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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 17 · 1 year ago

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're talking about the most famous arachnid-themed superhero! Gregsaw is readyyyyyyyyy, Jason wants pictures of that webbed menace, Nathanael sues OSHA for electric-eel related incidents, and special guest Damion Knotts merely adopted the symbiote!

So earlier today, tragedy striking the new musical spider man. To too many spider man, the show build as the most flying spider man ever assembled. On one stakes, cast members were critically injured at the hands of spider man's greatest pose, gravity and floors. In true Broadway fashion, producers insists that the injured actors will be replaced and the show will go on and I will crush that spider man and the spider man I know, the stranger man to the spot, or Peter Parker, was pitiful. Couldn't have been any shine. Mary Jane still would notice him. His hair was on fire. But then one day he went to that science lab, that mutated spot. I came down, cross over everyone's walls and he's winging all over town. Lady Down, Huh Lila. So you're the spider man sing us the web tonight, because we're all in there. All right. My question is, did you dance down the street? You got the sphere, you email, spider man. That's wonderful, all right. So I mean, all right, we're we are ready to start. So, Oh my God, I did do that. Okay, I think that shouldn't okay. All right, welcome to dearly debated, the podcast where you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. I am your host, Nathaniel Levinson, and I got you for three minutes. Actually, have the one on here with me today? Are I am a greg got sweet friends. I don't think I have that one. Oh No, I I didn't put it on the board. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. West, we got on. Well, I'm here, friendly neighborhood Jason, Daniel Nice to me, and for the first time ever we have cool. Yeah, what's your name? Oh, you, guys, time ever we have someone cool on this part. Yeah, right, so you know how he's like. You guys are also loser. I can't us. We gotta do this. It's not really not really feeling so weirdly. So, you know how usually when tails from an alternate dimension happens, I just come back in my desk like there's lightning, and then on my desk is a paper. Yeah, well, something really weird happened, something really, you know, truly bizarre happened. I was sitting at my desk put contemplating life, as I do from time to time, and a portal opened up to a parallel universe where I was sitting there. Weirdly, in the other universe. I'm I'm seven feet tall and incredible shape and I can't cook crap. It's very rare, right. But he looked, took one look at my soundboard, slap me across the face, then reach to hand, a glowing finger like et, and touched my computer and upgraded my sound board. So now that I can do this, it's going on. It doesn't make sense. Oh yeah, so I got some good one here. Oh here, this would be greg so anyways,...

I guess they're gonna be talking about spider man. Like I clicked up and I can play it all together, so that actually like works. Really, though, I'm going to be very much abusing this power, and of course I was. I was, as I was demonstrating one of the best parts about this soundboard, as I can do this. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility. Yeah, exactly, all right, nothing. Let's go man like wings, because I started guys gonna go. Okay, so let's just open up with what was your first experience of spider man? First experience of spider man, but you can remember, I believe, was the animated TV show. It was funny as a kid, they had so much specifically in that animated TV show. I forgot what the exact name was. The one that came out in the late s earli spider man the animator. Yeah, assume it's it's the generic one. There was so many crossover episodes where like, like iron man would show up our war machine and and I remember as a kid that confusing me so much I never even knew what to call it. I feel like it's the show that primarily features Spierman, but that was for sure my first experience with him. I knew like he was kind of a staple character and I probably got more into him as I started playing marvel versus Capcom one. MMM, one of my favorite characters that use was venom when it time, and my brother would always play with spider man. You get to pick two. So my team was venom and war machine because it didn't have iron man the command I don't know why they chose war machine and on Iroman, and then my brother would always do captain America and spider man, and so I kind of guested bighty one the spidy mirror match. Yeah, it was a it was a definitely a fun game. Obviously Capcom to was a rate. Cap On three was. What's the big popular one? Cap Hunt, Marvelus. Cap Com too was really popular. So it was three. Okay, yeah, so and then infinite was. Yeah, cap gun to was. It was the was the one that I played more than Capcom one. But marlevers cap come one is probably where I learned about Spiderman the most. Yeah, I would. I was thinking about and I honestly think my first exposure was being baby, sat at someone's house and they had a like a second genesis and playing like it was probably maximum carnage or one of the Spider Man Games, and we just I couldn't get past this level, like this game was terrible. I was probably first and counter spireman, but I do remember most of my exposure to him before the toy choire movies and to animated TV shows was Marvelus. Cap Come too had a lunch box to sor, I want to throw that in there, red lunch box. He was fighting Scorpion and I thought it was the coolest lunch box. And I think my first experience was actually, I'm trying to think it was at is at my barber they had all these comics that would just lay out and one of them was like a late s early s spider man comic where he fought the vulture, and I think that's the first time I saw it, the vulture. Yeah, and then, of course, like rat was in Spiderman animated series. Watched a lot of that. And Yeah, that's that's my religious experience spider man, my first experience. Okay, I got to get it out of my system. Wow, Danby first experience with that, with spider man, my first experience would be, I would say, on the same line with Jason. But I came like I used to go to comic book store whole time, and for some reason it really was a bad experience because instead of I don't come my spider man, but growing up angle lot was not a huge fan, but I mean as like because I'm like, okay, what's so great about to me? So I growing up I never really did understanding the whole concept of it. I was more of like a x men and guy. But but like the more that I got older and stuff and more mature, debatable, but what you're thinking. But...

