ideas that somehow come together to make this like it really endearing, but that you're like, yeah, it's sloppers a lot and maybe it made a wook see on the carpet every now and then, but I love it anyways. Like it just yet, as far as very gearous function, like eight, yeah, glitches out. So like all of a sudden you'll just fall through a building, you know. Yeah, all right, well, I guess that you start the level, but you yeah, you definitely, but it's still it's still like, wht? Me Go back and play. Yeah, excellent game, I'll agree. I'll agree that. All right. Yeah, it's interesting. The thing you really should add that you're so old. Sound to the sound board, because I'm pretty sure the only sonic games I've ever played where on a second genesis, which I know I still will go back. Sonic for you and knuckles is one of those games that that I will just go back and replacing. But I do remember sonic for you knuckles. I remember me and my friends having a moment where like we are idiots because there's important. There's a pointed carnival, there's a point of the carnival zone where there's little red road hitting drums. You have to like get it down to a certain levels so that you can jump off. We thought you had to time your jumps and if you didn't time your jumps ever so carefully, you wouldn't be able to do it sweet the stand there and we would run the stage timer out find jump time our jumps just perfectly. It turns out you can just hold up and down and we figured that out. We're like argue, joking. I'm so mad right now. But yeah, I like to it sonic adventure, two battle, terrible game. I love it to death that. This is a really good score. I'd never heard any of that before. Do we know who, like performed the score? I don't know. I think differs artists, I think, but the but that one is sweet. Something on the tail. There's there's one ales has. This basically a good it was we're music, here we go music. It was done by an artist named June sent away. So it looks like it was just Ted Poley and Tony Harnell. That looks like, though. Tony Harnell was the front man of for ant and Ted Poley was in danger, danger, the vocalist in danger, Jan. So apparently they both elaborated to do a lot of the sonic so apparently you can get the soundtrack for sonic adventure two on vinyl. I might do that. It's it's a great it is a thing. Er, it's such. It's the fact, yeah, that that's a it's it looks really cool as wait, no, no, that is that's from them, but anyway that it's come up when I was googling sonic adventure two. I think it's a. The soundtrack is just is objectively a really yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, there's nothing like. They even have an option in the game to just be like there's a setting. So you go to settings and you like music and then there's just a a digital CD in front of you. Yeah, you click whatever song you want to play and it starts setting. It's on spotify. It's on spot a sound all so good. I will just every now that I'll just spin up to be escape, just dam to it. Yeah, no, bit, that is really cool score. I did it. We need to do like a video game music sports, because there's some really good about that happens. I will I will take the old stuff. Oh yeah, that sings great. You should look up Advo Ashley. You should look up the podcast legacy music our. I listen to that. You recommended to me a while back. Yeah, so, so, so they do. Yeah, I love that, although I prefer the they have mixtapes for it. Is just the music, none of the top. Yeah, the very first episode I listened to they've played one of the songs from the song from Level Three of teenage mutants, turtle small of foot clan, which was one of my favorite games as a kid, and I was like I know this one. I got really exact. Yeah, all right, so, so about to battle. That's mine. Some of the ball ash. All right, all right, let's say man. So theater of this obscure is very, very general. The I think for me, I kind of want to I kind of threw this out on on twitter the safrinoon and got a got some good response because, you know, I, like we said at the beginning of the show, none of us feel particularly bad about anything that we enjoy,...

...and I don't think we should. I think unless it's something that's unless you're getting an illicit pleasure from it, which case shame on you. Yeah, you should not feel guilty about enjoying something. MMM, like just enjoy when you enjoy the lot people say you shouldn't enjoy this because it's poorly made or it's bad or it's not for you. Just didn't write what you enjoy it. You know what you need to say. Yeah, they would like. We got interesting, interesting responses, and a lot of folks did say yes, I also have no guilt about the things that I enjoy. But some of the things that came up were see reality TV, romance novels, buying books when I already have shelves and shelves of books unread. Um, I think that was steam games. I. Yeah, I have that problem with books. I have that problem with a lot of things. Of One of my buddies that is a pretty serious writer. She says I feel the pressure to enjoy serious literature, but I really enjoy star wars books. Yeah, it's like that, I think. Yeah, if you're like oh well, oh, you know, I'm after you can speak of this like, Oh, you know, I read Moby Dick and to cities and this and that the other. I'm like, yeah, I write, I read the Star Wars novels. All right, but I wanted to read this quote from Simon Pegg and Fun Story. I actually read the same quote in the welcome address at my master's graduation. But, Simon peg says, being a geek is all about being honest about what you enjoy and not being afraid to demonstrate that affection. It means never having to play it cool about how much you like something. It's basically a license to emote proudly on a somewhat childish level rather than to behave like a supposed adult. Being a Geek is extremely liberating. I think. While we all like we're talking about guilty pleasures and things that are, you know, we really enjoy that. Maybe other people don't enjoy as much. I think. I think all of this is it falls under that banner of being a Geek. Dave growl basically said. Dave girl of the food fighters basically says something very similar, with lots more swear words. But you know, I don't believen guilty pleasures. If you ethn like something like it, that's what's wrong with our generation. That's residual, residual punk rock guilt, like you're not supposed to like that. That's not eff and cool. Don't even think it's not cool to like Britney Spears. Toxic it's cool, like Britney spearstuffs. Toxic is a banger and that's now what we're opening with. Yeah, why not a few? That's too Ma'am Gd. The whole guilty pleasure thing is full of F and shots. So like, so, I like it's funny because, you know, when I was younger, like late, you know, later in high school, you know I'm not supposed to like boy bands, right. The