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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 18 · 9 months ago

HORROR 2.0

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Halloween came late last year (or early this year), thanks Rona! Ashley, Nathanael, and Special Guest Sarah "Hank" Henry discuss 5 horror films! Ashley came for you, Sarah will bounce back in no time, and Nathanael blames this whole thing on you!

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I really did it: Thebut Yeah Candy Man. So can n onethousand nine hundred and Ninty two Tony Todd and other people, VanissaMadson, you might know from David Lynch's doome. She was in some startrek to and she was also in something else I watched recently, but I'mblanking on what it is yeah, but that the intra was yeah so candyman, eventhough I think us was like a better movie. There were some things in usthat was like this kind of is messing with the tone that they're going for alittle bit, which Aon when we talk about US I'll talk about that. But canmen thought I had a really consistent tone all the way through? I actuallyreally really enjoyed it. I hear the sequels are not as good but di youthink about the cany man. I really liked it. I also sound is a big thingfor me when I watch for movies. Something that's really weird justabout me in general is the fact that, like if I'm watching a more movie, Ican see whatever is going on, but I don't want to hear it like hearing. Itis what will freak me out so not watch the Teo Texas Chanon massager in atheater. I honestly don't really like watching horror movies in theaters ingeneral, because I, like safety of being able to like hidebehind the cash my blanket or like making the excuse of like Oh. I have tobe like just to remind myself that I do not live in whatever storyline isoccurring Dedi. Why? But is it also bad that I was likewaiting for a really creepy version of like the Candy Man Song to come on? Oh,like yeah, Anema Yeah, I'm waiting for that like the entire time yeah. It isinteresting that that it never goes there. I've been, obviously it's notconnected at all. Frankly, I'm very glad yeah cause mk e, angry Wulr, thetone, but so candyman refront down it's kind of like a bloody marry legendbased on a book like my Parker Right. Where there's this, there was a black man who was in love withsomeone and ended up getting winched for it and the way they lynched him wasthey chopped his hand off, and thenthecaushe was an artist because he was an artist and they covered him in honeyand sick. The bees on him- oh, that's what I mean to get the North Oprr. Thatwould have been the priate use of not the bees yeah, but now that don'tactually show this. I think I think in later Doneinti in the second movie.They actually do a flashback yeah and you get to see so so in this one. Theyjust set it up, as as just a urban legend that these two women areinvestigating to write a paper on Bokh legends and when, when Vanessa, I can'trmemer any of the characters named Venisan Madsin yeaher excuse me or no,he ors hat was heur friend, Yeah Helen Oln, yeah, soan Hellen walks into theyeah, I'm so bad wit, carier names, VirginiaMadson is Helen. Her friend is Bernadett, who's played Bak CassiLemons and she actually did that new series with Otavia Spencer. She wasalso the director of Harriet, okay, and she was also in sounds of the windswhich we talked about on our last Horor podcast. Also next, but so I have a note here that I haveto like retract okay, because dshe walks into that lecture hole like rightas it's like lunchtime, and I was like she just walked inthe lecture right ashe ended. I was likeall indignant but turns out. She wasn't extutay takingthe class he's the girlfriend or wife of the professor. So I had to retrect thatstatement, but she ends up investgiting. This thing, where you say: CANNYMAN'sname five times in the mirror, things happen, and it is not. No okay, we'regoing to spoil every single one of these movies. Although lepocon nothingis poile, but it's not until forty five minutes or fifty minutes in until youactually see Tony Todd as the candy man becaus up until that point is just a anurban legend. They find out from from one of the mainance, the the facilities staff thatwho neknew someone who heard about the candy man and got killed like Sai.There were someone in the walls and they go investgatits soin this in theprojects chids are getting beat up in a in like a bathroom, yeah, Byas they've.Now turned this like legend of the cand and into like this group goes in andthey have like a Hook: Yeah O that they'll use and and they just like yeahI in the ideas it just like, like the fuck yeah they just like, beat her up,but but she's been. She had these like weird hallucination things bith likeYoin, the toy, an thereors, a bunch of bees and if you're, if you have issueswith a lot of insects, that I don't reommend, you watch this movie, but forty five minutes in and it stillcould just be an our relegend right and then she had said anyman in the mirror. Five Yeah. Shesaid: that's that's what she she and Bernadette were both we're both doingit, and then they say it four times and then they and then they stop and andthat's when this Wa and then she says...

...at the fifth time, yeah and thennothing happens, but they also didn't turn out the lights. Everyone else hadturned out the lights afterwards, true and then true, but but it's like afterafter this whole thing was, gets resolved with, like the police, arrest,the guy and then she's walking in the parking lot and then Tony Top justshows up and I's like B my victim n, oh my goshis voice, oholy grabit' sliketerrify like he has such a fantastic voice and also like, but his boorpresence JI me now. What I really love about this is whenever he shows up. Shelike goes into a trance right, yeah. She blacks out yeah. They actuallyhypnotized her. That's what I was goingto be yeah. I D know that so sothey aactually andit was like, like two thirds of the way through filming untilshe was like this is like they would film, and she wouldn't remember themfill me to be like okay. We can't do this anymore, yeahat yeah, when it looks like she'szonged, because she's actually zonged yeah. They found out ways they likewent to a hypnotist and then found out ways that they could hypnotize ouronset to make. It seem more realistic, yeah, and so that's actually it wassuccessful. Yeah. I think that's one of the things this and us, I think, havethe best tones because the actors went like above and beyond, O absolutly inportraying the characters they were supposed to. Portraying also did youknow with the bees like they used real, Oh yeah thes. I dad that didn't toy Tokthat Sfung a lot Ri. Now he asked that they get, I think, a thousand dollarsfor every be sting yeah. That happened and he was stung over like twenty threetimes, Yeah Yeah it', your Monis worth tell Yeah Oit's, pretty smart, yeah,yeah, there's so much. I really love about this film, so I got really lucky the first time Isaw this movie was last year at the Eirsley grand down in South Charlotte,so I got to see it in the theater the first time I saw it, and this is areally cool one to see in the theater, because the just the score is soimmaculate. It's one of my favorite movie scores ever, but also just getting to like hear that terrifyingand beautiful voice. Yeah yeah, I see whyt. You would wantto hide under a blanket for that. Oneank Yeah Wland, just even the things hesays, you can have like a freaky voice and did not really bee much amazing,but I don't know why. But him saying like be my victim reaked me out yeah. Ithink it's also I' mentioned this Ashley before, like scary movies, wherethe evil or the bad guy is very onfident in getting their victim likeReddy Cruger Itwas, like we just wove on a Broan don us like like movies, where they're notrunning to chase them but mom gang you K, like Michael Myer, I an my tofor, sohe's cheating a little bit. Those freak me out because there's justthis level of like they don't appear frantic either like and I'll, get tothat even W in us. When we talk about that one more but like just thisconfidence of like I don't need to run and chase you like, I know I'll get you,and so just the fact that he's there and he's just like be my victim likeit's like: Okay, Ma, I'm good, yeah and then, butand from that. So it's like forty, it's what it's an hour and forty minutes.The forty five minutes in candoman first shows up and then things just godownhill so fast because he starts gaslating, her ut. She want she blacksout and then she wakes up in a puddle of blood and I thought she killed. Ithought she had killed the baby at first. Oh, yes, SAG it turns out. Shehad just killed the dog right, but that baby is don yeah, but the baby's goneand so that he gets arrestd by the police. And you know all this ishappening and his her husband is clearly having an affair which is likehe doesn't pick up. The phone ran it worse, but I there yeah there's thebuildup of her slowly like sinking into badness of like what is happening, andit's pretty. I mean it's pretty uncomfortable that if you think about you, know, t thegender dynamic of this gy. So I mean okay he's a super, no he'ssupernaturally braming, her fror murder, that's like a little outside of thepurview of most people, but it's thust. It's this kind of thing where nobodybelieves herecause. All the evidence is stacked against her aand. Nobody elsecan see her, so he ends have been the psych ward and then my I think myfavorite sceme was when the guys do the psychoval and he's sitting at his deskand she's like I'll. Prove it to you I'll, bring him here right now and shelooks the mirror and says canyman five times and then like nothing happens forlike three minutes and then then dude just get shivped in the back right. TheHook and Tony Todd shows up. Canyman shows up on research, praighs and thenheats himself backwards out the window. It's such a CIC, though you can see.You can clearly see the strings. It's...

...such a cool shot. I love that. Itotally missed the strings because I was AA goingto shock. I was not paingenough. Ade yeaht right, but it is such any like they actually did. That stunn,like Tony Tog, did that stun that's t's, SUC EOL he's such a bad ait Oto.Nowhere he just they're just like staying there, the all thistention theyjust like see you. You know like what whon I I didn't know how to feel about himlike letting her out of their strengths, because part of me wanted people tocome in, see that like em therapist was dead, e see that she was stillrestrained and that it couldn't have been heard right and see that, like thewindow, was smashed right granted, that's just not how the movie'ssupposed to go right right, but I mean his whole. His whole thing is he's kindof forcing her into a corner where the only thing e, the only option she hasleft is to be be. His is victim right, yeah well, and that dynamic is sointeresting because she's such like a doppl hanger for love m. So you WHII,don't really export too too much right, but she see I mean when they see it inthe murals right, like the the s resemblance is prespriking yeah h. Thatwas just there's so much. I really really enjoy about the film, and youknow I've only seen e the second film in the trilogy. Aside from you knowthis first one, but it's it actually adds like an interesting, dynamic Lal.You get more backstory to the character, and I mean honestly, even with onlyjust watching this first film. I think the candy man is probably the mostsympathetic or ofvelin MMM. It's me it feels like. If holes was a horror movie,I have never seen or red holes really yeah. It's got that similar flashbackystory, but T it's not heartwarming and uplifting. It's just what, if hebehimea what? If Gus became a horror on, I mean Delay Hill by COM, Gusso yeah 's,like yeah yeah, you should read, we should both read and watch it. Therehat's a good o, skanish good iactualy just said she had never so inow. It's agood book. It's funny reading the book because right and he's actually like afat kid and then he ends up really skinny, because he hask the dig holesall day and then just straight up CAS Shilam, yeah, Likx, buffes. Never fact on that oactual Cannibal Shil buathe extended version is wait. He'sn't, dead, Shya,surprise, like trek sisidetrack. How can you dothis wee ei? Would I would never side check absl for me, Arabbit trail andterly debated, ohHerio. I think I bout my kid as this one. I came for you there. It is I now whe. I feel I ull sometime time, I'm just oer Youre freaking out inside. Oh, it's so good, but man yeah. So theending of the movie I thought was I it's a little kind of all over theplace, but I really loved it right. She ends up. crowling quote: UNQUOTE:Killing candymen saving the baby, but she gets burned up and dies in theprocess, and then she becomes a candy man. I thought it was really cool rightright. I yeah, I fully admit to cackling in the theatr yeah. Just because I'm like I'm sorry,you are Dick weme go tha, Eri, Chen son of Y gun. You deserve that yeah. So, atthe end, then he's looking he's in the bathroom he's like Loki kind of cryingabout her yeah yeah he' Tor up a little better Namyeah, but he says it fivetimes. I know in the mirror and I' just sitting there, and I was like no, youdon't noin o know, whato and well. She shows up and I was likeyeap yeahwell. You did now so you guys mentioned the possibleWhite Savior implications, ofpercentin the baby, but honestly I think tha theending where it's for funeral and there's likenobody there and then the whole community from the project shows up tome that wasn't like a white savior thing that was like a the people. Theprojects got that it was the candy man Yeah Hea. No ones hat ar funerals cous,everyone thought she was just arrange: murder, thats having to die in abonfire and the people in the rojects recognized. Oh No, it was the candy man,the only ones that actually maleve her yeah, actually exacize what's happeningexactly so. That's that's like Postu as vindication for her story. Tbat therewere people that believed her. So I didn't. I don't. I didn't feel a wholewhite bit savor complex thing, because he wasn't really the hero of the story.Right I mean she was almost I mean she was a tragic figure as well. Bu I mean with with the whole candyman story,it's nothing but a a series of tragiic right right. I feel bad for Benadett,I'm just like Yeah Ove. Here, like I yeah the best friend, that's like girl,I'm here for you what's going on, and...

