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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 18 · 1 year ago

HORROR 2.0

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Halloween came late last year (or early this year), thanks Rona! Ashley, Nathanael, and Special Guest Sarah "Hank" Henry discuss 5 horror films! Ashley came for you, Sarah will bounce back in no time, and Nathanael blames this whole thing on you!

Your story is not scary because the characters are making choices the audience would make. Plus, you need a smarter lead here. Like this. It's a dark, cold night in the woods. We stablish a traditional log cabin. Then cut too here we are a log cabin. I rent it. We could be intimate and safety, because it's not fifty so we don't have to park a car and neck at inspiration point. That makes sense. I'm turned on by how logical you are. I'm comforted by your shiny hair and facial symmetry. We should listen to the news on this radio. I brought it as a cautionary measure because this cabin is within walking distance of the local INSANTASILAND. Is that why you're able to rent this at such a reasonable rate? Yes, I hope you're as fertile as I am tonight. More HMM, hmmmmmmm. Hey, bed, why are you doing the whole song? You wouldn't in the radio one at the exact moment of the most pertinent news broadcast. It's too coincidental. But I'll jump forward in time. This is where the fun of the gains. Hello, welcome to doly debated, the show where you're entitled to opinion, even if it's wrong. Today, my name is Nathaniel Billy Levinson. With me. What sound good with me? With me are Sarah. I'm sorry, sorry, you to your stuff. With me are Sarah Candy Man. Okay, also known as hanks and Ashley. We've had a doozy of a day, AMIS. So, this being October, a week away from Halloween, we figured we'd watch some more horror movies. Who so we watched five movies. That was supposed to be six, but I forgot to watch the Levich whoopsie. That's not bad, which I have. It's spell it with TV's, though, so I will go back. I will to watch that. I'm totally down to go watch that. It's a great movie. Yeah, I just I got so hold on this. This sound effect. Is this chickens? I actually no idea what this is. Well, Oh, okay, also from Candy Man. I thought. I tried to get the sweets for the sweet but apparently that wasn't in the original. I also didn't have quite as much time as I wanted you to pull these sound effects, but I got a couple good ones. The life makes a fine pots of team Daddy. People so we watched five movies and we're just going to talk about them and we figured we go chronologically. We didn't really have much of a rhymer reason for which ones we picked and picked good horror movies. I was except one. What it says. WHO SUGGESTED LEPRICON? I did. I definitely did. I did not go to say, you know, it's us, it's but do you have regret? Oh, lever cons interesting so well, I think we're no starting with candy man, because that was ninety two. Were just gonna go. We're just gonna go and I have little notes. So here's my here's my first note about candy man. Intro music is a Banger. Yeah, full of glass or though. The score immaculate. was really good. I was. I was digging it. It's so like aunting and beautiful and late it's so beautiful and yet so yeah, of all the movies, I think candy man had the most consistent tone, even though I don't think it had the I think us okay, so why don't we? I pause and say we watched candy man, Leprecon, Puckerndale, wish is evil, Hollowe twousand and eighteen and us, and I really liked US and candy man. Lecom was a terrible movie. Don't watch it, or watch it once, which I wants to say you did. There was there a couple. There are a couple interesting moments and all of them, well, it's like it's leaptco on one, two, three, four, in space, then in the hood and then back to this and then they remouted it others. Yeah, there's like a gritty reboot and then a not gritty reboot and it said like back. I think it's on like the most reason one where it's like leper con returns. Yeah, literally, the captured at the top says back to Sham Rock. You're hear ha ha ha, wow, it really did it the but yeah,...

...candy man. So Canon One thousand nine hundred and ninety two, Tony Todd and other people, Vanessa Madson, whom you might know from David Lynch's doom. She was in some star trek to and she was also in something else I watched recently that I'm blanking on what it is. Yeah, but that the intro was. Yeah, so candy man, even though I think us was like a better movie. M there were some things in us that I was like this kind of is messing with the tone that they're going for a little bit, which all one. When we talk about us all, I'll talk about that. But Candy men, I thought had a really consistent tone all the way through. I actually really, really enjoyed I hear the sequels are not as good. Would you think about candy man? I really liked it. I also sound as a big thing for me when I watch horror movies. Something that's really weird just about me and general is the fact that, like, if I'm watching a horror movie, I can see whatever is going on, but I don't want to hear it. Like hearing it is what will freak me out. So Watch the desert Texas jeanstow massacre in a theater. I honestly don't really like watching horror movies in theaters in general because I like the safety of being able to like hide behind the Gosh my blanket or like making the excuse of my God, I have to be like just to remind myself that I do not live him. Whatever storyline is occurring, get it why? But is it all so bad that I was like waiting for a really creepy version of like the Candy Man Song to come on? Oh, like, yeah, I know the Candy Man. Yeah, I'm waiting for that like the entire time. Yeah, it is interesting that that it never goes there. I've been obviously it's not connected at all. Frankly, I'm very glad. Yeah, I'm because I would the tone angry. What were in the tone? But so Candy Man Reef rundown. It's kind of like a bloody Mary Legend based on a book like my Barker right where there's this there was a black man who was in love with someone and end up getting lynched for it, and the way they lynched him was they chopped his hand off and then dart him is an artist, because he was an artist, and they covered him in honey and sick the bees on him. Oh, that's why I mean to get the north. That would have been the appropriate use of not the bees. Yeah, but now they don't actually show this. I think. I think in later and the actually just in the second movie, they actually do a flashback. Yeah, and you get to see ye. So so in this one they just set it up as as just an urban legend that these two women are investigating to write a paper on folk legends and when Vanessa, I can't remember any of the characters names. Vanessa Madsen. Yeah, excuse me, your note, Virgil, that was her friend. Yeah, Helen, Helen. Yeah, so when Helen walks into that yeah, ere, I'm so bad with character names. Virginia Madsen is Helen. Her friend is Bernadette, who's played by Cassie Lemons, and she actually did that new series with Octavia Spencer. She's also the director of Harriet, okay, and she was also in sounds of the whims, which we talked about in our last horror podcast. Also next tent movie. But it's so I have a note here that I have to like retract. Okay, because she walks into that lecture hall like right as it's like lunch time, and I was like she just walked into the lecture right as he ended. I was like all indignant, but it turns out she wasn't actually taking the class. She's the girlfriend or wife of the professor. Yeah, so I had to reject that statement. But she ends up investigating this thing where you say Candy Man's named five times in the mirror. Things happened and it is not now. Okay, we're going to spoil every single one of these movies, although lepcom nothing to spoil. But it's not until forty five minutes or fifty minutes in until you actually see Tony Todd as the candy man, because up until that point it's just a an urban legend. They find out from from one of the maintenance, the facilities staff that who knew someone who heard about the candy man and got killed. Like so there was someone in the walls and they go and investigators in this in the projects. She ends up getting beat up in a in like a bathroom. Yeah, by as they've now turned this like legend of the candy man into like this group goes in and they have like a hook, yeah, that they'll use, and then they just like, yeah, I think in the I yeah, it's just like the hook. Yeah, they's just like beat her up. But but she's been she had these like weird hallucination things with like she opened the toy and they were a bunch of bees and if you're if you have issues with a lot of insects, I don't recommend you watch this movie. But forty five minutes in and it still could just be in our legend right, and then she had said Andy Man in the mirror. Five, yeah, she said that's that's what she and Bernadette were both were both doing it. And then they say it four times, and then they and then they stopped and and that's when this was check in. And then she says...

...at the fifth time, yeah, and then nothing happens. But they also didn't turn out the lights. Everyone else had turned out the lights afterwards. True, and then true, but but it's like after, after this whole thing was gets resolved with like the police arrest the guy, and then she's walking in the parking lot and then Tony Todd just shows up and as like be my victiming. Oh my Gosh's Voice, oh rightly, crap, oh, it's like terrifying, like he has such a fantastic voice and also like but his our presence join me now. What I really love about this is whenever he shows up, she like goes into a trance. Right, yeah, she blacks out. Yeah, they actually hypnotized her. That's what I was gonna brhut up. Yeah, I didn't know that. So, so they won't actually and it was like like two thirds of the way through filming until she was like this is like they would film and she wouldn't remember them filming be like, okay, we can do this anymore. Yeah, that's why it's like, yeah, when it looks like she's zoond because she's actually zonged. Yeah, they found out ways. They like went to a hypnotist and then found out ways that they could hypnotize her on set to make it seem more realistic. Yeah, and that's actually what it was successful. Yeah, and I think that's one of the thing. This and us, I think, have the best tones, because the actors went like above and beyond. Oh, absolutely, in portraying the characters they were supposed to portray. Also, did you know with the bees, like they used real oh yeah, these real I D and that didn't tell telly time. That's thung a lot the mouth. He asked that they get, I think, a thousand dollars for every beasting. Yeah, that happened, and he was stung over like twenty three times. Yeah, it's your money's worth. Tone. Yeah, that's pretty smart. Yeah, yeah, that there's so much I really love about this film. So I got really lucky. The first time I saw this movie was last year at the air's Lee grant down in South Charlotte. So I got to see it in the theater the first time I saw it, and this is a really cool one to see in the theater because the just the scores so immaculate. It's one of my favorite movie scores ever. But also just getting to like hear that terrifying and beautiful voice. Yeah, yeah, I see why you would want to hide under a blanket for that one, Hank Yeah. Well, and just even the things he says. You can have like a freaky voice and it not really be much of anything. But I don't know why, but him saying like be my victim ringed me out. Yeah, I think it's also, I had mentioned this Ashley before, like scary movies where the evil or the bad guy is very confident, HM, in getting their victim, like Freddy Krueger, those like we're just like gonna Riddell, just like like movies where they're not running to chase them, but won't gang. Yeah, like Michael Myers, those Michael my Erie teleports, so he's cheating a little bit. Like those freak me out because there's just as level of like they don't appear frantic either, like, and I'll get to that even within us when we talk about that one more. But like just this confidence of like I don't need to run and chase you, like I know I'll get you. And so just the fact that he's there and he's just like be my victim, like it's like okay, no, know, I'm good. Yeah. And then but and from that, so it's like forty it's a it's an hour and forty minutes, but forty five minutes in, candy man first shows up and then things just go downhill so fast because he starts gas lighting her that she w she blacks out and then she wakes up in a puddle of blood and I thought she killed I thought she had killed the baby at first. Oh, yes, and it turns out she had just killed a dog, right, but the baby is gone. Yeah, but the baby's gone. And so that she gets arrest by the police and you know, all this is happening and hist her husband is clearly having an affair, which is like he doesn't pick up the phone right right, think worst, but they're yeah, there's the the build up of her slowly like sinking into badness of like what is happening, and it's pretty I mean it's pretty uncomfortable that if you think about, you know, the the gender dynamic of this guy. I mean, okay, he's a super nice supernaturally framing her for murder. That's like a little outside of the purview of most people, right, but it's this it's this kind of thing where nobody believes her because all the evidence is stacked against her and nobody else can see her. So she ends up in the Psych Board and then my I think my favorite scene was when the guys doing the Psyche Val and he's sitting at his desk and she's like, I'll prove it to you, I'll bring him here right now, and she looks the mirror and says can't even five times and then like, nothing happens for like three minutes and then the dude just gets shived in the back right the hook and Tony Todd shows up, candy man shows up unleas Shur strange, and then he eats himself backwards out the window. It's such a cool even though you can see, you can clearly see the strings. It's such a cool shot. I...