thing is I kind of skirted around that because I had an older sister and so she was way into and think if ACTU boys like when they were hot. I'm ready at the turn of the century. Oh yeah, for the Blemmisay, and so I was way down with actually boys and and sing and then, you know, kind of ended the entered my metal face where I was like, Oh, I only like metal, but still. But now I'm like, okay, I've got my bluegrass folk playlist, I've got my classical playlist, I've got my playlists and then I got my players that has all my boy man's on it. I love it. I love it so much. I was it was it was so funny because I was I was coaching a swim practice and they had to have a Bluetooth speaker in there. So on Sundays I was putting music on and I was playing my playlist that has like a bunch of s hits, like tons of Michael Jackson, tons of classic rock, but also tons of boy band stuff. Toxic by Britney Spears and Crimey. Remember by Justin Timberlake came on and there was someone on the other end of the pool who was giving a swim lesson and she started like jamming out to it and it's like that's what I'm talking about. Great, so you know, it's interesting. Nathaniel, I was also thinking, you know, kind of along those lines, like yeah, I'm a Geek, I'm a Nerd, I love all of these things unabashedly and I don't care. I it jog my memory. Made me think back to be in ten years old. Greg. I don't know if you ever had these in school grown up, but you do a book order or a or I can't if I got it through a book order or a book fair, but it was like this spider man, this is like the height of the one thousand nine hundred and ninety four like spider man animated series popularity, and I ordered like this spider man like coloring set and I was really excited about it, but I kind of had to hide it from my friends because they were going to, you know,...

...tease me about it, makes fun of me, and and now, like I can't even like like now the people that would have made fun of me are taking their kids to go see like marvel movies and I'm like yeah, Hmm, I see you. I think definitely became the generation that was like all right, screw it, and then we all looked around and realize everything with everbody's like looking around to pull out their game boys and wait you two. I think it's really interesting too, because we're in an age where it's so easy to access not only, you know, everything that's current, but also a bunch of old stuff too, and people are just like, you know, getty, exposed to so much more stuff that the kind of stigma of, oh, that's not mainstream is much less, for it's still there in some forms, but you know, you can kind of go and enjoy anything and find other people who are also enjoying the same thing as a lot easier, oh, for sure, for sure, and a you know, it's interesting. I told that story to a friend's sister and WHO's you know in high school and she was like wait, what? People would make fun of you for Liking Spiderman. No, like yeah, like, yeah, the hide that stuff, like people would like never let you hear the end of it. For years later it's like yeah, there's a really good webcomic I reapalled, Awkward Zombie written by one called Katie. You don't know how fret, sure tide rich, and she had this one where it's like middle school pokemon is so cool, high school, I can't believe you still like Pokemon. College Pokemon is so cool. Dude. That was like you yo was a hard one for me to shake. So, like I went through the phases of like Oh, Manu Gio is big. They finally came out with the cards and everybody watched the TV show and then it was like all right, I'm definitely too old to like this, and so like now secretly really still liking you go and like loving it, and then when I got to college, it's still not being there until like they came out with some online version and like I just got super into that and then like like I still put you feel one where you know it's not a great show, but I really enjoy watching it. I was telling God Greg, I watch it in Spanish because I like, Oh, I can, I can. You know. Apparently that's like a really good way to practice language, is to watch a show that you're familiar with in a different language with the pedals on. She starts. Oh yeah, I mean I totally did that going. I was taking the Spanish placement test before I started Undergrad, and so I I was. I was pretty good at Spanish in high school. I really awesome, awesome Spanish teacher. That's still my friend. But I totally watched xmen evolution with this dumb and it was so fun. What's what's really funny about you, Gio, is right. The the in the theme song is time to did the duel. On the Spanish version they move where the repeating that were the stutter is. Now it's as what they'll. Well, so now it'd be like, if need it was, it's time to to to the to duel, like, wait a minute, but it's really funny and I guess it's talking to Grea, get lunch, Joey, write the New York Acti the Gobbel Boo. That's an American thing. Baby nobody else has the guy. This is why America is the greatest nation on earth, because we got the GOBBLGOOL. Nobody else has the Gopal joys like Jolie, no, like sounds. Again, I'm sure if you're a native Spanish speaker you can pick up the axents, but did they sound like they're speaking finish? That's a Brooklyn Spanish guy. Yeah, really, yeah, apparently that was. There was, oh, what was? I think crushing tiger, Hidden Dragon. Apparently you can. One of the criticisms from the Chinese audience was these accents are all over the place. Really, and yeah, the Americans could tell. Yeah, because they can. They got much actors from, you know, all over the place and they just spoken their native accent and of course we're just like, well, it's Chinese right, little such a funny respective. I love that. Like ALLSA's watching a movie in randomly, like half the guys there are just like, well, well, you think got there? Sound that that? Yeah, there aren't. No. Yeah, Sciences. Like this person is like, why did you hire these people? Like they sound like they're from Florida or you think that sort of thing. You keep picking their accents to wear to their location. But us who has not, who's not have a train, ear to listen to Mandarin Chinese and has no idea what the regional acts and sound like it's yours. Yeah, the speaking Chinese. So I it is. It is funny. You don't think of you, I mean you pick it up in like British English, because you can kind of be like Oh, that sounds more like this, sounds one like this the British. Yeah, something you'll think about. A regional accents exist in every language. Yeah, and I think, I think specifically with like something like vo at the time it was it was a revolutionary because you could you get it. Do you know verbatim what they're doing in this sal like Poland try to do this right. Pork one cards got really big. I was, you know, seeing deal super to pokemon...

