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Episode 19 · 1 year ago

You Didn't Stick The Landing

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The last podcast we recorded in 2020 is here, right on (some arbitrary) schedule! Appropriately enough, we're talking about terrible endings! Greg is gone, girl, Ashley is really sweary, and Nathanael was probably dead the whole time!

The night king is going to do that thing where he raises his arms and all the dead come back to life. Oh boy, and Tyrian and a bunch of people are down in the crypt. So you know, it gets scary. So they're fighting a guy that can raise the dead and they go hide in the CRIPS. I thought Tyrian was the smart one. He used to be, but now we need things to happen really fast. So that's all over. Oh, okay. And so then John Screams at a dragon for some reason. That's that's cool, I guess. Maybe. And then Aria sneaks up on the night king and stabs him, and you know, that's the end of winter. Oh, it's over. Yip All done. So moving on. Well, well, wait, that's just it. Yeah, that's it. So anyway, we've been building towards this for eight seasons. It's just done. With the quick stab it is. Yeah, so what was with the Nike Kings connection to brand, or that weird symbol that kept popping up, or the fact that the white walkers? Listen, Sir, I'm going to need you to get all the way off my back about winter. Okay, it's over. We got to move on. Oh, I just feel a little empty inside. It feels like this could have been fleshed out. Well, there's no time. There's only a couple of episodes left. You can have more episodes if you want. Just don't see any other way other than rushing it. You could do it in more episode. Damn this short final season off. Okay, well, let's Mos you, wow, you, well, it's you, wow, wow, good, see dearly debated. So neat. He had the wine because I got some. Sorry, Ah, I love rescipees. Ready, savage. Welcome to dearly debated the show. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. I feel like we're going to get into a little more controversial territory with this one. So today we're talking about shows that an end, movies that ended in a way that made you rage. So not necessarily shows that we're bad and ended poorly. So like, if you like, well, that was a bad show and then it was also bad. That's not where we're talking about. We're talking about, Oh man, the show was so good and then the fist came out of the telligences punched you in the in the gut. You like, okay, I'm never watching that show again. So it hurts more when it's actually good. Yes, exactly. These are the ones that actually like. These are the painful ones where you were like wow, why would you do that? Can't believe you've done this. This happened. So I'll start with one just give you an example of what I'm talking about. Who Are we? Who Are we? You're right. Who I am? Nathaniel. I can't believe you've done this. Levinson with me. Oh Man, I don't have any creative middle name. I am Robert Gregory, friends, I gotta say so your name again. I am you are I am Greg Friends, and actually I am at no, sorry, go ahead, I'm Ashley. The things I watched for Love Thomas. So so I think it. We'll start with just one. That that's really easy to explain for me. That that I was like, I watched this whole movie and then the ending was like, okay, so you just wasted two and a half hours to my life. And that was the international with Clive Owen. I almost a clive barker and I almost a Clive Barker Owen, but noither those are rights. Clive Owen, Clive Owen, who is like the poor man's Jason Saving. I think it's rude to say, but I don't think I far off there. Or I guess the poor man Daniel Craig maybe. Yeah, just sit in this a little e sason, little more. He goes from the Min of Marcel Artsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it stay than goes with the goof your stuff. But the international basically Clive Owen is is a he's a spy or he gets caught up in a in a whole spy thing where this group of banks is doing something nefarious. Maybe he's a reporter. I'm a little fuzzy on exactly who Clive Owen was in the movie, other than the fact that he was a Badass right and it was, you know, the Badass action movie. He he ends up fighting this organization and he ends up basically beating them and finding this information that's just supposed to take them under. And the very end of the movie it cuts away from Clive Owen having done what he was supposed to be doing and it cuts away to the people who work at in the organization just carrying on as if nothing happened and the point being like well, he did all this stuff to stop this organization in the organization is so big that literally it did not matter. I was like, okay, so why did I watch that movie movie? Why did I watch clive bone getting this fight and do this when it was literally all points, which I think was the point they were trying to make. But like this, okay, I recognize that. Yeah, okay, let's go the the Financial Christ two thousand and eight. Right, the banks did a bunch of bad stuff and then they got Golden Paris. It's like, yeah, that sucks in real life. So why do you wait? Having that happened in my movie? Because right, you made me sit through two and a half hour the Pi bone trying to get justice and then it just meaning literally nothing, like and then it rolls credits here, like okay, well, I'm never watching that movie again. So and I...

...feel like a lot of the endings that are kind of like gut punches where the bad guy wins, feel like that, where you just like really, will come on, I just wasted my time. There are a couple exceptions, but I feel like in a large part the movies that just have those Gut Punch endings, some people like them. I'm just like, okay, you just wasted that life. Well, I think also, like you said, you gave an example of a real life situation and I think when movies attempts to be a little more realistic with her endings, you get one crowd that's going like like there's so much more and relate to that. It's and then you have the other crowd going, but I'm watching a movie. It's like you're watching it for the fantastical ending, like that's why, that's why we went through all like the suffering of like imagine if you watch Shawshank redemption and the movie is just painful and kind of hard and it is heavy to watch, and then at the end the guy just dies. It'd be like no, no, this that hurt. This is what we like, is we you like e crawls out of the pipe, the freedom and they're just waiting for him throw back and down. It's realistic, but nobody would want to watch the movie anymore. But I actually agree one of the movies that I it's funny. I mentioned this. We were talking about it before. It's not necessarily a movie. I don't hate this movie at all. Things like amazing moving the departed. I think it's a fantastic movie. I even think the ending gives a little something, but it's but it's one of those at the end, when I watched the ending, originally made me extremely mad, like out you could say that I was close to raging, where I was like okay, because you're watching Leonardo to captain spoilers ahead for de Departed, which has a lot of Oh yeah, this is this, this is going to be a spoiler heavy yeah, discussion, talking about talking about the endings. So just heads up. Skip past this if you don't want to hear the end of the parted. But Leonardo DiCaprio was undercover in, like you know, one of the mob families in New York and there is a cop that's undercover for the mob in the lap there in the police department, and so it's about the two of them kind of trying to be rats but not get caught, and Leonardo DiCaprio is just getting the crap beating out of them constantly. He's just he's going through mental stuff because he's having to watch all this brutality and he's going to see therapists and he's getting hooked on pills and he's any just wants out every two seconds but the cops that put them there like no, we got to keep you in for your safety. He's freaking out. He thinks he's going to die every turn. And finally, at the end, this one cop that's secretly a rat, who's just getting getting in all these promotions, gets the girl, gets the Nice House, gets all this praise. Finally Leonardo DiCaprio catches and he gets the evidence and he's got a means he's going to take him in and then he gets down like they're taking him through an elevator and the elevator door opens and then Bam, you know, Tocapuo shut in the head. He's dead. Why? And it it's like that's all. And ultimately, if you watched the end, Mark Wahbird comes out of nowhere and like a you know, like like a shower cap, and then kills you know to be a bad guy at the very end. That's the ending scene as he shoots him and then walks out, which is great. It's a phenomenal last scene. But the fact that you were just like Leonardo DiCaprio's characters, like so sympathized with and that's just it. He just he just went through all the suffering and ultimately he did bring somebody to justice, but he didn't get to see if he died. And and so it makes you so mad. You're just like every time you watch it, like I'll just miss, just miss with that one bullet and you can get your so close. You're soap and then band guys and you're like and watch. And so that's definitely one of those endings that every time I watch it I'm like, I'll please turn out differently somehow, somehow, and never happens. Be One of those two short adventures. But it's funny. It didn't make me hate the movie, but it definitely made me rage. I was like, oh come on. Hm, I feel like there are a couple shows that had similar things where the bad guys getting way with stuff, but then it always would eventually correct itself. Like I mentioned, I talk about one of twenty four where the the president's wife, David Hater, I think, the all state guy. I hope think this David Hater. I think I said that last time too. Anyways, the guy who, the all state guy who's in it, is is as she's looking up for me. Yeah, he's the president and his wife is just like the worst person. She just manipulative and conniving and in it for power and she's constantly undercutting him and backstabbing him and you're like, oh my gosh, someone please hit this woman. And then finally, after like two seasons of painful her getting away with everything and getting away with everything, they finally catch her and she gets her come up and she doesn't get killed, which is like what's good? I didn't want her to die. I just wanted her to know, suffer consequence for all the horrible things she had been doing, and she finally does and and all state president is like to her face is like your terrible person will pop and just I just I literally stood up. Me and my roommate were watching at a time literally stood up. Are like yeah, the guy that says it's we're all stage to see that guy. That that is Dennis Hayes Burke, den is Hayes Burke. There we go. He was in Brooklyn nine as well. I made a cameopos as holts, who holds old partners, and it is like, exactly the same person is hold. That is also very that's yes, so funny. Yeah,...

...he's Great. It's great, great voice. Yeah, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, that's all states, then that's all. Yeah, absolutely great voice. Yeah, but but but in those you actually get to the get the come upans, but I the international it's like all of that, and then they don't. It's just like but no, it didn't matter. And that's what I like. That's what I think. He's try to do that lots of times and it's just it's just too painful. Man Like. Yeah, like there's a movie where I wasn't going to mention it because I'm not a huge fan of the movie period. It's gone girl, and we've talked about this right a little bit. Were like the whole movie itself just wasn't all that exciting to me. But it's about this woman who frames her husband and runs away and every's like, okay, she's going to get caught, she's gonna get cock or watching the movie, waiting for this. happened. And the end she goes even more extreme and frame somebody else for like holding her hostage and then kills him and then comes back and then everybody praises her as like this really heroic woman. And then she comes back and like it's with her husband and he's and he's like terrified. The ending scene is like it's her set like telling him because she's like, Oh, we can only talk in the shower because like that way I know you don't have any recorders or anything. And then she's just like Oh, by the way, like if you ever do anythinking, I don't know. And it just and that's the the movie ends. It's like, uh, it's just terrible. Like yes, and I wouldn't necessarily a rage just because that whole movie was just kind of a drag, but I was I was definitely like why? Why? I like this is too ritty. Who? Who enjoys this? who enjoys the injustice of this movie? Yeah, I don't know. I saw a meme once that said the good for you or good for her cinematic universe and that was one of the movies in the meme. Oh No, girl. Yeah, I mean I've never seen gone girl, based on what you guys have mentioned about that and what Ryan told me, because he ryan watched it and he's like you're not gonna enjoy it. So it's rough. He's like it's a great thriller, but you, you will be very dissatisfied with the endings, like and and based on what I know of the content, is like that will probably not be something that is good for me to watch. It's, I could be good for the mental health. Yeah, it was. It was definitely disturbing in the sense that, you know what, every time you're left with one of those movies where you're like, oh, people could be lying to me and like I could be deceived, that easily make you just worried and sad and you got a sup of the weird feeling in your stomach. And that was one of the biggest because I was just like, AH, really might be just owned everybody and she killed all those innocent people like and uh, there were definitely some interesting thinking about that meme. There for definitely some interesting if it's like she's just film choices in that getting away with this is, you know, weird, weird movie. You guys are probably had not seen it. I was thinking about that ends any sided. Like have you guys ever heard of the movie meet Joe Black? I've heard of it. Yes, you guys know like the premise. I feel like, I guess you know what the purpose plays. Yeah, okay, one, it's super long and it's not that great. So I feel like I could explain to you and it's not going to break your heart. I watched it in college and I was like the only thing I remember is, like the actress in it is gorgeous and I don't think she plays in a whole lot of them movies, but she was just like Super Pretty. Like Man Brad Pitt is this dude who meets this girl, Joe Black. Yes, well, yeah, he's I think you is that his name the whole time? Maybe it's his name the whole time, but yeah, he meets this girl to coffee shop, walks away and boom, gets hit by a car. It's pretty hilarious, like you watch the first time and you just start laughing because it comes out of nowhere. You just gets hit by a car and it's like kind of silly animation and flies over and like into a wall. anyways, he's dead. He does, but she doesn't see it. She walked around the corner and then this guy, Joe Black, Brad Pitt, shows up at her father's house, who's played by, Oh, who's the guy that plays annibalector? And I'm going there. We go. So and that he hopkins or Father, is getting older. I think. I think it's his birthday. There's like a big party at the end. I think it's like his ninety very old birthday or some promotion at work. I don't know what it is, but basically Joe Black comes back and bodies Brad Pitt's body and is death and he comes to collect, you know, Anthony Hopkins, and he, I guess, beckons with them and says hey, can you wait until this party or something or whatever, and so death is actually enjoying being on earth as Brad Pitt. And I mean, yeah, you've be Brad Pitt, I know well, I this girl, you know. He's like real curious and just kind of a coy and like really funny and goofy and charming, just because he's never seen anything and everything's really exciting for him, and so it's kind of a funny little deal and him and her get along and then they end up falling in love and, you know, making love a bunch of times and then at the end she figures it out, I guess, and he's like Oh, actually, like I'm death and I'm here at Take Your Dad, and so he takes his dad and then leaves Brad Pitt and she's like thanks death, and then...