...like the more I got older and I started to I guess high school, my cousins and friends. They used to play the games with in the everybody used to choose spider man. I was like why, that's throw up the rock on sign constantly. Exactly, Um, but because so to me I was like behind the scenes, have been the Guy Hmm hmm, looks m yeah, it was. Yeah, I definitely VC two. Played a lot about them. It was like when cared was like, okay, kind of how do you little like Venom and Jugger? Not? I don't remember. Who Else? Iron Man Maybe? Yeah, I think I've played spider man and cable for the most part. MMM, cables go. I did like Omega Red. anyways. Yeah, marvels Capito two is great, but we're not here to talk about that. We're going to talk about spider man. So let's jump first into the comics which I have. Like, I don't think I've ever read a spiderman comic. So I'm going throws over to you guys. Have you? Have you ever head expected? I gave Jason a lot of spider man comics. One yes, got here. Yeah, I had a whole bunch of comics and every all you guys have about comics so much that which brought him one day and you have you had a read? Had you ever read them, or do you just have them? Know that I was just given to me. There's a full box of comics. I was like, I don't know to do these, but I probably shouldn't throw him out, because comics like they have value, I guess. And then Jason was like I gave it. Not a bad day, but no, sorry the long answer. No, I don't. You never read a one guy. So gold talk to us about Spiderman Comics. You want to start? Oh Yeah, oh well, where did we do spider man? I mean, I'm no talk of my spider Oh, I mean, I think you should a store. Okay, so I was a lot like Damien like growing up. I want like watch some the spider man cartoons was not my favorite by long shot. X Men the animated series was better, and Batman, the animated series was way better. Yep, and that whole universe was better built during the bottle one too. Yeah, but when I was, I think it in High School, my dad gave me a gift for Christmas and it was this one of the earliest attempts at selling digital comics. Marvel did. It was just the CD collection did. You could put but it was every spider man comic from the debut all the way up to like two thousand and four and I read that a few times. So and it was every issue of amazing spider man, which was really awesome, into like the s when they started crossing over with all the other spider man titles and then there were no inc no complete stories in there. But so that's when I really learned to love the characters because I basically just started at the beginning and I was also a kid in high school who got picked on. So the you know, the the beginning premise. It kind of gripped me there. But now, and I've been reading spider man stuff ever since I'm I've read everything in the amazing spider man up until the current run, which I'm not completely caught up on, but whenever the library gets the new trade I usually check it out. So yeah, so I've heardly had a lot of spider man cos. Nice. Nice. So what is your favorite iteration? Well, I think my favorite is it is Peter Parker, but I really like there's a run by J Michelstrazinski which is kind of like a backtobasics for the character. You also was like hey, maybe spider man's magic, which was kind of weird, but it's much yeah, it was a really interesting run. They've been doing this thing and they've got into it. Marvel, like the chief the heads didn't really like the fact that spider man was married, like, you know, people can't relate to that. So they everyone who buys these her virgins. For many years they had been like trying to figure out how to get an executive. That's an executive, and then everyone, literally everyone else, was like but yeah, four years they've been trying to...