...cards, but I never played the game and I think right I was a part of the majority to never played the game because I like the game make any sense. Like the book is so much different than like, yeah, the show doesn't. But then Yugio was like, okay, yougo cards too, but there's a few first season where they're totally not playing from the very true, the first season makes no sense at all. Oh, let me do some of three blows on day, like you didn't shobut a single monster. It's not your turn. Like yeah, all of this, is it wrong? And the second they were like, Oh, we need to start playing by the world. That's because that's because that's cart starts. I think the right show came out first and then the carts started selling right and then they changed it to to better match. But the you know, my one of my favorite moments is when he's fighting the ocean guy. Oh, yeah, and Makos make up. Yeah, it'spect. You make US UNAMI and he's like I'm going to attack the moon and it's like the scores the moon and it wipes the field and be like, O hey, that's sketchy at best. In the so they put out a game for the switch that where you get to play through all the duels in the in the series, like every single duel in the series. Played through all of them and then a f you be, you switch and play as the other person. Well, when you're playing that duel as you be, there is a spell card called to pack the move. It's like all the stuff they did the show. You can't actually do. They've worked it into the the duel. It's like, okay, it's well done, well done. Did either of you ever play Yu Gi oh forbidden memories on playstation? Yes, no, not the places. I have that game. I still have a gamecute. I had it on a game, the game, and that's that's the one that that had no relation whatsoever to be Ye, our game. Right, yeah, I was like as we turned based. It was like a turn based POKEMON game, like Y is issually. You chose attack and you chose who you're going to and I was completely confused when I got it and honestly, I played it for a little while and then I just remember giving it back to game stuff because I was like this is using. I thought it was going to be like like I actual you know, like it actually plays like if you were playing the card game, and that was why I liked it. Right, yeah, it was like, yeah, it's better. Members had the weird like like the Egyptian dark thing. I start think it is attack on lightning at automatically dies, like the weird weird weakness system. Or is that them? Every one? The one. It might have been a different system, the witness system, the one that I remember playing was like it wasn't even the card getting. You literally chose three monsters and you traveled through these levels with those three monsters fighting in a turn based like pokemon. Get that, you shows him, we talk. Yeah, I need one of you guys to understand this, because I was so confused the longest time. I'm like, is there a version of Yuki? Oh, that's like this, like where you just pick the like and they had no relations, like their type of false bound kingdom. To me, it's for Gamecube. It came with the only game communia series that had a Bekas is that one. It's a real time trategy and RPG. Yeah, so literally nothing to do with the actual like like the cards had no it, like they had no attacker defense power. It was just like like I remember picking like the swamp and lavel battle guard because like Joey used them and it looks cool and they're terrible in the game. Is Like, Oh, this guy's got fifteen in her back points and so like the but I'm like they always looked cool, so let's pick them. And they were cool. They were cool to play with him, like this is kind of cool, but also I lost interestingly fast, because I'm like, this is an ever actual real card game. This is just a weird pokemon spinoff. This is and and I would just like, is nobody? Am I taking crazy bills? I was nice. Is this? Is this how you Youo? Is He really played? Can we play it this way? No, this is just a fake thing. Like it's funny because I always wanted to play Yuki Oh, but I never knew anyone who actually was on dude. I got was friends with people who watch the show, but I didn't know anyone who actually had ugio cards when never got any. And so then, like a couple of years ago, five years ago, down I was talking with my little brother Joel, and we were we were just like we were just pulling up all you you have a scal summers. I'm like, would you be interested in playing her? I went out, got US decks and we started to we started playing you go and I love it. It's Super Fun. It's great, man, I have that's awesome. Played hundreds of cards thoff. That's that's really yeah, I I like the F Oh, no, sorry, I say I like the Forbidden Memories Game, because it was basically like getting to play card game. And the other thing that was cool too, is like if you bought like decks and booster packs and stuff like that, they had coats on them, you could put them in the game and get your card in the game. Okay, yeah, so I played the the game boy color version of the game you're just talking about, right. Yeah, we that's okay, that's wow, that's the one. I took us a while to realize that, because we started playing in like you start off and like your cards are just tearritle, your best cars, like a nine hunter attack points, and then you realize, Oh, I can just type in the code to the card that I have in real life, and you start getting all of your cards and you make your real deck and you just destroy everyone and like it's so good. Yeah, that was that was definitely fun, Super Fun. I'm going to make an appropriate joke now. Did you? Did you play the you play the adult version of of that game? Forbidden Memories?...