...her and Brad Pitt walk off at the end and I'm like, I'm like wait, you fell in love with another being that just happened to be in Brad Pitt's body. You've not even met like again, it's Brad Pitts like. That's my point is, like did moral the story? Whoever's in Brad Pitt's body here. She needs this guy and just gives him her number and they're like they talk like two seconds at a coffee shop and that's it. That's that's the extent that she knows this person. And then the entire movie she's getting to know death, that just inhabiting his body. But then once death leaves and leaves his body behind and like the person I got hit by the car like gives a bracy. Who gives him his life back, because, like he's like, okay, I'll take your father, but I'll leave you this guy. And she's like Oh, thank you, and it's like, but that's not him. You didn't fall in love with that guy, you don't even know him. He like POPs back. He's like, I don't know how I'm here and she's like well, we've got time and like smiles and hug I'm like this is we like it just didn't seem right. I'm like he does nobody realize that that wasn't actually Brad Pitty? Am I taking crazy pills? The Brad Pitt? It was just so bizarre because I think if you weren't like really focusing hard, you're probably just sitting there nodding her head. At the end of the movie too, like all right, they're together and you're like wait, what, they don't even know each other and they'll, she's like, already to fall in love with them again, and I'm like, you don't even know this guy just happens to be inhabiting the body of the last guy you love. Like this is the make any sense? I just thought I was like they were going for something really specials and ending like death gave her a gift, gave him this guy back. I'm like it death was like here's bad pitt. I'd be like yeah, okay, thanks death. Okay, I mean we don't get to hang out anymore, but yeah, I mean next are leaving your shell behind. Also good Shell to pick? Yeah, say you know if you'RE gonna pick one next time. So so I went back and found that the good for her cinematic universe, and it's got a movie on here that should be on my list for endings. That made me so mad I wanted to like throwst off at the screen. But just just so y'all know what's in the good for her cinematic universe. Is the witch, midsummer us, the invisible man, the new one with Elisabeth. I did hear that was really good. It is banging, it's awesome, knives out gone girl, ready or not, and the two thousand and eighteen s speria. That's the one that makes me want to throw st off. I feel like all of these are like, why is it good for her? These are all horrible movies. It's like bad for everyone. I'm sorry, have y'all not seen y'all, I know y'all see now. Not Bad movies, with the exception of knives, not, but all these like horror movies where it's bad for everyone. Well, but the girl comes out on top and it's there as that where that happens. That art horror movie. I know, I know, I just I found it amusing. Yeah, but the one I'd like to touch on, if you are ready to move on, yeah, from me Joe Back to Segue. Thanks for bad pitt. Yeah, we'd be the two thousand and SI speria. So you know I love horror movies and have you watched the the original? Yes, and I adore the original and I am a fan of adaptation. I think adaptation is interesting. I have no problems, like there are no they're almost no sacred cows to me, so it doesn't bother me when things be remade or rebooted or anything like that. On paper, I should adore everything about this movie. It's a reboot of one of, in my opinion, one of the best horror films ever made. Too, it's got tilda Swinton in it, who I adore, and she's playing three completely different roles, one of which is an old man. So I'm just like, what is this? This is so cool and and it's got a really cool score by Tom Work of radiohead. So I'm like there there should be so many things that I'm going to really love about this movie. And so I got to watch it and you know, I had ended up with a free movie ticket from doing some sort of promotion and I was like man, I don't know, like if I should be mad that I wasted my free movie ticket on this movie that I'm so now so angry about. or or I should be glad that I didn't pay actual money for this movie because, you know, spoilers for the original sysperia. The original sy spire is as a one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight, eight hundred and seventy nine Italian horror film by Dorio Argento. Really Beautiful Cinematography, interesting use of like color. Do you have that crazy score from that that Goblin? Yes, yes, I don't know if y'all, if y'all got to that on my Halloween playlist for the Halloween party, but I put the the theme from Susperi on there. The music is amazing. It's really cool. You get to...

...see it in the theater because all the sounds come through different channels, so it's really disorienting. I've seen the the thing would like she like Paul super stained glass. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, great, great film. So this remake of subsperious by Luca, can't say his last name because it's really long, and an Italian. So I apologize for Bab John here. Good, keep talking. Yeah, stars, Dakota fanning, are not the code fanning. I'm sorry, Dakoda Johnson. Most people, I guess, know her for the two shades of gray this. This is what I've seen her in something else, but it wasn't that. Anyway, she was she was pretty good in the film. It had the original Sysperia's Star, Jessica Harper, making a cameo appearance in the film, told us, went and playing three different roles. This movie was about an hour longer than the original and they added a different like like a kind of a side story with one of Tilda switten's characters, the old man psychologist. And Yeah, who those are looserve sounds that I meant to make? Is Been exactly the the side story added absolutely nothing to the film except for an hour. The cinematography was not there. They didn't even like do, like I would think something. And to be fair, I read afterwards Luca can't say his last name. Well, the mean low yeah, that guy. He he wanted to kind of do his own thing, like kind of take the idea of the film into his name, and that's fair. But the stuff that he changed and added to the story did absolutely nothing for the film. And then you get to the end, which spoilers. At the end of the original Susperia, Jessica Harper's character, you know, kills the head, which Helena Marcos, and escapes and so, you know, it's not like a super happy ending, but she escapes with her life and that's that's really cool and that's amazing. You know, good for her. We get to the end and Dakoda Johnson's characters, same character, turns out she's the head which and she kills everyone in like this satanic like blood explosion and sex dance. And was this? Is Is this what inspired blood machine? Don't know, haven't seen what she was veriable. Don't watch it. Yeah, well, so was this. Don't watch it. Like. What drove me nuts like and so I actually did go back and watch the film a second time because my friend Jasmine, who's also staff writer, a fan girlish. She loves the new SUSPERIA and hates the old one, and I love the old one and hate the new one. So we wrote an article together called the tale too susperious. So I when I went back and watched it again, I could see some little tells that where you could see, oh, she's actually going to turn. But what drove me mad is I don't like being baited and switched and made to root for the bad guy. MMM, that's what made me mad, because I know I'm lawful good. As much as I love horror movies, I'm lawful good. I want the good guys to win and I just hated the bait and switch to that and I hated that on paper, I should love everything about this movie because it's an adaptation. It's got, till this winton in three different roles. There's no reason I shouldn't love it. And and yet, by the end of just like the only thing I like about this movie is the score. And even the score isn't even like remotely comparable to the Goblin score in the original, which I think is while the Tom York score is very cool on its own, it doesn't hold a candle to Goblin. So anyway, that's that's my rants about Saperia two thousand and eighteen. Don't watch it. I have to agree with you, though, on the whole, like feeling like like you're voting for the bad guy at the end of the movie is such a it's such a cop out, I think, by the writers to do like because the bat and switch or the twist, or whatever you want to call it. It like it's only mean the thing. You were just talking about this yesterday, like big twists and movies are done well if you've been given enough to understand what the twist is going to be. But maybe it's still got you and you can watch it again. Go Oh man, all these things were right in front of my face and I missed it. But the movies like that to where it's like, even if it was looking really hard, how was I supposed to know? Like I've been rooting for this person the whole time and then now, all of a sudden, like they're terrible, like well, did you do that to me? Like it just makes me angry now, right. No, I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah, that that's my beef with the two thousand and eighteen s Speria, Lisa, tell me how to say Luca's last name again without your foe's an accident. Quad. It's Guaddad me. No, why didn't you know? Guadad me? No, Mr Luke, I do apologize if we have butchered your last name. You gotta do this and then it flows naturally look good. God, I mean no, no, that's the luck I'm Jack for me, but he's also the guy that directed. Call me by your name. Which one, Kenny? I was that the one you were talking about with the beach? Yeah, you really didn't like. Yeah, it is interesting movie. Yeah, like I from what I know about that film, it's probably not going to be one I'm going to enjoy either, mostly because it...

...ends sadly. I do really enjoy a timothy shall mat who's the lead. Oh, yeah, excellent, and Army Hammer is awesome act do it's just an interesting story line. It's pretty much about like an older man who's to douce his younger boy, hmm. Yeah, which is like, on its face already something that I'm like, not entirely right, and they're like, look, we can make this beautiful and like, I don't necessarily know. I I want to make that, you'll say, going after somebody under age? Yes, not appropriate, like and then there's like a pretty famous scene where like he has sex in the peach. I don't know if Modern Day texting has encouraged this with the use of the sexy peach Emoji, but I mean I can't say that I knew that about the film. And now I know I will never watch it's is a very intimate, TEP scene between this young boy and a beach and rose is wow, like I, yeah, let's not get off on a rant, but yeah, that was a that was a little too much of a movie for me in every way. Yeah, that a movie can be too much. Wow movies, the bad ending, move that ending, okay, oh so, or TV shows. Okay, so I got to I get to that. I can go through real quick. But one one that the and this is more of a when you adapt a when you adapt a different material into a movie and you change the ending, it needs to be because the original ending was unfilmable. That's the only real excuse, or because if the original ending was bad, then you could change it. So let me give an example. Fight Club, and the book is much better in my mind, because it's left ambiguous whether Tyler Dirdan is actually gone, whereas in the movie it's kind of a happy ending. That's one where I think the happy ending was a little bit of a COPPA. I don't think it's bad, but I think I actually preferred the book ending, where it was kind of ambiguous. was usually I don't like that, but it's written well enough that I actually I actually enjoyed the book anymore. But so we'll have to do a Harry Potter that, especially now that Branda's water red red all of it. Yeah, it's totally invested. Well to do a Harry Potter, I don't think. Go back and you watch movies and read the books. Yes, it's been a while since I've washed all the movie yes, but the wiser. I watched them recently. But so never seen him, but so and and think the I think the the seventh, the seventh eighth movies, which is the seventh book. I think we're great and you're really good. There is one thing they changed about the ending which I thought was dumb and and removed a lot of the emotional stakes of the book ending, which is the older wand. Yep, the older one is this one that's like cursed and passed on the generations, and Harry is like the power of the older one. Is because people believe that it has this mystical power and so they're always going to fight for it. And so if you kill the original owner, then the wand becomes yours. So if I die of natural causes, then it it just spells the curse of the one. So what he does is he buries it in Dumbledore's grave and says when I die it will remove the the little it. Basically, I'm breaking the chain of the older one forever. And as it's really powerful moments like I could continue to use it, but I'm going to use my he uses it to repair his old wand, his original wand, and then buries it with dumb bos grave. It's like a really good moment in the movie. Just like this thing's throws off and snaps. It does hell in the river. No, like, oh my God, especially because they had the scene with Dumbledore's grave where they like lowered him into the ground, like you could have done it there. Why did you change that? It added nothing in in fact, it removed. They removed like a a like a moment of Harry showing how he's matured overall, like I feel like the films, but there are good adapt tastes. But yes, that that part made me mad. I think the other thing that irked me about the the final film is that you that was too hot. I couldn't take it that. That did not bother me at all. Right, I was distracted. What really irked me was that you the whole point of Harry gathering the hallows is that he becomes master of death. Right, and you basically show Harry defeating Voldemort by pointing his wand really hard at him. Right, and it it. You don't get the final speech of Harry saying you don't understand why none of your curses are binding and why I can defeat you. You know, it's not that Harry's going to, you know, say a Vatacadabra and kill him. He's he says it's Felly armist and that, you know, Harry's all about. Instead of attack, he's all about defense. And again, that is how he becomes the master of death, is that he gains mastery over all the hallows but is not ruled by them. There are lots of other things that we could go into with with that. I wrote my Undergrad these is on Christian symbols and Harry Potter and that was before the last book came out. So this is it's an auld watch, just like yeah, so it doesn't make sense. Right. So for me like that, that to me diluted the the idea that Harry is a Christ figure correct films, because you know, Christ is, you know, becomes master of a death. It was not just that he died, it was that he rose again and became master of her death. And that's what Harry does. You know, he dies and has, you know, a resurrection and and you know, through that act, that and because he gave himself for his people,...

