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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 19 · 10 months ago

You Didn't Stick The Landing

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The last podcast we recorded in 2020 is here, right on (some arbitrary) schedule! Appropriately enough, we're talking about terrible endings! Greg is gone, girl, Ashley is really sweary, and Nathanael was probably dead the whole time!

The night keens going to do that thingwhere he raises his arms and all the dead come back to life. Oh boy andTerian, and a bunch of people are down in the crypt. So you know it gets scary,so they're fighting a guy that can raise the dead and they go hide in thecrips. I thought Tyrian was the smart one he used to be, but now e needthings to happen really fast. So that's all over Oh okay, an'! So then JohnScreams at a dragon for some reason- but's, that's cool, I guess mayby andthen Aria sneaks up on the night, King and Stabs Hem, and you know that's theend of winter. Oh, it's overyip Ulle done so moving op. We wait! That's justit! That's it! So, anyway, we've been building towards this for eight seasons.It's just done with the quick stab it is yeah. So what was with the nightkings connection to brand or that weird symbol that kept popping up for thefact that the white walkers listen, Sir? I'm going to need you to get all theway off my back about winter. Okay! It's over, we got to move on O. I justfeel a little empty inside it feels like this could have been fleshed out.Well, there's no time, there's only a couple of episodes left. You can havemore episodes. If you want just don't see any other way other than rushing it.You could do it in more episode. Damn this short final season off. Okay, ANKFOR, you! Well it's what you Wal Wel, you Foruwelle you Wa dely debated its a newY ad. The WYANI think I still got some sorry. I love reipes Ragty Sawagh, welcome todoing debated the show your entile to your opinion. Even if it's long, I feellike we're going to get intoto a little more controversial territory with thisone. So today, we're talking about, shows that and movies that ended in away that made you rage so not necessarily shows that were bad andthen horrly so like she like. Well, that was a bad show and then it wasalso bad. That's not what we're talking about we're talking about oly in theshow was so good and then the this came out of the telicon stream punched youin the in the Gut tey're like okay, I'm never watching that show again so so ithurts more when it's actually good. Yes, exactly! These are the ones thatactually like he'se at the painful ines wher. You were like wow. Why would youdo that can't believe you've done this thishappen, so s I'll start with one just giveon an example of what I'm talkingabout Hi arly? Who are we you're right? I am an Nataniel. I can't believeyou've done this Levinson with me man. I don't have my creative Mell name.I am Robert Gregory Brenz. I gotta say so your name again, I youare. I am Greg Friends, and actually I am a I'm Ashley, the things I watched forLove Thomas, so so I figure we'll start with just onethat that's really easy to explain for me that that I was like I watchedthis whole movie and then the ending was like okay, so you just waisted toand a half hours of my life, and that was the international with Myboen Ialmost Lai Cli Barker and I almost say Cliv Barker Oen, but neither those arerights HIVON. Who is like the poor man's Jason Sathan. I think it's rudeto say, but I don't think I' far off there or I guess the Pont Mani, SanelCraig, maybe Yeah Jis sifinis a little bies little Morta, you guys for the mihMar Tal ar se yeah yeah yeah stick and goes foth. The grup of your stuff, butthe international basically clyboen is is a he's a spy or he gets caught up ina in a whole spie thing where this group of tanks is doing something teFarious, maybe he's a reporter, I'm a little fuzzy on exactly who clevo inwas in the movie. Ohern, I fact that he was a Badass right and it was you knowthe bades actual movie. He heends up fighting this organization and he endsup basically beating them and finding this information, that's is supposed totake them under and the very end of the movie. It cuts away from Clibo andhaving done what he was supposed to be doing and it cuts away to the peoplewho work at in the organization just carrying on as if nothing happened andthe point being like well, he did all this stuff to stop this organizationand the organation is so big that literally it did not matter. I was likeokay, so why did I watch that movie? Why did I watch Myvoane Getin thisfight and do this when it was literally all puint Becaus? What I think was thepoint they were trying to make, but like okay, I recognize that yeah. Okay,let's go the the financial crist two thousand and eight right, the banks dida bunch of bad stuff and then they got golden parishos like yeah, that sucksin real life. So why do you Wa having that happened in my movie? Because,right, you maybe sit through two and a half hours of t e Pibo and trying toget justice, and then it just meaning literally nothing andlike and then inRolls Credit Se like okay? Well, I'm...

...never watching that movie again so andI feel like a lot of the endings that are kind of like gut punches, where thebag guy wins or Youll, like that, where you just like really will come on. Ijust wasted my time. There are a couple exceptions, but Ifeel like, in a large part, the movies that just have those Gut Punch endingssome people like them, I'm just like. Okay, you just wasted my life. Well, Ithink also, like you said, you gave an example of a real life situation and Ithink, when movies attempts to be a little more realistic with theirendings, you get one crowd. That's going like like there's so much morethan relation to then it's and then you have the other croud going. I'mwatching a movie, it's like Butyou're, watching it for the fantastical endinglike that's. Why that's why we went through all like the suffering of likeimagine. If you watch shawshake predemption an the movie is justpainful and kind of hard and it's heavy to watch and then at the end the guyjust dies it' be like no, no, this thats. This is what I bes like. Is Welike he crawls out of the pipe to freedom and they're, just waiting forhim to throw back an dail? I it's realistic, but nobody would want towatch that movie anymore fo. I actually agree one of the movies that I it's funny an a mentioned this when we're talking about before it's not necessarily a movie. I don't hate thismovie at all. Think's AK amazing movie the departed. I think it's a fantasticmovie. I even think the ending gives a little something, but it's, but it'sone of those. At the end, when I watched the ending originally it mademe extremelyman, like you could say that I was close to raging where I waslike: okay, because you're watching Leonardo Wi captain spoilers ahead forto the party, which has a lot of Oh yeah. This is this: This is going to bea spoiler heavy yeah, disgussion tack, O y talking about the endings. So justheads up skip past this. If you don't want to hear the end of the party butLein Order, Vacapro was undercover in, like you know, one of the mob familiesin New York- and there is a cop, that's undercover for the mob in the lapper inthe police department, and so it's about the two of them kind of trying tobe rats, but not get caught and Lenard Tacapios, just getting the crap beatingout of constant he's, just he's going through mental stuff because he'shaving to watch all this brutality and he's going to see therapists and he's.You know getting hooked on pills and he', and he just wants count every two.Second, for the cops that put him there like know, we got to keep you in foryour safety he's freaking out. He thinks he's going to diet every tirnand finally, at the end of this one cop, that's secretly a rat who's. Just getme geting in all these promotions gets t the girls. It's the Nice House getsall this prase. Finally, Leonardo capio catches him. He gets the evidence andhe's got a Mus he's going to take him in and then he gets down like they'retaking him throug an elevator and the elevetor door opens and then ban younowder to Cap Yo, shot N, he head Hes, ddwo N, and it's like that's and ultimately, if you watch the endmark walberd comes out of nowhere and like a you know like a shower cap andthen tills, you know be a bad guy to bury in that's the ending seeing is heshoots him and then walks out, which is great, it's a phenomenal last scene,but the fact that you were just like Len arder to capios characters like sosympathized with and that's just it. He just he just went through all thesuffering and ultimately he did bring somebody to justice, but he didn't getto see if he died and- and so it makes you so mad you're. Just like every timeyou watch it. You'e like I', just miss just miss with that one bullet and youget your so close. Your silk and then band Gusin, your life and, and so that's definitely one of thoseendings that every time I watch it, I'm like ohplease turn out differently.Somehow Somi an never hape be one of those venturs, but it's funny. Itdidn't make me hate the movie, but it definitely made me rage. I was like Ohcome on. I feel like there are a couple shows that had similar things, wherethe bad guys getting away with stuff, but then it always would eventuallycorrect itself. Like I mentioned, talked about one of twenty four, wherethe the president's wife, David Hater, I think thell state guy, Idon't think stavid Hader. I think I said that last time to anyways the guyw the old state guy who's in it is asthe's. Looking up for me, yeah he'sthe president and his wife is just like the worst person she just manipulativeand commiving, and in it for power and she's, constantly undercutting him andbackstabbing him and you're. Like Oh, my gosh, someone, please hit this womanand then, finally, after like two seasons of painful ere, getting awaywith everything and getting Aya with everything they finally patch her andshe gets her come up hat', he doesn't get killed o she like was't, Ewa good.I didn't want her to die. I just wanted her to know suffer consequence for allthe horrible things she had been doingand. She finally does and- and allstate president is like to her faces, like your terrible person will pop andcou us. I literally stood up me and my rommate were watching at the time.Literasy tod up were like yeah, the guy that says this were all stageTes, that guy an that is Dennis Haysberg Dennis Haysburg. There we go.He was in Brooklyn nit nine as well. I made aCammeop bopoas as holts one who polls old partners and is like exactly thesame person's hole. That is also dirty. That's yeah, so fucking yeah he's greats great great voice, yeah! Oh Yeah, Oh...