...love that. I totally missed the strings because I was seven. The shock. I was not paying enough for death. Yeah, all right, but it's such any like they actually did that stun, like Tony Todd did that stunt. That's it's such a cool he's such a bad as it's out of nowhere. He just they're just like staying there and there's all this tension. They just like see you all like what one. I I didn't know how to feel about him like letting her out of the restraints, because part of me wanted people to come in see that, like our therapist was dead, right, see that she was still restrained and that it couldn't have been her, right, and see that like the window was smashed. Right. Granted, that's just not how the movie supposed to go, right, right, but I mean he's hold. His whole thing is he's kind of forcing her into a corner where the only thing he she the only option she has left is to be be his, his victim. Right well, and that that dynamic is so interesting, because she's such like a doppleganger for love. HMM, so you, but you don't really export to too much, right, but she see, I mean when they see it in the murals, right, like the the resemblance is pretty streaking. Yeah, that that was just there's so much I really, really enjoy about the film and I you know, I've only seen the the second film in the trilogy aside from the you know, this first one, but it's it actually adds like an interesting dynamically. He get more backstory to the character. And I mean honestly, even with only just watching this first film, I think the candy man is probably the most sympathetic horror villain. MMM, it's me. It feels like if holes was a horror movie I have ever seen, or red holes. Really, yeah, it's got that similar flashbacky story, but there's it's not heartwarming and uplifting. It's just what if he became what if gusts became a horror villain? I mean Delay Hill, but I call him gusty. Yeah, it was like, yeah, yeah, you should read, we should both read and watch it. There, that's a good book and it's good movie. Right, I should just said she had never so I know it's a good book. It's funny reading the book because right, and he he's actually like a fat kid, Hmm, and then he ends up really skinny because he has to dig holes all day. HMM, and they just straight up cash, I loo. Yet it suff was never fat. Come on them. Actual Cannibal Shyla book watched. The extended version is weight. He isn't dead. Shy, a surprise. Sidetrack, side up, sidetrack. How can you do this? We, we, I would. I would never sidetrack out level for me, rabbit trail and truly debated for Oh, here we go. I think I'bout my kids this one. I came for you. There it is. I knew I pulled some Tony Todd are again and I'm just there where you're freaking out inside my head. Oh it's so good, but yeah, yeah, so the ending of the movie I thought was I it's a little kind of all over the place, but I really loved it. Right, she ends up crawling, quote Unquote, killing candy man, saving the baby, but she gets burned up and dies in the process, and then she becomes a candy man. I thought was really cool. Right, right, I. Yeah, I fully admit to cackling in the theater. Yeah, yeah, just because I'm like, I'm sorry, you are a Dick. When you got that. They're good, cheating son of a gun. You deserve that. Yeah, so at the end, then he's looking, he's in the bathroom. He's like look, he kind of crying about her. Yeah, yeah, he's port up a little better. Nag. Yeah, but he says it five times, I know, in the mirror. And I was sitting there and I was like no, you don't know, Um, you know what about to do. and well, she shows up and I was like Yep, yeah, well, you did. Now. So you guys mentioned the possible White Savior implications of her saving the baby, but honestly, I think the the ending where it's her funeral and there's like nobody there and then the whole community from the project shows up. To me that wasn't like a white savior thing. That was like a people the projects got that. It was the candy man. Yeah, he's the ones at our funerals, because everyone thought she was just deranged murderer. That's happen to die in Amon fire, and the people the projects recognized, oh no, it was the candy man. They're the only ones that actually believe her, yeah, and actually exactize what's happening exactly. So that's that's like posthumous vindication for her story that there were people that believed her. So I didn't. I know, I didn't feel a whole white, white savior complex thing because she wasn't really the hero of the story, right, I mean she was almost. I mean she was a tragic figure as well. Exact. I mean I with with the whole Candy Man Story. It's nothing but a series of tragic right, right, flashes. I just feel bad for Bernadette. I'm just like yeah, over here, like I'm, yeah, the best friend. That's like, girl, I'm here for you. What's going on? And then you just get murdered. Yeah, no,...

...yeah, yeah, and if you, you know, any listeners of dearly debated, if you feel differently, you know, full disclosure, none of us are people of Color. So it would be helpful to hear your thoughts on this as well. You know, are are there things were missing just because we white? Yeah, well, yeah, definitely. I mean I thought it was really good. I mean it had the the racial commentary was much more visual than anything else, right, but they did, I mean they did mention like after she gets beat up and they arrest the guy, they're just walking. Haven't catch a conversation, she says. Helen says, there are two. Know, too brutal murders have occurred and yet please, they, please, did nothing, and then a white woman gets beat up and now they've walked it all down. Right. Yeah, so I think they did have social commentary in there and I thought it was I thought it was good. Yeah, I was surprised and like like, I I was happy me that that part was in there. Right, yeah, I'd forgotten it, but at the same time I don't know that that was the main point of the movie. It might have been, right, I think was kind of an undercurrent that that they because of the how the's, how everything was framed, they ended up doing that, which I enjoyed it. Here we go, let me, let me Defang. Let Me Defang candy men for you so you can sleep here at night. He came for you nowhere. Don't worry, Macho man made savage, going to protect you. Please, let me do all right. So, Katie man, I I thoroughly enjoyed it. And Man, the score is so good and the organs, the soaring organ, just worked so well with all the imagery. I thought it was paste perfectly. Like a lot of these movies, I thought I had some pacing issues, but this one I thought it didn't it. It's like there's really still a build where you like it is candy man reel or not, and then it's like, oh my God, he's real. Okay, so let me just read some of my notes, though. Forty five minutes. Oh Shit, it's on. Why grab the knife, right? So she ends up. She finds like she in the pool of blood red dog and she grabs the butcher knife with blood on it, like okay, yeah, I know you're not thinking, but that's stupid. Okay, it out was first. At first I was like, AH, why are you grabbing that? But then another part was like she hears screaming, she's covered in blood. is she going to need to protect herself that? Yeah, I thought that as well. But as soon as she saw the other person should drop the knife and she didn't, and then, Oh damn, they killed a dog. Can't even gas lighting, though. Oh the news reporter. I don't know you guys noticed this, but when they when like right after they she gets arrested, there's a news reporter talking about the incidents and this person misread their scripts so bad. It was so bad. Sorry, do you think just grab like a random smuck off the street? Say Hey, read this, it will so is so out of place. Are Able. It was so it was so yeah, it was so random that think she comes on, is like, and this evens like happen. It souks like and she stutters and repeats lines and then I'm like, what is happening? So that he be reporter is played by someone named Mika or MICA. Am I ka Mica, that was not your best effort. Yeah, then I have referring to her his husband. He howed her, and then Tony Todd Hot, damn the window, God, Damn, great ending. That was was my stream of consciousness watching that movie. That I that window scene is just so good. Yeah, that was the so, so many things I really enjoy about that film. Yeah, I got to introduce Ryan to candy man maybe a month and a half ago and he's like, the movie was amazing. Tony Todd is terrifying. Yeah, he's awesome. And I tweeted that and I tagged Tony Todd and he replied enjoy. Yeah, he's like super active. Listen, you're dad pulled back the cur for a on second and I don't think you understood. I doubt I saw you. I saw you covering your face. Yeah, Tony Todd is super active on twitter. So if you seem like a really cool guy to if you if you tweet, Hey, dude, I just watch candy man for the first time, he will say cool beans. Okay, so I'm definitely. I'm definitely yeah, whenever I added this episode, even though I got three other episodes, what happened at so Cayman Excellent. Definitely Watch it, which brings us to the worst one. Well, just real quick before we shift away, for we should wait. Yeah, final thoughts of Kennyman. So there is going to be a candy man film. Is supposed to be. It was supposed to be released this year and they not pushed back. Isn't Jordan Peele doing that? Jordan Peel, I believe, is producing it, but it's directed by Nia da Costa, Nia to costas also wouldn't be directing Captain Marvel too, and I'm so excited about that. But but you know, we'll talk about this more when we come to Halloween two thousand and eighteen. But this candy man kind of Ignores Candy Man to and candy man three and is more of a spiritual sequel to the original film. And so the lead character in that is Anthony, the little baby that Virginia Madsen pulled out of yeah, okay, Sonny todds gonna be in it. Yes, Tony Todd is...

...reprising his role as the candy man. Cool, cool, and then, oh, the lead, that the guy who's playing the lead in that. Hang on, he was in something else I watched recently and he's really good. So I apologize because I'm probably going to butcher this name. Yeah, yeah, Duel Matine, the second yeah, yeah, he he was Manta in Aquaman and he was cal a bar in watchman and he I don't know if you'll have watched the new watchman series, but he was freaking amazing that. So I'm really excited to watch him be Anthony in this film. Sweet, I'm a sound clip here that says bounce back and I don't know. This is Alo. I'm gonna Click it. Okay, bounce back, now it's I. It's like forgotten. Yeah. So, anyway, I'm really, really hype to watch a candy man film directed by a black woman, Jordan Poh so. So, Jordan Peele wrote the screenplay along with Nia da Costa. When Rosenfeld and yeah, and so I was curious if this was going if this was based on another Clive Barker book, but it looks like it's actually just based on the film. Sorry, thank my microphone, but yeah, anyway, this is going to be really good and it's expected August. Twenty seven, two thousand and twenty one. So Nice. All right. Yeah, I don't know, I feel like I'm starting to get into horror movies. Thanks, Ashley. You're well. Now I gotta go watch these things. You're welcome. Really. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed canny man. I really really enjoyed us. A good story is a good story. Yeah, holling twenty teen, I thought was good. I don't know if I'd go back and Rewatch it. I would re watch with canny man and US. Okay, Um, cool, okay, okay, man done. So let procton's gold chargerarch a green boat. Oh my gosh. So we were talking before we started recording and I recently just watched all of friends for the first time over the summer. So I've wouldn't that's back now time I went back and watched some of like the the actors earlier catalog, specifically Courtney Cox because I'm Monica Geller, if we're being real honesty. But this is the first thing I've ever seen Jennifer Aniston and besides friends and yeah, because I don't think I've ever seen anything else she's been in. But this was a year before friends. I was like man, girls got to eat, because this movie was traction. Yeah, yeah, so she was like one of the only reasons like kept watching. Well, and I really like war with Davis because I thought were wed Davis was the only good part of them. Yeah, I say were we Davis is awesome. Also, the guy who played Nathan played the Card Sun in season seven next Gen. I was like, this guy's familiar. What do I know? WHOSE FACES? That's why it was the next year watch anyway. So, yeah, so the lebricon, see that the buckles, I'd be shoes. Why? I'm a LEPRICON, so lricon ninety three, Warwick Davis being the literal Lepricaon. He's got a pot of goal with apparently a hundred coins in it. It opens with some drunk Irish from drunk all Irish Guy Eil Grady, pulls up in a limo and as like look, Wifie I got. I got gold for days because I caught a LEPERCA. LEPCON shows up. was like no, Sir Hills the well, okay, he doesn't actually kill the wife. A wife just like freaks out and trips down the stairs. So he technically did not kill her. I mean it was his fault, but he didn't. It wasn't. It was manslaughter and not first agree. He wouldn't have killed it. Oh No, he would. The intentist, although he doesn't see, will say right, he didn't kill o grady. No, he didn't kill Ouzy Auzi, because it's like, I don't know where your gold is. He's like whatever, it is your but oh grady, oh grady, like puts him in a box. He shoots him with a shotgun or hits with Hammer, something knocks him out. But it's been a box. But a four leaflover on the box, because apparently that's all it takes to stop leprican is one single for leaflover. Yep, yeah, true. And then he has a stroke. And so it's like ten years later in Jennifer Aniston and her dad, who's again don't remember any character names. They show up to this cabin. Jennifer anison. I just have no rude af Jennifer Aniston is just like playing the braddiest Brat. I was like, man, she's Rachel in this. Too Bad that at the very beginning I either wasn't paying attention enough or like I was very unsure whether or not it was her dad or like an older boy. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's her dad. I I figured that out then as I kept watching. But that's why. Then when that other uncle cock, yes, is there and is like painting and I was like, would you really just like hery with him out right? Yeah, hello, MR toxic, Max Masculinity high. So okay. So this is where my mind went because again, this movie was like the pacing in this move was terrible. We compared to canny man, we can't even his basic was like slow, methodical, and stuff happened right when you were started to calm down, like procom was like nothing is happening, and then something I have and then nothing happens. Something,...