...then you just get murdered, yeah, noyeah yeah, and if you you know, any listeners havedearly debated. If you feel differently, you know full disclosure. None of usare people of Color. So it would be helpful to hear yourthoughts on this as well. You know re other things were missing just becausehe white yeah well, yeah. Definitely I mean I thought it was really good. Imean it had. The the racial commentary was much more visual than anything elseright, but they did, I mean they did mention like after she gets beat up andthey arrest the guy they're just walking heaven catchin conversation.She says Helen says there are two: no two brutan murders have occurred yeahand they please did nothing and then a white woman gets beat up and nowthey've walked it all down right yeah. So I think they did have socialcommentary in there and I thought it was. I thought it was good yeah I wassurprised and like like, I was happy that that part was in there right Y. Ah,I forgott, but at the same time I don't know that that was the main point ofthe movie. It might have been right, I think, was kind of an undercurrent thatthey because of how these ow everything was franed. They ended up doing thatwhich I enjoyed it here. Go, let me let me Defang wet me. DFANG candymen foryou, she can sleep ye here night oi came for you, Noway, don't worry Montramaan many Sapagoing to protect you all right, so katy man I thoroughlyenjoyed it and man. The score is so good and the organs, the soaring organjust workd, so well with all the imagery. I thought it was pasedperfectly like a lot of these movies. I thought had some pacing issues, butthis one I thought didn't it is like this really so a billvery like is candyman real or not, and then it's like, Oh, my God, he's real okay. So let me justread some of my notes, though forty five minutes OSHEA ITS ON. Why grab theknife right so she ends up. She finds like she'sin, the pool blood, an dogand she grabs the butcher n Nih with blood on I like okay yeah, I o you're,not thinking but that's stupid, okay, but at was e at first. I was like. Whyare you grabbing that? But then another part was like she hers screaming she'scovered in blood. is she going to need to protect herself yeah? I thought thatas well, but as soon as she saw, the other person should have droppd theknife and she didn't and then Oh damn they killed the dog can't e Mak GasLighting, though Oh the news reporter. I don't know if you guys notice this,but when day when, like right after the she gets arrested, there's a newsreporter talking about the incidents and this person misread their script.So bad it was so bad. Sorry doyou think just grab like a random muck off thestreet and say hey read this e wil is so outo place. Harrible it was so itwas yeah. It was so random t when she comes on is like, and this event islike happen, it' soslike and she stutters and repeats lines and then I'like what is happening so l Hee reporter is played by someone namedMika or Mica Mi Ka Michae. That was not your best effor yeah. Then I havereferring to his husband. He hold her and then Tony Todd, hot dam of thewindow got damn great ending. That was this. My strut of consciousnesswatching that movie, the that that window scene is just so good yeah. Thatwas the so so many things I really enjoy about that film yeah. I got tointroduce Ryan to Candyman, maybe a month and a half ago, and he was likeThar movie was amazing. Tony Tord is terrifying. Yeah he's awesome and Itweeted that, and I tagg Tony Tot and he replied- enjoy yeah he's like superactive. Listen, you Havtau Back Rronsecond andI don't think you understood iik out. I saw you. I saw you covering your face. Yeah Tony Tod is super active ontwitter. So if you s like a really cool guy to, if you, if you tweet Hay Dude,I just watch canndyman. For the first time he will say cool beans, somethingI'm definitely I'm definitely when, whenever I edid this episode, eventhough I' got thre otherbecause as what happened at I yet, Oh my God so so camein excellent, definitely watch it, which brings us to the worst one. Well,just real quick before we shift ony forwe shoul way final fouht on. Sothere is going to be a candy man. Film is supposed to be. It was supposed tobe released this year and then not push back, isn't Jon peal doing Jordan. Peel,I believe, is producing it, but it's directed by NEADACOSTA NEA te cost asalso going to be directing Captain Marbele to- and I as so excited aboutthat. But but you K we'll talk about this more when we come to Halloween,tousand and eighteen, but this candy man kind of ignores cannyman two indcandeman three and is more of a spiritual sequel to the original film,and so the League character in that is Anthony The little baby that VirginiaMadsin pulled out of Oyeah Okayoy tods...

...gonna con. I Yes, Tony Todd isreprising his role as the Candy Man Cocom and then th the lead that the guy who's playingthe lead in that hang on. He was in something else. I washe recently he'sreally good. So I apologize because I'm probably going to butcher this nameYeah Y, Ah Adu Matin, the second yeah he o he was Manta in Akaman and hewascow a bar in watchman and he I don't know if youhave watched the newwatchman series, but he was freaking amazing in that, so I'm really excitedto watch him be Anthony in thisfilm ree. I have a cenclipere that says bouncdback and I don't know this is one yo click it a bous back no ti it's LeveGone Ogo yeah. So anyway, I'm really reallyhype to watch a candyman film directed by a black woman, Jordan Poso, so Jordan peele wrote thescreenplay along with needed to Costa, Win Rosenfeld and yeah, and so I wascurious if this was going t if this was based on another Clabe Barker Book. Butit looks like it's actually just based on the film sorry thank my Mike Oi but yeah anyway. This is going to bereally good and it's expected August, twenty seven, two thousand and twentyone. So Nice, alright yeah, I don't know I feel like I'm starting to getinto horror movies. Thanks. Actually you well, I gotta go watch these things,Yo wellreall yeah. I really reall enjoyd Canaman. I really really enjoyedus. I tell Yeu a good story is a good story: Howin twentyteen that that wasgood. I don't know. If I'd go back and Rewatch it, I would rewatch withKannyman and US Cool Okay Cam in done so let preconge Gold Ohi, it's a magicgreen bell. Oh my gosh, so we were talking before we startedrecording and I recently just watched all of friendsfor the first time over the summer. So I would' pass back no time. I went backand watched some of like the the actors earlier catalogs, specifically courtycocks, because I'm Monica Geller, if we're being real honest, but this is the first thing I've everseen: Jennifer Andiston Ind, besides friends and yeah, because I don't thinkI've ever seen anything else he's been in. But this was a year before friendsI was like man: girls got to eat caus. This movie was trash yeah yeah, so shewas like one of the only reasons like kept watching well and I really likewar with Davis, because I, though, where were Davis was the only get partof Ta Yeah, I say: Wor Davis is awesome. Also the guy who played Nathan played a card son in season, seven o next Gen.I was like this guy is familiar. WHYT. Do I know whos face? That's that's whyit was the next I watch anyway, so yeah so evercon see that the bucklesil be shoes. Why IV a LEFRICOM so Luficon, ninety three Warrick Davis,being the literal LEPROCON? It's got a pot of gold with apparently a hundredcoins in it. It opens with some drunk Irish, some dunk, a egrish guy. The oldgrady pulls up in Te Limo and is like look Wifi. I got I got gold for daysbecause I codtle UPPACON LEFK con shows ofans like no Sirr hills, the well okay. He doesn't actually kill thewife, the wife just like freaks out and trips own the stairs, so he technicallydid not kill her. I mean it was his fault, but he didn't it wasn't. It wasmanslaughter and not first degree. Yourlihe wouldn't have filled it. Oh,no, he would say the INTENTA, although he doesn't see Wel, say right: Hedidn't kill Ahis Vey, Ol graty. No, he didn't killOzzy Ozi, because het was like. I don't know where you goal dis he's likewhatever it isbut a grati O greaty like puts him in a box shoets him with ThaJack en her hi's going Ta Ham or something knocks thim out. Hat's goingTa box puts a Forley flover on the box because, apparently that's all it takesto stop. Alebrocon is one single for Le Lover, Yep yeah, true, and then he has a strokeand so its like ten years later, an Jennifer Anderston and her dad who'sagain, don't remember an character names. They show up to this cabinJennifer Anizon. I just have no rude AF Jennifer Aniston, like playing theBratdias Bratt. I was like Nan she's Rachel in this too bad that at the verybeginning I either wasn't paying attention enough or like. I was veryunsure whether or not it was her dad or like an older BOC, yeah eah. No, it'sher dead. I figured that out then, as I keptwatching, but that's why? Ben? When that other Honkecock yes, is there andis like painting, and I was like, would you really jus? I carry with him outright. You N your hello, Mr Toxic M, masculinity hi, so okay, so this is where my mind wentbecause again this movie was like the pacing on this movie was terrible. Wecompared to Cannyman Michini. His basic was like slow, methodical and stuffhappened right when you were startedg to calm down. That proproem was likenothing is happening and then something happen and then nothian happen. Tensomething AAND Teno. It was not well...