...yeah, that's all states tan, that's ayeah, absolutely great voice, yeah, but but but it those you actually get toget the come up ands, but in the international it's like all of that andthen they don't is just like. But no itdidn't matter and that's what like this ons, I think ealways try to do thatlots of times and it's just it's just too painful and Ik yeah like there's amovie where I wasn't going to mention it, because I'm not a huge fan of themovie period. It's gone girl and we've talked about this a little bit werslike the whole movie itself. Just wasn't all that exciting to me, butit's about this woman who brings her husband and runs away and everybod'slike okay, she's Goinna get cout just gonta get caught. Yor Watch the moviewaiting for this to happen and the end she goes even more extreme and framesomebody else for like holding her hostage and then kills him and thencomes back. And then everybody praises her as like. This really heroic woman,and then she comes back and like gets with her husband and he's and he's liketerrified. The ending scene is like its her sit like telling him because she'slike Oh, we can only talk in the shower because, like that way, I know youdon't have any recorders or anything and then she's just like hope by theway like if you ever do anythingand, I don't know, and it just and that'stother movie end it's like hit's, just terrible. I and I wouldn't necessarilysy rage just because that whole movie was just kind of a drag, but I was asdefinitely like why why I'm like this is too ready who enjoys this? whoenjoys the injustice of this movie? Yeah, I don't know, I saw a mame oncethat said the good for you good for her cinematicuniverse, and that was one of the movies in the namegirl yeah. I meanI've, never seen gon girl, based on what you guys have mentioned about thatand what Ryan told me because Bryan watched it and he's like you're, notGOINGNA enjoy it. So it's rough he's like it's a great thriller, but you will be very dissatisfied with theines like and and based on what I know of the content. s like that willprobably not be something that is good for me to watch. I noton be good fron,the mental yeah it was. It was definitely disturbing in the sense thatyou know what every time you're left with one of those movies where you're,like Oh people, could be lying to me and like I could be deceived thateasily make you just werreading sad and you go to see with e weird feeling inyour stomach, and that was one of the biggest, because I was just likeAhreally Mye, jus known everybody and she killed Athse innocent people like there were definitely some interesting thinking about that men.They for definitely some interesting if it like to just film choices in that,because you getting away with this, is you know a weird weird movie, yegays, aprobably not seen. I was thinking about Baden things, inting that, like haveyou guys ever heard of the movie meet Joe Black I've heard of yes, you guysknow like the premise I feel like I, you know what the Peres place- yeah,okay, one it's super long, and it's not that great. So I fi explain to, andit's not going to break your Hart. I watched it in college and I was likethe only thing I remembers like the actress and it is gorgeous. I know anythink she plays a whole lot of other movies, but she was just likeSuperprett like man. Bradpitt is this dude whe meets this Jo Black? Yes, well,yeah he's. I think he is that as staying the whole time, maybe it's hisname the whole time but yeah he meets this girl. A coffee shop walks away inboom gets it by a car. It's pretty hilarious, like you watch the firsttime and you just start laughing because it comes out of nowhere. Youjust get sit by a car and it's like kind of silly animation Han flies overand like Li into a wall. anyways he's dead. He does, but when she isnit seashe walked around the corner and then this Guy Joe Black Bread Pitt, shows upat her father's house who's played by Oh who's, the guy that plays Anibal,acter and e Oen. There we go so andtany,Hopkins or father is getting older. I think I think it's his birthday,there's like a big party. At the end, I think it's like his nintiht, very oldbirthday or some promotion at work. I don't know what it is, but basicallyJoe Black comes back and enbodies Bradpitt's body and his death and hecomes to collect. You Know Anthony Hopkins and he, I guess, Beckons withthem and says: Hey: Can you wait until this party or something or whatever,and so death is actually enjoying being on earth as treatpit? And I mean yeah,yes, be bread, I know Wain the Co. You know he's like real curious and justkind of coy and like really funny and goofy and charming just because he'snever seen anything and everythings really exciting for him, and so it'skind of a funny little deal and him and her get along and then they end upfalling in love, and you know making love a bunch of times and then at theend she figures it out. I guess and he'slike: Oh actually like I'm deaf and I'm here to take your dad, and so he takeshis dad and then leaves bread pit and she's like...

...thanks death and then her and bread pitwalk off at the end and I'm like I'm like wait, you fell in love withanother being that just happened to be in Bradpitt's body. You've not evenmeant like again, it's bread pitts, that's. My point is like the moral, thestory whoever's in Badpiss Bodyshe meeds this guy and just gives him hernumber and they like. They talked like two seconds at a copy shop, and that'sit. That's that's the extent that she knows this person and then the entiremovie she's. Getting to now death that just inhabiting his body, but then oncedeath leaves and leaves his body behind it. N, like the person that CGUT hit bythe car like keeps it pracy and gives him his life back because, like he'slike okay I'll, take your father but I'll leave you this guy and she's likeOh, thank you and it's like, but that's not him! You didn't fall in love withthat guy. You don't even know him. He like POPs back he's like I don know howI'm here, I'm just like Whel we've got time and like smiles, and I I'm likethis is weet like it just didn't, seem right, I'm like dos. Nobody realizethat that wasn't actually bread pitying him. I taking crazy bills. The RedPinit was just so bizarre because I think you weren't like really focusinghard you're, probably just sitting there, not in your head at the end ofthe movie, to Y, like all right, they're, together and you're like wait,what they don't even know each other and they she's like all ready to fallin love with them again and I'm like you, don't even know this Guy Yo justhappens to be inhabiting the body of the last guy. You love like this isn'tmake any dense. I just thought I was like they weregoing for something really specials and ending like death, gave her a gift andpay him this guy back imike it death was like here's bread Pitt, I be likeyeah, okay, thanks Teth, I mean we don't get tohang out anymore, but yeah I mean Nexor, leaving your shell behind also goodshellto, Pi, yeah Ou know if you're Gonto pick one EXTIMSO, so I went back and found thatthe good for her cinematic universe- and it's got a movie on here that should be on my list for endings. Thatmade me so mad. I wentento like throw stuff at the screen, but just just soyou all know, what's in the good for her cinematic universe, is the witchmidsummer us, the invisible man, the new one withLizabe? I did hear that was really good. It is banging it's awesome, knives outgone girl, ready or not, and the two thousand and eighteen siperia that a the one that makes me want tothrow stuff. I feel like all of these are like. Why is it good for her? These are allhorrible movies like bad for Everyonei'm. Sorry, have you all notseen y? I know you' All seen Ho Yeah Bot bad movies, with the exception ofNives at, but all these like porror movies, where it's bad for everyone,but the girl comes out on top and teawher that happens that Ar horrm Ihave. I know I just I found it amuzing yeah, but the one I'd like to touch onif you are ready to move on eed o meet you thanks for Badpitt Yeah Webe, the Wo Thousand and Geen Operia.So you know I love Bor modies. Have you watched e, the original? Yes and IAdore H, Yo r original and I am a fan of adaptation- I think ediptation isinteresting. I have no problems like there are. No, there are almost nosacred cows to me, so it doesn't bother me when thanks O beremade or rebuted, or anything like that on paper. I should adoreeverything about this movie. It's a reboot of one of, in my opinion, one ofthe best horror films ever made to it's got told of Swittond in it whoI adore and she's playing three completelydifferent roles, one of which is an old man. So I'm justlike what is this. This is so cool and and it's got a really cool score by TomMork of Radio head, so I'm like there. There should be so many things that I'mgoing to really love about this movie, and so I got to watch it and you know Ihad. I ended up with a free movie ticket from doing some sort ofpromotion, and I was like man I don't know like if I should be mad,that I wasted my free movie ticket on this movie that I am so now so angryabout or or I should be glad that I didn't pay actual money for this movie,because you know tailers for the original susperiof, the originalsuspirit as a one thousand nine hundred and Seventy Eight D. seventy nine Italian horror filmd by Dori Orgento,really beautiful, cinmatography interesting use of like color Ye. Havethat crazy score from that that Goblin? Yes, yes, I don't know if you', ifyouall got to that on my Halloween playlist for the Halloween party, but Iput he the theme from Se Pery on there. The music is amazing, it's really cool!You get to see it in the theater,...