Didude shit. I will talk about another game, though. That's like a guilty pleasure of mine that I was so disappointed, and so I grew up the first video game system ever got. It was given to like our whole fame like all the kids got it for Christmas when years and Nintoo sixty four. Those of first game system I ever got. It wasn't that I'm like that young, it was just that, like we just didn't do game systems for a while and so finally we got it into the court was so exact and the only game we got for it was donkey calling sixty four. That game is I mean, like my whole life I just thought that that was the pinnacle of game making, like literally even after Gamecube came out, after the we came out, I was like nothing will beat that. It's so intricate, it's so long. There are like ten levels and they're very detailed and they get longer and more complicated. It's a threedimensional game and I'm just gushing about it to everybody and then I freaking realize that it's one of the most broken games ever created. And I watched the speed run. It's done in like twenty three minutes. That game took me literally seventy hours to be the first time we could just we all just took turns playing it. We would get stuck. I'm like this is so incredible, it's so complex, and then like I watched the speed running. The guy just hops off of like the tree forth that you start in and he's like and if you jump into this pond you're already too level seven. I like, you know, stupid, you can't do this. You're ruining is. If you squat over here in the corner, then you teleport to the next boss. I might. No, no, don't tell me. And to everybody apparently makes fun of donkey come sixty four as being completely broken and it made me so sad and I still love going back and playing. So I have to I have to tendits of stories about that. One is I had friend to live across the street in that house over there who he had an NCC four and Dr concus sixty four, all right, but I think his mom was like using the downs their televison, like Oh, I've got one of my room and it was like like the size of my phone screen, like this is tiny. It was this teeny tiny like handheld black and white, you know TV, you know, it's like it's like a little box and had maybe a three in screen and we're trying to play donkey coopsis before like okay, so that little gray blob is donkey Kong. Yeah, look at him go. This is not but even though, looking back, like how did we live with TV's that small? I don't understand. I thank even the ones that were considered big. You look back on now and it's just it's like giants. It's like this quare that's five in, that's like twenty inches and you're like wow, look at this great TV and I'm like, bellow, past it this far away. What right? It happened time. It's fuzzy, like because you got a twist the AV cameless standard death. How did you see anything? Yeah, like it blows my mind. It's pretty muzy. And then the other thing is I had, I had even a friendly similar experience that. He is not a huge Gamer but he plays oakarine of time and he plays martyr Kart six foot. Those are his games, really easy place. So he like he plays Okreing of time like twice a you don't sitting down and play through it. I see here and he came over to my house in land on one time and I was just watching it was Shtq at the time. The Summer Games done quick. I was just watching it and it happened to be Okarine of time. Like right as he came in, I was like, Oh, dude, sit down, you're gonna you gotta Watch this, you're gonna love this. And he's sitting there watching, just getting angrier and angers. You know you can't. It's so true. It's so funny because you like there's a point where you like hop through the lava to you're in the lava tip, you're in the fire temple and you just hopped towards the door into the lava and then you're at the last Gann in fight. Yeah, and he was just human, mad, like I can't believe this game that takes me tends of hours to beat, this guy just slapped in an hour. For those of you don't know, speed runs are when people attempt to beat the game in the fastest time it's ever been done. Yes, and in order to do this, it's always if they have to use as many glitches that that like backdoors the game the gamers kind of forgot or things that they didn't necessarily test out and in order to be the gates, like, naturally, Donkey Kong sixty four, if you were to play through it normally with no glitches or anything, I mean it would take you upwards of fifty hours. But you know, you jump into the corner where the tree wasn't, you know, properly structured to the side wall, and you can squeeze through into threeedimensional space and that's where these speed runners you know. That's why it makes people that play the game correctly, as I would say, makes us so angry, because we put those time and hours and we watch somebody beat the game in twenty minutes and it just like one area, one of the funniest speed runs. I think I might have mentioned some one of the funniest speedruns ever. Is this really? It's not a good game, it's a bad game. That's called two worlds. It's it's it has pretensions to be like an elder school's big open world. RBG should take you tens of hours to beat. Right you can beat it in five minutes because right in the beginning of the game, if you jump over a fence, which is not even hard to do, you skip some sort of figure that loads something. I don't know, but basically the first guy you meet is the last boss and if you punch him he'll kill you.