...paced, but right when they get to thecabin they walk in and there's just massive spider. Oh my gosh, I know- andI was like that's a Turantula and so that I looked up. I just wrote downarcharantulas indigenous to North Dakota, because hi mentioned they'reNorth Dakota right, and so I looke it up. The antwer is no that pider had nobusiness being there. I looked up what spiders are and they're all like thisbig they're. All like none of them get maio appreciate your commitment toscience. You int bother me. I was like Waimeat Ranchas Dontlantu Bi, thetrrantuls like warmaries, like Sho Rorth Arlina, an we know, they're alsoedible in Cambodi yeah, they're dok. Right now. I've watched a video aaone.No thank you. I you going but like I'm terrified, Oh Aso, let's be retold. Thestory t is the spider. Like came on the screen, I was Loky done at that I lillywatchit on my laptop and I tilted it up and what I don't like is the atleggedbuworks SPIDERSPO. They Wat me to Tatat the that was the scariest part of the movie.For me, Yeah Anyay in this was supposed to be ahorror comedy because yeah, it's not it's zero. I also have that zeropercent horrific also I have Yik characterization and pacing so slowfootfenish. That was weird yeah. Like I mean it didn't even make sense like Idon't even think. That's like within Leprecon Lore that, like LevercondirHie, Aboutli, making Cillers yeah, I think whoever wrote it got it confusedwith the tail about the tailor that could tell by the FAIRI coer EELVYEASOI got to confuse theiratni was like don't remember, I don't Rmember Sai Patrick, sayinganything about Thisa, I'm just not not going to mention thatI play a character indd with an offensive. Irus accent. Well, so when the scene, where theLEPERCON opens he's looking for a snacty snack neck or looking for hisgoal or whatever, but he pulls out the box of Lucky clovers was like yeah, they went there b. What was absurd? What did the littleboy say at the end I frink o said Fi was like I'm using that phrase. Is Imost inly? I shock it's not on the sandboard I couldn't I didn't have timeI would hav GER Luky Chiler. I wanted to finish watching I wanthad to finishwatching us. No, it's fine! It's fine! I Yeah! I did not have time. I don'tknow what rating this podcast is because I just said ee and stop swearing. He has iopordsounds. I gress for us you're just getting normal weeks. You have to be onYohave to be on more than once. It's like, like Ffreeyou, got to be heremore than once ye your own swear sounds ID come back. If I was invited, I just love Jaki Simons. I need moreJaki Simmons on the SANBOARD. Hopefully Talk Abouta, we were talking about the yeah, so the best part of the movie waswhen he killd togeter the poger stick. So I just like so silly, my Goshwas, Ioh my God and ten, and then he said some sort of stupid, like jumping Ponafterwards bous back no time. Yes, IAS like Oh, my Gosh. They really Wenlike why we a to Hes, looks around and then grabs. He GFucki KS, slowly, the guys other coutjus, like the W L, Ele, rigt,ithout shs, just goingto leave him like injured on the ground, and then he getsa freaking pogo stick and I was like what Wha Ey and also the dudes face isall bloody rbut lobercon only jump on his chest Y for no reason e, I his hand g on hisFA. No, I assumed it was backsplash, it was t a it's, so it's that that islike the worst best moment of the movie CSE. It's like this is so stupid, butwhat other movie you're going to see a guy killed by Popostin like death byPogo, come on now iacomthat, so bad and honestly thatmovie just dragged yeah and like I was watching it while trying to getready this afternoon- and I was like seriously- this is is like. Are we doneyet? Also Greg would have wept, because the audio mixing is for sure it's so bad. I watched it on my phoneno headphones, so I yeah so so. The LEPS warwork Davis'svoice is not at the same level as...

...everyone else's and then there's likenine times with a little kids name Andy or something like that. Something likethat, the Little Kid who looks like a chucky doll like a live acton Chucky by.I noticed that that it was like they dressed him. An awful lot halike. My Buddy Alex is the name ofthe kid it's a magic greeinbow, but him and Ozzi were okay, although ozzy beingmentally deficient was a little weird. Obvly apparently comes back in the WOthousand and eighteen one LEPERCON returns, yeah acjust, Amera, prettysure someong gets killed with HA mailbox. In that one I've seen T, I'vealways saw the COKOS. The lepropon is one e where it gets better, not that itever gets great, but it gets better because they just like okay, we're justgoing to make as silly a movie as possible. Right like he goes to space,and then he goes to the hood and Yeah Yeah Yeah and they had his own wrapyeah it gets it gets, which I think we should go watch it. It gets rolled back.Okay legitimately, I would be interested in maybe watching them maybeis like a group. I woke up and OSOMOONTHAND. That was an interestingthing to watch AI watched Yeh. So yesterday I watchedyeah yesterday watch Halloween in Tuckerdale, and today I watchedlebricon first in the morning. Then candy man, then us so yeah that wasn'tit wasn't. Wasn't a great thing to do for thing in the morning Goi. Just Ijust wasted a hour and a half weird I just like woke up, grab my laptop andwas like all right time to watch LEPECON, and I was like it's too earlyfor them welthink about it. This way, your day only got better B, so that movie was not good yeah andBoye. Acting the acting was atrocious. I think, or Davis was trying, althoughhis accent kind of slips, yeah and audio mixing is all over the lay yeah.So when the kid Alex is like scramming around the barn muttering to himself,that is not what he is saying. It's completely. It's like clearlyseparately recorded audio, that's they dubbed over and it's bad and then thenay the shooman of the wellright. They find a forle clover, t the Shuman to the well and although okayYep h when he was driving his little truck right and got pulled t over, thatwas pretty funn, Didyou, okay, when he flips their car yeah by like iting itwith with tiny truck, and I was like that is not wouldn't happen. No He's magic, yeah, H, the same magic e.He had obtained like one gold coint at that point and there fore his magicheading but tely yes, but it's still stupid, Yeui no ID. He have allanunited that point in ninety get all the ones except the one Ozzi eight yeah yeah. He did that s like when theyfind it. He bites one and then he swallows it W. Yes, they they not goithe wel. He starts melting with man, those special effects, though theyknock hem in and he comes back out. Toxin messcuine comes rifle butsonhorse and gas and lights a match, fliks it in there and then there's a nuclearexplosionyeah Itak, your pardon. What were youkeeping in that? Well math, like Ao Waer from thecity. We don't want tomeet our wells just wastin space, let's build them at less kids. Make a wish Iwish for Meth. I got it hoviously. I don't know how much more Iget back about. This movie is terrible. You know you know it's one of thosewhere it's probably better watched as a group with alcoholic alcohol yeah likethat's what I'm saying is. I would definitely be down to watch the otherones because they sound utterly ridiculous. Yeah part of me honestlykind of wants to skip like two and three and just go straight to likeoutof space n Paceso Yeah. My understanding is one is probably theweakest one. Almost the reboot is like the LEPERCON origans one is like agritty reboot one. Why? What I watch that the whole point of Leftcun is thatit's absurd yeah, it's absert do fey. Okay, the line of Shamrock your WorldLoki makes me want to Wach Yeah onthat was that was like a return to form.They went back to right all right. Let's move on from that terrible movie,O another good movie, which I guess chronologically, we TopkerndalEckarendale versus evil. Two Thousand and twenty hats theactwe had e. So twodifferent thing: I got it right here. You are a goodlooking man more or less. You got a damn good heart too. We Nat two things right: there, Onputi Ist just be yeah, he's a he's, awonderful man he's so funny, yeah and so again, spoilers, I'm kind of becausethey establish it reallyor in the movie, but I don't have to I love the way thatthe movie opens with, like the Typical College. Frat people hoe like Al. Thesepeople are all Goin to get murdered going in the past, the hillwilly trucktobel like all angry, and they pull I the gas station and then it switches tothe perspective of Tucker Andale, who are the actual protagonists. I it's really fun and then, of course,that you know they end up skinny dipping whateverwe'll tuck Hendallo fishing, one of them falls in hits her head, and sothey rescue her and they're therelike...

...yelling at them. My got your frend there's so many things like dueyourself. When you talk, if it's obviously the whole movie is completelypredicated on the college, kids think that they're serial killers and they'renot really doing anything to help their case and no one ever tries to sit downto liket e, very of the move when its wayt to late everyone's dead, but itit's absurd, but it's absurd in a great way, especially when, after they likeall Luckin, the guy throws himself in the woodchipper and the Guy Spearshimself on Tus, it's pretty grusive, but yeah jus like freaking out. I know this isthis is Soicad Col am college. Kids come up here, killthemselves all over Tho property yeah like they're, just going to justlike have a fish, ind trip and just yeah hemselve well, and also it wasthat they were trying to play off of movies, like the hills have eyes andYeah Tur yeah, which also Fli fact see. I thought of two completely differentmovies while watching this see, but that's exthage. Well, yes, I think thatone also is one of the Texas chains out yet definitely like with the they walkinto the cabin this d. You think this cabin was owned by scientists Ike all these Bos, like Oh, no, let herface on this cabin know. I do always love and it's a really use joke, butfor some reason I always enjoy it where someone's staring at something and youkN W from the Camerao Yo you're seing, all these horrible things and theperson like Zonsan on something they did on Sanan clu o diet, where theywalk into the Nazi's house and the Joels. Looking at the shelf and say: Oh,my God is showing all this naty memorabilia and all this stuff- and youlike, oh my gos hi got nouse- is like this shelf is amazing. It's just it'shis TAK es. It just completely misses the Matzy Sun, O Hilov. I love that sothat Li gon over all this horrible grizzly murder, stuff ind, like Jillydogs, no expliration, theyin, the coupon Te, the exterior the cabinis straightout of evl deat, Oh yeah hundred percent hundred it was, I think hewanted to combine the cabin from evil dead and wrong term. Maybe so ihave notseen wrong turn in the hills have ey so fun fact. Those were like the firsthorror movies, I've seen Owhy, I don't know Esin, that's wh, Yeah Lat's craven,don't play Als Huh. So this is what happened iswhen I was younger. I was like I don't know how to feel about horror, moviesand then mutime. I write it every time I was home sick. There would tend to bea more movie marathon on, but of course it would be like all of the wrong turnsand I'm like well, it's daylight so like now's the time to if I'm going tostart- and so I saw like all of the wrong turn movies and then hills haveeyes was going to come on. I think at a different time- and I was like Ohthat's clearly about ghosts. I don't know why I'd never heard anything aboutit. When I watched it- and I was like no it's more cannibals. I've seen iscannibals ie to stop so also the check tecis chains, amascer and I've watched a movie couple times. I just noticed this today, theoriginal right, the original that's correct. So when he chain saws the Vhiby accident- and he runs out and he's like spitting around he's doing thechain on dance, fromte, teeomthe Endwhich, I didn't know- I was ISS likeOwas preaking out buth, then Iay, I sawvideowell ever seen Texas chains AR,but I finally sawt the kill count for it, and so you know that's they dep.They use that danceor yeah again yeah s like running well. They said thatthat was one. I think they had two scenes created that like they wanted todo before they had any of the cast or any of that suffing. That was one ofthe scenes that they were like yeah. That was very well done. It was a niceOl. Lo I was yeah, it was it was. It was really fun. Well, I mean the whole thing is pickingon the idea of like stereotypes of like the backwoods, Oh yeah, O people andyeah. Yeah, though I got damn stupid college kids, this vacation sucks my nosis wreading tem nthers the year, so I don't know if you notice, but Chad,so these kids all kill themselves starting o themselves, and one of themis like going crazier and Crazer crazier and getting like bletthirstyhis Chad. I don't know if you notice, but over the course of his film Hescallar gets more and more popped like it starts off normal and then the end.It's like fuck straight up like over his ears. I don't know that was deliberate. Ithink it was an. I think it 's a deliverate choice like he becoming moreand more of a duch bag and s college jus, one knee. How else would you tolly Ilstratedeendn tlesis color, is bully erect Ghrigt? That's how that's how youvisually dementary, a dustsent into madness by the holy way could have gotfor was if he had put another shot on them. Pop back I mean I gradually popmy collor Rii, just like lowly. Oh, my...