...and then it was not well paced. But right when they get to the cabin, they walk in and there's just massive spider. Oh my gosh, I know, and I was like that's a tarantula, and so then I looked up. I just wrote down arch Rantula is indigenous to North Dakota because I mentioned they're not Koda, and so I looked it off. The answer is no, that spider had no business being there. I looked up what spiders are and they're all like this big. They're all like none of them get a nice long appreciate your commitment to science. I even bother me. I was like, wait about TRANTELA's? Don't twin Tu that tranchlas like warm areas, like showing Rola, and we know they're also edible in Cambodia. Yeah, there do I know? I've watched a video of a Guy Cram one. No, thank you, I need one, but like, I'm terrified. Oh, I know. So let's be refilled. The story is the spider like came on the screen. I was lucky done at that, butterly on my laptop and I tilted it up, but I was watching. But I don't like is the eight legend Bug spiders impossible? They want me to tect that? Now that was the scariest part of the movie for me. M Yeah, I mean this was supposed to be a horror comedy, because it's yeah, it's not. It's zero. I also have that zero percent horrific. Also I have yikes characterization and pacing so slow foot fetish. That was weird. Yeah, I mean it didn't even make sense, like I don't even think that's like within Leprecon Lore. That like Lebri concert they make about like making Jay losing. Yeah, I think whoever wrote it got it confuse with the tail about the tailor. They gets held by the fairies, the goat, the collar and his elves, yet to confuse the cross. It's like it's so kind of Irish and I was like I had don't remember. I don't remember set patrick saying anything about this. Say I'm saying I think it was like I'm just not not going to mention that. I play a character in DD with an offensive Irish accent. Well, so when the scene where the LEPRECON opens, he's looking for his naty snacks neck or looking for his goal or whatever, but he pulls out the box of Lucky clovers. I was like, yeah, they went there dadding me bowling was absurd. What did the little boy say at the end? I forget. He said Fuck. I was like, I'm using that phrase as I most likely. I'm shocked. That's not on the sound board. I couldn't. I didn't have time. I would your lucky charms. I wanted to finish watching I wanted to finish watching us. No, it's fine, it's fine. I yeah, I did not have time. So I don't know what rating this podcast is, because I just said he well, you need to push stop swearing. He has spared sounds. I guess for us you're just getting normal weeks. Ye have to be on. You have to be on more than once. It's like like after you got to be here more than once. You're on. Swear sounds. I'd come back if it was anything. Why? I just love Jackie Simmons. I need more Jaki Simmons on the sound board. was talking about we were talking about the lucky time. Yeah, so the best part of the movie was when he killed the guy with the pogo sticks. I just like so silly, Gosh and Oh my God, and then and then he said some sort of stupid like jumping pun afterwards. o Bounce back no time. Yes, it's like, oh my gosh, they really went. Why? He's like looks around and then grabs you got focus slowly. I got just like don't just gonna leave them like injured on the ground, and then he gets a freaking pogo stick and I was like what why? And also the dudes face is all bloody right, but lovercon only jumped on his chest for no reason, like did his hands going on his face? No, I assumed it was backsplash. It was. It's so it's that that is like the worst best moment of the movies. It's like, this is so stupid. But what other movie you're going to see a guy killed by a pogo stick, like death by Pogo. Come on now, HMM bouts back now. I'm so bad. And honestly, that movie just dragged. Yeah, I'm like I I was watching it while trying to get ready this afternoon and I was like, seriously, this is is like, are we done yet? Also, Greg would have wept because the audio mixing is for shoot, it's so bad. I watched it on my phone, no headphone. So I yeah, so, so the leps were we're Davis is voice is not at the same level as everyone else's,...

...and then there's like nine times with a little kid is named Andy or something that something like that. The little kid who looks like a chucky doll, like a live action Chucky, but I noticed that that it was like they dressed him an awful lot like my buddy. Alex is the name of the kid. It's a manager Green Boat. Him and Azzi were okay, although Azzi, being mentally deficient, was a little weird. Ozzie apparently comes back in the two thousand and eighteen one lepricn returns Manh Yeah, back and we're pretty sure so it's killed with a mailbox in that one I've seen. I've always thought the cook out the Lepricron is one where it gets better, not that it ever gets great, but it gets better because they just like, okay, we're just going to make as silly a movie as possible right, like he goes to space and then he goes to the hood and yeah, yeah, yeah, and they has his own wrap. Yeah, it's it gets it gets up, which I think we should go watch it. It gets roll back. Okay, legitimately, I would be interested in maybe watching them. Maybe is like a group. I woke up and put some out on this and that was an interesting thing to watch too. Was that the first thing degree I watched? Ya, so yesterday I watched Ye, yesterday I watch Halloween and Tuckerndale, and today I watched lebricon first in the morning, then candy man than us me. So, yeah, that wasn't like wasn't it wasn't a great thing to do first thing in the morning. I just I just wasted an hour and a half. Weird I just like woke up, grabbed my laptop and was like all right, time to watch LEPRICON and I was like it's too early for they think about it this way. Your date only got better. I went work better. That's so that movie was not good. Yeah, boy, the acting. The acting was atrocious. I think Oraor Davis was trying, although his accent kind of slips. Yeah, yeah, audio mixing is all over the yeah, so when the kid Alex is like scramming around in the Barn muttering to himself, that is not what he is saying. It's completely it's like clearly separately recorded audio. That's they dubbed over and it's bad. Well, and then then, okay, they shoot him into the well, right, they find it for the clover at the shoe m into the well and although, okay, Yep, the when he was driving his little truck right and got pulled over. That was pretty funny. Did you okay? When he flips their car? Yeah, finally a hidiot with this tiny each rug. I was like that, no, wouldn't happen. No, he's magic. Yeah, the same magic. Okay, he had obtained like one gold coin at that point and therefore his magic heading, but barely. Yes, but it's still stupid. You know. Did they have all nine united that point in one Thousan ninehundred and ninetyd all the ones except the one ausey eight. Did I actually, yeah, he did anything. But when they find it, he bites one and then he swallows it. Looks. Yes, they not going to the well. He starts melting, which man? Those special effects, though. They knock him in and he comes back out, toxic, masculine, comes rifle butts and poor some gas and lights a match, flicks it in there and then there's a nuclear explosion. And Yeah, I beg your pardon. What were you keeping in that well? Meth not what you keep something, I mean, but the North Dakota get our water from the city. We don't want to meet our well's just waste in space. Let's build them at less kids. Make a wish. I wish for Meth I got it. Hey, I don't. Honestly, I don't know how much more I could talk about. This movie is terrible, you know. You know, it's one of those where is probably better watched as a group with alcohol, with alcohol. Yeah, like, that's what I'm saying is I would definitely be down to watch the other ones because they sound utterly ridiculous. Yeah, part of me, honestly kind of wants to skip like two and three and just go straight to like outer space and facebooly. So, yeah, my understanding is one is probably the weakest one. Almost the reboot is like the lepricon origins. One is like a gritty reboot one. Why? When I watch that? The whole point of Leftricon is that it's absurd. Yeah, it's ABSURDA doofy. Okay, the line of Shamrock your world, lowky makes me want to watch. Yeah, well, that was a that was like a return to form. They went back to all right, let's move on from that terrible movie to another good movie, which I guess chronologically, we Tuckerendale, Tucker and Dale Versus Evil Two thousand and twenty that's the act. We had sound two differently. So I got it right here. You are a good looking man, more or less. You got a damn good heart. Wait, that's two things right there. It is just be gem. He's a he's a wonderful man. He's so funny. Yeah, and so again, spoilers. I'm kind of because it. They established it really ear in the movie, but I love that. I love the way that the movie opens with like the typical college fat people who like, Oh, these people are all going to get murdered, going and they passed the Hillbaly truck and they look all angry and they pulled the gas station and then it switches to the perspective of Tuckerndale, who are the actual protagonists. I it's really fun. And then, of course, the you know, they end up skinny dipping, whatever will, Tuckerdale fishing. One of them falls in hits her head and so they rescue her and they're like yelling at them, we're got...

...your crown. There's so many things as like, dude, do you get yourself when you talk? It's it's obviously the whole movie is completely predicated on the college kids think that they're serial killers. And they're not really doing anything to help their case and no one ever tries to sit down to like the very o of the we when it's way too late and everyone's dead. But it it's absurd, but it's absurd in a great way, especially when, after they like all look, the guy throws some of the wood chipper and the guys fears himself on this. It's pretty gruesome. But when, yeah, but duck, just like freaking out. I don't, this is this is suicide code. Damn, college kids come up here kill themselves all over the property. It's yeah, like they're just going to just like have a fishing trip and just, yeah, I think so. Well. And also it was that they were trying to play off of movies like the hills have eyes and yeah, turn, yeah, which also fun fact. We. I thought of two completely different movies while watching this. See that that's actual chainsaw. I. Yes, I think that one also is one of the Texas chainsaw. Yet definitely, like with the they walk into the cabin. The do you think this cabin was owned by scientists, like all these those like, oh no, let their face shown. This cabin. I do. I do always love and it's a really huge joke, but for some reason I always enjoy it where someone staring at something and even from the cameras you're seeing all these horrible things and the person like zones and on something they do on Santa Clary to diet where they walk into the Nazi's house and Joel's looking at the shelf and it's like, Oh my God, is showing all this Nazi memorabilia and all this stuff and like, oh my gosh, I got not see's like this shelf is amazing, it's this, is this tea, like he's just completely misses the Nazi stuff. My I love I love that so that I going over all this horrible grizzly murder stuff and like Julie Dogs, no expliration day, the cube on the exterior, the cabinet straight out of evil dead. Oh yeah, undred percent, hundred well it was. I think they he wanted to combine the cabin from evil dead and wrong turn. Maybe. So I have not seen wrong turn in the hills. Have Eyes. So fun fact, those were like the first horror movies I've seen. Why? I don't know. Reas intense. Yeah, what's craven don't plays? Huh? I so this is what happened. Is when I was younger I was like I don't know how I feel about horror movies, and then at much time, I've write it. Every time I was homesick, there were tend to be a horror movie marathon on, but of course it would be like all of the wrong turns, and I'm like well, it's daylight, so like now's the time too, if I'm gonna start. And so I saw like all of the wrong turn movies and then the hills have eyes was going to come on, I think at a different time, and I was like, Oh, that's clearly about ghosts. I don't know why. I'd never heard anything about it. And I watched it and I was like, no, it's more cannibals. I've seen is cannibals. And so also the check type, this Chancel Maskar, and I've watched movie couple times. I just noticed this today. The original right, the original? Yes, that's correct. So when he chained saws the the high by accident and he runs out and he's like spinning around, he's doing the chain saw dance from Texas chainsaw Massa dance from the end, which I didn't know I was I was just like always speaking out. But then I say, I saw a video on why. I've ever seen Texas chainsaw ever, but I finally saw the kill counts for it. And so you know, that's they deep. They use that dance over. Yeah again, it's it's just like running. Well, they had said that. That was one. I think they had two scenes created that like they wanted to do before they had any of the cast Oryeah, any of that stuff, and that was one of the scenes that they were like yeah, that was very well done. It was a nice Omi. I was I yeah, it was, it was. It was really fun. Well, I mean the whole thing is picking on the idea of like stereotypes of like the backwoods. Oh, yeah, to people. And Yeah, so I got damn stupid college kids. This vacation sucks my notes. I was writing down understandment. So the year. So I don't know if you noticed, but Chad. So these kids all kill themselves, starting on themselves, and one of them is like going crazier and crazier crazier and getting like bloodthirsty. Use Chad. I don't know if you notice, but over the course of this film he's collar gets more and more popped like it starts off normal and then the end it's like flick straight up, like over his ears. I don't know that was deliberate. I think it was. I think it was a deliberate choice, like he becoming more and more of a douchebag and she's college. Is Funny. How else would you fly it? It's illustrate he's not just sending the eatlists. Collars fully erect. That's how that's how you visually demonstrate a descent into madness. By how the only way I could have gotten more was if he had put another show on the pop. That me right, gradually pop my collars round,...