...because all the sounds come through differentchannel. So it's really disorienting. I've seen the the tingwards Lok e, likefall. Superstayine, glass, T's, crazy, yeah, yeah, great great film, so thisremake of susperias by Luca can't say his last name, because it's really longan an Italianoh so isologize for me, keep Talin Yeah Stars, Decota, fanningar not to co, Fan, I'm sorry, Tocoto Johnson, most people- I guess, know herfor that y Shi, a Gra this. This is what I I've seen her in something else,but it wasn't that anyway, she was. She was pretty good in the film it had theoriginal Susperias Star, Jesica Harper, making a a cameo appearance in the filmtold us, went and playing three different goals. This movie was aboutan hour longer than the original, and they added a different like like a kindof a side story with one of Tinas witten's characters, the old manpsychologist and Yeah Ho. Those are desarve sounds thatinen to makeathe the side story, edit, absolutelynothing to the film except for an hour. The cinematography was not there. Theydidn't even like do like. I would think something and to be fair. I readafterwards Luca can't say his last name well, Bugmmol yeah, that guy he he wanted to kind of do his own thing.Like kind of take the idea of the film andto his thing, that's fair, but thestuff that he changed and added to the story did absolutely nothing for thefilm and then you get to the end which spoilers at the end of the original Susperia,Jesica Harper's character. You know, kills the head witch, Holena, Marcosand escapes, and so you know it's not like a super happy enning, but sheescapes with her life and that's that's really cool. That's amazing! You knowgood for her. We get to the end and tecoto Johnson's characters samecharacter turns out she's the head witch and she kills. Everyone is likethis satanic, like blood explosion, sex, dance and Wa was. This is is this? Whatinspired blood machine don't know haven't seen Puch, it was terible towatch it yeah. Well, so was this don't watch it like what drove me nuts like, and so Iactually did go back and watch the film a second time because my friend Jasminewho's also stepwrider a fanger. It wish she loves the new SUSPERIO and hatesthe old one, and I love the old one and hate the new one. So we wrote a articletogether called the tale to superious. So I, when I went back and watched itagain, I could see some little tells that where you could see, oh she'sactually going to turn. But what drove me mad? Is I don't like being bated andswitched and made to root for the bad guy? That's what made me Matt. I know I'm awhome with as much as Ilove horror movies, I'm wawful good. I want the good guys to win and I justhated the bait and switch to that and I hated that on favor. I should loveeverything about this movie, because it's an adaptation. It's got toesswinton in three different goals: There's no reason the shouldn't, loveit, and, and yet, by the end, I'm just like the only thing I like about thismovie is the score, and even the score isn't even like remotely comparable tothe Goblin score in the original, which I think is wile. The Tom York score isvery cool on its own. It doesn't hol the Cande to gob one anyway. That'sthat's my my rant Abou iperia T, O thosand and eighteen don't watch it. I have to agree with you, though, onthe whole like feeling like, like you're voting for the bad guy at theend of the movie. Is such a it's such a cop out, I think, by the writers to dolike, because the bat an switch or the twist or whatever you want to call it e,like it's only meing. The thing you were just talkng about this yesterday,like big twists and movies, are done. Well, if you've been given enough tounderstand a what the twist is going to be, but maybe it still got you and youcan watch it again, go ohman. All these things were right in front of my faceand I missed it, but the movies like that towherd, it's like, even if it waslooking really hard. How was I supposed to know like I've, been rooting forthis person the whole time and then now all of a sudden like they're terriblelike why do you do that? Tod, like it just makes me angry now, Rih? No, Iagree with that Yeahyeah. So so yeah that thatis my beef with the TwenyEiten iperia. Please tell me how to say Lucas last name again without yourPhoiian accent, Wad, it's Guadog me! No! What I yo WHABOG NEMO! Mr Lok, I doapologize. If we have buttink your last name, you got to do this and then itpos naturally no go God. I mean no. Now that's still nock on Jaz for me, but he's also the guy that directedcall me by your name, which one can was that the one you were talking aboutwith the beach yeah. You really didn't like yeah it Isas, O ikising yeah. LikeI from what I know about that film. It's probably not going to be one I'mgoing to enjoy either mostly B because...

...it in sadly, I do really enjoy AtimothyShallomey, seoh, yeah, excellent and Army Hammer is awsome a do. It's justan interesting story. Lik, it's pretty much bouter like an older man, O seesis Agan Yeah, which is like on its face alreadysomething that I'm like not entirely right. That they're like look. We canmake this beautiful and, like I don't necessarily know if I want to make Thamyou- and I say your going after somebody under age, its not appropriatelike and then there's like a pretty famous scene where, like he sx an psh,I don't know if Modern Day texting has encouraged this with the use of thesexy Peachamoji. But I mean I can't say that I know that about the film and nowI know I will never watch it as a very intimate scene between this young boyand the beach and Ros like I yeah, let's not get off on a ran, but yeahthat was a that was a whole too much of a movie for me and every way Ar that amovie coan be too much wow movies, the bad ending move to that ending okay, soor TV shows okay. So I got to I get to that. I can go through real quick, butone one that the- and this is more of a when you adapt a when you adapt adifferent material into a movie and you change the ending it needs to bebecause the original ending was unfilmable. That's the only real excusefor because if the original ending was bad, then you could change it. So letme give an example: Fight Club and the book is much better in my mind becauseit's left ambiguous whether Tyler Girden is actually gone. Feris in themovie, it's kind of a happy ending. That's when, where I think the happyending was a little bit of a copy, I don't think it's bad, but I think Iactually preferred the book ending where it was kind of ambiguous wis.Usually I don't like that, but it's written well enough that I actually, Iactually enjoyed the book anymore, but so I'll have to do a Harry Potter that,especially now that Brendas watkred read all of it yeah and it's totallyinvested wellv to do a Harry Potter in he's. Go back in your watching moviesand mee with the books. Yeah say it's been a while, since I've watched allthe Ho yes Bu Ouser, I watchd them recently, but so o never seen him, butso and think that I think the the seven, the seventh eighth movies, which is theseventh book, I think, were great and you're really good. There is one thing:Tho changed about the ending which I thought was dumb and and removed a lotof the emotional stakes of book ending which is the elder one yep, the olderone. Is this one. That's like cursed and passed on to generations and Harryis like the power of the elder. Wone is because people believe that it has thismysical powernd, so they're always going to fight for it, and so, if youkill the original owner than the wane becomes yours, so if I die of naturalcauses, then it it just spells the curse of the Lon. So what he does is hebaries it in dumble, vers great and says when I die itw'll remove the theyou know: Forin Basic Im, breating the chain of the Alter Wan forever, and Iwas like, is really powerful. mummers like I could continue to use it, butI'm going to use Mike who uses it to repair his old one, his original oneand then buries it with Thum Bok Grave Itas, like a really good moment in themovie, just like this thino up ye, that's ittheriver nowlike Oh, my God, especially because they had the scene with dumbledorsgrave, where they like lowered im in in the ground like you could have done itthere. Why did you change that? It added nothing and in fact it removed.They removed like like moment of Harry, showing how he's matured overall, likeI feel like the films ar good adaptations, but yes, that Bagfcor madme Ma. I think the other thing that irked me about t the final film is thatyou not almost too hot. I couldn't take it and knowthat. I not bother me at alldret. I was distracted. What really irked me was that you, the whole point of Harry gathering thehallows, is that he becomes master of death right and o. You basically show Harry defeatingVoldemort by pointing his wand really hard at him right, and I you don't getthe final speech of Harry, saying you don't understand why no none of yourcurses are binding and why I can defeat you. You know it's not that Harry'sgoing to you know, say Abota, Kadavra and kill him he's. He says it's Felluonthis and that Harry's all about instead of attackiens, all aboutdefense, a d and again, that is how he becomes the master of death- is that hegains mastery over all the hallows but is not ruled by them. There are lots ofother things that we could go into with. With that I wrote my Undergrad thes ison Christian symbols and Harryn totter, and that was before the last book cameout. So this is iaminol Te wors, just like Doesese Ght. So so for me like that that to mediluted being the idea that Harry is a price figur, roug film, because youknow Christ is you becomes master of the depth, it wasnot just that he died. It was that he rose again and became mastero o death,and that's what Harry does you know he dies and has you know a resurrectionand, and you knothrough that ACIC and...

...because he gave himself or his peoplethat allow them to be fon? We still need to have the big discussion on okay.So the reason Harry th that Tevoti caaver reflected was because lilysacrificed yourself. It was ack Oscure love and what you're telling me is noone has ever done that before three Lewis of thegirl imean. Obviously it's been done before how else woul she have known todo it? No, she did it Nsthe Abticanea, maybe yeah, well, andalso, I think it's different, because it's also different whecaus boldemortwas trying to create a forcup O thity, four pronks, because yeah and sobecause lily got in his way that cre it made Harry the accent, wontal right,right and Kno. I recagnized that, like that's, why he became a horror, craxand that's why it was connecting with et, but the reason it didn't kill. Himwas because of Lily Love, yes, which dumbled hers like it's love and likeKay. Why doesn't everyone jus use, love, lovs, apparely, really good Spelle, youdode its. I od spell you Jou, but it's Mary costly, I'm just saying like weshould see. We should have seen a lot more heartshaped spells like justobliterating te menthors. I'm sorry are you wanting like spells that come outlike in the shape of like carbear stair yeah peope, like throwing litle bombs thathave the little like the Valentine's chalk? Candy like thatyour mind. Don't they have spells like that Ooeon? But that's! So, let's go so. Let's M go it. The TVshows okay! So because I had one more movie: Okay Go Fari had a couple yeah Ididn't, I didn't mean like permanently. I just ment like Oh yeah, O TV shows, and I ges I'll say adifferent one, because I know you're going to want that. One bhattill startElacticu and I think you might jisagree with me- and I like the ending okay soand it's not until the very, very, very, very, very, very, very ending abautstuggle actoat Im Bot, a huge spoiler here right they're doing this wholething with the silons then turns out that they're like what six or eighthuman looking silons and that they're all inveted in Goa pel. They happen toall be fettled ambedded on lack they're all within the the truth right, butthey end up basically coming to a piece. ofgreement and hey when they find earthand they're like Wel, we're just going to settle here and we're going to stopfighting and we're going to give up our technology and whatever they go down toEarth and one of the silence that had a baby. So there's like a half silentbaby and they go down earth and they see they see e the ancient tribes ofearth and the like we're going to intermingle with them, and they likefast forwards. The present day and there's like Angel Caprica and AngelBritish Silan, Guy and they're. Just like reading the they pull up somenewspaper headline about Ai, an Lihe, Maltar, yeah guyis, and they pull upsome headline and like it's starting again, humanity better, be careful andit turns out the Oh. You know the half silent baby was Midho condrial eve andOh humanityes headed towards the same thing, and I'm like. Why didn't youjust end twenty minutes earlier when you're like and we're going to startyour life up, earth the, and I would have been fine with thatt's a littlesappy. I wandn, find with ut ATD. Then they tried to tie it to this, like ohshaking FIS like a captain, planet message, Bout, IO, humanity, better,watch out and look it's tied to real life. Now I know it was really in thepaths. Then I was like this cade literally came out of nowhere mesabsolutely nothing and was really stupid. I hated it. I thought it was sodumb. I thought it was so dumb and I wouldn't say that I loved Itt perse,but I didn't really have a problem with it. I think my biggest thing was whothe hell was startbout star t my Nex Tru, that's true! So Iyou know there's so many things I adore about her and I like so I'm such acompletionist. Before I watched the you know the two thousand and four that wasSartal Actita. I went back and watch N th S, Bounar Galactica, because Ashleycan't handle it, and so that was one of the things I waslike Whoa. This chick looks nothing like Dirk Bennedit come on so but Shouldthav my favorite characterthrough the whole thing. So my thing was like I don't understandlike what they were trying to accomplish with her and what they weretrying to do there, so that that was like my real beef with the ending and I've only watched Ben sortalacticalonce so. I'm willing to go back and revisit and see if I feel differently,but yeah I did get make a little mixed up with like the timeline and stuff waswhat they were trying to do with that, o the the whole its starting again. Imean it kind of feels like the whole, like the ending of playing o the agsbut's like, and they were on earth the whole time, but it didn't make like itwas. It was just stupid. It was like this hol BA stoc have to too fasts inthe past and we're actually all park...