...gosh she's going Insas too much to me.It's too much, no wel it counts. It doesn't make sense, but, but so I didnotice from like a cinematography's standpoint when Tucker is being chasedthrough the woods. It's like almost ae exact, mirroring of the story. Theytell of t e the murders from the beginning of the girl becaste the way e Sept.This tacker Hes, like the one, leaves on himself Ta he's. I love the other guy, theother guy's great, but Alan Tutdock is the best part of that movie, he's sofunny just constantly like he gets Tung by bees. He comes in POPs, a PPA I justlikes poring beer ond his face. I gets this hand his a hand like he cut hisfingers off. He goes over Stet Poin Br, you know Ilco, he did' Yeahi wasn't like Ritin there.He was the one that came up with the fact that, like he should poor beer onhis face for his tese things that that seems appropriate and, like you knowwhat I really love the romance with Dale Otegood and like they. They do so many things to where, likethey, people on the outside are going to think they're gay a like. I don'tknow like the whole scene, where they're getting pulled over by the COP,and I was like, oh no, that cop is going tothink other things are happening right right and then just so many otherthings like just you know the way they you want me to pull those stingers outof your face. o Thatosi'Mgonna find it, but I have the movie open the partwhere they're like shooting at him in thecabin and they get into a fight, jus th, the the conversation it's just like sobromans. I love it. I do I do like the bromancs and I don'tknow because I'm a straight girl. I don't know if, if people who are not watching this filmwith you that as Cuer bating, so I'm just I'm again things. I don't know. Ifyou know the answer to these questions, I don't think it is Ka. Okay, argublythat be pulled over seen, is played for thatkind of lab right, but they're just to pickitg as good friends. So yeah hereheshere's on my parents, in no it's oon, Workin Heus, something dothi woulavhappened. If ete wasn't for you, that's right for PNCA, Sh God dmn Goo,Sommeran Noh, my God she's drowning Tucker. Oh, let's saveher, Oh, let'ssavor! Well Ho. Is She still love? Oh, I fucn. Don't you gen blame us on her.Am this hole thing on her? I'm blaming this hold thing on. You was you knowwhat none of this would a happened if wehadn't gune fishing that isn't even an option. I don't even like a shit. Youdon't like mean you don't like Fihin like it. Okay, you know, 'sorry, I'm sorry Tofore, I'm sorry yeah, you kind of did jusothat. It's just Otenton, justdelatesectyour feelings, yeah, you kind of bid, but I actually I did have I'mblaming this hold thing on you, that's staying on Thea at Llbut Yeah I mean itdoes like escalate to the point of just maximum absurity with how how the therest of the kids end up dying right so like, I think it peaks at the Wicchiperscene when when the cop comes and they have the half dead body, the leg wat I have, it weave had a doozy of aday yeah. I I don't know, like the the whole,like dea, the dumb girl who she's like Oh no you're on fire, and then sheliterally throws a Oyo Ye as a descendant of Moon Chines. Well, I willsay they do establish the college characters with about one note right,but they're pretty good at sticking with that, and the black guy is likethe last one that I see super cautious so when he still dies right, but wellisn't his dad like the one that he talkd about in the story. No, no!THAT'S CHEC! This Chad, wherver ight yeah! That's that's towards the end Hre, where it turns out that that Chads Moton, because I like Thate, tell astory about hill billies like murdered a bunch of people and his mom wasSonlyi got away, but it also turns out that he was in pregnant. She wasimpregnanted by a hillbilly aois. It comes to the sit the OT there in the bythe we wa. This is your deat. You can't be true: You're half fillbilling yeah, I'm like yes, because that's agenetic thing that you pass oibe o and then they work in, like the foundfootage stuff to theyr working a lot of a lot of stuff, even though the the image of falling out of the thingfrom the original holween right. Yes, yes, I thought about that too, its,like Oh re, they going to turn away, he don't be gone and T it's kind of like.I think Havin in the woods is a similar thing, where it's it's an omage tohorror in a way, that's just like a really fun movie rightright. Now thiswas a fun Wen. This is my first time...

...watching that today I really enjoyed it iis, so good Wi. You know it's been onmy list for years, because even before I liked horror movies, one of mygrasscal professors, Dr Eestergis T. every year she loves halloween, it'sher favorite holiday, so she does thirty one days in Halloween on herblock and she always posts a a movie list and she doesn't actually reallylike forar movie, but she likes she likes more. Like thoughtful andlifemorer comedy- and things like that, so ictually got a really good, likehorror, movie recommendations on from her, but that was one that was on herwist as because on she's, a big firefy Flan an so she was pretty sit to seeAlen Toto Gin, a movie like this, but she's like this, is really fun and howit plays with the horror genre andels like with te ropes the first time Iwatched this. I remember it was with my best friend from college, and we werelooking for a movie to watch. He was like this movieis really funny. Weshould watch it, and that was like the only thing I knew about it see I hadthe I think only because of the movie costers Andthg, an I hoold thing. Achain saw, I assume, T A it was. This was a zomby movie that was not correct, see I just didn't even know fe all of asudden like the wors Startyeah, and I just started like hiding my face wasjust like what is happening. My friend was like. I thought you would be betterwith this yeah. It was, it was like shockinglyOrigan, yeah, Wa n. If it was like it's played for comeny still like right, myGod yeah. It's Wat, it's feeling from the Wood Chipper IIS s pretty absurdlyover the top, although I will say with the woodchipper thing, they totally didthat INA James Bond movie, that was Ratin PG, it's the worst one. It's onHer Majesty secret service and they're, like skiing down the slope and the dudelike Goin a rig. Oh okay, it's the only one with George A ZM eecause. He was sobad. They Raly bond to only got one film, Welli EA SA. Only only bond evergot married, yeah I'V had someone tell me tht at was e best movie, because ofthat I'm like sorry, I can't take any of your pinion seriously more I've notseen it, but I love a it, has nothing to do with the marriage thing, althoughthey kind of spoil her for a like forty, fifty six sixy year old move at thispoint. They kill her at the end, because bom can't be married right, andso I was like Okay Hen. What the hell, the W we doing this whole time, but thewhole movie was just garbage and there's like sceing down a slevelsomeguy goes into a snowblower and you see like the spray. It's orange, it'sjust like orange orrange you're like that's, not the color of blood, butit's because you be mixed with the snow. To be fair. That was also before the PG.Thirteen Ladin drop, wo Twente. I went back Wen like airplanePG and like here some tittis like Oh yeah. I Beg your pardon airplane se hies every day, ot my problem, I donto anyways iyes hold on while I pulld Igi, don't wart'slike right, Tuckern, dilers. Sorry, it was so I first watchinton college andTuckendale was one of those movies where I was like my friends Wele likehey lat, let's watch this movie and then they explained it to me. I waslike that sounds like a terrible movie o' Sure I'll watch it I an watch islike that was amazing was watchitg again handful movies, and maybe I don't knowif it was just. My friends are bad at explaining movie plots, but there are acouple of movies. WHEREWEREIV had friends be like hey, we need to watchthis movie and then explain the plot to me. Be Like it's so good. I mean likethat sounds like a movie I won't enjoy. Why would I do that right, but sureI'll do it, because I'm your friend and then ten as like? Okay, that was worthwatching Uker Dale was one of that sex dripons, one O that I talk about thatone. It's like it's a trashy movie. I don't only get two SIDEDRAK, it's atrashy movie, but I thought it was hysterical, especially when they'regoing through homish country Sarahs from Os ye ye o Isin the Hor. Idonnot think I miss what you're thinking means all right. So any finalfas on Tucker Delvisis, evil other than go, see it. It's really good. You knowI at being the native Hillbilly in the room. I was really impressedwith Tyler Lebin's accent as Dale. He sounds like my cousins. Okay, to be fair, they have like NadianHill billies yeah, the actions totally different, but they have a similar yeahlumber, Jackie outdoorsy lifestyle yeah. I was trying to figure out if I hadseen him in anything else, and I think the only other film of his I've seen is.He was in rise of the plan of the apes, but he's also the OH. No, no, no, theother thing I'd seen him in he. He was in a couple eepisodes of the x filesand season three. He played stoner and I remembered te Foyeah. I rememberhis character and then I remember Oh. This is why I know him because whenthey did the revival in two thousand and sixteen, they brought him back tobe starter. Aded T, oh, my Gosh Ameguy, so prhaps props to you, Mr Libyn, onyour readneck accent. It's very good, very often all right, Halloween, twothousand and eighteen...