...that allows him to become anster of her again. We still need to have the big discussion on. Okay. So the reason, Harry, the that avadacadabra reflected, was because lily sacrificed herself. It was an act of pure love. And what you're telling me is no one has ever done that before. Straight LOUISARD girl. And mean, obviously it's been done before. How else would she have known could do it? Well, no, she did it. She didn't like a done the side using it us break in Ben Shout with the AVATICADAVA. Maybe. Yeah. Well, and also I think it's different, because it's also different because voldemort was trying to create a for cut for Crox. Because, yeah, and so, because lily gotten his way, that created it made Harry the accidental for crux. Right, right, I know, I recognize that. Like that's why he became a whore crux and that's why it was connecting with the but the reason they didn't kill him was because of Lily's love, yes, which dumbled. There's like it's love and like, okay, why doesn't everyone just use love? was apparently really good spelled Ju Ju's spelled Juju, but it's very costly. I'm just saying, like we should see what we should have seen a lot more heart shaped spells, like just obliterating to mentors. I'm sorry, are you wanting like spells that come out like in the shape of like care bear stair? Yeah, I want people like throwing little bombs that have the little like the the Valentine's Chalk Candy, like you your mind, don't? They have spells like that love Oceania, but that's it's different. So let's go to so let's go to TV shows. Okay, so as I had one more movie. Okay, go far. I had a couple yeas on. I didn't. I didn't mean like permanently. I spent like Oh yeah, yeah, I'll come back to that one them, but it's in the same okay, so TV shows and I I'll say a different one because I know you're going to want that one Battlestar Galactica, and I think you might disagree with me and I like the ending. Okay. So, and it's not until the very, very, very, very, very very very ending of Battlestar Galactica. I'm what's a huge spoiler here, right, they do in this whole thing with the cylons. Then turns out that they're like what, six or eight human looking cylons and that they're all embedded in glass battle. They happened to all be battled, embedded on black together. They're all within the the truth, right, but they end up basically coming to a peace agreement and they when they find earth, like we're just going to settle here and we're going to stop fighting and we're going to give up our technology and whatever. They go down to Earth and one of the silence that had a baby, so there's like a half silent baby and they go down to earth and they see they see the the ancient tribes of earth and the like. We're going to intermingle with them and they like fast forwards the present day a and there's like Angel Caprica and Angel British Cylon Guy, and they're just like reading that they pull up some newspaper headline about Ai and like Baltar, yeah, guys. And they pull up some headline and like it's starting again. Humanity better be careful. And it turns out, though, Oh, you know, the half silent baby was mitochondrial eve. And Oh, humanities heading towards the same thing. And I'm like, why didn't you just end twenty minutes earlier when you're like and we're going to start new life up earth the end? I would have been fine with that. It's a little sappy. Oh, and finally up and then they tried to tie it to this like Oh, shaking this like a captain planet message about like a humanity better watch out. And look, it's tied to real life. Now I know it was really in the past and I was like this came literally came out of nowhere, means absolutely nothing and was really stupid. I hated it. I thought it was so dumb. I thought it was so dumb and I wouldn't say that I loved it per se, but I didn't really have a problem with it. I think my biggest thing was who the hell was starbuck start outs by? It's true. That's true. So I you know, there's so many things I adore about her and I like. So I'm such a completionist. Before I watched the you know, the two thousand and four, that was our Galactica, I went back and watched the s Batastar Galactica because Ashley can't handle it, and so that was one of the things. I was like, Whoa, this chick looks nothing like Dirk Bennedict. Come on. So, but as he shouldn't, being my favorite character through the whole thing. So my my thing was like I don't understand like what they were trying to accomplish with her and what they were trying to do there. So that that was like my real beef with the ending, and I've only watched battle Stortalactica Woods, so I'm willing to go back and revisit it and see if I feel differently. But yeah, I did get make a little mixed up with like the timeline and stuff, with what they were trying to do with that. The the whole it's starting again. I mean it kind of feels like the whole like the ending of plane of the eights, but it's like and they were on earth the whole time, but it didn't make like it was. It was just stupid. It's like this whole batt stick to pass in the past, so we're actually all parts stylon, like it literally means nothing,...

...like it's so stupid. And these ain't you never explain why you have Angel Caprica and Angel Guias. Yeah, but you never explain that. They're just there and people see them occasionally in the show, but they're never explained. If they're not signons, they're literally, as far as we can tell, they are just literally angels, and it's it's just like, what the hell are you even do it? And I don't know, especially because I really think it should have just ended with a Dama bearing what's your bucket on the hill. Excuse me, that is president, Laura Rose and Laura Rosen, who is awesome. Gosh, it's been a while. Still Watch them, Dude. That's my president. But it should have ended with it should have ended with Edward James almost bearing her on the hill and then it like panting up and showing people, you know, starting to rebuild and then going to credits. That's how it should have ended, and they just tacked on. It really felt like an afterthought. This tacked on thing that like was like Oh, and here's the real meaning behind it all, like so dumb. So that just like I did'te. It didn't like ruin everything that came before it. It didn't like turn everything around, but it was just like really, that was dumb. You know you, you didn't plan that, kind of like when authors will like years later come out with her relation like yeah, I was playing at the whole time, like no, you were not, you're wrong, you were not planning that. Don't even you're lying. But yeah, that was a GALACTICA backed up. The ending was this just cut one episode sooner. You need to watch Battlestar GALACTA. It's good, it's really good. You you would really enjoy it. Great. Yeah, I thought it was, and that's I think that's what made it so such a bummer for me, is that it Crescendos, Crescendos, Crescendos, and then just like like total boring, eyes blazing over ending and I was like hey, okay, I guess it's done. What do I do now? So they went out with a whimper when I should have gone with a bang. Oh Man, all right, so I know this one. You'll at least join it on. I'm not sure how much you have watched this show, but how I met your mother and watched all of that. Oh and you liked the ending right, implusible. I did not have a problem. Okay, let's put it that way. Why isn't it? It's I also did not have like a super like. I enjoyed how much of mother. Thought it was really fun, but I was not super emotionally invested in it like I get with other TV shows. I can definitely respect that like. So for me it was the opposite. Like carmatch, your mother was like deeply emotionally invested by me and was one of my favorite shows. I think it's still still is, you know, looking back at it's like that was. That was like my show during the time. I was like, I watched all the time. Love how much mother still do. Can go back and watch random episodes. Love it. Characters are great in my opinion, and again spoilers ked the whole the whole qualm of the last season is that you use the whole entire last season to finally meet the kids mothers. That's like a whole premise of the show is that Ted is talking to his kids about how I met your mother. Finally meet the mother beginning of the last season, developer character. You get to know her and then it pretty much the last episode of I believe it's the last episode, you find out she was dying the whole time and now she's she's dead. Wildly. That was not my response when she died. I was I was very sad. But then the kids turn and they're like, oh well, just go out with Aunt Robin, and then that's how the show ends. Robin Divorces Barney, Barney gets a kid with somebody who leaves him, and then Ted in his bankob Christ yeah, and then he marries, or I guess. I don't know if he see them to get married, but he gets with Robert. It's all of you now, which that frustrated me so much because I honestly thought the most born character that entire show is Ted. Mostly. Well, yeah, certainly Ted is like like Robin's a funny Care Robin's a great character. Already's a great care he's and MOMS. I Love Lily and Marsha, Lilli and Marshall's together thing is awesome. I dogeve it. Like Ted is funny sometimes. Yeah, certainly sure, but they'll show kind of wrapped together really well. Yeah, but my whole problem, just from a writing standpoint, it's just like, all right, regardless of what direction you enjoy, regardless of whether you were like I'm team, you know, Ted and Robin all the way, if you spent the entire last season developing Ted and Robin getting together as that being the big thing, and at the very end Robin died and Ted got with the mother, I would also consider that to be a terrible and it wasn't necessarily for me. What they decided to do is how they did it right, and it was like, I don't know if there's any way you can twist this to where that's not a cop out, and being like all right, well, let's just make a and I I haven't necessarily heard a whole lot of arguments to be like, oh well, it made sense to where they would spend the whole last season. This is when you're fit, like they are, like this is the last season. I high much mother. Were developing this new character, you're starting to understand her. At the very ending, like that was never about her. Let's get her up the screen. Now we're back to the original four was like so, seems weird. I don't know for me. Yeah, like so too. I come at it with of two minds because when I watched it, I was like really, I had that same reaction, like really,...

...really, and I kind of felt like Kristen Milatti, actually she played tracy, the mother. I kind of felt like she got the shack, like the whole function of her character was to produce children for ten and she served no like we got such a gloss over their love story and like yeah, they had this amazing love story and everything was great, which, by the way, if y'all haven't washed pulp springs on Hulu, she's in that and she's hilarious. Kristen lay really really fun interesting twist on like kind of the groundhog day concept, pomp's friends on who recommend anyway. So I felt bad for her because I felt like she just got such the shack with that and the kids. Yes, a friend of my hat and dirty jips with dirty but I shouldn't have done that. That's not the dead if so. So I didn't like that about the store because I felt like, you know, her only function was to produce right, right, and and I didn't feel like that was fairer her character, right, a buddy of mine pointed out like talking about the ending, she's like, I don't love it, but also like isn't that life, though? Life doesn't turn out the way you expected and true, and you make the best of that circumstance. That's true. That's true. But here's that, here's the problem with it in the in the context of the television show, is they build it up, they build it up, they build it up, and then it's just like okay now, she said. Yeah, and I honestly think it might have worked if it was like if they had done sort of like what scrubs did the end, where Jad has like a montage of the future. If they just don't like a montage of the future and then it cuts to the present where she and she has passed away, and kind of fleshing that out a little more. kind of liked doing home. Trying to think of the show maybe parts, I think, yeah, parts erected this yeah, where it was showing the present and then cutting back to pastiches in like in the A as as it was like developing. Yeah, I think that would have worked better. But but the really the thing that really got my goat was. I totally shipped Barney and Robin and the awesome Rachel Dust. Were like will they won't they? Will they won't they? They slowly grow together and then they doing the wedding and then there you're finally just like yes, they're together, and then one season later they're like, oh, by the way, they got divorce and she end up with Ted. Like no, I guess that's what, more than more than the mother dying, which was was obnoxious. But again, she wasn't there long enough for me to actually get attached to her. Yeah, but Oh Robin, who was a character I really loved, and Barney, who, robin and Barney together were great, right, and they built them. They spent so long building that relationship and building that mutual trust and then actually, you know, getting married. I just yeah, I just feel like it's the classic like a holly, like Hollywood has trouble creating like meaningful relationship between guys and girls that doesn't turn sexual where it's like well, it's like, I mean and it's like in. So You keep Ted and Robin as he's like. I liked them as friends. I thought they were awesome friends, like we're lit she was with Barney. She's much more like Barney. She's much more like but when you started to see that happen in the show, all of a sudden I was like like this kind of make when she was like yeah, I'll smoke cigars of you. Yeah, I was like, Oh, like this is gonna be and then it does. It develops and it's really well done, and then Ted kind of eventually matures and it's like Hey, I can still love you well as a friend, and you're like, this is great too, and they're like, but no, because he loves her, and it was like, oh, man and women can't be friends. But I think, I think one of the one of the one of the things that I thought was the show is called how I met your mother. I thought it would have been appropriate to introduce the mother on a last episode and just be like, listen, we don't necessarily need to develop her character right, nobody that's been watching is going to be able to because you're right, I think. Forget the actress name, but she did kind of get shafted because you have a group of people that have watched her watching said their name, like I think I believe his eight seasons of how I much. Yeah, it was nine and I think was nineteen. Okay, so you go through eight seasons developing the main characters and we're expected to now feel the same way about a new character that they're trying to push for one season and then and then she and then she dies. It just seemed confusing. He's like, why would you in that case? Why not just let the people that have been watching these eight seasons enjoy the same characters for the ninth season? and An introducer at the end is saying, and this is how I met your mother. Maybe you have one episode that's kind of like a romantic first dat or a first meeting, and that's honestly, it's not about this is how I continued to fall in love with your mother, and this shows us how I met your mother. Right, that's kind of what I thought. The show is building up to. You like, all of a sudden it's going to be one episode where he maybe even just Caesar and he doesn't talk to her yet and says, and that's when I met her and that's going to be the end of the show. And it's like that's perfectly fun. We don't need to introduce her. We've been developing all these other characters for so long, and that's why, in my head, maybe it just caught me so off guard. I was like, there is no possible way it can be any of these characters. And that's kind of the beauty the show is that you get to see all the different turns and twists he made. But alting, he's going to end up with his other person and they were like and then that's how I met her and let's have a full season with her. And then she died and I'm going to get with right. It was it just seemed like,...