...stil on, like it literally meansnothing like it's so stupid, and these ain't you never explaind, why you haveAngel Capricannd Angel, guys yeah, like you, never explain that they're justthere and people see them occasionally in the show, but they're neverexplainig at they're, not signlons, they're, literally as far as we cantell, they are just literally angels, and it's it's just like at the hell.Are you even Doit, and especially s? I really think it should have just endedwith a Dama bearing what's yeur bucket on the hill. Excuse me that isPresident Laura Rosat, Laura Rosan who's, awesom Gosh. It's been a whileto Watsh the that's my present utoulavended with. Ishould have ended with Edward James, almost bearing her on the hill, andthen it like panning up and showing people you know starting to rebuild andthen going to credits, that's how it should have ended and they just packedon. It really felt like an afterthought. This tacked on thing that like was like,oh moving. Here's the real meaning behind it all like, so that just like, I didn't think itdidn't like ruin everything that came before it didn't like turn everythingaround, but it was just like really that was dumb. No, you didn't Plann itkind of like when authors will, like years later, come out with her liionlike yeah. I was playing it the whole time. Like know you Burtin O you'rewrong. You were not planning that don't even your lion but yeah thatwas like alice to go back up the ending. Was They shous cut? One episode, Soo much needto watch by Sarro Lefte, it's good. It's really good ou! You would reallyenjoy I great yeah. I thought it was and that's I think, that's what made itso. Such a bummer for me is that at Christendos, Crochetdos Crocendos andI'm just like, like total, boring eyes, blazing overending, and I was like okay,I guess it's done what o I do now. So Ye hat out with the whimper, but Ishuld have gote on Te. Bang Ohman all right. So I know this one you'll atleast join it on I', not sure how much you have watched this show, but how Imet your mother and a Watcheoh, and you like the ending right Isib. I did nothave a problem oing. Let's put it that way. I I also did not have like a superlike I enjoyed how much your mother thought. It was really fun, but I wasnot super emotionally invested in it. Lo I get with other TVJAS. I candefinitely respect that like so. For me, it was the opposite. Like Ta EtanMother was like deeply emotionally invested by meand was one of my favorite shows. I think it's still still is you knowlooking back at it like that was that was like my show. During the timeI was like, I watched it all the time. Love. How much mother still do can goback and watch for Anom men, soids love it characters are great in my opinionand again pothers Cud the whole. The whole Quam of the last season is thatyou use the whole entire last season to finally meet the kids mothers. That'slike the whole premise of the show is that tetis talking to hise kids abouthow I met your mother finally meet the mother, beginning of t the last seasondeveloper character, you get to know where and then it pretty much. The lastepisode, I believe it's the last episode you find out. She was dying thewhole time and now she's she's dead wild. That was not my response when she died.I was I was very sad, but then the kids turn and they're like oh well, just goout with Aunt Robin and then that's how the show ends Robin Devorceis. BarneyBarney gets a kid with somebody who leaves him and thentake it in his bankdovervest yeah yeah, and then he maries or I guess I don'teven know if you see them e get married, but he gets with robber. That's ODE now,which that frustrated me so much, because I honestly thought the mostborn character that entire show is Ted, mostly yeah. Well Yeah. Certainly Tedis like, like Robin's, a funny Carac Robins, a great character, es greatcarars, an Mo Si like lily and March Lilian marshalls. Together thing isawesome, I do h it like tetis funny, sometimes yeah, certainly sure ut.Those show kind of rappd together really well yeah, but my whole problem,just from a writing standpoint, is just like all right, regardless of whatdirection you enjoy, regardless of whether you were like I'm team, youknow Ted and Robin all the way if you spint the entire last season,developing ten and robin getting together. As that being the big thingand, at the very end, Robin died and Ted got with the mother. I would alsoconsider that to be a terrible in thing, it wasn't necessarily for me. What theydecided to do is how they did threat, and it was like. I don't know. Ifthere's any way, you can twist this, where that's not a cop out and beinglike all right. Well, let's just make U- and I haven't necessarily heard a wholelot of arguments to be like, oh well, it made sense to where they would spenthe whole last season. This is when you are fit like they are like this is thelast season. I higmenth your mother, we're developing this new character.You're starting to understand her at the very in being like Nat, was neverabout here. Let's get her off the screen now we're back to the originalfour Iwas, like so just seems weird nfifor me ylike, so to I come out itwith of two minds, because when I watched it I was like really. I hadthat sang reaction. I real like really...

...and I kind of felt like cristen Milat actess. She played tracythe mother. I kind of felt like she got. The Shat like the whole function of hercharacter, was to produce children for Kadand. She served no like we got sucha gloss over their love story and like yeah. They kind this amazing love storyand everything was great which, by the way, if you all have a wash polpsprings on helushes in that and she's Betarious Cristen Hawai really reallyfun interesting twist on, like kind of the groundhall day concept, POB spirtson recommend anyway. So so I felt bad for her because I feltlike shes. She just got such the Shat with that and te kids. Yes, a friend ofmine, dirty jeps Eh, I shouldn't have done this Otso, so Ididn't like that about the story, because I felt like you know, the heronly function was to right right and I didn't feel like that was fair, o Hocarecter right, a buddy of mine, pointed out like talking about theending she's like I don't love it, but also like it's that life, though lifedoesn't turn out the way. You expect it's true and you make the best of thatcircumstance. That's true! That's true, but here's the here's, the problem withit in the in the context of the television show. Is they build it up?They build it up, they build it up and then it's just like. Okay, now she didyeah and I honestly think it might have worked if it was like if they had donesort of like what scrubs dod at the end, where jdy has like a montage of thefuture, if they just dowt like a Montouch of the future, and then itcuts to the present where she and she has passed away and kind of flushingthat out a little more kind of like doing m trying to think of the show,maybe part I think yeah partsn rected this yeah, where it was showing thepresent and then cutting back to Pasticios in like in the as it was likedeveloping yeah. I think that would have worked better, but but the thething that really got my goat was, I totally shipped Barney and Robin andthe Asson Rachel dust were like. Well, they won't they will they won't they arhey slowy, go together and Theyr, doing the wedding and then you're finally,jus like yes, they're together and then once season later, they'e like oh bythe ther way, they got dehorse and she ended Wuph teny like yeah. No, I, yes, that's. What morethan more than the mother dying, which was was obnoxious, but again she wasn'tthere long enough. o Me ad actually get a path to hit yeah but o Robin, who wasa character, really love and Barney, who robn an barn together were greatright and they built them. They spent so long building that relationship andbuilding that mutual trust and then, actually, you know getting married. Ijust yeah. I just feel like it's. The classic like Holy, like Hollywood, hastrouble creating like meaningful relationship between guys and girlsthat doesn't turn sexual wher. It's like wow, it's like Ian, it's like ind,so you keep Ted and Robin. As he's like. I liked them his friends. I thoughtthey were awesome. Friends like where, like she was with Barney she's, muchmore like Barney she's watch more like, but when you started to see that happenin the show. All of a sudden eberdy was like, like this kind of Ma when she waslike yeah I'll smoke, cigars with you yeah I was like Oh like this is goingno be, and then it does it develops, and it's really well done and Hin tedkind of eventually matures and is like hey. I can still love you wel as afriend and you're like this is great too and they're like, but no because heloves her and it was like. Oh Anan, women can't be friends, but I think Ithink one of the one one of theone of the things that I thought was theshowis called how I ment iyour mother. I thought it would have beenappropriate to introduce the mother on a last episode and just be like listen.We don't necessarily need to develop a character right. Nobody that's beenwatching is going to be able to because you're right, I think, forget theactors name, but she did kind of get shafted, because I you have a group ofpeople, thatv watch watching sever name like I think I believe it's eightseasons of tow Maho Yeah. It was nine I thin nineteen okay, so you go througheight seasons, developing the main characters and we're expected to nowfeel the same way about a new character that they're trying to push for oneseason and then and then she and then she dies it just seemed confusing waslike. Why would you in that case? Why not just let the people that have beenwatching these eight seasons enjoy the same characters for the ninth seasonand an introducer at the end is saying- and this is how I met your mother-maybe you have one episode, that's kind of like a romantic first data or firstmeeting, and that's honestly it's not about this- is how I continued to fallin love with your mother, and this shows jus how I met your mother right,that's kind of what I thought the show is building up to do like all of asudden, it's going to be one episode where he maybe even just Ceesar, and hedoesn't talk to her yet a d hesiys and that's when I met her and that's goingto be the end of the show and it's like that's protty fun. We don't need tointroduce her. We've been developing all these other characters for so longand that's why in my head, maybe it just caught me so off guard I was likethere is no possible way. It can be any of these characters and that's kind ofthe beauty. The show is that you get to see all the different terms and twistshe made, but all thinghes going to end up with his other person and they werelike and then that's how I met her unless have a full season with her andthen she died and I'm going ta get with...