...just like slowly. Oh my gosh, she's going and say it's too much. Oh Man, it's too much. No one side well accounts. It doesn't make sense. But so I did notice from like a cinematography standpoint, when Tucker is being chased through the woods, it's like almost an exact mirroring of the story they tell of the the murders, from the beginning of the girl he chased, the way accept this talker. He's like the one leaves on himself. Hmm, talk he's I love the other guy, the other guy's great, but Allan Tuddock is the best part of that movie. He's so funny. He's just constantly like it gets sung by bees. He comes in, pops a PBR I just like pouring beer in his face. He gets his hand, his hand like the cut his fingers off. He goes over, Starts Porning Beers, you know, alcohol. He did. Yeah, that's it wasn't like written in there. He was the one that came up with the fact that, like he should pour beer on his face for his these things that that seems appropriate. And and like, you know what, I really love the romance with Dale. Oh so good. And like they they do so many things to wear like they people on the outside are going to think they're gay. Like, I don't know, like the whole scene where they're getting pulled over by the cop and they like me, I was like, oh no, that cop is going to think other things are happening right, right, Um, and then just so many other things, like just you know, the way they do. You want me to pull those stingers out of your faces? To that, though, is I'm gonna find it. I have the movie open for the part where they're like shooting at him. In the cabin and they get into a fight. It's the the conversation is just like so bromance. I love it, I do. I do like the romance and I don't know it because I am a straight girl. I don't know if if people who are not watching this film would you that as Queer bating. So I'm just I'm again things. I don't know if you know the answer to these questions. I don't think it is as maybe, okay, arguably, that he pulled over seen is played for that kind of laughs, right, but they're just to pick it as good friends. Ye. So, yeah, here's here's one of my pair of things, but it's still working. There's something there. That's what happened. If there wasn't for you. That's right, for being such a Goddamn Good Samaritan. Oh my God, she's drowning, Tucker. Oh let's savor. Oh, let's savor. Well, howless she still love? Oh Hallo, Fuck Louis, don't you dare blame us on her. Not Blaming this whole thing on her. I'm blaming this old thing on you, when you know what, Tuck, none of this would have happened if we hadn't a gun fishing. That isn't even an option. I don't even like the fiship. You don't like you mean you don't like fishing. I like it. Okay, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Tucker to her feelings. I'm sorry. Yeah, he kind of did. Just love that. It's just the tension, just deplaceribulance. Yeah, you kind of did, but I actually I did have I'm blaming this old thing on you. That's staying on the group of things. So good aspris at all. But yeah, I mean it does like escalate to the point of just maximum absurdity with how the the rest of the kids end up buying right. So, like, Oh yeah, I think it peeks at the woodchipper scene when the when the cop comes and they have the half that body in the leg. Wait, I have it. We've had a doozy of a day. Yeah, I don't know, like the the whole idea the dumb girl who she's like, oh no, you're on fire and then she literally throws and I'm sure as a descendant of moonshiners. Well, I will say they do establish the college characters with about one note right, but they're pretty good at sticking with that. And the black guy is like the last one at I can see super cautious. MM So, I mean he still dies, right, but will? Isn't his dad like the one that he talked about in the story? No, no, that's chat, that's Chad. Oh, wherever it's a yeah, that's that's towards the end where it turns out that that Chad's motain, because I like the tell a store worry about hill billy's like murder a bunch of people and his mom was feeling I got away. But it also turns out that he was impregnant. She was impregnated by Hill Billy. So this it comes to the out there in the by the way, this is your dad. You can't be true. You're half full billy. Yeah, I'm like, yes, or because that's a genetic thing that you passed on it. Hell, they'll like, I love it, and they'll billy is not ethnicity. And then they work in like the found footage stuff too. They're working a lot of a lot of stuff, even though on the that the image of falling out of the thing from the original Halloween right, yes, yes, I thought about that too. Is Like, oh, are they going to turn away, he gonna be gone and it's kind of like, I think having in the woods is a similar thing, where it's it's an homage to horror in a way. That's just like a really fun movie right right now. This was a fun with this is my first time...

...watching that today. I really enjoyed it, since it's so good. Well, I need know. It's been on my list for years because even before I liked horror movies, one of my Grad School professors, Dr Amy Sturgis Gee every year she loves Halloween's her favorite holiday. So she does thirty one days of Halloween on her blog and she always posts a movie list and she doesn't actually really like horror movie, but she likes she likes more like thoughtful and like horror comedy and things like that. So actually get all really good like horror movie recommendations on from her, but that was one that was on her list because when she's a big firefly flank, and so she was really excited to see Ellen too took in a movie of like this, but she's like this is really be fun and how it plays with the horror genre and deals like with ropes, and the first time I watched this. I remember it was with my best friend from college and we were looking for a movie to watch. Me was like this movie is really funny, we should watch it, and that was like the only thing I knew about is. See, I had them, I think, only because of the movie posters and him holding a chainsaw. I assume it was this was a Zombie movie. That was not correct. See, I just didn't even know. So all of a sudden, like go, we're starts. Yeah, and I just started like hiding my face. It was just like what is happening? My friend was like, I thought you would be better with this. Yeah, it was a it was like shockingly corgeous. Yeah, if it was like it's played for comm and yes, still like right, my God, yeah, it's. It's viewing from the wood chippers. It is. God's pretty absurdly over the top, although I will say with the woodchipper thing, they totally did that in a James Bond movie that was ready to pg it's the worst one. It's on Her Majesty's Secret Service, that's and they're like skiing down the slope and the dude like goes a rig. Oh okay, it's the only one with George was zmb because he was so bad. They he's greatly bond to only at one film. Well, I've had some say only only time bond ever got married. Yeah, I've had someone told me that was best movie because of that. I'm like sorry, I can't take any opinion seriously anymore. I I've not seen it, but I loved and it has nothing to do with the marriage thing, although they kind of spoiler for a like forty, fifty six, sixty year old movie this point. They killed her at the end because bond can't be married right, and so I was like, okay then, what the hell we doing this whole time? But the whole movie was just garbage. And there's like skiing down a slope. Some guy goes into a snowblower and you see like the spray, it's or it it's just like Orange Orange, and you're like that's not the color of blood, but it's got to be mixed with the snow. To be fair, that was also before the PG thirteen rating. True, Tould like twenty years. That went back when like airplane PG and like here some titties like I beg your pardon, airplane. Yes, I see titties every day. Not My problem. I do too. anyways. I guess hold on while I pull her hank out. I don't remember what it's like right. Tuckerndal or is yeah, sorry, it was. So I first watched in college and Tuckerndale was one of those movies where I was like my friends were like hey, what's watch this movie and then they explained it to me. I was like that sounds like the terrible movie of sure, I'll watch it, and we watched. was like that was amazing. Was Watch it again. Handful of movies and maybe I don't know if it was just my friends are bad at explaining movie plots, but there are a couple of movies we're I've had friends be like hey, we need to watch this movie and then explain the plot to me. Feel like it's so good. I mean like that sounds like a movie I won't enjoy. Why would I do that? Right, but sure, I'll do it because I'm your friend. And then men was like, okay, that was worth watching. Fucker Dale was one of that sex trifles, one of that I've talked about that one. It's like it's a trashy movie. I don't want to get to sidetrack. It's a trashy movie but I thought it was hysterical, especially when they're going through Amish country. Sarah's from Amish. Good, Yep, Yep, conus a horse. I don't think I missed what you thinking me. All right. So any final thoughts on Tucker do versus evil other than go see it. It's really good. You know, I at being the Native Hill building in the room. I was really impressed with tyler lebane's accent as Dale. He sounds like my cousins. Okay, to be fair, they have like Nadian hillbillies. The accents totally different but they have this similar yeah, lumberjackie, outdoorsy lifestyle. Yeah, I was trying to figure out if I had seen him in anything else and I think the only other film of his I've seen is he was in rise on the plan of the apes, but he's also the no, no, the other thing I'd seen him and he he was in a couple of episodes of the x files and season three he played stoner and I remembered I remembered his character and then I remember, Oh this is why I know him, because when they did the revival in two thousand and sixteen, they brought him back to be stir owner. Okay, serious, oh my gosh, it's the same guy. Really funny. anywaysome. So props, props to you, Mr Liban, on your redneck accent. It's very good, very often. All right, Halloween, two thousand and eighteen.

D Dude, Dude. Again. Didn't have time to finish off. My things are okay, though. Only two thousand and eighteen. I've so many thoughts about this movie. I enjoyed, I thought was good and I thought it was a really good I like a lot of the ways they had mirroring of the original Halloween with Lorie strode, where Michael Myers was absolutely I thought was really cool. So like the shot where ministrode, whose name I cannot remember, Ali Ali Helly Ellison, out the the youngest one. She's sitting in school and she looks at the window and sees Lari standing there. Oh yes, just like when Lorie looked out the window saw Michael Standing there and I was like, Oh, they're doing that. Okay, that's pretty cool. The intro where they're like showing old man Michael from the back and do that whole thing. That to me was like, I don't know that that was I don't know that I needed that. I mean I thought it was kind of an interesting way to set up the film, like, you know, telling you how he got out and fun fact that was actually Nick Castle who was the original Michael Myers. So they got him forty years later to be Michael Myers. I can at least in that scene. The the only problem I had, the one of the biggest problems I have with that, is it kind of demistifies him a little bit. Does you see his face? No, but you see his like old band beard and but he was like this you know, clossal druggernaut where it's like is he human? And then of course some of the Michael Myers was like no, he's not, he's like even possessed something weird. It got weird, even though they scratch that. But yeah, that that that intro to me was a little I was wasn't sure what they were doing. And then when they introduced the strode family, they should you show Lauri being super paranoid. I'd super prepared all this. I thought was really good, her trying to connect with her granddad, her grand ever being a little more understanding than her, her mom. I quite enjoyed, although write in the intro with they're introducing that family like glorious daughter's family. I can't remember. Karen Paren and by Judy greer. Yeah, it's awesome. Alison is the daughter. Yeah. So, so they're internet like making stuff in that just goes. Oh, I got peanut butter on my Dick. I'm not. No, he says I got peanut butter on my penis. I'm like, did you have your Dick out while you're making a sandwich in the live in the kids with your family, like, what is wrong with you? Do like they were just making a joke, but then if you think about the joke they made, it has some really nice I'm like, yeah, so I have on my nose. Did he have his dick out while making a Samuel? Okay, this I mentioned. This really bothered me so pointless. But that first scene where Ali's walking with her friends, M her middle friend, the babysitter one has a halfful thing of Boba tea and she literally never drinks it. She'll raise it to her mouth and then put it down. And she raised her mouth and then put it down as gross. Now you're wrong I do not. I do not like the texture of the weird stuff in the bottom. Thank it different. I'm a I'm just drink coffee, get jelly or bursting. No, no, if know we're all of that. No, none of that should be in tea. But yes, I did not notice that at all. And I've seen this movie like three just I saw it. Well, because I saw it, I was like, Oh, should he bob with tea? And then I was just what? For some reason, I I just gravit hit to watching the Bobadie and she literally like pulls up her mouth, puts her mouth on the straw like she's going to take a sip and then puts it back down. And then every time she liked picked it up and then it will cut and then to put it by it. So look like she's never takes a single SIP. As I like, craft services clearly messed up. They didn't give it. Like why would you give her Boba te? She's not guy. Never, nothing ever goes up the straw at that was just a weird thing that I that I saw, that nobody else noticed. It was stupid. Just also really like Bobati. I do idea. So I didn't realize it's I'm looking at Internet movie database because that's a thing I do. The the dad with the weird you know, butter he is played. He is played by right, he's played by Toby Huss. I don't know if either of you ever watched the adventures of Pete and Pete. That no day. Thank. Oh, okay, so that is a nickelodeon classic. You should watch it. He is Arti, the strongest man in the world. Oh wait, oh, now you know what I'm talking about. How he's also text on glow. If you all have ever watched cloth? Nope, no, he shows up in the most recent season. Yeah, anyway, sorry, random aside, random aside, but yeah, he is art the strongest man. Halloween also took quite a while to get going. So, but, but I thought it was my original Halloween. Kind of did. Oh, yeah, I know, the pace of I thought the pacing was yeah, I thought the pace was fine. I didn't have a problem. I didn't have a because they they took time to establish the family in the characters, right, and then Laur's paranoia, uh, and then Michael escapes and then it's kind of when is it when he's going to basically hit that hit that apex. I think probably the most harrowing scene is when Michael is in the Halloween Party just like walking house to house murdering people. Right, I'm although he definitely does some teleporting as he walks, like the speed at which so there's the one where it pans over. I thought it was really good cinematography because if he used a lot of still shots,...