I don't know, like are your wives? It just seemed only would rowe wait a minute. It was. It was a hard one because it seemed like it changed everything about the whole series and I was like, oh, that's such a bummer, because you couldn't still have shows a bad endings and enjoy kind of like the beginnings of the show. But when I go back and I watched it, I still kind of think now I'm like, the whole port of the show isn't about how I met your mother, like it's just about Robin the whole time, like it's not real. She's introduced for one season dies at the Endok, honestly, who cares? Like it is bad for her because she's kind of an interesting, kind of corky character. You start to like her, but it like she's introduced for a season and she's gone and Madian. It's just so silly. anyways, before let's let's somebody throw out another one, before we just spend the rest of the show talking my how I metrull it. Ashley, do you want to pull out the Big One? Well, we'll save that one for later. That one for laugh because that I don't have a lot to say on it because I have not watched right and I don't recommend that you do. But if we want to shift back to shows I loved until the last episode, for me that's going to be enterprise, Star Trek. HMM. And I did. And to be fair, I still really love enterprise, but when I was watching it originally, I posted something. I was like I'm almost done with Star Trek Enterprise. I don't get the hate, and everybody's like don't watch the last episode and I'm like why, it can't possibly be that bad. Was it was so spoiler alert for star Trek Enterprise the last. So so the next to last episode is a perfect series finale. You know in our shows that ended too soon. Episode I talked a little bit about enterprise and you know, part of the reason it got caught off early was because of issues at up it. But the next, the last episode is a perfect series finale. Even though, like it was shorter than the other star trek series, it is still like would have been really great. And the last episode they chose to have an I kind of meant to go back and look over it again last night and I didn't get to, but the basically some sort of calamity happens on the enterprise. Trip, who's the best character on that show, also most positive rayal, the southern person ever on TV in my opinion. Trip goes in. He's the only one that can fix it and he saves the day and he gets killed and everybody's like but sorry, but yeah, you can throw my mean I feel like like a serenity moment. Yeah, yeah, basically. And so like I'm just devastated. They right, and our watching this, this finale, and I'm just like ruined and I'm just weeping and weeping and we because, like there was it the show is done. That was absolutely no not for my mic in my read, really absolutely no point for them to do this. Are they went nickill and Yo madecks. I just put that on the soundboard. Yep. Anyway, yes, so enterprise. Great, just don't watch the last episode, trust me on this. And and it's presented as like a Jonathan Right. Soon Commander Riker is walking everyone through like a museum of starfleet history, and they're like it's and here we have Charles Tucker, the Third, Aka Troupe, and Blah, blah, blah, and they tell his story of how he's dead and I'm like so upset. Yeah right, that's what I have to say about that. Don't watch the last episode. And and and in retrospect, people have said the show runners have said, yeah, we really shouldn't have done that with the last episode. No shots. I could have told you that. Yeah, don't. Anyway, I've got two movies. When to talk about that? I'm that I can think about the pop in my head. I'm trying to think of other TV shows, but really that'll start Galiatica. But most of the time, if I'm getting most of the shows that have like really wretched endings. I stopped watching beforehand, right, which is why battle start black. This was so frustrating me because it was just so like right at the end of what was a really, really good series. But going back to changing the ending, watchman, I'm sorry, just to be clear. Watchman the the movie, the movie. I have not lost the show for the shows. That show is amazing. Yeah, so excellent, absolute excellent. Yes, actually, graphic novel. Yeah, really good, one of the only Zack Snyder moves actually enjoy. Yeah, sames movies good right up until the end. Yep, and then so spoiler. So here's what happens. So awesome, mandious. Someone's killing off old supers. Basically, it's kind of very incredible s but much, much, much, much, much darker, for someone's killing at what supers, things that I never would have compared. But someone's felling that old supers.

And roor shack, who's the best character. He's basically Batman at Batman had no it was a moral yeah, or was was like I will do anything necessary, including kill people, and did have a many gadgets. Just I'm not you're not stuck in here with me. I'm sticking in a ways. I'm not stalking. Really, you, you're stop any man. Great. He's also played by like one of the least intimidating looking guys. Yeah, right, like, yeah, there's a mass intimidating voice. You've ever well, I'm sad I laughed that law Jackie Haley. Yeah, looks it. Well, he actually looks. No, he played the character or definitely, and he looks like worship doesn't book. It was so good because he's like what I meant by that comment is that he's got up. He looks. Yeah, he looks kind of short meeds, this little ginger guy, but when he drops they're like, yeah, terrified, pull off, how serious he prison? They pull off his mask and you like really back and then he kills everyone. You like, Whoa? Yeah, he is, he is a but anyways, and in the movie they find out that Ozomandious, who is basically like this, a really smart guard, as man of the world, words man the world, has been orchestrating this and he's been planning this basically a simultaneous attack on every major nation in the world to make it look like this. Okay, frame, yeah, to the frame. Well, okay, so in the in the comic book, He's planning a an attack that's going to make it look like aliens are invading the earth, and so it's going to force all the nations of the world to unite in peace. All the other superheroes found out about that and they're like, you know what, this this, this might work. And but but warshak is like getting autopot and so he's he's he's like, I'm going to tell everyone. How can you do this? And DC Manhattan's like, no, if you get we have to do this because it's the only way we're actually going to get the we're gonna get peace. so He's like and then Roy Shack is like, I'm going to do it anyways. And so and so Dr Hattons Platterson and he's like so uncivilized. Um in the movie in the exact same thing happens. Or Shack is like, I'm not okay with this. You know, we have to we have to live our lives based on truth and whatever the truth is. That's why I'm going to tell people like you kill people, you're going to go. I'm you'RE gonna have to kill me to stop this. And bacumn, he's like okay. And SPLATTERSON, but in the movie. He just like nukes a bunch of Ozoman he's just knukes a bunch of cidies and then blames doctr Manhattan. Right, everyone's like the alien, everyone's like, oh, it's documenthattans. So document and meets himself away to Mars and it's like this is fine. And the reason it's stupid is because and and I, you know, they heard the argument like, Oh, they changed it because it was harder to film. Okay, yes, the fun is the thing is they set up the fact that Osomanius had been doing genetic experiments with this little two tailed tiger thing that he has that is still in the movie. Why would you have it in the movie if you remove the thing that that thing was pointing to? So they still have the Genetically Modified Tiger in the movie. That's pointed the fact that Ozomaney's doing these experiments and that's why he made these alien monster things that he teleports into a bunch of cities and makes it look like Alans are attacking. Why could you not still do that? Because the the the comic book ending. Why, if it had this a similar feel, made a lot more sense. Because document had is still sticking around it is like I'm going to help bring world peace right, whereas this one he's like seeing a humanity by e and just eats himself to Mars and it was so dumb. In the same reason the Harry Potter like he changed it for no good reason. And maybe they were sending well and and I think some of US probably due to the fact that movie was like three hours long. Sure, and it would have been even longer, but I still think it was a dumb idea. Also, like in the comic they tried the that the all the aliens attacking, they try to pin it on Documenthattan. So I mean I understand why they maybe did that, but I still thinks it terrible. Yeah, and I think here I could not agree with you more. And I didn't even think about like the whole set up with a twotail tighter right, because I've only seen the movie once and, yeah, it's been a wall. Yeah. So, so it was one where I was like wow, they did a really good job with having at novel in the end and I was like I loo stood up. I was like what the hell was that? I mean my friend were like, are you kidding me? Like I had literally read the book, the graphic novel, the night before seeing this movie. So it was like very fresh in my mind, a book, very angry. No, it was like he was very fresh in my mind because we went on a Sunday. So I like all day Saturday just read the graphic novel and I was like sweet, let's go watch it, and so we went watching. There like wow, this is almost act of the same. The sex on those ship was a little weird, but you know what, we're going to move past it. Everything's great. Rorschack is awesome. Documenthattan, blue dog on that was standing looks really great. We talked about the blue dog and like it doesn't seem to be swaying with gravity. It's like going opposite gravity, like there, it's not. It is a magic Dong, so as but say, Decumenthattan, my hand could do whatever you want. I just love the the part where he's like, he's he's like having sex with his girlfriend and like another band appears did and then it cuts to him like eating...

...a book in the kitchen and she's like really, yeah, but what's the big deal? I don't get yet. Those slugs are multitasking so unnecessary. She's like they were like licking a battery. When I lick your fingers, I was like why even have that? I've enjoyed looking at battery. Gonna make people confused and they're gonna be like why? Like it's just a bad line. It's yeah, the the sex stuff was weird. Well, it's weird in the comic books. Oh, yeah, it's definitely in the combook. But I feel like the comic books pulls it off more, again, more because you don't have to see Swang blue dog. But anyways, you see static Lu don don't believe you've done this things that. But yeah, so that that was one. That was an ending that made me. That was an ending that made me angry. Yeah, yeah, but definitely recommend being oh yeah, it is the serious I've heard the shows really good. Well, the the show is a a sex place in the same universe, right, it is a spiritual sequel to the graphic novel. It not not the film. So, but yeah, Regina King absolutely amazing. Yeah, yeah, AB duel, can't say. I think I think that's his full name. I want to feel like he's gonna I've dated MEME. He's the guy who's going to be the lead in the new candy man. Yeah, yeah, Abdul Matein the second I was we I was just talking about Cann was lying yesterday, like, wait, is it's Tony Todd coming back for it? Yes, Tony Todd is is definitely in the film. He's on he's on the credits list. I'm assuming it. It maybe just be boy stuff. HMM, I don't know. If I again, don't know how that one's going to play out. Right. Yeah, becomes the Blue Candy Man. I know that can happen. Well, he plays the grown up version of the Little Baby Kay, Virginia Madsen's character rescues from the right the trash pile. Okay, but yeah, anyway, would definitely recommend the watchman series. It's honestly, it's probably the best thing I've watched this year. Cool, yeah, but we'll. Yeah, I'll be able to do this, maybe. God, I love Tony Todd he's so awesome. Yeah, he's Great. He's great. Oh Man, I see. Okay, so my thoughts right now on on bad endings for movies TV shows. I'm not going to go into loss because I think there was too much of a slope there. As far as started off amazing. Three seasons in and then I think there's seven total seasons. Pretty wrong, and it's a steady decline. Part of me, though, even thinks that, man, even with the steady decline, that ending was a dude. It was just it's just such a slap in the face, mean mine as well. If been like double middle fingers, me, like screw you, you watch the whole thing. It was it was like you get to the end of they like we've all been dead the whole time. I've heard that heroes had a similar type of decline, but I've only watched like the first season. Yeah, there's only like two seasons. I or three seasons. I use more maybe, but I've heard like people like watch the first few season of heroes. Don't watch the second season, but don't watch anything else. Have you guys ever seen the movie the missed? Yes, now, but it's a similar side. Think. Well, they they change the ending from them, from the book. Yeah, really, Ephen King Book and Stephen King apparently approved of this. Stephen Kings, like I wish I had thought of that ending. And so I'm like, man, I'm glad the book doesn't end this way, because this is terrible. Yeah, to me, I like, I thought it was too it was. It was too much to the point of almost comedy. Like I watched the first time and I just started laughing I'm like, is this really like? It's I mean, it's UN so it's like so aware of itself that it's about to end and so let's make this as terrible as possible. Words possible. I will look it for those who don't know. You want me to describe it real quickly? Yeah, but he will. Yeah, I mean, yeah, alkay. So, so, basically, the mist is the idea that there's a bunch of monsters or aliens or whatever that are in this miss. So if you if you're in the miss, they will attack you. So it's like the the the guy, his son and two other people are escaping in a car. The car breaks down as the missed overtakes them, and so the dad pulls out a gun and basically mercy kills he's got only a three books. Yeah, he's got three bullets. So he basically mercy kills the other two people and his son and it's like okay, I'll let the miss kill me. And then it turns out that the army is killing all the monster the miss that come and rescue him, like right as he's killed his son. Like that happens in like two minutes. It's literally like he last pulls the gun out, kills the three people, is really sad, accepts his death and then like he hears like an army car drive by and he opens the door and the missed like dissipates and there's all these army soldiers and he just mean, like what did he get down on his knees and say, no, I can't remember, wouldn't shop. Yeah, he gets under his knees and his like I really do think that that's what happens actually, but I mean that to me it was like it we look't be bad if he, I'm down his DAS...