Ro. It was it just seemed like I don'tknow like Bary your wive. It just loy would to wait a minute t, as it was ahonded one, because it seemed like it changed everything about the wholeseries- and I was like. Oh that's such a bummer because you can nstill haveshows of bad endings and enjoy kind of like the beginnings of the show. Butwhen I go back and I watch it, I still kind of think mow. I'm like the wholeport of the show, isn't about how I met your mother like it's just about Robinthe whole time like it s it not really sheshe's introduced for one season diesat the end. Honestly, who cares like it is bad for her, because she's kind of interesting kind of corky character.You start to like her, but it's like she's ineduced for season and she'sgone and Atian just Tso sily anyways, let's, let's somebody throw out anotherone before Weu just spend the rest of the show talking my Hor Atmo, I thertAshle. Do you want to pull out the Big One? Well, WE'LL SAV that one for w? Thatwas the last one, because that I don't have a lot to say on it, because I havemy lane right and I don't recommend that you do, but if we want to ship back to shows Iloved until the last episode. For me that's going to be enterprise,starching M and IINTEVE fere. I still really love enterprise, but when I waswatching it originally, I posted something AAs like I'm almost ne Wotdefrect enterprise. I don't get the hate and everybody's like don't watchthe last P and I' like why it can't possibly be that Banit was. It was so spoiler alert for star Trek Enterprise,the last so so the next. The last episode is a perfect series. Fenali youKno in our shows that inded to soon episode, I talked a little bit aboutenterprise and know part of the reason it got. Calhe Berley was because of t e issues at dit, but thenext o. The last episode is a perfect serious finality, even though, like itwas shorter than the other star treck series. It still like win de Great in the lastepisode they chose to have- and I kind of it to go back and look over it againlast night and I didn' Git to but the basically, some sort of calamityhappens on the interprise trip who's. The best character on that show alsomost positive, chral, O southern person ever on TV. In my opinion, trip goes in he's the only one that canfix it and, and he saves the day and he gets pill and everybody's O Buck Yeah. You can throw my meanifeel Tislike a serenity moment, yeah, yeah, basically, and so like I'm justdevastated thinkrih IR watching this. This ifinale and I'm just like ruinedI'm just weeping and weeping and wee been us like there was it was. The showwas done that was ABS nonom. My really absolutely no point for them to do thisare they went Mak and Yo Madax? I Ju put that on the sounboard Yo anyway, yes, so enterprise, great, justdon't Wuch. The last episodetrust me on this and it's presented as like a aJohntan break. Soo Commander Righter is walking everyone through like a museumof starfleet history and en like- and here we have Charles Tucker, the ThirdAka trip and Blah Blah Blah and hey tell his story of how he's dead and I'mlike yeah. That's what I have to say aboutthat. Don't watch the lest episode and and in retrosfect people have said theshowrunners Hav said Yeah. We really shouldn't have done that with the lastepisode ye no shots, Ityeai could have told you that yeah do anyway. I've got two movies ontto talk about that, I'm that I can think about the top of my head. I'mtrying to think of other TV shows, but really that'll start o lito most of thetime. If I'm getting most of the shows that have like really wretched endings,I stopped watching beforehand right, which is why bastarliust was sofrustrating me because it was just so like right. The end of what was areally really good series, but going back to changing he ending WatchmenAllig, I'm sorry just to be clar watch men, the vein, the movie I have not wathe show ive heard the shows t at show is amazing, yeah, so excellent,absolutel, excellent, yes, actually, graphic Mabel, yeah, really good one ofthe Olens Zacksminer Mowes actually enjoy yeah sa Ison movies, good rightup until the end yep and then so spoilerer. So here's what happens soOzamandiis, someone's killing off old supers, basically I's kind of veryincredible zes, but my much much much mout darker for Someng Hat's, callingat Gret tings that I never would have...