...like non moving shots, static shots and where you just see people move around. So there was the one where it pans over to the window in the house and you see Michael Walk past the window on the side right and then walk in and murder the person, although like to get back and around and and but I thought was really good shot, even if it made Michael like lightning speed. So well, in they're employing these same camera techniques. Yeah, they used to Halloween. You you have the the over the shoulder, so you're yeah, my guess, perspective. So in the this the scene that you're referencing. While you know, he's walking around, while everybody's trick or treating, the trick or treaters are wearing silver shamrock halloween mess, which is from Halloween three season, the which you mean season over, the VIVIC season? No, season the witch, which is universally panned. Also, I have and I have mytal Mosh just this. So okay, I know what. I know what. I have this. So when Michael Escapes, right, the kid in his dad pull up and Michael totally kills that kid. Yep. So I have my Dan. They ice that kid. Yep. I do appreciate that. The cops take it seriously, right, although the one cop is like, we're not gonna like, we're not gonna be able to do anything. Right, but coach, coach from Rember, the titans. HMM, he take out, which I love that actor. He takes it seriously. When he kills the reporters, which like halfway through the film, when Michael Kills the reporters, the podcasters. Yeah, Oh, yeah, well, that was that was fairly fairly early. But that that's that's that's a kill scene from Halloween four or five. Yeah, so so it's like halfway through the whole too. Thing was weird. Yeah, but the the the kill in the batter, Oh, yeah, that sends. That's from four or five. That scene is really intense. I thought that it was a pretty pretty good scene. But that the whole dropping. The two things were reporters. Yeah, yeah, that's a little bit scary. And then what? Okay, so the kind of turning point was when coach sees who's again don't remember his name, police, police guy from remember the titans, sees Michael and is like thing popped and just like runs his ass down. HMM, and it gets out to double tap him, and the doctor, who has a pen knife for some reason, right kills him. I thought that they were going to actually kill Michael and then have this guy take over as Michael. That would have been a really interesting you know, I had that same thought when I saw it in the theater. Yeah, that would have been a really interesting thing. That happens and they just I think I understand why, because then then it wouldn't really make sense from hut down Moore. I mean they could probably explain it. Yeah, because he puts on the mask right, but it was a little weird that they were just like and he killed the doctor. Okay, that this is literally just a get Michael Myers out of jail free card, right and then. And then, okay, so here's so again I realized we're dealing with my like okay, so this is the thing where Michael was the most magical. Okay, they finally get to the house, right, and all that poor poor guy who was just trying to afford doofy guy who's just trying to get some got he got did dirt even deserved die like that. The Chubby Guy, Oh yeah, yeah, what's his I'm looking after she dumped douchebag. Yeah, like I wasn't usual. Thing the other way. It wasn't that much better. But Oscar Oscar, that's yeah, Oscar Oscar. Oscar's death was pretty old. Yikes. Okay, kills are pretty pretty intense. HMM. All of them were. And again, so many of them were mirrors of yeah, kills and other helloween films. Yeah, I wrote paper on that. Man comes when he dooche's doctor's head. That was that was pretty dy gross. Yeah, but, but, but they all get to the strode house, the strobe lockdown mansion, HMM, and the dad goes outside, peanut butter penis goes outside to seize the COP car pull up, cocker pulls up, which is Michael was driving. It opens the door and there's a dead cop and then the dead, like a skin dead COP's face with a flashlight in it. When did he have time to set that up? Because he pulled up in the dad is walking towards the car, which was Michael, set the body up, set the flashlight thing up, got out of the other car and then walked away the six of these seven foot tall bit he was supposed to be this colossus and he sometime gets behind it like a little much. Have any notes? Arts and crafts? Michael clearly like supernatural on the other films as well. So yeah, I think have fine. I think. Oh yeah, I think for storytelling purposes it's fine, although they kind of humanize him a little bit in this one, which it was weird guy. I think that you just like left the mystery. Yeah, not a huge complaint. Not a huge complaint, but that, but that one in particular was like that's a little too much because, like he's being super arts because, like, what was the purpose of that? He's just gonna kill this guy, like look what I'm Ay. So it's a little weaker. There are so much I really, really love about this film. Just I love the visual homage to every other Halloween film while simultaneously ignoring all of their content. I think that's Hilarious and again I think candy the the new candy man, is going to do a similar thing, making this a spiritual sequel the original, and that that's what I think this film is. Also, this is the first Halloween film that John Carpenter has been involved with since Halloween to HMM. He and his son and another guy actually did all the music yes film, which is incredible. I don't I don't score.

It was unlike candy man. I don't think it popped out at me much because it wasn't quite it wasn't bombasting. was more background for the most part. There was one part was like since with the not the rave part. Know the I think what you're referring to is it's actually called help. This name of the song is Halloween Triumphant, and it's you're referring to the the song is played over the end credits. I don't know. I don't know. The music did. The music did not stick in my head the way candy man's did. Halloween is my favorite horror movie score, and I think it's because it's so interesting. I've heard thought I'm a drummer. I'm a sucker for anything with like a like a pulsing kick drum beat like this has. Also, it's so interesting because this is a this is scores in five four time, which is unusual. The what I really liked about here's a here's a thing like you, that you have the you know, you have the score. Then the opening credits, it's it's the opening credits for Halloween in reverse, because the PUMPKIN is coming back to life. It's it's it. For me, that was that just opening shot of the jackalanern is. It is a visual signal of this is what this movie is going to do. It's going to take the other one, the original film, and invert and that that is what yes, entire film is is is an inversion of that, while also still paying homage to the rest of the hollow and can yeah, so, so, like right at the end when Michael finally gets to the House and starts fighting with Lori, and it is really an inversion of almost one to one. Oh yeah, of the original Halloween with with the roles reversed, right. So, like she falls out of the window and now we'll say so first thing when they know Michael's there's something that turned on the lights. I feel like, as soon as you got that, you should turn the lights on. But but, okay, also, this, this bothered me, even though it looked Badass. Lori picked a rifle with an incredibly long barrel to try to sweep the house. It's so bad because if someone's sitting right behind the door frame, your gun barrel poks and first they can just grab your gun barrel and disarmed. So it was like a really bad especially considering how many weapons she hadn't how prepared she was for this. It was like a an actually bad decision to pick that gun. And I realized they picked it for the visual. Yeah, but I'm like, Lori would have picked like a short barreled shotgun, like a sawed off something that you can flip around corners really fast, so that that someone who has never shot a gun. I did not think that. Yeah, but of course, like in my head, as I'm thinking of the visual, like her holding Oh yeah, you're good, is like yeah, that's realistic. Probably what should have happened, like her holding the shotgun is like yeah, yeah, so that was really, really cool. But by absolute favorite moments Gotcha Bang. Yeah, that was that was a I was like, well, are they gonna die and then, and then that was a really good moment. I answered that a lot. Yeah, and you know the whole line where the dinner scene where Laur says, well, if my daughter hates me, but I have prepared her for the realities and the evils of this world, then I can live with that. And and and and while, yes, I understand why Karen has these hang ups with her mother, I'm blaming this old thing on you. It was it's that same thing that trained her and equipped her for that moment. Right. And you know they're doing two more of these movies, right, and that, and that's the thing, right, because she grabs her gun off was a off the rack. Yeah, so that I thought that was that was really cool, just to have these these great you know, it's kind of a toss up in my in my mind, and I think it's only it's only toss up because of how Halloween has treated Hannon. The Halloween Franchises Treat Canon as if she's yourn adventure, pretty much like cannon, but like that cass up. Lookin, Miss what you thinking? Mess, exactly like the toss up for the ultimate final girl and any horror franchises either between Laurie strode or Sydney in about Ripley? Well, I think I tend to think of alien is more SCI FI and Siecie with horror elements. Yeah, yeah, so, but but, yeah, it's still I think you can categories as categorize that as a horror movie. Maybe not so much any of the other ones, except resurrection. Yeah, but anyway, like toss up between Marie and Sidney for like ultimate final girl. And now like at the end of this film we've got three ultimate final girls and I'm like, yes, I am here for this, this is awesome. Yeah, I liked being able to see the dynamic of the family right and just even like so I've only seen the original Halloween and then the twenty seen, Oh cool one. So I have not seen like all the ones in between. I have not either, but I also appreciated that that like to watch this one, I did not need to see right all of the red ones. Granted, I didn't get all of the symbolism and things like that, which homage is that they do, which...

I think at some level is actually like a really good makes makes it a better movie that you we can appreciate it. Having just watched the original and this one. Ask. This one's like a seat TREX Equel to the original. Yeah, but someone who's invested in the Halloween franchise can appreciate all the little bits. and well, that's how I felt about detective Pikachu the movie. Oh yeah, because like you can go into that knowing nothing about Pokemon and just enjoy the movie or, you know, knowing like the bass level of what a Pokemon is, because it assumes you know that, right. Yeah, or you can go in being a pokemon Fan. Mean, like there's that and that and that. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I feel like they did it really I feel like that's always like the line of handering two fans in a way that won't doesn't interfere with rest the movie, right. And I think another thing that does that really well is, I actually talked about this in my Halloween presentation. There are two film and Television series that I think really do this well. One is stranger things. Stronger Thong. Nope, that is the correct way to say it. Stronger Thong. That is incorrect. Please try again, but actually don't give you send a word. But anyway, like so, like when I watch stranger things and then when Ryan, my husband, watch stranger things. He and I had two completely different experiences because, while he is familiar with some of the the things stranger things draws from, those are a lot more fresh in my mind than they are his, and I nerdered out on a completely different level than he did. And yet we both still enjoyed it. And I can watch stranger things my mentors daughter, who has no clue about and thing from the s because she's like sixteen. Yeah, other than what she's seen on stranger things and like a handful of s films. But she also enjoyed it like so I think that's the mark of just good storytelling. Yeah, and so. But and hereditary, I think, is the other one that does that really, really well, because it draws from all these different horror films while, say, simultaneously telling its own story. Have you seen the the knockoff about the barbershop heredit? Terry? No, I can't say so. I'm civilized. Yeah. Yeah, final thoughts on Halloween, and that was one where I thought it was really good. I don't know that I go back and Rewatch it, but I you know, I could recommend it. I could recommend watching it. Yeah, I feel like I want to go back and watch it. I feel like it would be interesting to watch the original like Halloween, and then right afterwards watch, yeah, yeah, to have them both fresh. Yeah. Well, we watched Greg and I watched the original Halloween for the last four podcast we did, so it was pretty fresh for me. Okay, yeah, so I halloween is my favorite horror movies, so Oh ge or this one, Oh gee. But this is the only, only one of the Halloween seagulls, and while I still enjoy all of them on different levels, this is the only one that I love as much as the original, and I think it's just because of how the these directors are. They're writing a love letter to John Carpenter, hmm, and the fact that they get, actually got John Carpenter to come back and do anything, do anything with another Halloween film is impressive to me. So that tells me that he is also happy with what they're doing. So I'm really excited to see Halloween kills, which is the next one is supposed to be out, and I think so everything's twenty and twenty one now. Yeah, just about. So I'm really excited to see what they do with these other two films. Also because coronavirus. was like yeah, basically, but yeah, I love, Love, love, Jamie Lee Curtis. I've seen her in a lot of different things aside. Thank you, Friday, Whoo hey movie. I've ever seen freaking Friday. It's good. I'm thinking, but the first, but it's good. It's back before Lindsay Lohan went in saying yeah, like freaky Friday and parent trap. I've mostly seen her in Christians of the cranks. There was another one I saw her in that I had completely different context for her outside the horror genre. And then so when I finally went and watched Halloween, I was like, Oh wow, like I've never seen her as a young woman before. Is like she's really beautiful, like and then watching this I'm like she kicks so much, but I just love it. It's so great, so great. Yeah, really, I totally costplayed Loris drode while doing giving my holloway presentation at this Gygoys, like how it showed like the effect of the drama. Yeah, that was really a list. Yeah, really, I thought that was really good. Yeah, because it's just like, I don't know, instead of them just like going often her living her like normal life, like yeah, she was able to have a family and stuff, but like this affected every ass man, and understandably so. Right, yeah, like like I don't feel like it was unrealistic for her. Right, yeah, in that way at all, even with like years of therapy. Hmmm. Last movie we watched. All right, I forgot to watch the which. I don't know why. It's okay, we can will visit that one another time. But because that's that's a really great song. I'll have to do candy man to Leper Con Seven, to which and then like light house. Oh yeah, because that's the...