...and gone. One of the movie really is all that compelling and it's not that not good enough for any master. CGI looks really bad and is the lighting effects are not good in like the whole realm of like things that disappointed didn't disappoint me because I wasn't really invest in the movie. There's a shlw movies that just have realcials are bad and bad endings that aren't like we heard heard of the movie unthinkable. It's one of the mini Samuel Jackson movies. He's like an interrogator for the United States, like secret service or something, I don't know, and there's a guy that's a terrorist and he's like I've got, you know, three like nuclear bombs around the US, and so he's the whole movies about how he's going to interrogate him and it's just it's pretty brutal and it's like it's the point of like what extent would you go to get the information on to somebody? Think it's to the point where he liked kills the guy's wife in front of him and then like one point he like brings his kids in and he's like like he, Samuel Jackson, is the one that's killing. He's he's the crazy guy, but not really crazy. I mean that's the whole moral dilemmas. Like okay, see doing a good thing because he's trying to save millions and millions and millions of people, because this guy is confirmed that he's got three atomic bombs, or is he an evil guy because he just killed an innocent moment? I don't know. So that's the whole idea and you're like okay, this is mildly interesting just for that fact. And then at the end, like he gives in the information because he's almost kids to die, and then the palms still go off. It's the end of the movies. And so it's like like the movie again, it's not good enough to be like, let's talk about the ending, but right, and things like that. Like there's been several of these. I will say. Have you guys gotten into the Clover Field trifectam movie? I so, I watched one, the first one, and I was disappointed by how much I did not like it. HMM, now on camera one, right, yeah, yeah, it's so. And then, but Tin Cloverfield Lane is excellent. You like Tin Cloverfield Lane? Yeah, let's talk about like, like why did why did that ending need to be? Why did it make any sense? I mean that's the little where the John Goodman's kidnapping people. Yes, yes, John Goodman, and did that just seem totally complete. It came out of left field and it was it just bizarre, like the whole living to just the to update whole movie. John Goodban has not really questionly kidnapped this girl. The whole idea is that he's like hey, you were passed out, like you would run off the road and crashed. I brought you down here into this like bunker because there's a gas outside. That's you say. It's killing people. Are It's making people crazy and they're killing themselves or something one of the two. And so it's him. Basically, there's dangerouts right now exactly, and then there's one other young guy, and so it's about like the Claustrophobia, like the three of them in there, and it's getting kind of like weird and it's getting tense and it's like it's like is he telling the truth? There is a creepy serial killer guy. This is kind of scary, but the same time it could be like a heart like you know, you don't really know, and then you kind of find out he's a little crazy because it kills the other guy. And anyways, she breaks out of there. She's fine. There isn't any gas and an aliens show up and at one point there's like a missile launcher that gets shout at the aliens. This isn't like the last ten minutes of an entire movie that has taken place underground and that you don't know that there's anything supernatural at all and you get out and like the last few minutes of the movie it's like Aliens Show Up, Alien Spaceship, they're shooting. There's a miss launcher shot. movieans because it's taking place, takes place in the same universe as clover face, let's say it now. Is this like a I can't remember where it occurs in the timeliness. Is Prior to the original clover fie, I think. I think the idea is that ten cloverfiel lane happens, and I like the end of the movie is when clover field starts. Yeah, well, okay, it's not that quite that simple, because then then then there's then there's the paradox or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that like starts at all off or something. It gets come so okay. So this I've only seen each of those films and in my opinion those movies try a little too hard. But the I don't know if you guys know much of like the backstory behind like like how they developed developed their story. I don't know if you know much about it. So so the whole the whole thing with through magnet were they through Dart Sid of Fridge Magno or so like. It's pretty insane and actually took a lot of work. So in the first movie that came out, if you were really just like an enthusiast, you could find out so much about so well, that's right, they did a bunch of ar style. Yes, so basically, like you could search one of the companies that you saw on the back, like one of them, one of like the oiling companies that you saw in the background. You could search that company online and they created a real website or it looked very real, and you could go in and they'd be like Oh, like, like here pictures over some of our dogs out there, and if it was such a stranger coming across that, you think this is a real oil tanking whatever. But you look through some of the pictures and some of them are classified and you can click on a few more things and it's like email this person. If you send this person an email, they'll send you an email back and you basically, it's insane, like boss. So there is a forty five minute video explaining all of the things that you can do outside of the movie to get more information to the point of where you can ask you buy a t shirt and they'll send you a t shirt for the smoothie company that that that that uses like the slime from these aliens to create the SMOOTHIES. And they, and no, I didn't, but I watch the video, and they'll send you a handwritten little like note, as if it's like one of one of the people in this like mining thing that's like trapped in there and they're like please, like send help or whatever, and it's like written on a piece of pap bits been torn, and so you can find out. And so through all of those methods, if you then watch tin clover field lane, it makes some sense...

...because you're like, oh, look at that calendar, Oh look at that car, Oh that's the guy from the shop that I saw on that one website. If you pulled up like employees that have been missing, you know, but it's too much, like too you didn't do that. Then the movie is is it's nonsensical as far as it connects. In itself. You're right and in my opinion the movie was very compelling and interesting all way into the end, when you're like all right, like you can't just at the end be like also, we're in this universe and there's an alien like it was so it just with the tone, went from like all right, this is really tense and very serious to like there are now aliens and people shooting missile launchers. Two minutes ago I was in a basement with John Goodman and we were like cor seen type stuff. How did and then the movies over. It wasn't even like halfway through the movie they introduce it was like very end. Movies over and I was like Gosh, that was so bizarre and I don't think you can justify it by getting me all these backstory things that connected make it makes sense. Maybe if I had put in the time and done all that stuff individually, I could be like Oh, even though nobody else knew it was going on, it felt cool to know exactly what was going on in that did, you know, totally make sense, but I wasn't age for the undergone. I've seen it once. I enjoyed it in the moment and the main thing I remember coming away from that movie is like wow, John Goodman was awesome. I never use he's so good. Never really see him do like all other than like Frid Flint Stone and the dad on Roseanne. It was menacing. And then, yeah, I was like, man, what if you want to see him, if you want to see him be menacing in the goofiest way possible community plays. You haven't gotten there yet, I think. If he comes into season three, okay, but he's the head of the h back wing of the community and so he's like fighting. He fights with the Dean because he wants to Troy's toys, like a genius said, fixing, fixing air conditioners. He's like the good behind its, basically good will, hunting, spook plumbing andishing repair. Okay. And so John coden comes in, is like standing over and he's got like a little top knot and he's menacing the bean. It's Hilarious, Nice. Yeah, no, I really liked him and I really liked Marylizabeth winsty. I was gonna say, Oh, yeah, I remember all the acting. That to be like all the actors are very compelling. Yeah, Oh, yeah, ok, that's still be a good one, like enjoyable movie watch. To be honest, I just didn't like the ending, but I I think I'm with you all those points that. Yeah, yeah, so I enjoyed it in the moment, but I didn't and I didn't make the ending. So it's interesting, interesting, you know. Jumping back a little bit to the mist, I remember like just being like so appalled by the INS because it was so tragic. That was written and directed by Frank Darabunt. He's same guy who did shoshing. Really, yes, wrote and directed shoshing. So yeah, like why would what would you do? Like I even use that as an example of being like. I mean, and again it's it's in the name of shoshank redemption. Yeah, the Redemption Story Ark of that whole movie is just so satisfying to watch. It's like, you know, it's just it's great movie. And then it's a funny that does a guy like that. was like, Oh, let's also had this guy struggle and fight the whole movie and then murder innocent well, well, and to be fair, like this guy has done. Let's see one, two that. That makes three Stephen King adaptations. And he's writer on the walking dead. She because Shoshanka Stephen King, so is the Green Mile and the Milka. So Hmm. So, I mean, Hey, Shoshan is a great animal. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, it's Stephen King. Sometimes he gives you the happy ending like yeah, Oh, yeah, and I'm not. I'm not totally a verse too. There's there's one movie that I really love that will have to watch some time. That basically the ending is like yeah, the bad guy wins, and the way they did it, I actually really loved it. So it can be done well. It's not what I prefer and it wasn't an honestly wasn't. I was just like so blown away by the way they had set it up. It wasn't til I was like, Oh wait, that means that the bad guy won. Damn, it sucks. Yeah, but I don't like it when movies make me feel like I wasted my time. Yeah, so, so that's that. To meet like the International I think was the most frustrating for that, because it was literally like this whole big thing and then look the very, very last scene it's just like yeah, literally, literally nothing he did in the entire movie matter, which was their point. But like, don't waste ten dollars and two and a half hours in my life. Yep. So, anyway, I want to do one of you, one of the movies you yeah, so I've never heard of either of these. Okay, well, I I wouldn't necessarily recommend them. So too horror movies I've seen within the past year. The first one I watched because Finn will hard was in it. He say, Mike's good thing. Yeah, stronger thoughts. Yeah, probably called no. It is the turning out. That is a modern adaptation of Henry James the turn of the screw and which I have not read, but my best friend back home, Sttephanie, Stephanie wrote her Undergrad thesis on Gothic Literature in the turn of the screw was one of the novels...