...again didn't have time to finish off mythings ar okay, so ' only wo thosand yd eighteen, I have so many thoughts aboutthis movie I enjoyed. I thought was good and I thought it was a really good.I like a lot of the ways they had mirroring of the original Halloween,which loury strode, where Michael Myers was absolutely, I thought was reallycool so like the shot, where mini stroke, whos name Micana, remember: Ali Ali Helle, Elson altmthe, the youngestone she's sitting in school, and she looks at the window and sees Loriestanding there. Oh yes, just like when Laurie looked at the window saw MichaelStanding. There D I was like Oh they're doing that:okay, that's pretty cool the intro, where they're like showing old man,Michael from the back and Doin that whole thing that to me was like. Idon't know that that was. I don't know that I need that. I mean Ithought it was kind of an interesting way to set up the film like you know,telling you how he got out ever onfact that was actually Nick Castle. Who wasthe original Michael Wyrs? So they got him forty years later to be like aMyers Ion, at least in that scene. The only problem I had thouh the one of thebiggest problems I have with that is it kind of demystifies him a little bit hs.Does he see his face? No, but you see his like old ban beard and but he waslike this. You know colassal Jrugginon, where it's like. Is he human and then,of course, some of the Michael Lyars was like no he's not he's like evenpossessedor, something we. It got weird, even though they scratched that butyeah t that intereed me was a little. I was wasn't sure what they were doingand then, when they introduced the strode family they should you showLauri, being super paranoid super prepared. All this, I thought wasreally good her trying to connect with her granddaughter Grandda, Er being alitle, more understanding than her mom. I quite enjoyed, although fi the intra whetheyr, introducing thatFamily Li glorious daughters, family, no, I can'tkaren Haron and by GV creryeahithinkawesome allison is the dog yeah, so so they're interestthe likemaking stuff and the dad just goes. Oh, I got peanut butter on my Dick, oh myno, he says I got peanut utter my penis, I'm like Di. You have your Dick Out,while you're making a sandwich in the live in the C, with your family likewhat is wrong with you. Dude like they were just making a joke, but then, ifyou think about the joke, they made it had some really nice ion' like yeah, soI have hon. my nose did de Hav as Dick Ot whill make Samuel O okay. 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So look like sh never takes a single SIP and so' like craftservices, clearly messed up. It didn't give her like. Why would he give her Boa team? She's not got? Never. Nothing ever goes up the straw, an that wasjust ha weird thing that that I saw that nobody else noticed that wasstupid, just also really like Bobeti. I do I do so. I didn't realize I'm looking atInternet movie database because that's the thing I do, the the dad with theweird younow butter. He is pl. He as played bu right He'splayed by Toby Huss. I don't know if either of you ever watchd theadventures of Peten Pete, that nothe day thank no okay, so that is aNickelodean classic. You should watch it. He is Arti the strongest man- and I now you know what I'm talking about he's, also tex on glow. If you ALLVever watch Clo, no, no, he shows up in the most recent season, yeah anyway,sorry random, aside, random aside, but yeah he is Ardud. 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...still shots like non moving, shot,static, shots and where you just see people move around. So there was theone where it pans over to the window in the House, and you see Michael Walkpast the window on the side right and then walk in and murder. The person,although like to get back and around and en but thought was really goodshock, even if it made Michael White, might need to be so well in they're,employing these same camera techniques that they use Halloween new. You havethe the over the shoulder, so you R E, I just perspective so in the this. Thescene that you're referencing, while you know he's walking aroundwhile everybody's Tricke, treating the trick or treaters, are well wearingsilver, shamrock halloween mass, which is from Halloween threese of the witchOman Se son OFOF, the vig season noseason the witch which is universallypanned Aso. I have. I Have Mash Justookay, I know W. 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I I thought that was a pretty pretty good scene, but th the wholedropping the two things: Wer reeporters yeah yeah, it's a little little bitscary and then what okay? So the kind of turning point was when coach seeswho's again, don't remember his name police, please, guy from reming theTitans Se's Michael and his like and just like, runs his ass down and itgets out to double tap him and the doctor, who has a penknife for somereason right kills him. I thought that they were going to actually killMichael and then have this guy take over at Michel. That would have been areally interesting. You know I had that same thought when I saw it in thetheater. You know that would have been a really interesting thing that happens,and I just I think I understand why, because then, then it wouldn't reallymake sense from hut down lore I mean they could probably explain it yeahbecause he puts on the mask right, but it was a little weird that they werejust like and he killed the doctor. 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That one in particular was like that's a little too much because, likehe's being super artsy because like what was the purpose of that HEU justgoing to kill this guy, like look what I mayso litts a little thereas so much,I really really love about this Stulf. Just I love the visual Omash to everyother Halloween film, while simultaneously ignoring all with theircontent. I think that's iilarious and again, I think candy. The new candymanis going to do a similar thing, making this a spiritual sequel, the original,and that that's what I think this film is also. This is the first Halloweenfilm that John Carpenter has been involved with since Hallowe tohm he andhis son and another guy actually did all the music. Yes, which is incredible.I don't I don't it was...

...unlike cannyman. I don't think itpopped out at me much because it wasn't quite it wasn't. Bombassin was morebackground for the most part there was one part was like n, the not the RAVpart. No, the, I think what you're referring to S. it's actually calledthe help n. This name of the song is Haloen triumphant and it's are youreferring to the the songas played over the in credits? I don't know, I an knowthe mean the music did not stick in my head. The way candyman's did Halloweenis my favorite oor movie score, and I think it's because it's so interesting,I'V. First, I'm a drummer, I'm a sucker for anything with like a like a pulsingtick. Drum beat like this has also it's so interesting, because this is a thisis score, is in five four time, which is unusual, the what I really liked about s, here's a thing like th, you have theY: U You have the score, then the opening credits, it's the opening credits for Halloweenand reverse, because the PUMPKIN is coming back to life. I it's it for methat was that just opening shot of the Jackal lannern is it is a visual signalof this is what this movie is going to do it's going to take the other one,the original film and Invertet, and that that is what yes, tire film is, isan inversion of that, while also still paying omage to the rest of the HellvenCamp Yeah. So so like right at the end, when Michael finally gets to the Houseand starts fighting with Lauri, and it is really an inversion of almost one toone yeah of the original Halloween with with the roles reversed right so likeshe falls out of the window and now we'll say so, first thing when theyknow Michael's there something thet turn on Ol Lights. I feel like as soonas you got, that you should ' turn the lights on, but but okay also this thisbothered me, even though it looked Badass Lourie picked a rifle withincredibly long barrel to try to sweep the house. It's so bad, because ifsomeone's sitting right behind the door frame, your gun barrel pooks in first,they can just grab your gun barrel and disarmit. So it was like a really bad,especially considering how many weapons she had and how prepared she was forthis. It was like a an actually bad decision to pick that gun and Irealized they picked it for the visual yeah. But I'm like lory would havepicked like a short barreled shot. Jon like a Satoff, something that you canflip around forn is really fast, so that that's someone who has never shota gun. I did not thout yeah but of course like in my head, as I'm thinkingof the visual like Er Hole, Oh yeah, oer God is like like yeah. That'srealistic, yeah, probably what should have happened like her holding theshock on his like yeah, so so that was really really cool, but by absolutefavorite moment I yeah that was that was iwas like well. Are they going to dieand then, and then the that was a really good moment? I hea that a lotyeah and- and you know the whole line where at the dinner scene, where Lauriesays well, if my daughter hates me, but I have prepared her for the realitiesand the evils of this world, then I can live with that and and and and while yes, I understand why Karen has thesehangups with her mother. I'm blaming this old thing on you. It was a's that same thing that trainedher and equipped her for thet moment right. You know they're doing two moreof these movies right and that aoer thing right, because she grabs her gunoff of the off the reck yeah. So I thought that was that was really cooljust to have these these great. You know it's kind of a tough tossup in myin my mind, and I think it's only it's only tossed up because of how Halloweenhas treated Hannon. The Halloween Franchisees to ASR on Adventuri canlike t ommi what youre thinking exactly like the cocept for the ultimate finalgirl and any horror Franchisees, either between Moris strod or Sitney in Bou rimply. Well, I think Itend to think of alien is more Sidi, so aamiliar with horror elements, yeahyeah so but but yeah. It's still. I think you can catiforisas categorize.That is a horror movie, maybe not so much any of the other ones, except forresurrection, O yeah, but anyway, like tossup between Mauriand Sydney for like ultimate final girl and now like at the end of this film.We've got three ultimate final girls and I'm like yes, I am here for this.This is awesome yeah I like being able to see the dynamic of the family rightand just even like so I've only seen the original Haoween and then the othousand and Seve Coolso. I have not seen like all the ones in between. Ihave not either, but I also appreciat D that that, like to watch this one, Idid not need tosee rill of the redom ones. Granted. I didn't get all of thesymbolism and things like that which...

...omages that they do, which I think atsome level, is actually like. A really good maxe makes it a better movie that yeah wecan appreciate it. Having just watched the original and this one ask thisone's like a seat, TREX evil to the original yeah, but someone who's investin the Halomen Franchis can appreciate all the little bits, an Mo that's hyw.I felt about Detective Pikachu, the movie Oh yeah, because, like you, cango into that, knowing nothing about Pokimon and just enjoy the movie or youknow, knowing like the base level of what Im Poking Mondy is because itassoums. You know that right, yeah or you can go in being a Pokimon fan a melike there's that and that, and that that Oh, my gosh yeah, I feel like theydid it really. I feel like that's always like the line of handering twofans in a way that won't doesn't interfere with the rest of the movieright, and I think another thing that does that reallywell is. I actually talked about this in my Halloween presentation. There aretwo Diman television series that I think really do this well, one isstranger things stronger, fom o. That is the correct way to say it.Arefon Dad is incorrect. Please try again, but actually don't Conuson teHor but anyway, like so like when I watchtranger things and then when Ryan, my husband watched, tranger things h and Ihad two completely different experiences, because while he isfamiliar with some of the the thing stranger things draws from, those are alot more fresh in my mind than they are his and I neted out on a completelydifferent level than he did. And yet we both still enjoyed it, and I can watchchangeyeur thinks to my mentors daughter who has no clue about anythingfrom the s because she's like sixteen yeah other than what she's seen onstranger things and like a handful of ades films, but she also enjoyed itlike. So I think that's the market, just good storytelling, yeah, and so,but an hereditary, I think, is the other one. That does that really reallywell, because it draws from all these different horror films, while Samngsimultaneously telling its own stories. Have you seen the knockof about thebarber shop, Herto Darry YEA, so uncivilized yeah yeahfinal tougts on Halloween, and thatwas one where I thought it was really good. I don't know that I'd go back andRewatch it, but you know I could recommend it. I could recommendwatching Im yeah fel like I want to go back and watch it. I feel like it wouldbe interesting to watch the original like foleen and then right afterwardswatch yeah yeah to have them both fresh yeah. Well, we watched Greg and Iwatched he original Halomean for the last four podcast we did so that waspretty fresh for me, okay yeah, so i Halloween is my favorite horror movie,so o g or this one og. But this is the only only one of the Halloween segulsLin. Well, I still enjoy all of them on different levels. This is the only onethat I love as much as the original, and I think it's just because of howthe these directors are. Theyre writing a love letter to John Carpenter and the fact that they actually gotJohn Corpener to come back and do anything do anything with anotherHalloween film is impressive to me. So that tells me that he is also happywith what they're doing so. I'm really excited to see. Holloween kills, whichis the next one supposed to be out yeah. I think so, when everything wo thousnda twenty one, no yeah just about so I'm really excited to see what theydo with these other two films also because coronabirus was like yeah basically but yeah. I Love Love,love, Jamie Lecurtis. I've seen her in a lot of different things. Aside, brigyFriday, Whooga Moviese, Faki Friday. It's good, I'm thinking. Li n firstbodtit's back before Lindsay Lohan Wen insane yeah, so like freaky Friday and parents trap I've mostly seen her inChristmas, the cranks it was another one I saw her in, but Ihad completely different context: Coper outside the horror genre and then so.When I finally went and watched Halloween, I was like Oh wow, like i'de,never seen her as a young woman before Sli, Hout, she's, really beautiful,like and then watching this I'm like she kicks so much, but I just love it.It's so great, so great yeah, Yealy, totally costplayed lorrie strode, whiledo it giving my Halloway presentation at this guy year ago, showed, likeeffect of the drama yeah. That was really a list. Yeah Yea, I thi that isreally good. Yeah becuse, it's just like o know. Instead of them just likegoing off and living her like formal life like yeah, she was able to have afamily and stuff, but like Theys affected every ascment, andunderstandably so right yeah like like, I don't feel like it was unrealisticfor her bred yacting. That way at all. Even with like years of therapy lastmovie we watched alry, I forgot to watch the witch. I don't know why it's!Okay, no W will visit that aothe time. That's a really great song have to doCannyman to Leferkun seven...