...same directors record. HMM, live house. It did not look here. It's a really great film. That's probably going to be one I'm only going to want to watch once. Yeah, look like one of those. I watch it again, like for the podcast and everything. I really liked it. I didn't really. I saw that in theaters. Okay, HMM, anyway, anywhere, anyway, anyway. Oh Man, I guess we got to wrap up. All right, US man, that was a good movie. US, I love, Love, love Jordan people. Yeah, so, so I noticing one of the themes of these horror movies is that the the ones I've enjoyed have done a really good job of building characters, HMM, and not really hit the gun on crazy murder until about halfway through. Then I like I'm now, I'm investing these characters and then it starts ratcheting up until like the it's like one Third World Building and character development, then one third ratcheting tensions and one third insane finale. Yeah, the acting was probably the best all. I can't even his acting was really good too, and so holl long was good. But but I think the acting was just from everyone was and everyone's playing two characters right. and Oh yeah, by the way, major spoilers for us. If you haven't seen it, you don't want it spoiled, stop listening right now. The next next time. So so I just have like here my notes. Nice character building, good action, tensions rising, and this is like, you know, thirty minutes in. And then that first scene, where the where the there the the, that first scene where the tethered family comes in, if that's just that's the one clip I managed to get was when the happening. That's happening and they come by and pick up the out door key and and it is like they found that they found hidden key and the yeah, as like hidden key, a watch white people. Yeah, it's a key, but when they can she sits down and starts talking. My note is just, Holy Shits, sleeping and young. Yeah, so one. I I saw US three times because I love it so much. But I was so, so, so, so angry this year when they released Oscar nominations and Loupet was nowhere on that list. Okay, yeah, that's like if you academy, Academy, stupid, because they don't recognize legitimately on the amazing performance. Yes, yes, I mean, and again this is this is the sci Fi, fantasy horror snub. Gosh, Lupeza. Um, I thought she, I mean obviously she was amazing, but I was really, really impressed with Evan Alex, who played the Sun Jake. Yeah, that, I'm sorry, that little evil like scamper that he does. Yeah, Oh my God, freaks up hell out of me. Yeah, my God, he was amazing. And the constant purring mark, like her dog purring Crown, yeah, prowling that like that he doing eat that entire scene. He's yeah, yeah, growl thing. Yeah, I mean everyone, everyone was great in that film. There were no bad actors in that foot all. No, I was also, you guys talked about the score in like candy man and everything, the music, and Oh my gosh, that open actually have a did note sient. But Oh yeah, I like that's the original score. The original score was so good. The the Latin singing, I'm fat. That's not Latin. That's not Latin. I ever because I thought it was Latin too, because they say something, they say something that I recognized as a Latin word, but I wouldn't looked it up afterwards. It is all nonsense words and I was so angry. So it's kind of like dull the faces. Yeah, he's actually he like Sanskrit words and do interesting. Okay, all I know is like I was watching it with my roommate and that music came on and I just immediately went new, no, no, no, was like, what's wrong with you? I was like it's music. She was like why and I was like MMM, no, I'm just immediately like, but in like a good way, if that makes any sense. Like yeah, music came on and I was immediately just like this is all right, I think I found it and that name of that song is called anthems. It was really well shot. It looked great and the acting was phenomenal. And again, it spends like a lot of time establishing the characters in the family and all this before about thirty or forty minutes in when that first thing happens. And it, you know, made me think. I think home invasion is the scariest. Is The scariest for our thing. That's like that's the one that you could actually see happening. Maybe not, probably would not be nearly as horrific as as these movies make it out to be, like, let's be honest, but but that's like that's the real that's the real scary thing. Is like, well, what if, you know, some point bust into your home and started, you know, murdering people? Like? That's really scary. Well, like, it's your home. Is supposed to be a safe right, right. It's a violation of of your sanctuary. Yeah, which is, you know, one of the things that makes it really, really terrifying. So I have lots and lots of notes...

...about this that are in my head that I'm currently writing down because I want to talk about all of them. But I see what's been going on. Yeah, I got yeah, yet, but you get yeah, I hear it. So I why? I guess not that it's I feel like, Um, a good soundtrack is crucial in a lot of films, right before a horror movie where you're trying to maintaining certain tension right, it's absolutely crucial. That's why I thought one of the low one of the not lowest, points of the movie. I think the whole movie was very good. One of the parts of the movie that I think maybe should have been toned back was the scene where there in the neighbor's house and it's playing the police by Nwa. That was that was which way in the theater where I legit left, right, right exactly, and it's like this horrible tension and then the the the twins like come out and stab them and it's like what the when it was playing the hold, I wrote it down the vibrations that one was like and then they's like step out and kill all of them and still playing good vibrations. That was like, you know, jarring. But then she was she was like I like how they had they had an it was ophelia police playing for the police by and which was hilarious but like kind of spoiled the tension a little bit. And there were. There were just a couple things. See, I thought that was necessary at that point. I enjoyed it's I think it was good and kind of calming me down, which which, you know what, is fine if a horror movie doesn't want to be like, I don't want people to die of stress. At the end of this movie. I thought it was still a really effected movie. I don't think this, I don't think this makes it a worse movie, but I think they could have he could have Jordan, people could have chosen to just have it be super tense the entire time. I think it would have been even scarier. I have, Holy Shit, the dattle Ganger kill. That was the the when they all fighting their doppelgangers. The Dad's fight was and the like struggling, shrugging, and then he headbuts the engine just like God, yeah, it was really intense. But the I really like the dad was so funny when he's fighting with the neighbors doppelganger, the flare. HMM. Yeah. Also, even when they got in the car and then they were but she was like I have the most kill, so yeah, driving right one. So that, to me, the the the the jokey stuff to me was like okay, fine, I'm okay with this. You know, ratchet at ten, ten just a little bit so I can breathe again. I was fine with that. That part, and and the part where the right earlier, where they're discussing like leaving, I feel like they were a little too calm, like their voices were too calm, especially when you look at the terror and shock on their faces. I feel like their deliveries didn't quite match their faces and they were like I have the highest skill calm, like what kid is going to say that after they just had to kill someone that they've known for years? I feel like there wasn't enough. There wasn't quite a mean I can understand if they had, you know, like shocks. They they're in shock and they're just trying to yeah, we can only resort of humor. But again, it wasn't necessarily the the words in the dialog, it was how they were delivered kind of nonchalantly, whereas I feel if they had delivered it in more of like a reeking out sort of way, it would have that would have come across less as like writing jokes into the script and more like this is them trying to cope with what they just did, especially because they did such a good job portraying the shock on their faces. HMM, I think. I don't know when I was watching it, like it kind of got to a level in which the kids were like all right, fuck it, this is what we're doing. Like when they go into the House, when the dad's like fighting the other dad stopped with hanger and all that stuff, and the kids go into the house, like I remember my roommated was literally like why are you going in the house? Yeah, but I think like Oh, we grab took the grabbed her mom right right. But then like they grabbed the golf club and I feel like at a point they're like all right, like like it's either kill or be killed, right, right, right and then, and that's fine and would but you see it like okay, so one the first the first girl they like hit over the railing and she just dies. The second girl, who like knocked her out and then it starts wailing on her with his face of like I can't like I just have to keep going until she's dead. But then the like the delttle later is a little out of sync with that. HMM. Okay, that's that's that's my point and again, I think for it part of it was also they sit down and are watching the news, like there's almost a like d impress that part where you're sitting on the table. I think was a good like they're decompressing and trying to deal with it. But, yeah, let's figure out what's going on. Yeah, and that's when they like turn earn on the news and they see everything that's going on and so and then they like are running out to the car and...

...then, yeah, I don't know, but I I personally, being someone who has been scared multiple times just within this podcast, hearing different things, appreciated the joking and things that headed what it was. Just like I see moving the mouse over there and I'm afraid to gonna scare me again. So I had so during that scene again, I'm going through my notes, that this was just like what I was right now. Yeah, I'm watching it. When she killed the Doppel mom from the other family was and mosses. Yeah, it was with Matha stopped Ganger. Well, but the boy did that? No, no, she did, like she like Kitty. That's when you see the mom, you see the Pete in the Ongo, you see her kind of start to go a little insane, which again doesn't make sense to the very, very end of them. But I just have oceans mom just iced hole. Wow, the fight that she had with her doppel Ganger was so good, so brilliantly shot. There's so many things I love, Love, love about this movie, but that final showdown was just incredible. Yeah, some the mirrored actions and and you know the line. It just to think I would never have danced if it not for you, right, right, and so and like the whole fight scene was mirrored as a dance. It's so good. Oh my gosh, I have a list. It's not until it's not until forty minutes in the doppel family even shows up. Right and if to our movie, though. Yeah, obviously major spoiler the ending. Right Ris revealed that the very beginning of the movie when they'll beat in, Younga as a kid, meets her doppelganger, meets her tethered, the tether chokes her and switches places with it. So it's Adelie. And then read, read, yes, red is red the tethered. So we find out that red has actually been who we thought at Lee. Yes, right, yes, I have many notes about this that are a bit different from what y'all have talked about. Wanna jump in there about I don't want to interrupt if you I said nothing about the last thing I have. So I was just like, what a plot twist. But then that last shot of them driving away and the son is staring him of like a Bam. He knows. Yeah, she took like Adelaide to hold him. I'm convinced that Adelaide told him. I think she. I don't know if she recognizes it, but he knows well and I think he's I think she knows that he knows and I think that he realizes, wow, this lady, who are this? This girl who lived underground became my mom, right, and and so, and also that she's one of the crazy killer people. Yeah, but obviously she's trying to. She's obviously, but it also explains why none of the tether can talk. And so so they tie it back into when she when she when red switches places. Right, they have the flashback of Oh, she's got PTSD, that's why she's not talking, and so they give her dance lessons so she's learn right. And why it read is the Art Adelaide is the only tether that can talk and she has the really horse voice because she was choked and sort of voices. I never thought of that until you just said it. Yeah, so I think that's really cool. And Yeah, so what made you play the tension? For you was a girl. Yeah, so your voice is so good. And the thing is she would do that on set, like she wouldn't break character when she was talking to there. There's clips of her like between scenes and she's talking about the scene they're about to shoot and chill see and she's like this is the scene as this, as this happened. Yet okay, like Gill like giving and taking stage directions in that voice. Well, because it's and they didn't even noted her for an Oscar No, insane. Well, because, like, and it's also just like the breathiness, but then the abrupt and like, because it's not just like this Gurgle, like it could just be this, like like, like, like I would take leapede and Younggos Batman, I would take that. Oh, yeah, I watch that like it would. It's not even like that kind of a voice or something. It's like I don't know, because I feel like it juxtaposed with like this strength versus this weakness, like she almost has like a weakened voice. Yeah, but it almost makes her appear stronger. So interesting. So I have a really exciting list. Sorry, guys, I'm like chomping up the thing. All right, hit there, okay, okay. So, so one of the things I really, really love about Jordan Peel's work is that his movies also provide social commentary and he tells you, at least in us. I've only seen get out once. I need to watch get out again, but in us he tells you exactly what he's doing. Right in the very first shot of the TV as it's zooming in on that newscast, look at...