...compared Butr, not old supers andRorshacq whos, best character, he's basically Batman. A fatman had no wasamoral or was was like. I will do anything necessary, including to peopleand did have a many gadgets, I'm not in here with me. I'm s talking it NOA. I'mnot toing ith you s with me. Rhe's also played by like one of theleast intimidating, looking guys yeah right like there's a ntimidating voice,you've, never theyerloi laughd atwow. Well, he actually looks no Chaacterdefnitely and Moie O book. It was it's so good because he's like what what Imeant by that coment was that he kot O he looks yeah. He looks kind of shortand he's this little ginder Guy Yeah when he draps her like Yeah Terrifi,peohouse sere, because I in prison they pull off his mask and you like reallyback and then he kills everybody like Oyeah 's. He is but anyways so end in the movie. Theyfind out that Ozamandius, who is basically like this really smartgartist man in the world. prises man in the world has been orchestrating thisand he's been planning, tjus pasically a simultaneous attack on every majornation of the world to make it look like this. Okay Ram yeah to the frame.Well, okay, so in the in the comic book, He's planning a an attack, that's woing,to make it look like aliens are invading the earth, and so it's goingto force all the nations of the world to unite in peace. All the othersuperheroes found out about that and they're like you know what this thisthis might work, and but but warcrack is Lige, Getthig,Altaho and so he's like I'm going to tell everyone.How can you O and Docor Manhattan's like? No? If you we have to do this,because it's the only way we're actually going to get we're gonna get peace, please like iand,then ro shack is like I'm going to do it anyways and so, and so drmanhattonssplattersymtoms, like yeah, so I'm civilized in the movie. The exact samething happens: Bor check is like I'm, not okay. With this, you know we haveto. We have to live our lives based on truth and whatever the truth is that'swhyt, I'm going to tell people like you, kill people you're going ta go. I'myou'RE gonna have to kill me to stop this ind backmanes like okay andSplatterson, but in the movie he just like nukes, a bunch of Oso manhes, justmnukes a bunch of cities and then blames Doctor Manhattan Right, EveronsFli, the Baln everyone's like Oh, it's Dockur, Manhattan, Ans, O doc, Mahataand meets himself away to Mars and its like this is fine and the reason it'sstupid is because Adand, you know the heard the argument like. Oh theychanged it because it was harder to film okay. Yes, the thing is the thing:is they set up the fact that Ozamadis have been doing genetic experimentswith this little two tailed piger thing that he has? That is still in the movie.Why would you have that in the movie? If you remove the thing that that thingwas pointing to so they still have the genetically modified tager in the mood,that's pointed the fact that Ozmandis doing these experiments and that's whohe made these alien monster things that teleportes into a bunch of cities atmakes it look like Haliens are attacking. Why could you not still dothat because tha the the comical ending what if it had this a similar, feelmade al of more sense, because Documenhadtan is still sticking aroundand is like I'm going to help reworld peace right or is this one he's likestay humanity, bity and just heet himself tomorrows, and it was so dumbin the same wigs in the Harry Potte like you changed it for no good reason,and maybe they were sending well and- and I think some of thus probably dueto the fact that movie was like three hours long sure and it would have beeneven longer, but I still think it was a do idea also like in the comic theytried, the that the all the aliens attacking they tryto Penith on Doca Manhattan. So I mean I understand why they maybe did that,but I still think is Itceablei yeah. No, I think you're. I could not agree withyou more and I didn't even think about like the whole setup with the twtailtigger right, because I've only seen the movie once and yeah, it's been awhole yeah. So so it was one where I was like wow. They did a really goodjob, Wat dabbing it out an the enning and alwas. Like I liy stood up. I waslike what the hell was that I mean my friend were like. Are you Cai,like I had literally read the book, the graphic novel the night before seeingthis movie, so it was like a very fresto mym. No, it was like. It wasvery fresh in my mind because we went on a Sunday. So I like e whole big Rep,Satur, a just, read the graphic novel and I was like sweet. Let's go watch itat's who we went watching like wow. This is Alot Act, the same the sex ontlotte ship Lis, a little weird, but you know what we're going to move pastit everything's great ror shack is awesome. Docu Manhattan, Bluedongandthat Wasstanding at looks really great. We talked about the Blue Dong, an likeit doesn't seem to be swaing with gravity. It's like going oppositegravity like it's. Not It is a magic Dong, so, as let's say, docrument HaBuck. My Ha Coul do whatever you want. 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One point he like brings his kids in and he's like, likeHes Heanlyel Jacksmons, the one that's killing he' like he's te crazy guy, buthe's not really crazy. I mean that's the whole moral Dalemma is like okay.Is he doing a good thing because he's trying to save millions and millionsand millions of people, because this guy, as confirmed that he's, got threeatomic bombs for as he had an evil day, because he just filled an indiscentwoman? I don't know so that's the whole idea and you're like Hay. This ismildly interesting. Just for that fact, and then, at the end like he gives nthe information because he's almost gids to die and then the Bon stilloand.So it's like, like the movie again, it's not good enough to be like. Let'stalk about the ending, but right antings like that, like there's beenseveral though I will say, have you guys gotten into theCloverfield trifecthan movie, I so Idon't an the first one, and I wasdisappointed by how much I did not like it good now, camera one right, yeah,it's so and then, but Tan coverfiel lane is excellent. You like tankoverfield line yeah, let's talk about like like. Why did? Why did that endingneed to be? Why did it make any sense? I mean that's the little where the JohnGomans Couldnavipeo. Yes, yes, Jumdiman and did that just seem totally complete.It came out of left field and it was it just bizarre, like the whole Otingsoggested to update hole movie. John Goban has not really questionallykidnapped this girl. The whole idea is that he's like hey, you were passed outlike you would run off the road and crashed. I brought you down here intothis like bunker because there's a gas outside. That's I you say it's killingpeople, ris, making people crazy an they're killing themselves or somethingone of the two, and so it's him. Basically, there's dangerous, rigtexactly and then there's one other Youngguy, and so it's about like theColaustrophobia of like the three of them in there and it's getting kind oflike weird and it's getting tense and it's like it's like. Is He telling thetruth? There is a a creepy serial killer guy. This is kind of scary, butthe same time could be like a hart like you know, you don't really know, andthen you kind of find out he's a little crazy because it kills the other guyand anyways. She breaks out of there she's fine. There isn't any gas andthen aliens show up and at one point there's like a missile launcher thatgits Strot of the aliens. This isn't like the last ten minutes of an entiremovie that is taken, place, underground and Lik. You don't know, t there'sanything supernatural at all and you get out in like the last few minutesmovie, it's like aliens show up alien, spayeship, they're, shooting, there's amissil launcher shot Tobians because taking PLA takes pice in the sameuniverse as clover. Sayit now is this like A. I can't remember where itoccurs in the timeline: thiss is prior to the original clover. I think I thinkthe idea is that ten clover for thelaen happens is I like. The end of the movieis when clovervill starts yeah. Well, okay, it's not that quite that civil,because then then, then the then n there's the paradoxs or whatever Ohyeah, Oeah, that that like starts it all off or something IC is com, so, okay, so th I've onlyseen each of those Po. In my opinion, those movies try a little too hard, butthe I don't know if you guys know much of like the backstory behind like likehow they develop develop their story. 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...can find out and so through all ofthose methods. If you then watch tin, Cloverfield Lane, it makes some sensebecause you're, like oh look at that calendar. Oh look at that car. Ohthat's the guy from the shop that I saw on that one website. If you pulled uplike employees that have been missing, you know, but it's too mu like too muchdidn't do that then the movie is it's nonsensical. As far as it connect initself, you're right and in my opinion, the movie was very compelling andinteresting allthe way until the end, when you're like all right, like youcan't just at the ENB like also we're in this universe and there's an alienlike it was so it just Lik. The tone went from like all right. This isreally tense and very serious to like. There are now aliens and peopleshooting missile launchers. Two minutes ago I was in a basement with JohnGoodman and we were like Carter, seene type stuff. How did the and then themovies over it wasn't even like halfway through the movie, the Interducei. Itwas like very in movies over and I was like Gosh. That was so bizarre and Idon't think you can justify it by geving me all these backstory thingsthat connected Mak itg make sense. Maybe if I had put it in time and doneall that stuff individually, I could be like. Ah, even though nobody else knewwhat was going on, it felt cool to know exactly what was going on, and that didyou know totally make sense, but n't know I wasn't Aty fern I've seen itonce I enjoyed it in the moment and the main thing I remember Comong Way fromthat movie was like wow. John Geman was awesome, I', never use hes, so neverreally see him do like all other than like friend Flinstone, and the dead on Rosa likeit wasmenacing. N Yeah. I was like man whatif you wantto Staim. If you want to seehim be menacing in the Goofies Bay possible community e place th, youhaven't gotten the GEA. I think, if thin comes in in season three but he'sthe head of the age back wing of H, community and so he's like fighting, hefights with the Dean because he wants to troy cause toys like a genius atfixing fixing air conditioner hes like Tha, the goodbil highs, O, basicallygood will haveticgs Spood, plumbing and anesting repair, and soJohn Kodan comes in is like standing over and he's got like a little top.Bat, it he's menacing the bean, it's Halarious, Nice Yeah. No, I reallyliked Hav and I really liked Mary lipit wins. I was Goinna say I remember allthe actings had to be like all the actor as very compelling yeah. Oh yeahthat' still be a good one like a enjoyable movie. Watchin. To be honest,I just didn't like the ending, but I think I'm with you all those points aryeah yeah, so I enjoyed it in the moment,but I didn't and I didn't hate the intinit's interestinte interesting. Youknow jumping back a little bit to the mist I remember like just being like soappalled by the because it was so tragic that was written and directed byfrank, deribant, hes same guy who did shopping breally, yes, rot and directedShashink yeah like w y Ould. What would he dolike? I even use hat an example of being like I mean in Nigat its yea, itsGinsin, the name of Shaw, Shank Redemption Me, the Redemption StoryorBof that whole movie is just so satisfying to watch. It's like you knowit's just it's great movie and then it's just funny that that's I o likethat. Oh let's also had this guy struggle, Andfidt the whole movie andthen murder innocent Welwelland. To be fair,like this guy has done. Let's see one to that. That makes three Steven Kakeaditations and he's right Er on the walking dead because Shashank a StevenKing, so is the Green Mile and the ASO so h, so I mean Shashink is a greatenimal. Yeah Yeah! Well, you know it's Stephen King. 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Literature in the turnent Scrim was oneof the novels that she used for her thesis, and so she was like yeah it's going to bebased on he turn screws should be really interesting. I really likeFiwolf Harnd he's a great actor. This is going to be cool, so I went to go,see it and he she was going to go see. It too was wewere going to talk aboutit. She said as an adaptation. It was pretty fair until you get to the endingand, to be honest, I couldn't tell you what happened to mewas supposed to do.I just like it was. I went and caught caught a matinee. I was like one oflike three people in the theater, the other one of the other, ladies, thatwas in the theater Shene I set through the credits and she's like what thehell was that its me like I was like. I was likethere with you up until the end. It got really mannic and frantic, and thingsare crazy and then abruptly just kind of stopped and we're just like we don'tknow what happened. This is stupid, so the turning don't recommend it, whichis unfortunate because the acting in the film was actually pretty good. Justyou know the editing choices in the end it being stupid. The next one is amovie, that's actually out in theaters right now, so I'm seven Yall, ten bucks,you're welcome, don't go see the empty man, the antimanse, the fullman yeah, muchbetter. I into Calla WOMANAA sounds like ANKSKII. That sounds like that sounds like oneof the stores that sells like pus size, stuff hihowoman, like a large gentleman. That's Lice Whar, it's like yeah, I'msix foot, seven and I have wide shoulders, and so I literally can onlyshop at specialty stores, r Te Lwoman, so the empty man I like horror, movies,I'll I'll watch just about anything, and so I IAM an AMC, a list member, soI'm like well, I've got three movies. I can go see, there's not a lot in thetheater right now, but this one, the premise sounds kind of interesting jis.What give me the premise? So the premise it this is kind of like anurban legend type type fell. So like Slenderman. Yes, it. Actually, it felta lot like Sin Slenderman, which I mean Slenderman wasn't great, but I think itwas better than they amjust to be perfectly honest, and so, when I'mlooking at this, like the only names I recognize on this Castlisstar StephenRoot who's in a bunch of lites, gehnre work and Jol Courtney. He was theleague kid in superaide, which was awesome. Fun Fact Be Borrel used tobabysit him when he was little the more you know anyway. That's ourpastor's wife, Rowor Evan, both yeah for for context, but anyway, so thepremise of the empty man. I it here's, the here's the summer on imbb on thetrail of a missing girl, an x cop, comes across a secrertive groupattempting to summon a terrifying supernatural entity hm. So this isbasically kind of an urban legend type story. Where t e these high school kids,they want to summon the empty man kind of in a similar way that s you wouldsummon this lins, the slender man the, but the people who are trying to summonthe empty man are part of a cult I called the ending like the movie stillhad like. Maybe forty five minutes left is like okay. I think I know how thisis going to end and by the time you get there. Basically, this x cop, you findout that he actually was brought into being by e these cult members, and heis the new vessel he's the empty man so, and some of the imagery in the film waswas interesting, but I'm just like man, you could have cut like the the first,like thirty forty five minutes of the movie was supposed to kind of set upthe idea of the empty man, but it like the characters that initially set upthe the story have nothing to do with anyone else in the movie. There's noconnection, there's nothing, and so I'm like, if you maybe cut that part, whichI mean I thought actually was interesting but like it ultimatelydidn't, really have any bearing on the rest of the SOM. If you cut that part,this could have been a shorter movie and it would have been much much better,but it's still it just. It was just so mediocre and predictable. I was likenit, at least with the slender man. You had like a visual Hue for colcheck, theNight Stalker, which made me very very happy. As a John, a TV fan or Retrajon,the TV then but other than that, like is just like, if you want to watch likesome moopy tropy urban legend Type, horror movie, Go watch the Slingermanand Youl at least laugh at it. The empty man was just kind of sad and long and boring, so I've gottwo more movies, one I'm going to demention briefly, because I actuallydon't dislike it. I just think it's kind of Hilarious, but I know peoplewho are like that was a stupid, inthing monty pit Om the holy growl. Yes, I wasreally confused the first time I watched. Although now I wa, because thefirst time you like okay, what the Hea they just got, arested and and that'sthe end it be like whyt, because they ran out of money and they're like crap.They had planned to have a whole endi...