...get rid of that. They'd had MJ maybe kill a little bit, then brought back and then them separated and everything and Jam Ifszinski. They brought him in. He was like, well, I'm going to get him back together and spent a whole lot of time doing that. There was this period where I was like, spider man was actually like a capable adult. You know, he's married. Aunt may found out a secret identity. heuring that time, I was a really great issue. He ended up joining the avengers. At that point. was like teaching as a working as a math teacher or something, I think, or a science teacher in his old high school. Is just probably my favorite point in the character's history was the aunt Ma thing, just like one issue of him, of her being like of her, just like being mad at him being like me, I'll be one little bit, and she's like so, okay, not, not, Gwen Stefani, gwen stacy. Yeah, is that? Are they always? Is that like a like, a, like a like a one or the other? Or is it like one then the other? Or does it depend on the run? It was like original stuff. It was Gwin stacy came first, Mary Jane was introduced and it was kind of like like a like a well, who is he more interested in? And then he picks gwen and he gets really exactly, he gets really serious with Glenn and then, you know, bad things happen. Oh yeah, spoilerer for something that's happened multiple times in the comment. She dies and the movie we're going to get to head which is no longer canons. We can talk about it freely. HAH, but they are bringing back Jamie Fox's electro for that exactly weird and I okay, so I have a theory about that and it's because I think they're just they're making everything cannon again with the with Dr Strange is multiverse thing. That's why I feel like it's happening, because Dr Strange is apparently also in the new spider man. Yep. So I wish they were done this with the TV show because, yeah, we'll get to that later, but yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So before we jump into talking about the cartoons, let's go and list of the theme song for the S S. So such an aggressive opening and that baseline though. Yeah, I'm doing jazz hands. You can't see that, but it doesn't. I just like, is he strong? Listen Up, he's got radioactive blood. That is that. What is that? Does that correlate with being strong, as usually that correlate with being dead. It's just like, from medical perspective, your blood, it's radioactive. I know, tighter and pumping. It's amazing that in the Marvel Universe people aren't just walking on to like, you know, radioactive test sites all the time. Yeah, right, well, do you think? I mean? It's funny because, like, given how everyone gets the powers, there should be more super power, like everyone should be super power, because it's like, buddy, that's ever worked like you know, near bombs or any right. Literally, everyone in Japan like yeah, just everyone in Chernobyl should just be like super power city, like yeah, it's not already works. Doesn't work. All right, it's a cartoons. Obviously the s one was the first one and it's ridiculous and hypermimable. I'd love the beings that these songs is really, really good. But you know the the the mean that they copied in spider vers of that year. There of the hang on your point. You could be but so I so I never watched. I don't think I watched a lot of spider mare cartoons, but I did Watch, oh my gosh, I don't remember which one it was looking at spider man or it was only like two seasons long. Is the one where he...

...had like the webs as wings, like the head and like under his arms. No one where he talked to a cheap version of himself all the time. Maybe. Do you have a Cape? or he wasn't Goin in it? I think so. I see, I don't remember. I remember really enjoying it, but I watched it so long ago and I watched on Netflix and I watched the streaming service because I was just like, Oh look, here's some marble stuff. They've done a lot of spider man shoes in recent years. Yeah, that they just can't all I remember it was. It was like a newer one and it was like only two seasons long and I was like wait, that was I quite enjoy that one. I think it was the one where he's talking to himself as a Chevy version. Yeah. So question I have, and maybe this is for a later portion in the show, but like now we have some experts here. I know there are two versions of spider man, one where he actually spins the webs out of his body and one where he's just like a smart kid, so he develops. Yeah, well, like I think the traditional one is he creates the webshooters. Yes, and I was the was it was, it was it eats, it was you were obviously Jason will know this, but I it was either ultimate spider man or it was like the actual totally mquire Spiderman that made it organic web. So Toby McGuire was happening and they decided part of that whole magic thing I was talking about since g run was so that he could get organic webshooters. And then they can do that for a couple of years because you know, general audiences would be way too confused if they if it went in and brought a comic book off the shelf, because they do that. And then true, yeah, he see, I thought my knowledge of spider man is it isn't enough, but I always thought that that seemed like it made more sense. It was like, okay, he gets bit