Right if you if you attack him, he'll take you back. But you can do is you can attack him, run to a nearby village. When he blows you up with magic, it makes all the villagers angry and they will run out and beat the snot out of him, like you'll revive and the pillagers will kill him, will beat him until he dies and the game says, Oh, the last boss just died, you must have won the game and goes right to the end cut scene. It's, I look it up, two worlds. It's feed run. Okay, it's five minutes long. It's Hilarious, it's and and that's one of the things I like about speed once they find the most unique ways to just break the Games in half and you're like, oh my gosh, you can do that. That's amazing. It's more interesting to find with modern day games because you're like, okay, these gamers. They and then what's really funny is to watch the creators of the game. Yeah, watch the speed run because they're sitting in there like Shit, man, yeah, feel like we didn't do it. They like that. They're like, Oh, yeah, I forgot, Oh that fit. Oh No, we connected that the third level. That's so great because on ones is they're like, yeah, we knew that was there, but we just couldn't fix it. Or the stuff like wait, you could do. The best is invest is when they're like what is he doing? Is he about to Oh my God, he just skipped him. Wow, we never thought of it. It's so great because you're like a bunch of little nerdy kids are just are just figuring out these things. It's so funny because I remember, I don't ask me which game it was, but the the developers were watching. He's like, what are you gonna do with this? And the speed runner just like chuckled and they just like completely skip that part of the developers like no, you can't do that. So yeah, but yeah, de cases be four, I mean the dummy to keep us this dude so good. Yes, but you joint and hands together if you want to clap as we take like this monkey is raped. It's really long. There are only five hourses because there are five. It's so long. Oh my gosh, Gosh. Yes, moving to me, I'm a huge fan out. Keep in mind I had six my got math heart. I had five younger siblings. There was a very long period of time where I continue, even after I had technically grown out of it. I continue to watch children's TV, but I think we don't watch children's TV. That's where I'm gonna I think we who is one of the best ball kids shows of all time, and even when, maybe even when they like Blustree Day, I will still go back and watch buss your day. I think it's phenomenal and he's just good. But then the new adventures, which were not as good, but the theme sung for the new adventure. I'm gonna see a friend. Daddy's fuzzy, he's just so. I would, I would, whenever I had to wake eat them up, I would put the song on my phone and turn it all the way out and busting his room, like it's time to get up, it's time to get go, and that shows so like it's like philosophical swear, like a like a sup there is is every now and again from so nobody hops so good. Wellcome the first movie that had like a third eye blind side trailer. Was So mad at the first movie, the the the great adventure, because the first movie right. The whole point is that who is like, Oh, Christopher, were going to be forever together, forever and Christophromes like no, we won't because I have to grow up, and that made me soone like little little nathaniel. Yeah, was angry crying about that. I stopped, PA, I can't believe this, this is I was like this. I was like only gally mad. I was just like how can you do this? This is outrageous, it's unfair. You can't just impossible this happened. I was yeah, all of us, but still you still like the two things. Like our family will still quotes school as see h ohhh skull any time says do you think I was born yesterday? Did we Miss Rabbit's birthday? So many good things. Yeah, my sister is always been a big winnie the Pooh Fan, so she still has her Winnie the Pooh that. She's had his shoes a baby, but yeah, she we watched all kinds of Winnie the poohs it when we were kids, but especially like the new adventures, and I don't know if you guys are old enough to remember, there was a there was a live action show with like all the Pooh characters in like they were all in like these there people in suits, basically what you would see a Disney world. was called welcome to Pooh corner. Do you remember that? Okay, cool, yeah, that one was our jam too. So we watched a lot of Pooh bear growing up. Boom bere was fantastic. We all the way up to like the tigger movie, which was really sad when you think about it. The stickers like Oh, I'm gonna go find my family and it's like no, you're the only ticker. It really depressing. And that he's like, I guess I could tell myself expect the Russ like.