...witch and then like Light House, Ohyeah, because that's the same director as OEC yeah lifehouse did not look heare, it's a really great film, butit's probably Goinnto be when I'm only Goinna want to watch OCE Yeah Dont.Look like one of theme. I watch it again like for the podcast andeverything I really liked it. I didn't really. I saw that in theaters, okay,anyway, anywhere Ayway man, I guess we got TA, rub up all right US man. Thatwas a good movie. I Love Love, love, Jordan, Pyeah, so soI noticing one of the themes of these horror movies is that the the ones I'veenjoyed have done a really good job of building characters and not really hitthe gun on crazy murder. Until about halfway through then, like I now ininvested in these characters, and then it starts ratcheting up until like theit's like one Third World Building and character development than one thirdratcheting tensions and one third in Saint Finalee yeah, the acting wasprobably the best Kindo Mans. Acting was really good too andtil Halloweenwas good, but but I think the acting was just from everyone was, andeveryone's playing two characters right and Oh yeah by the way mayjor spoilersfor us. But if you haven't seen it you don't want, it spoil stop listeningright now, Bein next next time. So so I just have like her here. My notes, nicecharacter, building, good action, tensions rising- and this is like youknow thirty minutes in and then that first scene, where the where the ther,the that first scene, where the tethered family comes in, that'sjust that'sthe one thip I managed to get was when that happening, that's happeningand they come by and pick up the the outdoor ty and and is like they foundthat they found the hidden key and the as like, hidden key. We got a watch white people yeah it's a key, but whenthey came in she dishes down an start. Talking on my note is just holy: Shislipping an Yank Yeah, so one I A. I saw US three times in emovie because I love it so much, but I was so so so so angry this yearwhen they released Oscar nominations and Lupita was nowhere on that Li okayyeah. That was like, if you can mayconomy stupid, because they don'trecognize legitimately amazing performance. Yes, yes, a I mean andagain this is this: is the SCIFI fantasy HORROC NOB, Gosh Lupizza? Ithought she I obviously she was amazing, but I was really really impressed withEvan Alex who played the son J yeahthat. I'm sorry that little evil like scamper,that he did. Oh, my God, Rak hell out of me e H, my Gosh. He was amazing andh. The constant hurring mark, like herdog purring, clown, yea browing that,like that he doing it that entire scene he's doing that hat year, growl finyeah, I mean everyone. Everyone was great in that film. There were no badactors in that Fo. No, it was also you guys talk about the score and likecandyman and everything the music and Oh, my gosh, that open ictualy have I o,but oh yeah, like thats. The original store, the original score, was so good,the the the Latin singing intak that Tis not let thatit's not tha. I becauseI thought it was Latin too, because they say so. They say something that Irecognized as a Latin word, but I wouldn't look that up afterwards. It isall nonsense words and I was so angry, so it's kind of like al. The fates, yeshes, actually h like sand script, words and Doi interesting. Okay, all I knowis like I was watching it with my roommate and that music came on and Ijust immediate went no nonanoon k what's wrong with you. I was likethis music. She was like why, and I was like MMM, no, I'm just immediately like,but in like a good way. If that makes any sense like yeah music came on, andI was immediately just like this is thin. I foundit that name of that songis called anthem. It was really well shot, it looked great and the actingwas phenomenal and again it spends like a lot of time establishing thecharacters in the family and all this before out thirty or forty minutes inwhen that first thing happens, and you know made me think I think homeinvasion is these scariest is scars fororthing, that's like that's the onethat you cun actually see happening, maybe not probably, would not be nearlyas horrific a as these movies make it out to be like, let's be honest, butbut that's like that's the real that's the real scary thing is like well what,if you know somebust into your home and started, you know murdering people likethat's really scary, Oll like it's, your home is supposed to be a saferight right. It's a violation of your sanctuary yeah, which is you know, oneof the things that makes it really...

...really terrifying. So I have lots andlots of notes about this that are in my head that I'm currently writing down,because I want to talk about all of them, but I see what's been going on yeah I gotyou got it got it, but you get yeahsom iguess. No Thai feel like a good soundtrack, is crucial in a lotof films right before a horror movie, where you're trying to maintainacertain tension right. It's absolutely crucial. That's why I thought one ofthe one of the not lowest punciitiy. I think the whole mood was very good. Oneof the parts of the movie that I think maybe should have been towne back, wasthe scene where they're in the neighbors house and it's playing thepolice by Nwa. That was that was J in the theater, where I legit Lif rightright exactly and it's like this horrible tension and then th the twinslike come out and stab them, and it's like what, when it was playing the wrote down, then vibrations that onewas like and then they like step out and kill all them and still plane, goodvibrations. That was, like you know, jarring, but then she w she was like Ilike Havinthe, had they had a Iasophelia but playing fo, the policeByan, which was hilarious, but like kind of spoiled the tension a littlebit and there were. There were just a couple. Things see I thought that wasnecessary at that point I enjoyed it. I think it was good in kind of calming medown which, which you know what is fine if a hore move doesn't want to be like.I don't want people to die of stress at the end of this movie right, H, ht, itwas still a really effective movie. I don't think this. I don't think thismakes it a worse movie, but I think they could have. He could have Jordan.Peole could have chosen to just have it be supertense the entire time. I thinkit would have been even scarier. I have a holy Sho, the dattle ginger kill. That was the the the when they allfighting their dopple gangers. The Dad's fight was and theyre likestruggling, showing n that he head butts the engine us like yeah. I was really intense, but the Ireally like the dad was so funny when he's fighting with the neighbors DOPPLGanger and he gat the fitter Ti Yeah. Also, even when Ti got in the car, andthen there were Bu, she was like. I have the most killed, so yeah riethingran one so that to me the the the jokie stuff to me was like: Okay, fine, I'm,okay with this, you know Rashid Ta tention on just a little bit, so I canbreathe again. I was fine with that that part and and the part where rightearlier, where they're discussing like leaving, I feel like they were a littletoo calm, like their voices, were too calm, especially when you look at tterror and shock on their faces. I feel like their deliveries, didn't quitematch their faces and then were like. I have the highest skillcom like what kidis going to say that after they just had to kill someone that they've knownfor years, I feel like there wasn't enough. There wasn't. Quite I mean Ican understand if they had. You know like shock ather in shock and they'rejust trying to yeah. We can only resort a humor, but again it wasn'tnecessarily tha. The words in the dialogue t was how they were deliveredkind of nonchalantly, whereas I feel if they had delivered it in more of like awreeking out sort of way, it would have that would have come across less as,like writing jokes into De scriptant. More like this is them trying to co utthey just did, especially because they did such a good job portraying theshock on their faces. I think I don't know when I was watching it like itkind of got to a level in which the kids were like all right, fuck it. Thisis what we're doing like when they go into the house when the DAD's, likefighting the other, Dad topp hangern, all that stuff and the kids go into thehouse. Like I remember my roommate was literally like. Why are you going inthat out yeah, but I think, like e crato Ti grabbed her mom right right,but then, like they grab the golf club, and I feel like at a point they're likeall right like like it's either killer, be killed, right, right, right and andthat's fine, and but you see it like okay, so one the first, the first girlthey like hit over the railing. She just dies. Second girl. She like knocksherout, and then he starts wailing on her with this face of like I can't likeI just have to keep going until he's dead, but then Etoti like the dlittlelater is a little out of sink with that Hmmokay. That's that's that's my pointagain. I think te Amiut, for it part of it, was also they sit down and arewatching the news like there's almost a like DM ress that partber jue sittingon the table, I think, was a good like their decompression and trying to ditwith it like yeah, let's figure out, what's going on yeah yeah and that'swhen they like turn on the news and they see everything. That's going onand so and then they like are running...

...out to the car and then yeah I don'tknow, but I I personally being someone who has been scared multiple times justwithin this podcast hearing different things appreciated the joking andthings that had what it was just like. I see moving the mouse over there andI'm afraid you're going to scare me again, so I ha so during that scene. Again,I'm going through my notes that this was just like what I was right now:Yeah, I'm watching it whet she killed. The dobble mom from the other family ismosses yeah itwas I Mata stop getting e a little, but the boy did that. No, no!She did like she like Kitty slack. That's when you see the MOM Yous LiPetniango. You see her kind of start to go a little insane which again doesn'tmake sense. Tol E, very, Very Eni, but I just have ocean. I'm just ised toHo wow the fight that she had with herdopple Ganger was so so brilliantly shot othere's. So many things I love- Love,love about this movie, but that final showdown was just incredible: Yeah themirrored actions and- and you know Te Line just to think I would never havedanced if it not for you right right and so and like the whole fight scene,was mirrored as a dance it so good. Oh my gosh, I have a list yeah, it's notuntil it's not until forty minutes in the doppil family even shows up rightin a two hour movie, So yeah, obviously mator spoiler, the ending right whereit's revealed that the very beginning of the movie, when ipedien younger as akid meets her doppl Gamea, meets her teathered. The tether chokes her andswitches places with that. So it's Adlae and then red right. Yes, red isRaa the the tetherd, so you find out that red has actually been who wethought at yes right. Yes, I have many notes about this that are a bitdifferent from what You'all have talked about. You want to jump in there, but Idon't want to interrupt. I You I said to about the last thing I have sais waslike what a plot twist, but then that last shot of them driving away in theSunistarihym of like Bamhenos yeah she took like adalaide hold him, I'mconvinced that Adalee told him. I think she I don't know if she recognizes it,but he knows well and I think he's I think she knows that he knows, and Ithink that he realizes wow this lady who our this, this girl, who livedunderground, became like right and and so, and also that she's one of thecrazy killer people, but obviously she's trying to she's,obviously also explains why none of the teter can talk, and so so they tie itback into when when she, when red switches places right, they have theflashback on. Oh she's got PTSD, that's why she's not talking, and so they giveher dance lesson so Shas to learn right and why red is the Ar Adelaide is theonly teater that can talk, and she has the really Morse sfors because she waschoked in Sert of voices. I never thought of that until you just said itYo, so I think that's really cool and yeah, so Ay Jus Gotintoday wenwed Yo play Hetention, for you was yeah, so her voiceis, so good and the thing is she would dothat on set like she wouldn't break character when she was talking. SheThee, there's clips of her like between scenes and she's talking about thescene, they're about to shoot, Antil, se shit and she's like so this, thisthe sea as this as this happen. Yet, okay, like Geti like giving and takingstage directions in that voice, Wellcaus it a and they didn't even now,nee her for an Oscar, no insane well yeahs like, and it's also just like thethe breathiness, but then the abrupt and like because it's not just likethis gurgle like it could just be this like like like, I would take lepped an th Youngo asBatman. I would take thoh yeah. I watch that like it. Would it's not even likethat kind of a voice or something it's like? I don't know because I feel likeit. Juk upposed, with like this strength versus this weakness like shealmost has like a weakened voce yeah, but it almost makes her appear stronger.So so I have a really exciting list. Sorry Gaus, I'm like Chompin EC, thallright. He there, okay or okay. So so one of the things I really really loveabout Jordan Peel's work is that his movies also provide social commentaryand he tells you at least in us. I've only seen it out once I need to watchet out again, but in us he hells you exactly what he'sdoing right in the very first sot of...