by a spider and now he has like spider like features, like he can climb on walls and you can shoot webs. Yep, yeah, that makes sense in my head. Yeah, it's kind of weird. The idea that's like, okay, he gets bit by radioactive spider, now he can climb on walls and then he builds his own web shooters. And I'm like that just seems like it just seems like it's too me directions and it's too bunch of a coincidence, like why wouldn't he just develop something else? It feels like he was leaning into his identity. Yeah, and as as much as I love the original amazing fantasy fifteen, just the comic spider man debuted and it was sixteen pages long. So instantly was just like, I think it was sixteen pages. It's very short. It was just not even a full comic. It was one story and like a anthology. Whoops, I did not mean to hit that button and but yeah, so it was very quick. You get everything from the bullying, the spider bite all the way to uncle Ben's death, all in just like sixteen pages. But then you like web shooters, it doesn't make sense. And then at the very end a narrator says the great power, great responsibility line. Not even Uncle Ben, it's a force ghosts. Yeah, or maybe it is yead Uncle Ben, who knows? So any other thoughts bout the cartoons, because again, I've only seen the one that I came up I can think of. I won't seen the one. Well, I really liked the s cartoon when I was watching as a kid. I've gone back and watched it some since then. Some of it holds up, some of it is they are really lazy on the animation. Those are fun to go back and watch. Me Like, Oh God, there's three things in this. This is the same flip that they used in the last that especially thin. When they crossed over to the xmn thing. I was like, oh good, yeah, they they also did a full version of like marvel secret wars, which is one of the biggest events they've ever done at that point in time, which were cool. Yeah, brought in like is basically the infinity war of right. My true was spider man an avengers assemble. I do not remember for yeah, and I remember either. I remembered enjoying aventure assembles, really cheesy, but yeah, D of drawing it, but I don't remember spider man was there. I remember that all of the character designs from avengers assemble were like strange action figure as versions. Yeah, and they really where they really were with the pots, were pretty decent. Yeah, I think you either talking about ultimate spider man, which it was ultimate, I think it was. It was voiced by he was voiced by Drake Bell and the Yes, yes, okay, yeah, that's the one I watched. The one voiced by Drake Bell's pretty good. I did not watch all of it, but that was the one where he would like team up with like Iron Fist. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I enjoyed that. I got as kind of like a spider man version of brave in the bold, uh Huh. And then the one that I really like, my favorite one, was actually the spectacular spider man. Right, which one for I think also two seasons and then got canceled so that ultimate spider man could happen on another network. But that one was really cool. It brought back the Spiderman in high school, which most of the animated series are right s one was weird because it was him as like a college student and Professional. They managed it felt very much like the sixty s s kind of Stanley era comics, but they also were able to throw like venom and stuff in there. Yeah, you spot a duke, Glenn and Mary Jane, Flash Thompson. All the characters also had a really great theme song. MMM, I only got the sixty. Fuck, we don't have to play them all. Now you know. All right. So let's...

...go into what most people will be familiar with, which is the tremendous movies. It's been a lot of them, so I broke them up by actors. So we're just going to start with toby McGuire. I really liked the first two that there were there were excellent, and then the third one. Mean, I don't think toby McGuire was the main issue with that. I wasn't, you know, his acting wasn't great in it, but it wasn't really plot was third one. Yeah, they are. It was everyone was like, oh, venom and venom in the last five minutes. Yeah, is it's like Ankty Spiderman to the last five minutes, where venom was just like yeah, just but urking. Yeah, but I yeah, I think the first two are really, really solid, and I think that, I think, my opinion, the second one is actually better than the first one, which is, you know, rare for for a special for superhero movies, for the sequels to be to be better. You know, they did the classic spider man thing. Great Power, COMF responsibility. I thought they set up, you know, the reason that he lets the guy go is because the wrestling guy, she's met his prize money. You know, many a lot of sense than he's like, Oh and my uncle died because of that. But a lovely he's learning how he's powers, which it. That's the falling thing in the darth standard and that's actually in a second one. But he's losing his powers. Oh yeah, since I would be like, but when he's trying to figure out the web fly, it's like go, a, go ahead. So I thought that was a yeah, I think they were both. They're both really fun. Geez, what's his what's his name? Will the foe as Green Goblin, and then, yeah, oops, I hit two buns of the same times. The so good, and I mean