...the vhs tapes that are on all that are sitting next to the TV. You have Chud. You had but it Schud, Chud, Chud. It's a it's s horror film. It's got Daniel Sterne it, but it's about these people who live under, underground in New York City and they're but they're like mutant people in Volleyball, oh, people class. Yeah, I started watching it not that long ago and I dosed off because I was very sleepy that day. But anyway, so there's Chud. There's invasion of the body snatchers and then there's them. Oh yeah, yeah, so he tells you what he's doing right right there, just with those vahs tapes. But then the commercial is about hands across America, right, which was a social program that meant, that was meant to benefit, you know, people in poverty and things like that, and that also failed. You have them Adelaide's family at the at the fair, and she wants this thriller t shirt. If you watch the thriller video, it's Michael Jackson facing off like with his you know, with his other self, like the Werewolf sell. So Jordan Peel tell you everything he's going to do in this movie in the first five minutes? Sure, I'll I don't know that that. Know that you could piece that together until you've actually seen the movie. Right, right, right. I mean the as soon as I saw those vhs tapes, because I recognize that that was something that he did in get out like the different things that he came from, I was like, and also after just knowing how much of a student of like science fiction and horror genre he is, like I was like, okay, these, this is important. Pay attention here, all right, so it's also reminds me a lot of this Denzel lockhinghan movie called fallen. You've told me about that. I have seen it because it has a very the plot twist is set up very similarly, where there's something set up in the beginning that gets paid off at the end and then you say, oh, that's what they were setting up at the beginning. Now the beginning makes sense. But yeah, I think it's a great movie. It plods in the middle, but I think it's worth watching for the for the ending is but also the other thing that he sits up with. That the that very first scene at the fair when she goes into the The the vision quest yeah, a one. You have use of reflection in mirrors, which gets brought in into loads of different scenes, whether there's a mirror in the scene or not, like Adelaide seeing her, she's looking at her reflection in the window right before the the the tether family shows up there there, you know. So you know that use of reflection in mirrors and you of course that's a story about Babblegangers, so you have that also. Jordan Peele also told you something that was going to happen if you opened your Bible is just the dude. That's what jeremilevel and I looked it up and here it is, so you don't have to look it up. Dar My Eleven, Eleven, therefore, thus is the Lord behold. I am bringing disaster upon them that they cannot escape. They cry to me, I will not listen to them, and she talks about God. Should like brought me to this point. Yep, one, then eleven. Is like all throughout the move. And that mirror. You know, that's a mirror too. Yeah, it's a mirror. And then there's also it's on the clock and then it's for good the other time. But like it's, yeah, all through. Yeah, and the thing is like, even though they survived, they show like the tethered killed everyone. Well, and and I I was a little lost as to what the tethered were accomplishing, making this huge Human Jane. Well, that was hands across America, right. They were all in red, just like the hands across America Tahirt, right, which is what Adelaide was wearing right when she and read swap places. Right. So one of the other things that I wanted to note about the tether. So the first time I watched the movie, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the science of the tether. Uh Huh. And then the second time I watched a movie, I'm like what that? You know, I kept I could not quite piece it together. The third time I watched the movie, it's like it is not about the tether, it is about who is in the position of power, right, and that is the whole point of the movie, right, like and I was like, holy crap, that is like the amazing like social commentary, like it does not matter that Adelaide and read swap places. It was about who was in the position of power, and that's the person who was on top, right, and that's that's the whole. That's whole that I mean. I mean they don't tell you that till like the very, very, very, very very end. And again, I'm a little slow, but I was geeking about all of the other stuff. But they don't really show you that. They imply that the tethered are sometimes forced to mirror what they're above. Oh yeah, partners are doing, which is how the the kid is it takes care of Piro. See. Is it that, or is it that the people down below could make the people above hear because they were good. The idea was droll. Yeah, the idea was to do that, but because it was a band of forever's and I think it's okay for him to have like mystery about how did this work. Like at the the honest trailer was like this. L's all these questions that like runs through, all these questions that, like, how would you answer these questions at right? What if the what if the sun is also switched? I don't have that. I say, I don't...

...think he is either, but that was definitely a thought I had, because the sun is visibly scarred under the mask. Yeah, right, but I'm curious as if like something happened, and also because he's scarred. That's why he can't talk anymore. And also there was a certain level in which, like, he couldn't remember how the toy were that he hadn't used for years. Also, he could not snap and beat just like red his mother. Yeah, couldn't, just kind of showing that he doesn't belong there. Also, I remember learning that it they were created to be able to control the people up top, and so if you notice, like the sun immediately notices that it's a trap, he's also the first person to realize who they are, like when they're there, he's like there's us. Yeah, and also then at the end he's the one that knows that, like, if he backs up and things like that, like right, the other will follow, and that's how he kills them. So I don't know, those are just some thoughts. I don't know exactly where I stand, but I potentially think that the sun was swapped because then also, why doesn't Adelaide kill him when he takes him, because that's originally who she right gave first he yeah, he does, and then he does latch onto the sun. It's a good when would they when would they switch, though? When? I don't know. Dan, people on the podcast answer these questions. Now we'll tweet it. Will tweet him. Hey, Jordan, Jordan being into this, least join us. All right, so here's so here's the honest. Trailers break down all the questions about the about the tethered baston's. Why is there a tethered for everyone in America? How is there enough space underground for them? And the people must have known about these experiments. How did no one find out of the last thirty years purely they were using an electricity, water and raw materials to raise some red flags. Can the tailor control the rections independently or not? If not, how are they executing his complicated plan? If so, why they bothers staying on the ground? Did the people who make the t other for get to lock the door in the way out? And they have the same body type is are double. Their diet is one hunders rebbit EA, the to the bit the rabbits. But the rabbits eat really get thousands, about millions of red season scissors. Really, we queat everything this well, repsually like classers. Always what a people lived. They part of the least. I think. The vertical differences are there iss piles of Google tunnel. When us to your tethering tryouts on the country, think is waiting the border to keep leaning, while the character what's your tether, insipily the courts. We die smiling's voice when eptelling Pales. Just need to pick the pretty premix about five on it just where you wat it so well. I mean I feel like also, this movie was definitely a commentary on like America. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, because it was supposed to be like a government thing and I feel like that's also why red is like we need to drive to Mexico, like we need to leave the country, right, and I think there's also just even that aspect of like who are you, and like it's like we're American. Yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, and it yeah. So I think if you compare it estions, you can have yeah, I think if you compare it to get out Jordan, you'll expanded his vision. HMM, and because of that you end up with some some plot holes, but you know, those aren't those don't matter in the long run. Yeah, so I get out as much tighter focused film about like one family, one area and the crazy stuff that was happening there. And this is about like this is happening across the nation, right. So the he expand the scope much bigger. I think it works really well. You did a really good job of showing us like this is what's happening everywhere within the realm of this one family and the special thing. And so, you know, I I think, I think again it was it's not completely clear, but I think Adelaide implies that because she wasn't she was and above ground person. She was able to help the other tethered break the control, because she was like they knew I was a special obviously special because she wasn't originally a tethered when I think it's also because, like, that's why red's dancing career peaked at fourteen, because it doesn't belong there. She can't even snap in Rhad them and so, and that's why, when they saw her dance, they realized she was special because she could dance in rhythm and she could dance so many things. I'm yeah, it was. It was really good, and that's when I would definitely, definitely be happy to go readaus. Oh, yeah, totally worth it. Yeah, of the five, candy man and well, Tuckerndale's just a great movie, but I wouldn't put it in a hori genre. Put in comedy, you have to be able to stomach Gore, right. Yeah, yeah, reasonable. But canny man and us were both are really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody, everybody was great. I'm the first time I saw us, the one thing I took away from it walking away was wow, I'm really glad that he is handling the twilight zone and I know, I know people have e clained about it, have been grumpy about it, but I don't think they understand what he's and again you've you're always going to have people like Oh, with the origin was so much better. It was like, yeah, it's because you're the one, that's the one that you are nostalgic for, and that's fine, but because I, while I enjoy the twilight zone a lot, I have no nostalgia for it because it wasn't something that grew up watching. And you know, and having watched all of his twilight zone episodes, I am very, very impressed with what he's done and like the camp, he still he'd still does his social commentary. Yeah, and I think that's what makes his his films not just good science fiction, but I...

...mean good science fiction also commentates on it's a commentary on the world. It's it was such an interesting pivot for him. But when I you know, when I analyze it, actually makes a ton of sense. Right, he was a huge nerd, so he's got this no offense. He's you know, he's got this. He's got this depth of knowledge about sci fi and all these genres. Right, you do comedy and comedy is very good at touching on real issues and, you know, using comedy and exaggeration to highlight social issues. Comedy, commedity, been doing that for years, for decades, right, it's and and you know, comedy also often draws on darker aspects of things. Sure, for a laugh, right, but it's not too much of a stretch to take that and just make it to emphasize the horror of it instead of instead of ups making it absurd for a laugh. So so, when I think about it, like the pivot actually a kind of makes sense. He's a brilliant, brilliant director, writer, producer. I'm so excited to see all and work is wife, Chelsea Peretti, is amazing. On Brooklyn Nine. Really, she's Gina on Brooklyn night. What I did not know he was married to her. Right, kidding, right, and I'm like, what shutter kind funniest kids? Oh my gosh, I hadn't no idea he was one of the children. Already Thought, oh my gosh, can wee Jordan and Chelsea, please invite us to dinner. We love both of you very much. Maybe when Coronas over her. Yeah, maybe easier socially distance. Outside dinner we talked all about all. I'll make it, I will cook it. Oh, whatever you like, whatever you want, y'all look for a treat, all right. So let's let's last thoughts on us. I thought it was great and now again, I think you may have sold me on on watching horror. Yeah, US is it might be my my gosh, it's so close between like us and knives out, but I feel like I love them both equally, but they do completely different things and so I find it hard to rank them. But US is definitely one of the most important that this last year and I cannot recommended it enough. I had been wanting to watch it, and so I'm glad, like literally, I remember bringing it up with people and being like can we watch us, and I had people literally be like this is us, no, that's different, things like that. No, no, that was the first soundtrack I found. Yeah, that I'm so glad that I finally not to watch it. I'm just yeah, because I saw get out and I thought that this, I thought the US was scarier than get out. Yeah, yeah, definitely for sure. I've none of other people who did not feel the same. I mean I never felt like either of them were super, super scary, but there is definitely a lot in it. It's like, oh my gosh, that freaks me out. Okay, well, let's be fair. If we're being real, you can play that song over like my little prenies, and I will probably be scared. Okay, I'M gonna I'm gonna make that now. I'm gonna find that. No, I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna go you further. I'M gonna be like it Jelly gummy bears or like tell a tubby's bubble guppies. I don't know what that is. So little kid show. I think you're right. Bright. Yeah, well, guys, and just put the put horror music over it. This is my new youtube series. Do not steal. That's why I again, like I said, like it's the sound of things that gets me, and not even necessarily the sound of like the action, but the music along with it. That's why I really want to watch the birds, because I know it did the hitchcock one. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's great ful. I've heard it sex. Yeah, hitchcock is a good director. Yeah, apparently he was a bit of an ass. A bit of an ASS isn't understate. Yeah, yeah, he was kind of terrible human. Yeah. Yeah, she's unfortunate, because I love his work. Yeah, drives me nuts. Yeah, I feel like the a lot of the the older really good directors were like insane people that probably shouldn't have been allowed to work. Had really created direction, but we're miserable to work with like Kubrick and hitchcock. Yeah, that's why I like when that music came on, I just immediately just uneasy when it's even similarly with have you guys seen sinister? I have not seen sinister. So in sinister a big aspect is he's watching films on like this very old eight track, and so the sound of like films on nature. I'm may be saying say eight track was like a big cassette take with eight tracks on it. Okay, seem on that, but whatever, not that LASERDISC BEATA Max. Okay, our younger audience, if there are any, are not going to have no idea what you yeah, well, I'm ten years older than Hank and I five years older than you. So anyway, sinister, yes, but yeah, the it's just this, like it's that looking where you like. It's it's the roles, like the films that yeah, stuff, and it's just like that clicking and he cood yeah, and basically he's seeing like films of the murders of these families, Oh yeah, and stuff like that. But so, like, I watched it was like one of my neighbors and all that stuff, and just like the sound of that, like the gang. It gets me a little bit, but like it freaks her out that randomly, whenever I'm...