...that she used for her thesis, and so she was like, yeah, it's going to be based on the turn of the screws should be really interesting. I really like Fin Wolf hard. He's a great actor. This is going to be cool. So I want to go see it, and she she was going to go see it too. Was We're going to talk about it, she said. As an adaptation, it was pretty fair until you get to the ending and to be honest, I couldn't tell you what happened to the end. was supposed to do. I just like it was. I went and cotton caught a matinee. I was like one of like three people in the theater. The other one of the other ladies that was in the theater, she and I set through the credits and she's like, what the Hell is that? It's me, like I was like, I was like there with you up until the and it got really manic and frantic and things are crazy and then abruptly just kind of stopped and we're just like, we don't know what happens. This is stupid. So the turning don't recommend it, which is unfortunate because the acting in the film was actually pretty good, just, you know, the the editing choices in the end and it being stupid. The next one is a movie that's actually out in theaters right now, so I'm saving you all ten bucks. You're welcome. Don't go see the empty man. HMM, the anti man. See the fool man. Yeah, that's better. And I kept wanting to call a woman, woman, woman Ashley, sounds like any thanksgiving. No, that sounds like that sounds like one of the stores that sells like plus sighs stuff. That woman, and like the large gentleman that's place through. It's like, yeah, I'm six foot seven and I have wide shoulders and so I literally can only shop at specialty stores right, the whole woman, the whole woman. So the empty man. I like horror movies. I'll I'll watch just about anything, and so I I am an AMC, a list member. So I'm like, well, I've got three movies I can go see. There's not a lot in the theater right now, but this one's the premise sounds kind of interesting. It's what give me the premise. So the premise it this is kind of like an urban legend type type films like slender man's. Yes, it actually it felt a lot like some slender man, which I mean slender man wasn't great, but I think it was better than the empty hand, just to be perfectly honest. And so when I'm looking at this, like the only names I recognize on this cast lister Steven Root, who's in a bunch of likes genre work, and Joel Courtney. He was the lead kid in Super Eight, which was awesome. Fun Fact. Bev Barrell used to babysit him when he was little. The more you know. Anyway, that's our pastor's wife, for and Bev, yeah, for for context. But anyway, so the premise of the empty man. It here's the here's the summary on imbb. On the trail of a missing girl and x cop comes across a supertive group attempting to summon a terrifying supernatural entity. HMM, so this is basically kind of an urban legend type story where these these high school kids they want to summon the empty man, kind of in a similar way that you would summon in this Lens, the slender man, the but the the people who are trying to summon the empty man are part of a cult. I called the ending like the movie still had like maybe forty five minutes left. Is like, okay, I think I know how this is gone in and by the time you get there, basically this x cop, you find out that he actually was brought into being by these cult members and he is the new vessel. He's the empty man. So and some of the imagery in the film was was interesting, but I'm just like, man, you could have cut like the the first like thirty, forty five minutes of the movie was supposed to kind of set up the idea of the empty man, but it like the the characters that initially set up the the story have nothing to do with anyone else in the movie. There's no connection, there's nothing, and so I'm like, if you've maybe cut that part, which I mean I thought actually was interesting, but like it ultimately didn't really have any bearing on the rest of them. If you have cut that part, this could have been a shorter movie and it would have been much, much better, but it's still it's just it was just so mediocre and predictable. That was like me, at least. With the slender man you had like a visual que for a Col chack, the night stalker, which made me very, very happy as a John or TV fan or Retrogendre TV than but other than that, like it's just like me. If you want to watch like some goody Trophy Urban Legend type horror movie, Go watch the slinger man and you'll at least laugh at it. Indieman was just kind of sad and long and boring. So I've got two more movies. One I'm going to mention briefly because I actually don't dislike it. Actual think it's kind of Hilarious, but I know people who are like that was a stupid ending money python on the holy crown. Yes, I was really confused the first time I watched I was like, now I love it because the first time you're like okay with that. They just got arrested and and that's the end of you like what it was because they ran out of money and they're like crap, they had planned to have a whole ending where they were actually like assault in the castle. They had planned it out and they ran our money...

...and they're like what do we do? Let's just have a get arrested really. So knowing that, I kind of love it. And they're just like, oh what, and they just do it their hands, like we're done, it's moves over, we can't weave, just ate out. You can't do anything one yeah, and the rest of the movie, I it is so abrupt. The first time you see you're like did im it? Did didn't miss something. But I actually find it funny. But I know people who are like such a done ending. But my least favorite James Bond movie not my least favorite James Bond, although he's the worst James. He's arguably the worst James because the only one whoever did one, George was mb on Her Majesty's Secret Service. That's a little Diana Rig yes, and it's terrible. Because in the movie in a first of all, like the actual plot is dumb and the there's this weird ski jump. This is weird ski chase, and this really bothered me when I was one, I was younger watching this. They go on this ski chase right and they're gotting through the ski slopes. The guys are chasing him and there's like a snow pile plowing one of the sides and one of the bad guys like basically gets woodchoppers style thrown into it and it like paints this the snow red with blood. Except it's orange. It's like clearly orange paint and you're like you do you know what colored blood is like? It's not even it's not even close. Like I was so confused. It just cuts. The color was faded from the original film, but I don't know. But it ends with James Bond getting married and they're driving along and he pulls over. He gets a flat so he pulls over the side of the road. That change is flat and as he's like on this mountain road and he's on the mountain side like behind the car changing the tire and a car drives by and shoots up his car and he shoots back at them and they drive off and he's like, well, that was close and he looks and his wife got shot the head and that's the end of the movie. And I'm like, Yep, that was so dumb. You spent the whole time of him like not being a womanizer and setting this up. And I understand. I had an argument with someone. It's almost like it was the best one because they changed the status foe and I was like, but they wasted my time, like you can't, you can't go and develop. You can't spend a movie trying to develop James Bond's character by having him actually like develop a relationship with Dan raid was probably the best part of the movie, right. was there a relationship developing and him being like, Oh, I can stop being ladies man and just actually you know, and you know, want to step my down. Yes, settle down a little bit, and then they're like no, when hey days bond back pew, like, don't waste my time movie. The plot in the movie wasn't actually that good. So, like it wasn't as really it wasn't ridiculous enough for me to enjoy the movie as a James Bond movie and it wasn't like now. I'll mean. I think my least favorite James Bond is roger more because most of his movies are like not Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, even though I loved Timitthy Dalton, because most of his bond moves like revenge flicks and I don't like those whom like this isn't a spy movie, right. This isn't a goofy spy we I want a goofy spy movie. That's why I like James Bond, which is one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of day on Craig. It's like I'm getting my action spy stuff other what elsewhere, but I'm not getting my goofy spy stuff. My cheesy can't be spy stuff anymore. So that's what I want on my James Bond. So I'm not getting that. I can't really fault them because I think they're fine. They're fine movies, but like, it's not James Bond. So I'm really hoping with the new James Bond with the female, the Black Female James Bond, that she is going to bring back the can't be ridiculous. I want to see that I want her to be hitting on all the dudes, to let have like guy swooning at her feet and she has some. I want her to just be like Super Suave. I want her to wake up in bed with a dead paint gold painted Chris Hendsworth next to her and be like damn and just move on with her dad, like that's what I want out of my James Bond. I said that to happen. A movie that's really absurd and not super great, but actually I think does that kind of thing really well is Lucy with scarlet Johanson. So with that one, and what I thought was hilarious about it, because the premise is dumb, but like his, his is a person ever brains is that? I remember that. But but what I thought was hilarious about that movie was that she does all the things that James Bond does and and and basically like makes out with this dude and then like he gets tossed aside or killed in some absurd way, and I'm just like she is taking every single stupid actions spy movie, true, and just ginger flipping it and and I was like, you know what, this movie is dumb, but I really like that about it because I have said for a long time, if James Bond were a woman, you would call him a whore. Yeah, and and and we put you. But because he's a dude, you think he's a Badass. And so I'm like, if this would be a whore and a Badass, totally man more what like I'm even sing words he's doing. I would say James Bonds a slide like it is, but but it's say, I mean it was. It was a very clear, like ginger bias, like Oh yeah, I feel like yeah, and so I'm like have this, have this apply the same standard. Yeah, have you ever seen? I think you would love this. I was telling great about this. It was either it was like it was a pretty major like college humor or Funnier die or...

...something, and they did like gender swap bar scenes where we're girls were coming in and being like yeah, totally thangous dude last night, Bro and and the guy walks by and she like slaps his ass and he goes and slaps her in the face. It's and it's like that's so absurd. You like yes, this is this is highlighting how horrible this is, and it's like it's so good I love itself is not like this is actually very terrifactly. It's so, so fun. I'll find it where you after this and show you. But Yeah, on Her Majesty, Secret Service. Hate it, hate it, hate it, hate, it just bad, terrible bad. I wouldn't say I don't think it's the worst names bond movie ever, because there are some stinkers, but it's way down there, I think. I don't. It's either of you. Took kill or a license to kill and you can see him. I get those mixed up. My license to killers, the James a view to a kills Duran Durrand Song. Yeah, that's right, they're both of them. Both of them are James Wondan. No, excuse me, for one is Roger Moore. Wanted to the all night. I think it's a Timothy Dalton. Want a license to kill. Basically what. His friend dies and so he goes on a revenge thing and they like microwave a guy in his face pops and it's gross and then it's it's just bad and it's just a bad movie. I do it and kick ass. Yeah, yes, kick ass. H Nicolas Cage was so good and kick I liked the first kick. I said that was I like. The first also based on a comic book. Well, and that's also zex Nice. Second one was terrible. The first one was. Yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed the first one, but really I just enjoyed it because of Nicolas Cage. I thought he was he and hit girl were so good in that movie. Is as kicked and read Miss. Yes, I do like that idea, that like he's not a superpower, he just can't feel pain. Yeah, which is interesting. I intously thoughts that. But yeah, but him and him and his daughter were so good in that movie. Yeah, I do take a little issue with, you know, the idea of young child being really sweary and violent. Yeah, it is, like I'm terrible at times. People like, Oh, it's hilarious when a kids to swear. was like yeah, but then the you have a kids, you're teaching the kid to say swear words. Yeah, but yeah, but so, yeah, on amatic secret service garbage. If you do want you say you just want your silly spy movie, I would, I think you would enjoy the spy who dumped me. If you haven't already seen it, that's Kate Mckinnon and me. Lacunist seen the man who knew too little. That isn't the greatest movie to all time. I have not seen we're gonna have to watch that. It's Bill Murray, right, and it's like one of the best. It is Adioque foid one. It's one of the most fantastic spy spoof movies I've ever seen in my entire life. Hilarious from start to finish. Yeah, like, I can quote, like I me and my buddies like that. I grew up with like quote that move more than probably any movie in existence. That's very impressive. That was like your love slow yes, Superman. He's like, Oh, it's God. Did you flush? They go? No, I think she's still the Bat. He went to the Lou by her saying suicide, suicide. Maybe he's haided to fund and you feel to back up. It's it's relliant and and I it's one of those comedies where it gets some comedies after you seen it like a bunch of times, the jokes are just like, heck yeah, that's a good joke. I'm always rolling on the floors with Jesus, sitting with the COP on the car and he's like he's like. Well, he's like. He's like, if your license to kill, he's like. He's like, you're you're something certified license to kill. He's like there's a downside, though. It looks at me as what's that torture? It's like it looks at I'm he's like, well, there's the women, though. He's like, all they're nice after the torture. Brilliant. Definitely, to like make a list of movies we have mentioned on the podcast where one of us that, oh, we haven't seen, oh, we should watch that. Yeah, that the militia man. So too little. Yeah, well, we'll bilest. We also need to do a James wone episode, where a Sean Connor episode and Yeah, yeah, because I have not actually seen that any Shan College. I just watched finding for ster. You need to watch one. Start with that. So I think we need to watch. I think we need to watch like the rock not reads lost our the last crusade, last pay League of extraordinary or say I that's like we need to watch the Star Doc. It's I guys know about ZARDOC. I have heard of ZARDOC, but I have not watched it. He's wearing this. Oh, yeah, I've Seen Leotard, no red, red like speedo with like crossed red suspenders. Yeah, he looks like it's in a wrestling porn movie. Yeah, it's all, Larry. Yes, yeah, so I. Yeah, when he passed, one of my friends posted, like everybody remembers you for all of these other movies, but you will always be Zar doc. Yeah, yeah, like what fresh that was that? Yeah, so, but, but I only think some of his James Bond movies are are some of my favorite. Old Finger. Honestly, you only live twice is such a good movie. I think it's one of it's a really good spy me like as a good James Bond movie, and it's a really good spy movie. So that one, you only have twice, is really good. From Russia with love...