well, the phone plays crazy, really, really well. Yeah, so the first the first movie, in my opinion, was like so good even at the time. Obviously, at the time, you know, most of us were pretty young. We're kids watching this everything from him like developing this powers and like you kind of getting to see every phase of that and really exciting way. Like, like Jason said, you know, he's clearly the the Dorky Guy, like we see this week. We they do a really good, not heavy handed example of him just being nerdy and kind of shy and then all of a sudden him having that moment where you like catches himj and they catches all those food, like those pieces of food. And if you guys didn't know, told me where are. Actually did that. Yeah, he actually did that. It took him like, I don't know, I don't know if they said were a hundred tries, but it was like so many tries. Who they like listen to we we can just like we can just do this with CTI or I don't know if they told we can just like drop it down on it bit like so he they actually like, I mean it was being dropped, but like yeah, heat, he like he moved the plate around and caught everything. They're like, toby, we can, we can see Jianet and there he was, like he he's like you're not really spider man. But then scene is so great, followed by like the fight scene where you in Harry's a likable character who's just like like look at this in there, like who do I hell? You know like somebody. So many great scenes there is when you when you go back and watch it now, you can definitely see a little bit of the acting is dated, like it's man very corny, like as, yeah, really like the characters in or just like hey, webbing, like you're just like hmm, like why would somebody talk like this? is so that was because it was replet. But it's still so such a charming movie and it's well it's well told. The story itself. The characters just can't carry the story long. You're like Willem Dafoe and and told me require my opinion are both excellent and one and to really, but I think you're right. All deposed not into spoiler. He dies in the end of this one. Well, now he is into actually right as a go yeah, this is Harry sporscus. There's like it's funny. I think a lot of comic book movies at that time really failed with their third act, their third movie. Me Xmen did the same thing, where you have x one, x two, excellent movies. Really, I mean they were hitting him out of the park at that time. I mean it was such an exciting time and all of a sudden, like spider man three x men three are both just dumpster fires and you're like what am I watching, like my why did? Why did? Whose idea was it to do this? Because, I mean you blow through three villains in spider man three. It's painful to watch because you have totally McGuire dancing as emo, Toby McGuire the whole movie in follows along this kind of like predictable storyline of and having this suit on and it's making him more of a douchebag and takes it off and he's fine and you're like that was really the big climax, like come on, guys, do better.

But you know, I mean I think those movies, in my opinion, are still the best. Oh, but those two, we have to mention one of them. One of the most amazing things about about the the first three Spiderman to require Spiderman's Oh yeah, so original Lattie a public manner. What you doing on my Rock Bay Jamison, is just paintings. Problem. We don't pay one. Problem. Shut up. He's so good. Yes, Devil Foot, page six, see both mass and connaways, both the quarters to sold out for printings. Sold out every copy. Tomorrow morning. Spider man. Page one with a decent picture. The Time Wove Conway to bake seven. There's a problem. I make a big Jake and getting ten percent off. I make it five percent. So good. That's and they actually respected that. I appreciate even, you know, even in the amazing spider man they under Garfield series, they they respected that by not casting anyone as j Jon Jamison, and then they didn't cast anyone and Jajone Jameson and Tom Hall and ones until they brought at jk Simmons back because he's just like you look at here, kind of like I'm trying to think. They were like hey, Sammuel Jackson, coueen model Nick Fury, after you because you're the that you were the character we want and it's like they like Jak Simmons, can you be J Jon Jameson? He's like I am J Jon and Jameson those I don't. He's me. He's just so perfect in that role. Some of the best casting. It really isn't. The LEASANA Syne where he's wearing Speiman seemed like jump around on his FASCIS. It's like, Oh my God, he's insane. One, three hundred rangeus done throwing a bar. So it's so funny. He's an absolute treat. So I you know, and he's fantastic throughout all three. Yeah, the third one could have been amazing because I everyone was super excited for it because they're a whole. Venom. Yes, it's tied, like where else do you go from? You went from Green Goblin to doc ock to venom, and everyone's like yes, Venom, venoms in the trailer and it's like it's venom. And then again we watch are like yeah, but to me that see, when I wasn't third one, I'm thinking, all right, you know what? To me, it could have chose somebody else to play venom. I'm thinking, like who did they pick it? So for great so from no idea who that is. It's a guy from that seventy