There was some seriously sad stuff that happens in these yeah, kids things. So that. So it was so funny when Abigail name we were growing up. I would not let them watch for the explore because I was like, dor the explorer is a trash TV show from trash kids. You'RE gonna watch clues, clues, Winnie the Pooh and Madeline, and you guys are watching Madeline. Never I remember it and I just never watched it. You beat, you met thing, you know, then you should get to know me. I'll keep you and that I may be Danny first. So it's yeah, it's about this little French girl who's I think she's in an orphanage. But she's so it's like her and her kids and the nun, Miss Lavel and, and Pepito's a little boy. It's so adorable. And but I had a friend he would come over. This has been abigail named. We were really young. He would come over and he would read them books and he found this one that was about a Nazi, the spider, that he could not read to them without bursting out laughing because it's like a Nazi is just the spiders, just like stealing fruit from the other animals. And there's one point we steal these two giant watermelons just like carry him and he's dying laughing. And he would a madeline and he would like rewind it and freeze to be like I had this conspiracy theory that madeline is a Nija assassin and be like playing the cartoon and Possi look there, she jumped from here to hear. What did that cost of your kid? Normal kids can't do that. Sha said Ninja, Madeline, the French, to the French assassin. Ninja is and if you ever listened this, I love you. I love you, man. This is one of my fondest memories of you. Is is new head. Can Watching Madeline with yeah, madeline the Ninja, just like watch the intro and look at her moves and like, you know, if you think about it, like well, they just kind of didn't draw all the frames in the animation, be like no, she's a Ninja. She's just like he's, I think, in human thing. For sure. Kids shows are were what better back then, just because, I mean, I agree with I mean big poof and like I have a podcast we're talking about Innesota Vikings football team and we have a section called the bother of the week and literally we play the Poo clip where he's like Oh, Baba, and it's like he's got so many of them. Is it just like us? Whole rant of him saying Baba, Babba, Baba and in so yeah, big poof and but also like this just shows in general back then we're just smart. I don't know. I love recess and it was an excellent show. Yeah, recess is great. Resist still holds up pretty well. It's all on just meat really does. That's the thing. When I go back and Rewatch like Winnie the Pooh and some of the some of the older kitchen with some of them are still going to that I think. I think blue who's might still be going. I think is they still hold up as like good shows. Dora, I could never caller it because the whole like let me repeat one word over and over again, just did not drive with me and like that's not how I learned. No, I you know, and I don't. I don't think. I think it's like too lowbrow. Sorry Dora fans, but I think did. But I thought everything else was better at teaching my teaching kids and were sorry Dora, I did not. I literally they would. They would try to put on Dora and I would like, nope, loose loose, put it on or watch loose lose. Here's The mail of me ever feels it makes me want to buy my cut when it comes on. Well, poor Steve so we heard like oh my gosh, Steve left because he was doing drugs or something that. No, he left because he was balding and he was like I don't want the kids to see me as like a bald old band like Oh yeah, that's mood for me, the old the Malding old man. Did you guys ever watch any of the so there's kind of like a phase in the mid s where a lot of the cartoons were effectively twenty two minute long commercials for the toys transformers in Gijoe. Yeah, now that that'll passed over me. Okay, so I a few years ago went back and washed all of the one thousand nine hundred and eighty four Gijo series and one. It's hilarious. Some of the lines is like Whoa, that should not be in a kids show. Can Your example? How I shipwreck will, who ended up being like one of the funniest characters. He's a he's a say and so he says lots of weird off color things. He makes reference to my wife. got that in the divorcer. There's something like that. I can't remember now and I I just remembered, like what you guys watch beast wars. I didn't want beast wars. Now I want I watched the og transformers. Dude, beast wars was like was one. I think it might have been the first ever like computer animated TV show. No, that's reboot. Okay, direct kid boom, which I got. I got you. I don't know it. I can't like reboot. Just just up there, look at look it up. I bet you would techno. Actually say that's reboot again, that's...

...reboot. You just got exception porn boy. Okay, anyways, I'm pretty sure it's close. Also, it's what it was supposed to be, like the next phase of transformers, and it was amazing. It was like they were animals, though, that the prehistoric transformers. It was like, well, it was like they were. They were the same character. We're gonna transform. It's like so like instead of, I'm pretty sure instead of the decepticons, it was like that, like it was something to the carnivore. The herbivores was like the carnivons and I don't know what it herb I can't remember that, but honestly it's. Their Youtube video is talking about how amazing that show was. There was like one season and they're like, oh shoot, like this is Garbo, that dude. So beast wars transformers titled Beast. He's transformers and Canada. I like that one better. The beasti eat it read it is maximal's and the PREDACON. Yeah, s red a coon. That was it. Yes, I so you guys need to watch it. It's so funny because I've been watching young justice with with my mother and so many times in the series she's just she's just like looked at me, give me an I'm like, mom, DC is great at naming things, like hope, account burdergo. What did you do? He makes you dizzy. What does this person do? Well, she looks like a cat, Cheetah. All right, moving on, like you realize it is the person that was like this man, he's pretty super he's Superman. I'll just like baseballly, C young. Justice is great, but man, DC is bad at naming things. It's just like the the guy who's making the robust. His name is t o morrow. Tomorrow, a riddler's eat NIGMA. Like, guys, it's not a law that. It's like Carmen San Diego. You don't have to name herself, like if your name is eat Ning, but you don't have to become the riddler, right, you can choose to not do that. But I feel like they're like, well, I'm named enigma. Do I have another option? DC. It's so sloppy. Nothing that much better. But I do think marvel is like better. Slightly low bar, really low bars, just like just skee. MOM DC is good at naving, because there's a masterpiece now I was. I was bringing up the specifically the one thousand nine hundred and eighty four