...the TV as it's zooming in on thatnewscast. Look at the VHS tapes that are on a that are sitting next to theTV you have Chud. You have itch hod the Chud Chut, it's it's as horror, fil,it's got Daniel Sternett, but it's about these people who live underunderground in New York, city and theyre, but they're like meten peopleand Blahbleh Blah old people las yeah. I started watching it not that long agoand I dosed off, because I was very sleepy that day but anyway, so there'sChud, there's invasion of the body snatchers and then there's them Oh yeahyeah. So he tells you what he's doing right right there just with those vajstapes. But then the commercial is about hands acrossAmerica right, which was a social program that met that was meant tobenefit. You know people in poverty and things like that and that also failed.You have them Adelaide's family at the at the fairand she she wants this thriller Tshirt if he watchd the thriller video. It'sMichael Jackson facing off like with his you know, with his otherself likethe Warewolf Self, so Deordon Peele tells you everything he's going to doin this movie in the first five minutes. Sure, Oh, I don't know I tink that knowat you could piece that, together until you've actually seen the move rightright right, I mean did as soon as I saw those vhs tapes, because Irecognized that that was something that he did an get out like the different nthings that he o from as like, and also after just knowing how much of astudent of like science fiction and for genre he is like. I was like okay thes.This is important, pay attention here, all right. So it's also reminds me alot of this Denzil Waginghan movie called fallen. You've told me aboutthat. Migh have seen it because it has a very the plot. Twich is set up verysimilarly, where there's something set up in the beginning that gets paid offat the end, and then you say: Oh that's what they were setting up at thebeginning. Now the beginning makes sense. I think it's Agrat Mi me plodsin the middle, but I think it's worth watching for the for the ending is, butalso the other thing that he sits up with that. The that very first scene,at the fair where she goes into the the thevision quest yeah one you have useof reflection and mirrors, which gets brought in into loads of differentscenes, whether there's a mirror in the scene or not like Alai, seeing hershe's looking at her reflection in the window right before the the the tetherfamily shows up there there. You know so you that use of reflection andmirrors and, of course, that ow's a story about the PPLE gangers. So youhave that also Jordan Peil also told you something that was going to happen.If you opened your Bible is just the Du a at Ar my love, and I looked it up,and here it is, so you don't have to look it up her. My eleven eleventherefore, thus is the Lord behold. I am bringing disaster upon them thatthey cannot escape. Though they cry to me. I will not listen to them and shetalks about God. Shit like brought me to this point, Yeph well and theneleven eleven is like all throughout the movie and that Yor, you know,that's a mirror to yeah ye, it get's a mirror and then there's also it's onthe clock and then it's or get the other time, but like Yeh, yeah, Thr,yeah and the thing is like, even though they survived, they showe like thetether, killed every one well, and I was a little lost as to what theteter were accomplishing, making this huge Human Jane. Well, that was handsacross America. They were all in red, just like the hands across America,Tshirt Rit, which is what Adelaide was wearing right when she an read swaplaces right. So one of the other things that I wantedto note about the tether. So the first time I watched the movie, I spend a lotof time trying to figure out the science of the tether and then thesecond time I watched the movie, I'm like what that you know I kept. I couldnot quite piece it together. The first time I watched the movie it's like itis not about the tether it is about who is in the position of power right, andthat is the whole point of the movie right like and Itwas like holy crap.That is like the amazing, like social commentary like it does not matter thatAdelaid and red swap places it was about who was in the position of powerand that's the person who was on the right and that's the that's the whole.That's whole that I mean I mean they don't tell you that, until like e, very,very, very, very, very and again, I'm a little small, but I was was deakingabout all o the other stuff. They don't really show you that they imply thatthe tethered are sometimes forced to mirror what they're above Oh yearor,doing, which is how t e the Kid is takes care of Hyro. So is it tat or isit that the people down below could make the people above herer Caus Ne WorCaus? The idea was tru yeah. 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We need to drive to Mexico like we need to leave the country right,and I think there's also just even that aspect of like who are you and like istlike we're American yeah yeah, it's like yeah and I yeah. So I think if youcompare idassions, you can have yeah. I think if you compareit to get out,Jordan he'll expanded his vision and because of that you end up with somesome plot holes. But you know those aren't does not matter in the long runyeah. So I get out was a much tighter, focused film about like one family, onearea and the crazy stuff that was happening there, and this is about likethis is happening across the nation right Sothe. He expand the scope, buchbigger and I think it works really well. YEU Did a really good job of showing uslike. This is what's happening everywhere within the REMOF, this onefamily and the special thing, and so you know, I think I think again it was it's notcompletely clear, but I think Adelaid implies that, because she wasn't, shewas an aboveground person. She was able to help the other teather to break thecontrol. Sshe was like they knew. I was special. Why ware she special, becauseshe wasn't originally a tethered when I think it's also because, like that's,why reads dancing career paqued at fourteenbecause he doesn't belong there. She can't even snap in red them and so andthat's why, when they saw her dance, they realized she was special bcause.She could dance in rhythm and she could dance so many things I me yeah. It was.It was really good and that's when I would definitely definitely be happy togo recis Oh yeah toll. 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...just good science fictur, but I meangood science fiction, also commentates on it's a commentary on the world. Itwas such an interesting pivmit for him, but when I you know when I analyze, itactually makes a ton of sense right. He was a huge nerd, so he's got this nooffence he's you know he's got this he's got this depth of knowledge aboutScifi and all these genres right, you do comedy and comedy, is very good attouching on real issues, and you know using comedy and exaggeration tohighlight social issues. Comeny community have been doing that fouryears for decades. Right, it's and- and you know comedy also often draws ondarker aspects of things- sure for a laugh right, but it's not too much of astretch to take that and just make it to emphasize the horror of it insteadof instead of making it absurd for a laugh. So so, when I think about it,like the pit that actually kind of makes sense, yeah he's a brilliant,brilliant director writer producer, I'm so excited to see and his wife Chelseaparetty is amazing. I Brooklyn I nihe was Gina, no did not know. He wasmarried to her kidding right and I'm like what Shuer you, no funniest, kids.Oh my gosh. I had no idea he was wearing he ches, oh my gosh. Can weJordan and Chelsea? Please invite us to dinner. We love both of you very much.Maybe when Goronas over yeah maybe easier socially distance outside dinner,we talked Komywhatee whatever you, whatever you want, y'all inor a TreatAll Right. So, let's, let's lash thoughts on us. I thought it was greatand now again I think you may ane sold me on on watching quarter. Yeah us is, it might be my oh, my gosh, it'sso close between like us and knives out, but I feel like. I love them bothequally, but they do completely different things, and so I find it hardo Yo rank them, but us is definitely one of the most important thatislastyear and I not rekommendid it ou. I had been wanting to watch it, and so I'mglad like literally I remember, bringing it up with people and beinglike, can watch us, and I had people literally be like this. Is Us no forlike different? No, that was the first sound treck. Ifound yeah hat, I'm so glad that I finallygot to watch it and just yeah, because I saw get out and I thought that this I thought thatUS was scary to think get out. Yeah Yeah, definitely for sure ive known ofother people who did not feel the same. I I mean I never felt like either ofthem were super tosuper scary, but there is definitely a lot in. It islike. Oh, my gosh that freaks ME HELPD, okay! Well, LET'S BE FAIR! If we'rebeing real, you can play that song over like my little ponies and I willprobably be scared. Okay, I'M gonna! I'm gonna make that now I'm gonna FindLi. No, I'm gonna, like I'm GNNA, go en further. I'M gonna B, like Jelly gummybears or like Tella tubbies bubble guppies. I don't know where that isit's a little kid ship think you're wor for yeah, Olhe, guys and just put thethorror music over it. This is my new youtume series. Do Nhatseeo! That's why again, like I said like it'sthe sound of things that gets me and not even necessarily the sound of likethe action, but the music along with it. That's why I really want to watch thebirds an. I know it do a itch: op one yeah yeah yeah, that's great! I'veheard it's e Yeah hitchbuck is a good dred yeah. Apparently he was a bit ofan ass bit. Of An ASS is an understandent yeah yeah. He was kind ofa terrible humon yeah yeah she's unfortunate, because I love his work.Yeah trives me nuts yeah. I feel like the a lot of t. The older, really gooddirectors were like it', Sayne people that probably shouldn't have beenallowed to work. He had breally created direction, but we're miserable to workwith like cubrick and itchcock yeah. That's why like, whenthat music came on, I just immediately just uneas when it's even similarlywith have you guys seen sinister, I have not seen seniher so in sinister. Abig aspect is he's watching films on like this very old aight track, and sothe sacond of Wike Hilms ONA, try, I'm maybe Sayg, no as say eigt track waslike a big caset tip with eight tracks on it. Okayom then whateverlasor dis,Atema, okay, our younger audience, if there are any, are not going to have noidea yeah. Well, I'm ten years older than Hank, and I tought Yeu lolger thanyou so anyway, sinister yes, but yeah h! It'sjust this like it's that. Looking where you like it's it's. The role was likethe films that Yuwerand it's just like that clicking and yeah, and basically he's seeing likefilms of the murders of these families. Oh yeah and stuff like that, but solike I watched it with like one of my neighbors and all that stuff, and justlike the sound of that like Le Gang, it...