...is really good, like Dr No, is solid and it's the first one. So it's like it's not as it doesn't get it's not as absurd as some of the other ones are. But then it gets more absurd. You've got the little guy with the hat, you got oddball, you got jaws, like for you guyses. Of course. I think we can all agree that the most absurd name for James Bond Film and you guess it. You know it. Guess Octopusy, like really, Dan, the s were wild and unfettered time, and it's not like that's not just like the name of the thing, and it's not like, oh, that's like the main villa exect operation octopus, like no, the name of the villains, like she named herself octopussy. Like yeah, why, I see that. That's one of the ones. I've not seen. It's okay, it's as it's as silly as you think it would be. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like it. That's it sounds like the James Bond a client of Barbarrella. Yeah, pretty much much push they have yelled. Seen barbarilla. Don't recommend it. I just remember when when cartoon network was coming out with Stripperrella. That's different. Yeah, I know it is. I thought it was like sposed to be like a joke. It's also yeah, maybe, I don't know, but but yeah, barbarrella. That's so. That's another very strange movie. But also where the the Banduranda ran got their name. Wasn't the barbarilla whole. I think the Barberella of civill. All right, great, your chain. If you think it's ever you got. You got any more ash? I have the big one. Okay. If you got anything else, honestly, you might want to say it now. So so, okay. So here's the thing. Like for TV shows, most of the TV shows that I watched a complete SHD have at least adequate endings, because most of the ones that end up having terrible endings I usually get. Usually it's like a downhill slide and I've usually stopped watching that. I hear about the ending of like Oh, I'm glad I like Dexter. I'm like, Oh what glad I watched stopping that Shit. Stop watching that show after the trinity killer season, which was the best. So I'm struggling to come up with other television shows that I thought had had, you know, wretched endings, and I know there's some movies I'm trying to think of. I can actually think of some other media that had endings that I thought were were dardage. So Bleach, which was I'm going an anime, was amazing and just really, really good and got to this ending arc end it's just guy who's been the villain the entire time and you know he's the villain, even though nobody else knows. The villain, because he has his special ability is he can basically manipulate people's memories. So he's he's basically decided soul society's corrupts. He's trying to kill the King of Soul Society. or which is that the afterlife? So he's trying to kill the King of Soul Society. Sho has this whole big scheme where he's manipulated people's memories, so you don't know who's on his side who's not on his side, and it's really, really good. And then you have the final showdown between him, him and the main character, each ago, and it's crazy good and it's really intense and it's awesome and it ends and each go loses his powers and goes back to earth and you're like, oh, it's a little bit of a bummer who lost his powers, but man, that was a really awesome ending. And then the guy who wrote it, to too Kube t take Huba, was like looked in his wall and was like, oh shoot, I need more money, and so he's like and here's some people who have never been heard before, like from a different faction, and boom, each goes got his power back. Oh, and now he's back at soul society, because these crazy guys called quinchy are like invading heaven. And and this guy who literally, I think, named Self Y'Ahwa, or your walk, but let's be honest, names of Y'Allwa, is like taking over and kills the soul king and and does what Eisen was trying to do for, you know, seven seasons and actually does it. And and then, but here's the worst part. Each ago he breaks each Egos Sword and his unpopular. There like these special swords they have that are like bonded to them and they have special forms based on like thing. Each sword has a special ability that you bond with the sword. And he's gets broken and so he goes to the guy who makes them and he gets new ones and then those get broken. Lucky. They spend this whole arc of him like learning about himself and making these news on Pactau and then he goes and fights and it literally is meaningless. He just like I don't even remember. I've read it and I don't remember how he wins, because he doesn't win by actually using the factor based in the back. Guys like fine, like take my balls go home or something, all like the power of friendship. It's bad. It was a really bad ending for what had been an excellent series and edited and they just like packed on an extra extra arcs, like why would you do that? Yeah, so sound so angry. So so I I have been meaning to watch bleach for a while. But good, yeah, I've heard it's really good, but I'm intimidated by the sheer number of episodes. True, and and you saying all of that now, just like it's still worth watches. is still worth watching the the there's a really okay. So the anime has a really bad filler art called the bounce art. Okay, and so maybe look up. You can actually look up. It'll show you the arts. Skip the bound art. It's it doesn't mean anything and it's really obnoxious because the guy, the head bounce guy, is he in people. They're asking him questions like why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? And it obviously the Japanese. In English he says no COMENDOLA, also no Comento, and like what...

...is this conversation? It's so bad, but I really recommend it. It's got hilarious characters and it's just got some really good combat, really good arts. BACUM window art is probably one of the best arts in all of Honime Manga. Like don't have me, it's so good. Another one that was weird was one called soul eater, yes, which is really good. Yes, say same, same kind of thing there, because I I've heard very good things about it one of my friends. It's really good. Cosplay corona. Yeah, it's really, really good. But the thing is the anime. So the anime culminates that this one big art called Bobby Gaga's castle. They basically go to this Bagus Castles, a huge yeah, it's just huge art. It's done wick. It's just start shooting everyone. Um, it's really weird. It's just like this guy comes out noise, like Bam bit, just look capping people and you're like Oh'sn no, he goes. They go to Bobbyaga's castle and this is like a major arc. And then the anime like they beat the bad guy and ants in the Manga. That's where like major things happen and Crowne as a character who was like kind of a bad guy that kind of out of a bad guy and she has like major things happened to her in that arc. Major things happened to the main characters in that arc and it goes on from there and it culminates in kind of a spoiler, but not really, because they kind of allude to it at the very, very beginning. They basically go fight the final bad guy on the moon. It's awesome, like the very, very very end of the Manga. But the anime just ends right when the MANGAS like turns the burners up to eleven and is like full throttle to the end. So it's really weird to me that they must have gotten canceled, because it just made the scision to kind of just like okay and it's over, where the Manga just keeps going. So I definitely recommend. I do recommen watching the anime because it's really good, but I definitely recommend reading the Manga because it goes about twice as long. Yeah, and it's way, way cool. I'm trying to think about guy. You think about games that had terrible animates and I don't gains and I'm actually thinking about this is going to sound weird, this is there's a board game that Tim Mascaren I played and it was was really it was called like kingdom, Kingdom death okay, or something like that. It was basically like it's really hard game, like a cooperative game, and it's all you know, like you you wake up in this cave and you're like billy trying to build a society in this cave and bad things are happening all the time, and so you like fighting these bosses, trying together not stop to fight harder bosses and clects up it would. It's a really hard game where you're almost guaranteed to die and go insane and things like that. We're like working through it and finally getting to the point where we can actually, like her Libbe, beat some of the harder bosses in the game. And there is kind of a story progression and it culminations you fighting this thing, I think was like the golden fume night or something like that, and this thing is just like super nasty and it we know it's the last boss, and so, just out of curiosity, because it was like we'd fight, fought the second to last boss, me like just out of curiosity because usually when you when you fight a boss, if you lose, a bad thing will happen and if you win, a good thing will happen and to continue the story. That's you're like, I wonder what happened if you lose to the golden fume night, and so we looked at the flavor test in this like yeah, everybody in the village dies, while you lose the game. Like Oh, what happens if you win and it's like you finally defeat the fume night and then it like excuse poison gas there where, and if one dies in the Games of I like what? So you lose if you lose and you lose if you win. Why would I bother fighting this guy that's going to take hours for us to beat and we get nothing out of it? But ending the game, and I looked it up online. I was like why it like and apparently everyone was like yeah, the expansion. They had an expansion pack that had like a different final boss and apparently was written by his wife, and they're like, yeah, he should have just let his wife right. The things much better writing than he is. It actually had like a good ending where it was like if you beat the final boss, you many like transcends and becomes like dragon people, and and they're like like yeah, then the few night boss is just bad, like there's no reason to play it because you get nothing. So so we were like, okay, well, we're done playing this game. Bummer. All right, so you hard Ashley, hit us with it the big ones. All right, guys, did you notice how much taller I just got? Know why? Because I just got on by soapbox ready people and say you really need a Rim shot on there. That's right, that's what I expect. That's what I have to say to David and Dan. All Right, here's what you have to say to David. Now there's old thing on you yelp because I am and it's it's do so game of thrones, so many things. So all disclosure. I'm a book Fan. I've read all the books several times. Brienne of Tarth is my favorite character in all a fiction. So I'm very emotionally invested in not just in her but in the characters of the story. I think they're fascinating characters. I think the casting in the show is damn near perfect. Everything was great until the last season, and that seems to be the general consensus. Like seen seven was ramping up to something great and then season it was just like yeah, well and and there's a few again, things that happened that had nothing to do with anything on...

...camera or one. David and Dan got offered a star wars trilogy and, just to be cleared, David and Dan are DB Weiss and blanking on the guy's name, Thea Wis d see Why. I have an older sister I named Diane Annabe, David Benioff, David Benioff, David Benioff and dbis. They got offered a star wars trilogy. Hbo Offered Them To do several more seasons of game of thrones to flesh out this story end it well, and they said no, we want to you know, they were tired of working on the show. They're like, we want to do something different. And so, which is some ways is totally understand I understand. But if you know, game of thrones came out at the right time, like that was when streaming was starting to get really big. It was before HBO had their own individual streaming service, but you know, it amped up into the the the era of street. It was good quality television, even after they ran out of book source material, production value, I mean the bride. It really ultimately changed how TV was done because the production values were so high really changed the game and amped up that for like other TV shows as well. You get to this last season, and I mean David and Dan clearly thrown in the towel and everything that I've read about them, like on set, is all about how they were very unprofessional and how they made a lot of the women on set feel very uncomfortable. And you have things like Jason Momoa standing up for gold play de Nares. Blame on her name, Emily. Why am I blaking her name anyway? Emily White, Emily Blonde, Emily Smith US really, Danares, Emily Khalisi, it's it's not. Probably it's blunt, isn't it? No, it's not blue. It's not emily want. All I know is you're half filling now. She's fine. There a Millis, you were in bus like you. She had to do all these nude scenes, like in the first, first couple of seasons, and Jason Momoa like come out with the lock of this. Don't to laughing. I don't think that they had had like wait to take the do the take laughing so hard. Well, it will, and he actually did a good job of making her feel yeah, very safe, right, credible, whereas David and Dan are all like being skib which I'm like, that's not okay. And and it would similar things other women who were like extras or had bit parts on the show said, you know, when they were put in compromising situations. So just there's so many things it just makes me angry. Yeah, you just have and and so season eight, my bodies are having a watch party. We show up at their house every week. There's a bunch of us and we're having a good time. Where like winter fell. Okay, so first episode it's like, all right, it's set up, but a man, we've only got six episodes to work with. How much set up do you really need? Let's go, let's move on. Now the seven kingdoms, arguably best episode of the entire series. And now that's episode two. That is episode two. That's where we have the nighting of Brion. Now that was direct that wise the best episode of I'm not. Oh, I mean, besides be honest, the fact that's awesome. Well, it's like one of the only things that made narrative sense with the Vin the last season. But that one was written by Brian Cogman, who was the kind of the series. He wrote the series Bible for the series, for the show. Really Big Martin scholar, knows the stuff and is directed by David Mutter. Those, those two guys are really, really good. Lord of the Rings Fans be very happy. Brian Cogman is your series guy for the Lord of ring series. The Amazon's doing so it's going to be good, just because he really cares about sportion material. Now Seventeen was great. The long night was fun to watch, even if you know, yeah, I'm cool with Aria killing the night king, but you need to explain to me how she's a or a high because one of the biggest problems with the last season was like all of these prophecies that they had built up across the entire series, like who's the sore high, who's WHO's the prince that was promised, or who's the princess that was promised? They they amp them up like, oh, it's John or oh it's danaries or oh it's somebody else, but oh no, we just decided, oh, we're going to have Aria kill the night king, and that's I mean, that's fine, but you need to explain to me how she's a or a high because she's Finnas you punisher. Yeah, kind of know. They you know again, prophecy completely disregarded. You know. So everything that built up to that, all the things with the white walkers, like leaving cryptic symbols in the snow with, you know, all these dismembered people and things like that. If you think about it, you got more character development for Ramsey snow then you did the night king, and the night kings supposed to be the big bat of a whole series. So that's a problem. And also he went down with one stab. Yeah, well, and I mean and yeah, they've established that Valerian steel can can kill these guys, and so he gets stabbed with the cat's paw dagger, which is Hilarium. Right, right, right, but still it's I was okay with it, but you're going to need to explain to me how Oris Zora high and that that bothers me. Then you...