...where they were actually Ike ansultingthe castle they had planted out and they ran out money in they're likewhat.Do we do Wat's just haven't get arested so knowing that I kind of love it andthey're, just like? Oh, what and then like do it the hands likewe're done it's movies over. We can't we just Frad on a Lon. We can't doanything loke and the rest of the movie like it is so abrupt. The first timeyou see your like that. I Mit I then didn't miss something, but I actually find it funny, but I knowpeople who are like N, but my least favorite James Bond movie, not my leastfavorite James Bond, although he's the worst jam he's argue be. The worst hasplunce the only one who ever did one George Wasn Mvy on Her Majesty secretservice. That's the one with Diana Rick, yes, and it's terrible, because in themovie and no first of all like the actual plot, is dumb and the there'sthis weird ki jump. This is weird ski chase, and this really bothered me whenI was when I was younger watching this. They go on this ski chase right andthey're doting through the ski scloves. Ndthe guys are chasing him and there'slike a snow, pile ploughing one of the sides n one of the bad guys likebasically gets woodchopper style thrown into it, and it like paints the thesnow red with blood ECAUE. It's orange, it's like clearly orange paint andyou'r like you, and you know what color blood is like. It's not even us, not asclose like I was so confused Ma just Comocollospated from theeverf film Ion know, but it ends with James Bond gettingmarried and they're driving along and he pulls over. He gets a Flas, so epuls over the side of the road to change is flat and as he's like on thismountain road and he's on the mountain side like behind the car, changing thetire and a car drives by and shoots up his car and he shoots back at them a d.They drive off and he's like. Well, that was close and he looks and hiswife Gutshot in the head and that's the end of the movie and I'm like Yep. Thatwas so dumb. You spent the whole time of him like not being a womanizer andsetting this. U, and I understand, I had an argumunt with somethingtasalmast like it was the best one because they changed the status quo andI was like hut. They wasted my time like you can't you can't go and develop.You can't spend a movie trying to develop in bons character by havingthim actually like develop a relationship with Te. Regular, probablythe best part of the movie right was their relationship developing and himbeing like. Oh Ike can stoppbeing a ladiesman and is actually you know. Youknow, len spend my yeah settle that a little bit and then they're like no. Weneed days bom back Poo. I, like don't waste my time movie, the pod N. 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I can't really fault them because I think they're fine, they're,fine movies, but like stapking thout, so I'm really hoping with the new JamesBon with the female, the Black Female Jame Fon that she is going to bringback the Cambe ridiculous. I want to see that I want her to be hitting onall the dudes to e have like guys swooning at her feet a she has some. Iwant her to just be like supersuav. I want her to wake up an bed with a deadpain gold painted Chris tens wirth next to her and be like damn and just moveon with your Di. That's what I want out of my chaine fot. I Wat that to happena movie. That's really absurd and not super great, but actually, I think doesthat kind of thing really well is Lucy with scarlet, je Hanson. So with thatone, what I thought was hilarious about it, because the premise is dumb, butlike his JIs evison of e Bra yeahhabut. 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Stop watchingthat show after the trinity color season, whic wis the best so I'mstruggling to come up with other televoon shows that I thought had had nw wretched endings and I nother some movie, I'm trying to think of a I. Ican actually think of some other media that had endings that I thought Fer,Wer Gargersh so bleach, which was Ongen an anime was amazing and just reallyreally good and got to this ending art and its this guy who's been the villain,the entire time and know who's the villain. Even though nobody else knowsthe viln because he has his special ability is, he can basically ManipulatPeople's memories, so he's he's basically decided Sol, societyes,corrupt, so he's trying to kill the King of Sol Society, which is tha theafterlife so he's trying to kill the King of Soe Society. She has this wholebig scheme where he's manipulating people memories, so you don't knowwho's on Tho side who's, not on the side, and it's really really good. Andthen you have the final showdown between him and the main character.Each you go and it's crazy good and it's really intense and it's awesomeand it ends and each other loses his powers and goes back to Earth andyou're like Oh, it's a little bit of a bummer who lost his powers, but manthat was a really awesome ending and then the guy who wrote it to Tok KubetTta Kubo was like looked in his walltwas. Like oh shoot, I need moremoney and so he's like and here's some people who have never been heard before,like from a different faction and pom. She goes got his power back. Oh and nowhe's back at sols society, because these crazy guys gol the QUINC Y arlike invading heaven and and this guy, who literally I think name Selfyawe oryou walk. But, let's be honest, the naments of Yoway is like taking overand kills the soul, King and and does what Isen was trying to do, for youknow, seven seasons and actually does it and and then but here's the worstpart each ago he breaks each of go. 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I've heard it's really good, but I am intimidated bythe sheer number of episodes and- and you saying all of that now, just likeit's still worth watchers, it still Wuch bu the there's a really okay. So the Anima hasa really bad filler art called the Bout Art, okay and so maybe look up. You canactually look up. It'll show you, the arts skip the bout dark it', it doesn'tmean anything and it's really obnoxious, because the guy the head bound guy, ishe people they're, asking him questions ar like. Why are you doing this? Why ayou Dong this and it obviously thisplese in English? He Says No ComanDon a also no comento like what is this...

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No, no, he goes they go to Bobby onthis castle and this is like amajor art and then the anime like they beat the bag Ey nnx in the Manga.That's where, like major things, happen and Crotas a character who was likekind of a bad guy, that kind of not of a Badguy a d. She has like major thingshappend to her in that art. Major things happen to the main characters inthat art and it goes on from there and it culminates in kind of a spoiler, butnot really because they kind of allude to it at the very very beginning. Theybasically go fight the final bag guy on the moon. It's awesome like the very,very, very end of the Manga, but the anime just ends rightwen the Magas liketurns to burnrs up to eleven and is like full fratdale to the end. So it'sreally weird to me that they must have gotten canceled because they just madethe student kind of just like okay and it's over where the Manga just keepsgoing. So I definitely recommend I do ocomend watching them, because it'sreally good, but I definitely recommend reading the Manga because it goes abouttwice as long and it's o way Wak. I kind of think about go, think aboutgames that have terribles and ONM Games, and I'm actually thinking about this isgoing to sound weird. This there's a board game that Tim Mesgaren I played,and it was has really. It was called that kingdom kingdom death forsomething like that. It was basically like is really hard game like acooperative game, and it's all you know, like you, wake up in this cave andyou'r like Bilin, trying to build a society in this cave and bad things arehappening all the time and so you' like fighting phese balls es trying together,not stuff, fight, harder, boses and collect stuff it it's a really hardgame where you're almost guaranteed to die and go insane and things like that.We're like working through it and finally getting to the point where wecan actually looke or Livee beat some of the harder bosses in the game, andthere is kind of a story, progression and ATCOMBINATION MOU fighting. Thisthing I think, was like the golden fume night or something like that, and thisthing is just like super nasty, and we know it's the last pos and so just outof curiosity, because it was like Wei fought. The second last bossibme likejust had a curiosity, because usually when you, when you fight a boss, if youlose a bad thing will happen and if you win a good thing will happen and tocontinue the story. That's youre like I wonder what happened if you loose theGolden Fum Nin, and so he looked at the flavor test and thits like yeah.Everybody in the village ties Whil Oens the game like, Oh, what happen do youwin and it's like you finally defeat the fume night and then it like cuse,pusting, gas everywhere and ifnone dies in the Gamesofe like what so you loseif you lose and you lose. If you win, why would I bother fighting this guy?That's going to take hours for us to be and we get nothing out of it, butending the game, and I looked it up online. I was like why it like, andapparently everyone was like yeah the expansion they had. An expansion,packed tat had like a different final boss and apparently was written by hiswife and they're like yeah. He should h just let his wife write the things muchbetter wrihter than he is. It actually had like a good ending where it waslike if you beat the final lost too many like trancends becomes like DragonPeople Andand they're like yeah, the fenitebus is just bad like there's no reason to play it because you get nothing soso we were like okay, well we're don playing this game bummer all right, so you are to actually hitus with e head. This is te big one guys. Did you notice how much taller Ijust got. You Know Wha, because I just got I my soapbox, gready people say you really need a Rimshot on there, yeahthat's right! That's what I expethat's what I have to say to David and Dan all right. You have to say to Davidinanouyepbecause I am and it's dude so game of thrones. So many things so oll disclosure, I'm abook Fan I've read all the books several times. Brian of torth is myfavorite character and all of fiction. So I'm very emotionally invested, notjust in her, but in the characters of the story. I think they're fascinatingcharacters. I think the casting in the show is Damn Yor perfect. Everythingwas great until the last season, and that seems to be the general consensuslike Seon. Seven was ramping up to something great and then season at wasjust like yeah...