...gets me a little bit but like it freaksher out, but randomly whenever I'm around her I'll. Just like lay that-and so I think it's just so interesting how sound affects oh yeah, hey a thatwas honestly one of the reasons. One of the things that made lepricon by farthe worst was the audio was terrible ges, like the words weren't sinking upright, yeah but yeah. I did like Jennifer AndissonShortz, though Oh my Gosh, oh, when Zoop, I noticed there were a lot ofshoe shots in Lei, the Footfeathisho, but even before that's revealed likeyou, get a shot of Jennifer, Aniston wearing red, slouch shocks and La Yearhightops and I was like I would have killed for those shoes. When I wentseven you know but yeah I tk had a pair of LaYeear sneakers and I definitely wore some slouch socks back in the day. WWatch Yeah Yeh Anyway. I Ust I just like cappledbut yeah, so those were five horror movies that we watch forh this forseason. Definitely I would recommend all of them except LEPECON, althoughit's it's not like an unpleasant movie, it's just bad! So you yeah, you getsome friends and do like a mystery science, theater style thing. I I Olike a drinking game to it. I think Realy Fun. Every time, thel evriconisaccents every time, wor, Wer Davis is acxon. Slips you'll, be an that's howyou every time shoes arelikenytime they focus on somebody's shoes, shootake adrinkn noihallright, well yeah! So so those are some some things you can dothis Halloween season yeah. So, let's, let's wrap up out real quick. What doyou think the next next couple? Obviously we got to watch the VIVITCH.I think ECAS. I forgot to do that, bum merr. So what else? What else do youthink we should write into? Well, I mean overyeawe. Stick if we did anotherhorror episode yeah. If we were to do another whore episode, maybe in likethre one months we have noticeably not watched any westcraven. So, okay, O IV,O watch omnmarn Elm Street, I would say either Nigmar an illustry and or screenokay, because they're boting ready to do another screen film yeah. I justrecently watched all of those, so the scream apparently also ruined thehorogonre for a while. Actually, I would say scream brought it back BotAbo, yes, because it was. It was it's kind of in that same Venus, cabinin the woods where you got like the the for Paroty, but it's very selfaware. I actuallyreally really like how they break everything down for you like these arethe rules of horror, movies and then and then N. second, one they're like ohwell, the sequel will do this o wo Er youselfaware right, but they also sothey did reinvigorate the horror genre, but they also gave rise to the wholescary movie and all those yes idoe trash. Well, I heard any ofties, soI've never seen any of these scary movies, but I find it interesting that someonethought it was a good idea to have a parody movie about a movie that parodestoror movie right Iwas, like that's kind of interesting, also weird butYon', know not too far move yeah yeah I mean personally, I thought all thescreen films were hilarious anyway, but yeah, I would say, we'venoticeably avoided West Craven. So I think that I mean not Intentina, notnot not not indentionally, but I think you know his stuff is definitelyworthwise well say I don't think I care to watch any of the SAWS or Hostiliam aIam Sto. No, I personally can't watch stuff like that. So I like don't wantto watch it, but then I have in college. I had a roommate that Halloween was herfavorite holiday, and so she definitely just had or movies playing constantlyduring the month of October and at one point it was all of the sal movies.While I was trying to sit on my bed doing homework, let's be real, I Icould not focus on it. It all and I ended up watching them. How do you guysfeel about, like I don't know, sinister or the conjuring or like thenormalactivity like that? I've never actually seen any of the conjuring movies exceptthe not and Oom Yeah I mean I've only seen the contrey. I it actually made meinterested to go back and watch those just because I know thet people they'rebased on are real people. That's also they're. Also the people who kind ofdid the MVVI horror so did the whole thing ith the Ani nohol. What I? Whatis that that film is based on but H, that's interesting. I think that givesan an interesting aspect. I've never seen any of the paranomal activity. Ihaven't either NIMS. Are they likethey're kind of like sound footage,tuff right, so yeah? A lot of them are apparentis as well. ISO, apparently,apparently I I heard wsit to podcast T at was talking about Paranoldanactivity. Apparently there's a movie called arenomal entity. It is adifferent movie and a much much worse movie that you should not watchybecause. The guy was like he was...

...trying to talk about with the friendhe's like yeah. I just thought that this one was one scene was like twoover the top of nasty and, like that didn't happen in the movie. Lo, like what did I watch, I personally really like sinister, okay,I'm not gonna lie a say: Veon Li Fera, I really don't know anything Boutthanwhat you just describee. I think we should watch the wicker man, no, no n,no, the Nichlas cage, wickerman. Okay. I have seen both the original and thenew one and I want say no to Bos. I really want to Wak what about likeiscage wicker Mam I mean in these would be longer things, but would we ever wantto incorporate like haunting at Hill House or like a series, the series orthe hunting at Hill House omove caus? There is in there's a movie there. Ithink, there's two, so you ment the sere hn SS. I am nottbut. I've heard very EyT. yes, I watched wanting of Hillhouse and I've currently watching haunting anblack manner or hankkill. You just want to sell propiate and propramaccessories now is got gost. You know I would gho better get on my house. Tellyou what so I tend to lean more towards like classic horror. I've got a big gapin like the Nis of the twosand Qarter UFF. I mean this kind of helped alittle bit, but have you all ever watched any of David cronbirds wore? Iwant to watch the thing. Let's put the thing on there. That's John Ha right,but it's very cronumber Gess, which one's the thing that I've definitelyseen anarctica shape shifter, it's basically among us, the movie yeah,it's really good, but it yeah one point the thing sprouts legs and it lookslike a splater. I'm not a fan. Yeah again, spiders get me dudes, so weshould not watch eight leged freaks got it. What thoug? That's a movie that came out when I waslike in Middle School High School movie. I've never seen it, but that's what Ithink about whenever you talk about how? Actually, this is literally Sarah'sreaction when you said that we should watch those to so this troll movies are supposed to bereally funny. Yeah that this is this is this is so it's like the it's like trolls that,like turn, people into vegetables and eat them like they turn, and so thisguy is watchingtibl like Guli Green plant stuff, not like like how you turninto into Brussel Sprout sucker the wile. I started. Oh that got dark, but but literallyit's got some of the worst acting ever so they're like they turn this girlinto into plant mush and theyre eating her this guy's watching at says theyaite her and then they're going to eat me and just like shaking his head as itzooms into his face slowly, it's Bu! Is it because they're like vegetarian thatthey feel better about themselves? I E you live to their vegetarian trol, sothey turn you into a plant before the? U, I think I can on O that point butsaid ee, you really vegetarian, so so question. Apparently so Christiansinger, Songwriter Ander Peterson a few years ago when he was doing hisbeholdthe lame of God tour, which is his Christmas tour that does every yearwith a bunch of different artists, apparently became a thing on thetourbus to watch and Rewatch troll to and they kept tweeting about how theywere watching troll to again on the tour bus and the the guy, who is thetroll introl to tweeted them and showed up to their show, and so they got tomeet him. This was like maybe twenty eleven, two twusand and twelve, I butyeah. It was really fun. That's pretty this retty cool yeah, but I was bringing up David Crobirgbecause David Krenneburg is the king of body horor right, but he is not. He do the society did Heust do society, I'mnot sure. I mean that had some weird that has like a weird scene where, likea bunch of bodies just like fuse together, it might have been like a screaming MadGeorge thing, the society's name of the film you're talking, it's called. Ithink it's just called a society of just society hopeplease. I will lookbut the reon. The reason I bring up David Karnenburg is because, yes, he isthe king of Boddy Horor, but his the way he uses for and disturbing bodyhorror images. It actually serves a narrative functions. I actually thinkhis work is very interesting because of that, no that director was Brian, YoznaHus, no yeah he's not sorry, he did reanimator. Maybe Oh, I watchdreanimator somewhat recently, and I mean I get why people like it, but itwas definitely not my. It was not for me. So what did cronaber do soKreniberg? He is probably best known for scainers. Oh yeah were the dudeshead explodes es and I literally like got a Watermillon Sot. It wt ye SOT Gomyeah. I not seen that scene, it's kind of iconic. They took a watermellot andlike covered it with a like, like a mission impossible to skin, mask thingbut looks like an old luse head and they literally took a shot, gun andshot it in. I, the back like where the...

...back of the head would be, and so thebotter Wiln just explode. So this dude's head, it looks like the sted'shead just completely explor yeah, it's kind that it's kind of the seeme he'smost infamous for but scanners actually is probably the least body horror ofallthis films. Ironically enough, video drome is the other one he's probablybest known for it's a really interesting, like syber punk type film.I think his work is really fascinating. An the main reason, like he kind ofcame on my radar, is because scanders is one of the films that strangerthings draws from: Oh yeah, so the the whole noseblee thing when eleven usesher powers in scanners, the people who get who getscanned. So they the scanners, are people who have power similar to eleven.It's not necessarily t t they can move stuff with their mind, but you can likethey can like kind of blow people's heads up, yeah it'Asom. If somebodystarts scanning you, your no starts flooding and and there's there's ascene towards the end of scanders. That is mirrored in the firs season ofstranger things where they're having the face off in the middle schoolbetween Dr Brenner and his Madr and the dimoc organ right, where they're kindof stuck in the middle of all of that that that Sceni as straight aut s,sgamers Nice, all right. So so we got some more stuff on yeah. So so I wouldrecommend crone burd with a grain of salt, but if we were going to watch arcornenberg them, I would probably say scanners yeah, but I think I think ofthe ones we watched. I don't know if I could choose between us and canny M,because they did they were very different movies. Yeah. U I like toboth the right great son, a lot for the score I mean I did like. I really dolike the useretinal, but man that fhillip glass for is just it's ATA. Icould feel I could just listen to that. At's yeah! That's some! That's am goodmusic, spoiler candyman! And, U show up on my Halloween party. Playlistaes lineis literally just booky scarry skeletons over and ever again on loop.That's Natheno Hownard. Does that, like Song, come up? Oh No don the point.This is like seven and a half hours, long, we've, probably hate realy lowchance of getting to Tham, and that's the only song from us I put on there.Okay, Yeah Din, put a UTNW IDDO. We know me and we know my luck. ENT's bereal. HANGIT's gonna Hav is on like porgring, and I just like DOP it. Okay, an then en get to the percussionport I'mb like all right all right. We got over tohoreps ETS GOID and wrap this bad bayup. Sarah Athally, thank you for joining meyeah and watching these movies. Sarah, would you like to give peopleinformation so they can contact you or do you care? No one actually listens tothe show, so now's actually going to contact the word. What kind ofinformation do you give twitter? Do you tweet Dinsod? I have a twitter, but Idon't know the last time I used it perfect if Yoyo want to sponsor Sarah and support her yeah. AsI work for a church, please disregard the fact that I said Fuck many times.If edited, they won't know what you said: Pes we get O, say the occasionalswarwork, I'm definitely not just Goinna just going to go in and Ampofie.So please disgroe. Every time I said I mean, if you want to follow me onInstagram, I am Serberdt Henry so SAR bear. Henry F like my twitter ishonestly, probably similar, O potentialaqust IAM, also hank. I wasreferred to as Hank many times yeah just to be clear during this. You know what my last names Thomas.Nobody calls me Tom. So I'm sorry for you! No it's fine! That'sfine! I just tink finding the music anyway! If you want to get in touchwith me, you can tweek me at the Nerdy blocger you can like my facebook pageat Facebookcom, Slat, nerdy Walker. You can lead my blog nerty blogging,dotword presscom. You can also follow my work on Fane Girlishcom, where Ihave a weekly column called way back Wednesday, where review on Rito film aweek, I'm also covering startreck discovery and the Mandalorian this year.So toninte, that's next Friday, O my Gosh Week from today we going to befreaking out. Your all right, you can also read my work and hear me on popculture. Retroramacom. I'm also regular, contributed to hop culture. Ritroramapodcast. I am just at Holy Golem, but I also have a cooking show on Youtube. The V kitchen chemist checkas Ot onfacebook, faceofcom Lash group Lah, the kitchen chemist. We have twitter, wehave INSTA, we have email es, er, all kitchen Kinne, heres allit's, likekitchen instas, kitchen, chemistyt, pitter s, kitchen kemit email is thereal kitchen chemist at Gmail, but yeah. We just a gon an episode going up toMorrow. As of our recording of the...

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