...have episode for the last of the stars, which, I'm sorry, like Yay, Jamie and Brienne get together. No, he's not gonna leave her like literally they wrote. If you look at the script for the end of season seven where Jamie rides away, it literally says Jamie rides away never to return. It literally says that. I'm not joking. You can go look at the script. It's what it says. He's not going to go back to searcy. No, it didn't make any narrative since at all. And like, if you even like look at book source material, like Jamie and search have been strange for like with two and a half books. That's been one of the really interesting to me in the books. That was one of the really interesting years comments. I was like, Oh, I actually kind of like, yeah, I'm a Jamie, Jamie, yeah, it's yeah, I know, I know, I like I'm a now, like I still hate searcy, even though they like before they're like showing they'll do all the surfy chapters. Sar See, you're like a bit bad, but I still like hate her. No much. No, but but Jamie, like they did a really good job showing Jamie and like okay, yeah, he has kind of come to terms with how terrible Sur se is and it's trying to move away from well, and so I what I think is very compelling about Jamie. Jamie is such an interesting character because he is a victim of emotional and sexual abuse, but like the textbook narcissist. If you want to know what a narcissists like Sir Sey, Sir Se lanister's textbook narcissist. Their relationship is so interesting because the more he's away from her, and then there's like this whole there's so many things I could talk about with Jamie. He is such a fascinating character and George does a really good job of building in all of these little things that are subtle background details, things like when they were born. Sir Sy came out first, but Jamie was like grasping. So if it take it peace, yes, is Jacob Esaw thing is so when Jamie and he's grasping her heel with his right hand. And so when Jamie loses his right hand, that severs his tie from Sir s and that begins his character. Yeah, change. So you don't do Jamie that way. Jamie is going to be the best redemption, one of the Best Redemption Arts in all of literature. Whenever George finally then it's just the book. Let us pray or protective circle around this man. Apparently, the only good thing about like quarantine is that it's actually made him sit still and write the damn book. So race is like two thousand spive six. That the LURD was supposed to come out in two thousand and eight. Am Pretty well, let's say dance with dragons came out in two thousand and eleven. So I have, but that was behind skids. Yeah, I know, I know. And I'm like we're coming on the night, coming up on the ten year mark, George, let's go, and he's like, you're do eight books. You are not doing eight books. When you're not, you're going to die. Yeah, straight up, get to die. So so so, yeah, if I ever, like I probably watched the run of game of thrones. I mean probably thirty times. I like a lot of hours. It is a lot of our I work from home and so like I would just put it on in the background and watch it again and again and again, just because I found the character so compelling and there was so much I loved about it. I haven't watched it again. So that's since the last season aired. Like I watched I've watched the last season twice and I told my friends, because this is how I made a lot of online friends, was through the game of thrones fandom, and so I'm talking with my online buddies and I like, you know what, if there was we get two, episode five and James Dead, and I'm so pissed, like I'm so angry I can't even cry because I know this makes no narrative sense whatsoever. And so I told him it's like if there was, if there was more than one episode left, I would just say bots and not watch the rest of it. But there's only one episode left, I might as well see how it ends. And the ending was so stupid and lackluster and boring af like the again. The only thing, one of the only things that make narrative sense about the ending this stance. I've becoming queen in the north. It's like, if you look at it within the show, yeah, maybe, books probably not going to happen. That's like the only thing. Like I wasn't like unhappy with everything else, like breathe. They make me in the box king's guard. So I knocking over the microphone again. I'm sorry. The whole point of Brienne and Jamie's that they are an inverted beauty in the beast art. George has said that explicitly, because what happens when you have a beautiful man and he falls in love with an ugly woman, ugly, beastly woman. And then, but at the same time they both see each other as beastly, because Brianne can't stay in Jamie and she's not swayed by his super handsome face because she thinks he's not honorable. And then as they grow together, there's a certain point where the their character arts run so like they're inverted and parallel, and they're at the point in the books where they have met and if you don't like make those characters walk apart, both of their story arcs collapse and even though, yeah, Brienne lives and makes it to the end, she she's still like like her character art is not what it is supposed to be. I think they are like she is. She's like the one like Pov character from the books, like she has her own chapters where, if you've not read the books, George Rights each chapter from the point of view of one character, so the chapter names are...

John or Jamie or Brienna whatever. She's the only pov character in the books that got routinely ignored in the show. Again, I think there's there's a lot of reasons for that, but I think one of the main ones is nobody knows what to do with a woman who has power in her own right and bucks stereotype. Also, you have like this idea that I don't know, like for me, one of the reasons I love Brienne is because I identify with her character, because I've I've felt like the the ugly girl that nobody pays attention to or nobody cares about because she's not good at girls stuff or or or she's ostracized for these things. But yet she has this deeply romantic heart and she she loves deeply and nobody knows what to do with that because ugly girls can't have a happy ending. Why would you do that? So anyway, this so many things that were just wrong and you know, I harp on like the whole Brian and Jamie Ark because that's the most important to me, but there's so many other things, like the prophecies don't matter. The whole point of the starts being reunited for them to, you know, suddenly not be together anymore. That doesn't matter. There's no point for the watch to even exist because they're the free folk are you know, they've made peace with the free folk. But no, they're going to go back beyond the wall, because that's a good idea, right. It means there's nothing there anymore. They killed them, they killed the night king. Yes, there's nothing there, like and and so, like the whole point of like the night's watch even existing at the end of the TV shows had to a convenient place to put John. So he's not dead. I was like, well, this is stupid. So, anyway, I have never sworn so much in public as I did when we were watching the finale of game and Throne Season Eight, where I literally yelled in my friends living room foughts this noise and felt like throwing things at their TV. But yes, and all of us, like, had completely different ideas of how the show would end, and none of us got what we wanted. Anyway, Greg I know you have watched game of fronds and but you've not read the books. Yeah, but you are a film guy. So, yeah, do you have thoughts on the ending? Yeah, no, I definitely do. I, like you said, I definitely am not as emotionally invested and and have not read the books. But from a film and like character perspective, you could, I feel, like you could see the deterioration prior to the last season. But yeah, but definitely within the last see, I think the biggest, biggest point for me that I kept bringing up was was Tyrian lanister, actually, just because I thought he was such an interesting character the whole time. He's a dwarf, obviously, but his main thing that he brings is he's a genius. I mean like, like every like he's constantly solving problems, he's constantly brought in by all these powerful people who are like, okay, this is a dwarf because he can advise them well and he's really a genius. In the last season he's effectively useless as a character because he loses that and that's that's literally all he has. Like he's not like he is a dwarf. He like he can't really fight, like he's just he's kind of like morally, I mean, okay, he's actually one of the better moral characters, to be honest, even though he's kind of all over the place as far as chains, two women and things like that. But he gets better. Yeah, yes, with Jane, yeah, he definitely grows. But then when he loses his like his ability to advise people and to be smart and to give them or when Dennis just doesn't listen to him like that, what he does at the very end where he's like don't do this and she burns the whole yeah, I I just found his character, who's my favorite for the whole entire you know, series, to just be utterly useless. I'm like, every singe he entered, I'm like you're just going to either going to get ignored or give us some bad advice and I don't know why they've done this to you as a character. And if everybody here, as far as like, from an entering into like television standpoint, he's one of the most unique characters, certainly because he's he's put into a world where he's probably even less valued than you know. I what's the proper way to call little people? Mich midget is not the right word. pctly challenge, no little part or small person or a little okay, little person, no small SMOS. He's introducing into a period of time where little person would be even more devalued and he's made to be such an amazing character. That's that's like when you're making film or TV shows like that's a really, really good accomplishment and that can set your show apart from other things to where you can be like wow, I'm watching to see what this guy does next. He's incredible and it's like once once they took that away amongst a shrew of I mean again, this is this is a really big last he went to unpack, but it's slew, not shlew. Are you so? You sure? I'm a hundred percent sure. Slew, slow slew. Yeah, HMM, I've said slewry. Yeah, for a long time. You did it twice. That's the only reason I corrected. Okay, the first time I thought I you just said shlew whenever. But yeah, I think if I just had to pick one, his his character like assassination, if you will, really and then his like moment at the end, which is supposed to be wisdom, where he's like no, we should could brand the broken.

I was like, screw that, it doesn't look all right. Talk about useless, like he's literally not in the show, like for he he's not even brand anymore. He's not he's the he's he's the memory of yeah, the three fingered crow, prosy. Yeah, just just a try to contain like the disaster that was that last season into maybe a couple of points. It would. Yeah, it would be mainly be Ting manister's character arc for me. Yeah, no, and no, I agree. I again the thing we haven't gotten to yet in the book because we don't know exactly what brand can do because he's just now. He's just got to the point where he's getting trained right, right, and so so the fact that they like made him like emotionless Robo brain so bad, basically like professor x without any emotions. Magic. Yeah, yeah, like. I mean there's so many fantastic memes on tumbler about Robo brand, like Oh, hello, sister and robot now be whoopop. Yeah, like that again. Who like? We did a my friend group that we watch. We had our watch parties together. We did a fantasy draft game with roans and my friend Haley put brand on the iron throne just as a joke and beat us all. You got points of the end, because nobody thought that would happen. Mean to win, Baby. She's not like, well, that suck, but I read. But yeah, no, I agree. Like again. No, no character on there got what they deserved, because they all deserved to die. They're all dost of the hood, and I think that that the interesting thing about game of thrones, as you put people like just great people, because I think everybody is gray. You put people in these impossible situations and tell them to choose and and no choice they make is going to be without consequence, and I think that, I think that's what makes the shows, the or that story so fascinating, because even like the most honorable, upright characters still are thrust into situations where they have great choices. Like, yeah, like Ned Stark obviously keeps this big secret from even his wife, like and and suffers immensely for it, like gets her ire for Johnsonow, who's not even his kid. HMM. So, yeah, it's it's rough. Yeah, and then, you know, in the book you have Brienne. She's one of the things they omitted from the TV show, which I George and other people have said, man, I wish they hadn't left out ladystone heart, because that that that's Briann's aries moment where she's forced to make the same choice that Jamie did when he chose to kill aries, and she's like, I either have to kill Jamie, who's who's not the man who was. He's a nobleman now and he has honor because she understands why he made that choice. She said, either have to do that or I'm going to die, and she's willing to die until they threatened to kill pod and he's gonna singe. Yeah. So, anyway, if we ever get book six, that better be the first thing. That been hanging on for years, George, come on. But Anyway, yeah, game of thrones. Yeah, I deserve so much batter. I know there are other endings that have been like really divisive, but I can't think of any right now to my head. I tried, I thought for a long time about about ones, but yeah, but so I think this is generally the feeling. Yeah, that was he rude. S that sums it up. Sums it up really, Yep. So, yeah, so let us know what other things you thought had terrible endings. Again, I'm practing my brain trying to think of shows I've watched or or movies I've watched by just hated the ending. Well, I think I covery thing. We were most of them, because again, usually, if a usually when it has a bad ending, you're like well, the rest of the movie was also garbage. So I try to mention a few of those two to kind of get him out of the way. But yeah, so, yeah, so let us know what you think. Had a terrible ending and ending that made you, you know, just rage. Now you just like that was the stupidest thing I've a scene and I will throw something through a window perfectly somebody profitably the person who wrote that. So you can reach US Daly debated at gmailcom or send us a tweet at dearly debated Ashley. Where can people find you? A few different places. You can go to my blog, nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom. You can follow me on facebook at Facebookcom the nerdy blogger. You can follow me on twitter at the nerdy blogger, and you can read my work in two places, one on pop culture, Retro Ramacom, where I write about slightly old...

...things. You can also read my work on Fang grow wishcom. I've got a few different things going on right there. My regular weekly column Hashtag way back Wednesday. We're talk about one retro movie a week and right now I am covering star Trek to school discovery and the Mandalorian. So been. Both have been excellent. Both have been making, which I watch the watch and I have to watch this week's discovery as well. But yeah, yeah, so that's a that's where you can. You can find me. I can be found on facebook at chapter one films. You can email me, Gregg, at chapter one films Dot Bizz. You can also check on my website chapter one films Dot Biz. Or, if you're feeling kind of adventurous, mean Ifan Yell The pooking show, which is the the kitchen chemist on youtube, you can email us a couple different places. But also just getting contact with me, Nathaniel will point in right direction. Yeah, and you can find me at holy goalm or. You say, Oh, I was going to say you can also so join argue debated facebook group. Yes, we have a facebook group group dearly debated. Come debate us there, but when you lose you will say we got all right, everybody, until next time. Goodbye. You didn't say how you can find us. I said I'm at holy goal at I'm sorry, okay, bye, bye. They this is a bad ending too. Sorry, it's good, it's good. I must strange yo out of time ships. They see why that girl is.

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