Gi Joe, because there was one episode where the whole premise of the episode is that the Joe's had to get the macguffin device away from yes, yes, my God, mcmuffin, the mcmu mcguffin device. I thought I've about peed my pants laughing at that. It's look, this is the best. They can't do stuff like this anymore in ga Joe. That's funny in Avatar when you call it on a pamium and there's like really, how LESA are you? Yeah, that was good times. My my jam, the like. I really love Gijoe and transformers, but I really loved Jim and the holograms. Did y'all the maybe without one a little before my time. Yeah, Jim, I think I seem like one or two episodes of it. Yeah, it's yeah, it's JEM in the Holograms, right. Yeah, Jim and the holograms. JEM. Yeah, but yeah, it's that's bess. That's like the kind of kind of except nobody knows that Jericho Benten, CEO of bitten whatever is actually Jim because she uses hologram technology to disguise herself. There's a little bit of Scifi in there, which is really fun. But like there are new pop songs, like s pop songs, in every episode and they have a rival band, which are the misfits, but not like the metal band and misfits, but yeah, they you have like at least like you get a new gym song and you get a new misfits song every episode and it's wonderful. It's all like really, really cheesy s music and it's a delight and I love it. I'm thinking of more cartoons that I'm like with these hold up and so so and these are cartoons that my dad grew up on and that he then passed on to meets like looney tunes. Holds up hundred percent. Yeah, when you take this great but here are someones that gigant or, which is like they're anime a's like gigant or the great big robot is that come in like that doesn't quite rhyme. He's bigger than big, tall than tall, quicker than quick, stronger than strong, but even, and I would just like bastardize that, like thicker than thick, longer than long, sticker than stick. You know, father, that bomb like, but also that, I think I mentioned this before. He has this like the way the kid controls the robot is. He has this box that has one button and one joystick, and the only thing he ever did was tap the JOYSTICKOP even go. Dude, Dude, D A gigantory like break dancing up this complex confum. That's so rude, Dude. That's how video games work...

...back then. A Tritari, and then speed racer. Of course, I love speed racer so much, so good, the racer ghost rights. Go, speed racer go, just yes, speed racist, pastic the whole thing. That's like. You had the button that put the struts down and he would use it like bounce his car. Yeah, thats like that would not really help. That works, but okay. And then underdog, underdog does not hold up. No one does, cause it well, so I yeah, like it's fun, but some of the stuff on there as like Whoa, that was inappropriate and racist. Yeah, there's definitely something that was really all them that. There's definitely a little bit of stuff that you're like, you couldn't do that today. Yeah, I just love the secret compartment of my bring I feel with an underdog this superheer energy pill every time, and then the bad guy's plans are always like the most asinine plans you could possibly imagine. Like this guy was his name is Simon, and so he's like having people. He has like a Bhutagne that's actually squirt stuff and he put some like joker gas sort of thing in it. It's like, what are you accomplishing? You're not, like, you're not. I don't understand what you're trying to do here, buddy, and I can be doing but that that theme song for underdog is really good. Yeah, lightning raw, a thunder by, I'm think some things that they so they actually did. So there's a in scrubs heads Acapella mands. So they were doing commercials for a while and then they switched to doing old cartoon in songs. They do the underdog think song. That's fantastic. Trying to think of cartoons that just didn't like, like knt remember for like a year of my life. I'll say the the sonic cartoon doesn't hold up very well. Neither does the Kurby cartoon, but I liked that really I like like the theme song to that gotta go fast and how fast. I love how Sony became the kind of this like punk rock icon sort of thing. It was after I mention I'm so edgy. Yeah, no, he's always been that kind with but he it was it was when that came out that all those knew what like. You remember ultimate muscle? Dude? Do you remember that show? They had the main character who like he had like a fin on his head. It's like a giant lips. It was really weird. Remember that? You don't remember that show? No, Veg, I never it was it was like a musseling show and like ultimate muscle was like the like basic the thing they're all trying to obtain, but they're all like he's bizarre. It's Oh, I remember seeing this and being like Nope, don't want to watch that. It was it's super weird looking, like all the characters are like half of them are animals, half of them are people. It was the same time that that fighting food ONS came out. You Remember Fighting Food Ons? We're like, dude, it's okay. So, like it could weird Florida cartoons. Did you want know this? So it's like it was an anime and it's like the two chefs would come out and you'd make a dish, and you know why, and I do remember the dish would turn into a fighter and like so you'd make like fried riiser was like his main fighter guy, and and in she's very short lived Fox Fox, and they show Sir dumpling was like another fighter, and then there was crab crab quake, and like so these chef would come out and they would like really quickly try to whip something together and then would turn into this fighter and you would go. And then that, like that was just funny time, like it was a wild all these cartoons that Greg, but that's one I might just be. I wasn't like Japanding so great that I too, Oh my God, but that was that was. I didn't like love these shows, but remember being on for short periods of time, and that's why, like that, I'm trying to mention them, because I do remember enjoying them, but again, it was like a year, because I because they just kept this guy. Yes, I don't know that got qualifies for our purposes because, like, I remember really enjoying one, princess, two and three. Try to go back and watch them. They're not they don't hold up right very well at all, except for the villain song and to is like this crazy hard rock music video. There's like jamming and mix the whole hand explode. That was pretty cool. First One frons, still great. You to watch that. So yeah, I mean I feel like a lot of this ends up being nostalgia. But like demolition man, I want the I first watched that like couple years ago. So I have no NOSTALGICA for demolition man. I still, UN ironically, love it. Inspected Gadget to like the inspected get carton. Not Stellar but really fun, and I loved inspector game. Yeah, rude, but there was on. All this is name on Adams, rest in peace, fantastic. Get smart is a show that baby does hold up. Old...