...well and and there's there's a fewagain things that happened that had nothing to do with anything on cameraor one David and Dan got offered a star war trylogy and just to be clair. Davidand Dan are dbwise and blinking. On the guys nameDA wives, DC wif e have an old e sister name,Diane Andabodavid, Benodar, viniof and DS. They got Offi a star wars, trilogyHBO Offered Them To do several more seasons of game of thrones to flesh outthis story end it well and they said No. We want to you know they were tired ofworking on the show. They're like we want to go, do something different andso, which is some ways, is totally undesting. I understand, but if youknow, Damif Rones came out at the right time like that was when streaming wasstarting to get really big. It was before HBO had their own individualstreaming service, but you know it K, N amped up into e the AROB. It was goodquality television even after they ran out of book Source Material ProductionVell I mean the Bo. It really ultimately change how TV was done,because the production values were so high. It really changed the game andamped up that, for, like other TV shows as well. You get to this last season,and I mean David and Dan a clearly thrown in the towel, and everythingthat I've read about them like on said, is all about how they were veryunprofessional and how they made a lot of the women onset feel veryuncomfortable, and you have things like Jason, Mamoa, standing up for GOPA deners blnown, her name Emily. Whyam I blaking her mame anyway, Emily White, Emily Boon, Emily Smith, Mali, Denaris, GSEMILY, Colisi? It'sit's not probably it's blunt! Isn't it? No! It's not it's not anon one. All I know is Youre Halfibil likeshe had to do all these nude sceneslike in the first first couple of seasons and Jason Mamoa like come outwith the sock of the stone Tohya like wait to take the do the tap apping sohard well well, and even he actually did a good job of making her feel yeah,yeah very safe right, credible, whereas David and Dan are all like beingskeving, which I'm like that's, not okay and and it wuld similar thingsother women who are like extras or had kn bit harts on the show said you knowwhen they were put in compromising situations. So just there's so manythings at just makes me angry. Yeah, you just Hav and and so seasonat my buddies arehaving a watch party. We show up at their house every week, there's a bunchof us and we're having a good time where, like winterfell, okay, so firstepisode. So it's like all right. It's set up, but a man. We've only got sixepisodes to work with how much setup do you really need? Let's go. Let's moveon now the seven kingdoms, arguably best episode of the entire series, andnow that episode to that is episode to that's where we have the nighting AFBrian. Now that was that wy's. The best episode of I mean besides Ye honest, that's awesome! Well, it's like one ofthe only things that made narrative since with an the ivwithin the lastseason, but that one was written by Brian Codman, who is was the kind ofthe series he brote. The Series Bible for this year, ffer for the show,really big, Martin scholar, nose and stuff and is directed by Dava Nutter.Those those two guys are really really good. Lord of the Rings Fans be veryhappy. Brian Cockman is your series guy for the wor of the Ring Seris theAnazon student. So it's going to be good just because he really cares aboutspomaterial that seventeen. This is great. The long night was fun to watch,even if you know yeah I'mcool with Aria killing the night king. But you need toexplain to me how she's Azora Hih, because one of the biggest problemswith the last season was like all of these prophecies, that they had builtup across the entire series like who's, the sor hi who's, the prince that waspromised or who's the proncess that was promised they ampe them up like Oh,it's, John or oh, it's Deneris or oh, it's somebody else, but oh no! We just decided. Oh we're goingto have Aria, kill the night king and that's I mean that's fine, but you needto explain to me how she's Azora hi, because she's Panasy punisher yeah kindof now they you know again prophecy completely disregarded. You know soeverything that built up to that all the things with the white walkers likeleaving cryptic symbols in the snow with you know all these dismemberedpeople and things like that. If you think about it, you got more character,development for Ramsey snow. Then you did the night king and the night kingssupposed to be the big bad of a whole series. So that's a problem and also hewent down with one stab yeah. Well and and yeah they've established thatVelyrian steel can can kill these guys, and so he gets stabbed with the paspotdagger whico right right right, but still it's. I was okay with it, butyou're going to need to explain to me...

...how Ariaszora high and that bothers me.Then you have episode for the last of Thi Starts, which I'm sorry like yea,Jami and Brian get together. No He's not going to leave her, like literally,they wrote if you look Ette scrift for the end of season, seven, where Jamiegrides away, it literally says Jamie rides away. Never to return. Ifliterally says that I'm not joking, you can go look at the script, it's what itsays he's not going to go back to Serton. No, it didn't make anynarrative sense at all and like if you even like look at book source materiallike Jamie and Sosa Ha they on trange for Likeo, two and a half books. That'sbeen one of the really interesting to me in the books. That was one of thereally interesting ger is Zemwit thowas like Oh, I actually kind of like yeah.I mad jam Jamie Yeah, it's yeah. I know I know I like I maht now like I stillhate surcing en though they like look fore. They're like showing they'll. DoO surcey chapters Aa your Li bit that, but I still like hat er no much. No,but but Jamie like they did a really good job showing Jamie like okay yeah.He has kind of come to terms with how terrible Sursey is and it's trying tomove away from it, and so I, what I think is very compelling about JamieJamie is such an interesting character because he is a victim of emotional andsexual abuse, but like that Textpook nursissist. If you want toknow what a Nurcisis is like Sursay, sarsay, lanisters, techbook Nortiisem,their relationship is so interesting because the more he's away from her andthen there's like this whole there's so many things a cun talk about Wi Jamie.He is such a fascinating character in George Ho. Does a really good job ofbuilding in all of these little things that are subtle, background details,things like when they were born, stursay came out first, but Janie waslike grasping so of Didgrans. Yes, is Jacob Esaw thing, and so, when Janiehe's grasping h her heel with his right hand and sitding Jamy muses his righthand that severs his time an sursay and that begins to Secharacter Yeah Chang.So you don't do Jamie. That way. Jamie is going to be the best predenttion oneof the Best Regemin arks and all literature whenever gowords, fine, liththensh just the book. Let us pray foer protective circle around this man. Apparently, the only good thing aboutlike quarantine is that it's actually made him sit still and write the damnbook. So race is like two thousand and five six that EFORAS supposed to comeout in two thousand and an pre. Well, I say: DANCEL dragons came out in tothousand and eleven, so I yea, but that was behind cad yeah. I know I know andI'm like e're coming on the night I yocone up on the ten year Mark George.Let's go and he's like Yo do eight books, you are not doing a wok wheyou're, not you're, going to that yeah. I straight up GIN, it Os, so so so yeah.If I ever like, I probably watched the run of game of thrones, I mean probablythirty times I like a lot of ours. It is a lot of our I work from home and solike. I would just put it on in the background and watch it again and againand again, just because I found the character so compelling, and there wasso much I loved about it. I haven't watched it again since, since the lastseason aired like I watched, I've watched the last season twice and Itold my friends because this is how I made a lot of online friends with Togthe game with Rons Spantom, and so I'm talking aboth my online buddies, anlike you know what, if there was we get to episode five and Jamie's dead andI'm so hissed like I'm so angry. I can't even cry as because I know thismakes no narrative sense whatsoever, and so I told his like if there was ifthere was more than one episode left, I would just say fuck and not watch therest of it, but there's only one episode left. I might as well see howit ends and the ending was so stupid and lackluster and poring af like the again. The only thing, one of the onlythings that make narrative sinse about the ending this sancs a becoming fromthe TMEMOT, it's like, if you look at it within the show yeah, maybe books,probably not going to happen. That's like the only thing like I wasn't likeunhappy with everything else like we. They makee in the butt an kings guardso knocking over the microphone again. I'm sorry, the whole point of Brian and Jamie isthat they are an Invertev Veutin. The BS SAR George has said that explicitlybecause what happens when you have a beautiful man and he falls in love witha uply woman, Oly Beson, woman, Nd and then, but at the same time they bothsee each other as beastly, because Brian can't stand Jamie and she's notswayed by his super handsome fhace, because she thinks he's not allof itand then, as they grow together. There's a certain point where theircharacter, arts run so like they're, inverted and parallel and they're atthe point in the books where they have met and if you do like make thosecharacters walk apart, both of their storyarks collapse and even thoughYavrian lives and makes it to the end. sheshes still like, like her characterarc is not what it's supposed to be. I think they are like. She is she's likethe one like Pov character from the books like she has her own chapterswhere you kno. If you've not read the...

...books, George rigts each chapter fromthe point of view of one character, so the tack en names are John Or Jamie orBrien or whatever she's the only POB character in the books that got entonlyignoreing. The show again, I think, trthere's a lot of reasons for that,but I think one of the main ones is: nobody knows what to do with a womanwho has power in her own right and buck stereotype. Also, you have like thisidea that I don't know like for me. One of the reason I love Brian is because Iidentify with her character because IV, I felt like the ugly girl that nobodypays attention to, for nobody cares about because she's not good at girls,stuff or or she's ostracized for these things. But yet she has this deeplyromantic heart and she she loves deeply, and nobody knows what to do with that,because ugly girls can't have a happy inting. Why would you do that so anyway?Just so many things that were just wrong and- and you know I harp on liketheWhole, bigain and Jeny O- because that's the most important to me, butthere's so many other things like the propeses, don't matter the whole pointof the starts being reunited for them to you know, suddenly not be togetheranymore, that doesn't matter. There's no point for the watch to even existbecause they're, the free folk are, you know, they've made peace with the freefolk, but no they're going to go back beyond the wall, because that's a goodidea right e mean there's nothing there anymore. They Shulo the Gilbe NightKane, yes, there's nothing there like and, and so like. The whole point oflike the nights watch even existing at the end of the TV shows, have to aconvenient place to put John so he's not dead. I was like well, this isstupid. So anyway, I have never sworn so much in public,as I did when we were watching the finale of game and throne season. Eight,where I literally helled in my friends living room, fucks this noise and felt like throwing things at their TV, but yes, and all of us like hadcompletely different ideas of how the show would end, and none of us got whatwe wanted Aso Anyway Greg. I know you havewatched game of throns and but you've not read the Bulls yeah, but you are afilm guy, so yeah do you have thoughts on the ending yeah? No, I definitely doI like you said I definitely am not as emotionally invested and have not read the books, but from afilm and like character perspective. You could, I feel, like you, could seethe deterioration prior to the last season, but but definitely within thelast year. I think the biggest biggest point for me that I kept bringing upwas was Turian laister, actually, just becauseI thought he was such an interesting character. The whole time he's a dwarf,obviously, but his main thing that he brings us he's a genius. I mean likelike everlike. 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