...around her, I'll just like play that, and so I think it's just so interesting how sound effects. Oh yeah, at that was honestly one of the reasons, one of the things that made lepicon by far the worst was the audio was terrible. And yes, like the words weren't seeking up right. Yeah, but, yeah, I did like Jennifer and has some shorts, though, oh my gosh. Oh, when Zoop I noticed there were a lot of shoe shots in the foot fetish. But even before that's revealed, like you get a shot of Jennifer Aniston wearing red slouch shocks and La gear high tops and I was like, I would have killed for those shoes when I was said that, you know, but I, yeah, I told had a pair of La gear sneakers and I definitely wore some slough shocks back in the day. Watch. Yeah, anyway, I just I just like cackled. But yeah, so those were five horror movies that we watch this horse season. Definitely I would recommend all of them, except Lepricaon, although it's it's not like an unpleasant movie, it's just bad. So yeah, yeah, you get some friends and do like a mystery science theater style thing. I think, like a drinking game to it. I think when we find every time they'll Africa on accents every time. More we're Davis Saxon slips, you'll be smashed every time. Shoes are like anytime they focus on somebody shoes, think the shoe, you'll die. Take a drink and not I yeah's toxic masculine. All right. Well, yeah, so, so those are some some things you can do this Halloween season. Yeah, so let's let's wrap up, wrap up real quick. What do you think the next next couple? Obviously we got to watch the Vich the because I forgot to do that, bummer. So what else? What else do you think we should write into? Well, I mean a real we stick if we did another horror episode. Yeah, if we were to do another horror episode, maybe in like three four months. We have noticeably not watched any west Craven. So, okay, I gone to watch some nightmare in ELM street, I would say, either nightmare and industry and or screen. Okay, because they're in being ready to do another screen film. Yeah, I just recently watched all of those. So their scream apparently also ruined the horror genre for a while. Actually, I would say scream brought it back out of back. Yes, because it was. It was. It's kind of in that same Venus cabin in the woods where you got like them, the more parody. But it's very selfaware. I actually really, really like how they break everything down for you, like these are the rules of horror movies. And then and then, yeah, second one. They're like, oh well, the sequel will do this. Yeah, we're very selfaware, right. But they also gave so they did reinvigorate the horror genre, but they also gave rise to the whole scary movie and all those, yes, I think, really trash. Well, I heard movies, so I've never seen any of the scary movies, but I find it interesting that someone thought it was a good idea to have a parody movie about a movie that parodies horror movies. Right, it's like that's kind of interesting, also weird, but, you know, little too far removed. Yeah, I mean personally I thought all the screen films were hilarious anyway. But yeah, I would say we have noticeably avoided West Craven. So I think that, I mean not intentionally, not not, not, not intentionally, but I think, you know, his stuff is definitely worth why? I will say I don't think I will I care to watch any of the SAWS or hostil any of that. I know I'm so no. I personally can't watch stuff like that. So I like don't want to watch it. But then I have in college eied a roommate that Halloween was her favorite holiday and so she definitely just had horror movies playing constantly during the month of October and at one point it was all of the Sol movies and while I was trying to sit on my bed doing homework, let's be real, I could not focus on it at all and I ended up watching them. How do you guys feel about like, I don't know, sinister or the conjuring or like activity? I was like that I've never actually seen any of the conjuring movies except the non and okay. Yeah, and I think I've only seen the conjury. I'm it actually made me interested to go back and watch those just because I know the people they're based on are real people. That's also they're also the people who kind of did be Amityville horror, did the whole thing that the Amitieville horror would have. What is that that film is based on? But I think that's interesting. I think that gives an interesting aspect. I've never seen any the paranormal activity. I have an ether films, but are aren't they like they're they're kind of like sound footage stuff, right. So, yeah, a lot of them are. A paranormal was as well. I know apparently, apparently IUS I heard it. I was look to a podcast that was talking about paranormal activity. Apparently there's a movie called paranormal entity. It is a different movie and a much, much worse movie that you should not watch, not because the guy was like people was trying to talk about with a friend was...

...like, yeah, I just thought that this one was one scene was like two of the top and nasty and like that didn't happen in the movie. Look, what did I watch? I personally really like sinister. Okay, I'M NOT gonna U it's a I don't like her. To me, I really don't know anything other than what you just described it. I think we should watch the wicker man. No, no, no, the Nicholas Cage wicker man. Okay, I have seen both the original and the new one and I wanted to know to boats. I really want to watch. What about like a page wicker man? I mean in these would be longer things, but would we ever want to incorporate like haunting it hill house, or like a series, like the series or the Hunting at Hill House movie? was there is a move? There's a movie there. I think there's two. So you meant the series, the new series that I have not watched, but I've heard, fear, very good things. Yes, I watched haunting of Hill House and I've currently watching haunting a blind manner, or Hank Hill. He just wanted to sell propane and propan accessories and now it's got goes. You know, I would be like that, well, goes better get on my house. Tell you what. So I tend to lean more towards like classic horror. I've got a big gap in like the s of the S R stuff. I mean this kind of helped a little bit, right. Have Y'all ever watched any of David Kronenberg's work? I want to watch the thing. Let's put the thing on there. That's John Harper, right, but it's very quotumber. Guess which one's the thing that I've definitely seen. Antarctica. SHAPESHIFTER it's basically among us. The movie. Yeah, it's really good, but it yeah, one point the things sprouts legs and it looks like a spider. I'm not a fan. Yeah, again, spiders get me, dudes. So we should not watch eight legged freaks. Got It. What the ha ha. That's a movie that came out when I was like in the Middle School, in high school. Maybe I've never seen it, but that's all I think about whenever you talk about how you actually this is literally Sarah's reaction when you said that maybe we should watch rolls too. So those troll movies are supposed to be really funny. Yeah, that, this is. This is this is so it's like that. It's like trolls that like turn people into vegetables and eat them, like they turned. And so this guy was watching like gooey green plant stuff, not like like how you turned into into Brussel sprout suck a. They watch me. Spills started. Oh that got dark. But but literally it's got some of the worst acting ever. So they're like they turn this girl into a into plant motion, they're eating her. This guy's watching it says they ate her and then they're going to eat me. I just like shaking his head as it zooms into his face slowly. It's is it because they're like vegetarian that they feel better about themselves? I can hear you into their vegetarian trolls. So they turn you into a plant before they e I think I could be wrong on that point. But so do you really vegetarian? So so good question. Apparently so Christian singer Songwriter Andrew Peterson, a few years ago, when he was doing his behold the lamb of God tour, which is this Christmas tour they does every year with a bunch of different artists, apparently became a thing on the tour bus to watch and Rewatch troll too, and they kept tweeting about how they were watching troll to again on the tour bus and the at the guy who is the troll and troll to tweeted them and showed up to their shot and so they got to meet him. This was like maybe twenty eleven, two thousand and twelve, I. But yeah, it was really fun. That's pretty it's pretty cool. Yeah, I but I was bringing up David Cronenberg because David Cronenberg is the king of body horror, right, but he is not. Did he do Um of the society? Did He do society? Um, I'm not sure. That had some weird that has like a weird scene where like a bunch of bodies just like fuse together. It might have been like a screaming Matt George thing. The Society's name of the film that you're talking about? It's called, I think it's just called society. Oh, just society. Hope, please. I will look. But the really the reason I bring up David Kronenberg is because, yes, he is the king of body horror, but his the way he uses for and disturbing body horror images, it actually serves a narrative functions. I actually think his work is very interesting because of that. Know that director was Brian. Yes, no, he's not yet. He's. No, sorry, you did re animator maybe. Oh, I watched re animator somewhat recently, and I mean I get why people like it, but it was definitely not my pretty it was not for me. So what did Cronenberg do? So Cronenberg, he is probably best known for scanners and Oh yeah, where the duke head explodes. Yes, and they literally like got a watermelon shot at with shotgun. Yeah, I mean I've seen that scene. It's kind of iconic. They took a watermelon and like covered it with up like a mission impossible to skin mask thing but looks like an old dudes head, and they literally took a shotgun and shot it in the back, like where the back of the head would be, and so the watermelon just explode.

So those dudes head, it looks like a dude's head just completely exploded. Yeah, it's kind that it's kind of the scene he's most infamous for, but scanners actually is probably the least body horror of all that his films. Ironically enough, videodrome is there the one he's probably best known for. It's a really interesting like cyberpunk type film. I think his work is really fascinating and the main reason that he kind of came on my radar is because scanners is one of the films that strangers things draws from. Yeah, so the the whole nosebleed thing when eleven uses her powers in scanners. The people who get who get scanned. So they, the scanners, are people who have power similar to eleven. It's not necessarily they can move stuff with their mind, but you can like they can like kind of blow people's heads up. Yeah, that's absolutely if somebody starts scanning you, your no starts bleeding and and there's there is a scene towards the end of scanners that is mirrored in the first season of stranger things where they're having the face off in the middle school between Dr Brenner and his man and the dimmig organ right where they're kind of stuck in the middle of all of that. That that scene is as straight out of scanners. Nice, all right. So, so we got some more stuff on. So so I would recommend Crona bird with a grain of salt, but if we were going to watch a Kronerberg film, I would probably say scanners. Yeah, but I think, I think of the ones we watched, I don't know if I could choose between us and candy make, because they did they were very different movies. Yeah, I like them both, ball great, great films. A lot for the score. I mean I did like, I really do like the US original, but man, that Philip Glass for it's just it's awesome. I could go I could just listen to that. It's yeah, that's some that's some good music. Spoiler. Aler candy man and US show up on my Halloween Party playlist. He's lying. It's literally just bookie scary skeletons over and over again on loop. That's the thing. Away. How old already does that like song come up? Uh No, this is like seven and a half hours long. We're probably having a really low chance of getting to that, and that's the only song from us I put on there. Okay, yeah, mwam right. Do we know me and we know my luck. Let's be real. It Hang, it's gonna have this on like porny drink and I just like drop it. Okay, and then it gets to the percussion part and I'm like all right, all right, and we got over two hours. Let's go ahead and wrap this bad boy up. Sarah Ashley, thank you for joining me. Yeah, and watching these movies. Sarah, would you like to give people information so they can contact you, or do you care? No one actually listens to the show, so no one's actually going to contact or what kind of information do you give twitter? Do you tweet or instect? I have a twitter, but I don't know the last time I used it. Perfect. If you want to sponsor Sarah and support her. Yeah, as I work for a church, please disregard the fact that I said fought many times. If edited, they won't know what you said. Perspective, we get to say the occasional swear word. I'm definitely not just gonna just gonna go in and Amplihi. So please destroy every time I said I mean, if you want to follow me on Instagram, I am Sara Bear Dot Henry. So Sa r Beaar Henry you like. My twitter is honestly, probably similar to potentially I am also hank. I was referred to as Hank many times. Yeah, just to be cleared during this, you know what my last name is, Thomas. Nobody calls me Tom So. I'm sorry for you know, it's fine. That's fine. I just think find it a music. Anyway, if you want to get in touch with me, you can tweet me at the nerdy blogger. You can like my facebook page at facebookcom the nerdy blogger. You can read my blog nerdy blogging dot wordpresscom. You can also follow my work on Fang Girl ishcom, where I have a weekly column called way back Wednesday, where review one retro film a week. I'm also covering star Direk, discovery and the Mandalorian this year, so tune in for mine. That's next Friday. My Gosh, week from today. We going to be freaking out. All right. You can also read my work and hear me on Pop Culture Retro Ramacom. I'm also regular contributed to Pop Culture Ritro Rama podcast. I am just at Holy Goalm but I also have a cooking show on Youtube, the K V kitchen chemists. Check us out on Facebook, facebookcom group the kitchen chemist. We have twitter, we have instad we have emails. Are All kitchen chemists, like all it's like kitchen insteads kitchen chemist. Y Tea twitter is kitchen chem yta email is the real kitchen chemist at Gmail. But yeah, we we just got an episode going up tomorrow as of our recording of the pringles, which...

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