Get smart show was just funny and witty and amazing. Oh my last thing before we wrap up. I think old James Bonds, like a lot of them, don't hold up very well. I love almost all of them. You just have to like the the toxic ascularity is so heavy that you like you, but it's support. I mean it's calm, like you have to be. Like. This is ironically toxically masculine, like it's supposed to just be like like hot, like that terrible. It's a mostly like this is terrible and rood for you, octopussy. Oh my God, it's surprisingly not that bad of a film. It's just like really, guys, come on, it's name is Pussy Galore. No finger. Her name is Pussy Galore, and you like really and Goldfingers. A really good movie, except for that aspect, like you couldn't named her anything of the know. You named her Pussy Galore. That is you chose to do that. James Bond doesn't get yeah, right, but it's true. I'm a sucker for a series. I'm a sucker for just getting like like I'm I watched the twilight series when I got bored one time because I'm like, well, there are like five of them, let's just see how and they are forbidden to sid did not enjoy any minute of it, but at least I was like, I want to what happens next, so I played the next. So, like, I can see that with a James Bond movies, where it's like okay, well, what's this? At least follow this character. So I'm a sucker for that, even if it's a bad series. See, I won't do that. If I'm like this is garbage, I will stop watching it and look up what happened to Oh yeah, I'm glad I didn't watch that. I'm a sucker. I have to be going. Even tron Drohn comes out and I like wouldn't watch the original tron. If you seen the original drawn it is. Tron is great. It is. Yeah, it's very corny, though, like I would say that that definitely it's cool. It's it's not fun, it's just interesting, really real. It's in my opinion, it's. Yeah, exactly. I would that it relates just like Oh, yeah, like, but the Jack Round, like, yeah, death and all that is hunding. Mean that the soundtrack is worth it, just like you could. You Could Watch the movie just for the Soundtrack alone, but the movie itself still carries hers. It's done very fun special effects. But yeah, the original one, it's like imagine tron without the fun special effects and the music and you're like, oh, and so it's definitely interesting. But yeah, I'm the kind of guy that's like I've got a yeah, all right, so great's giving me the we run over two hours. So Im but so I just want to. Yeah, so I was. I was. I was thinking about what other people's guilty pleasures, again, not guilty pleasures, but like go toos for garbage go toos might be. And like Naomi and polls, why Anna have a giant box of Barbie DVD's and when they're both back here they will put them on and quote every single line. I'm like, when did you watch these? I don't remember ever seeing any of these, like not a single one. When did you all watch these? And it's funny too, because a lot of it, like the a lot of them is like car reading. I'm in fables and things like that. So it's actually some of it's like, actually, just all right. So we're going to wrap up. So please do let us know. What is your again, not guilty pleasure, but what is your lowbrow? Maybe that's on the ways, but why do you like that? Other people just don't get. What do you like? You're like, unashamed, unironically. I love this so much it brings me joy, regardless of what other people think of it. So you let you let us know. You can email us dearly debated at gmailcom, send us a tweet at dearly debated and you can reach me at only Golem big and I have a food podcast, a food cooking youtube show thing that the kitchen chemist on Youtube. We have a facebook group, facebookcom. Slash group says kitchen chemist. Really debated as a facebook group, facebookcom groups dewly debated. And then, yeah, Ashley, for People Find You all right, you can hit me up on the tweets at the nerdy blogger. You can like my facebook page at facebookcom the nerdy blogger. You can visit my blog, the nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom. You can also read my work on Fangirlishcom, where I have my weekly column, way back Wednesday, where I review one retro film a week. One of those is Jos and the Pussy Gass, by the way. You can go back and leave that one. I also going to contributor to pop culture retro Ramacom, and it's podcast railery. You can find me on facebook at chapter one films. You can also find me on instagram chapter underscore one. Underscore films. That is oo in at the number. You can check out my website, chapter one films Dot Biz. I'm a video production company for you guys haven't noticed yet, and you can email me it greg at chapter one films Dot Bis. So remember next time you tell say, Hey, I really like this TV show, this movie, and your friends are like the serious cut steam. By all accounts, it doesn't make sense. All you have to say to them is don't let a mail do one.

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