show. Yeah, small actor. It's getting small and you got this huge animated character. But the kind of ruin rout and Venom, with all of his like wit and all these is his own individual personality, as as the where they called the symbioid or some be out Sidi Out. And it isn't the whole point of Venom. I mean, I don't know if it was originally, but the whole point of venom is that he thinks he's like he's spider man, like he's the good guy. Spider man's a bad guy. So he's not like a villain. Villain raised Nancy here. There's a lot of death to his character and that's a that's another reason why it was such a disappointment, just to be like you just ruined this, so that's not really venom. Now, how was the venom movie? Because I didn't watch it. Oh, I knows, um it so to me it for his roll when three, hmm, I'm okay, this, yeah, like this is that? I was supposed to like ID the Gout to take chose the bang from bat. Hardy. Yeah, I was like, yeah, this momentum right here because, like he is and to the point about his definite character, like you really got to see it and just the whole storyline. To me, yeah, it was definitely like worth making a whole movie about him, because he's got he's got snatch character builds. It was as close as, like, to actual comic venom as you could get when you can't put spider man in there right like the only thing that was missing was now you went crazy because he hates spider now. That's that's the reason it didn't get much phrases, because the movie honestly just seems like an introduction to a character and that was really, at the storyline itself, not really that entertaining. Not like great, but honest see, that a good they did a really good job making the comic book. Then I'm a reality and here's an interesting question. Do you think it should been rated arts that could have shown that I'm like actually buying people's heads off. I think it a pretty good job like like making him menacing and kind of like me, he would straight up sate like say the people. He's like, I'm going to bite your head off. And I don't arms and they like it. So like they did a good job at making him menacing enough without like going overboard to be like you get us still understand this is a comic book movie, for sure. Sure, and so you can't really like unless you're deadpool. Like you, like you, like you, just I don't know. You can't ruin that. In my opinion, I think I was happy to not see your girl, or kind of because...

...like, just sidetracking for a second, because we never do that here. But what how did you see? It's funny, like the whole kids thing, because you have stuff like venom where they're kind of holding back a little bit, and then you have the movie like Shazam, where you know it's so it's like everything. It's like big with superpowers, but then the villains are like demons that are eating people. Yeah, should we? Should we show people eating on screen? People get eating on screen. Shouldn't, but we did. Yeah, but no, I thought like you're saying. I thought they did a really good job. I don't think that you needed to actually see venom bite anybody's heads off. That wasn't like. I mean he would say stuff like that. I think the eyes lungs, pancreas, all that kind of stuff is aligne from like a really classic Venom Comic, but he didn't actually do most of that stuff until like the two thousands, when it was not even Eddie Brock as venom. It was like a completely different guy in the suit was a little crazier. Yeah, you can believe that. Are they planning to even him too? And is it can be carnage? Yes, are they ever going to connect to spider man? That is a question that everyone is asking and they will not give an answer because, like, honestly, how much mileage can you get out of venom without having spider man? Because he's the foil, like Spiderman and venom have to they play off of each other and see it. And it's interesting because venom is in the same universe as Morbious, which is another one that they're doing, and where he's like a vampire. Yeah, the living vampire. He's a science supposed to work admire a vampire made by science. Well, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, pretty much. But in in the trailer for that they have Michael Keaton. Oh It's the vulture. So, oh my gosh, it's all just like running together a project. Guess it's delivered. I'm fine with that. I'm found with them. Just like it. What's going to happen? Is it going to do a DC where it gets so completed that just like okay, here's you know, hyper Jesus and he's just going to annihilate every universit down to one so we can move on the cential the DC did, which I've so I read very short aside. I read both infinity war and crisis on infinite earths because they're like equivalent ish, pretty close. Yeah, right, like say my say idea of like well, you know, there's one giant baddy and everyone has to getting up to fight him. If any more fantastic. A lot of things happening, but I was able to follow it. Crescent in the earth. I got two chapters and I'm like, I don't know where we are right now. I can't follow any of this. There's like seven different flashes and none of them are anyone. I know, you know, it's really confusing. You can't need a degree to go through a crisis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's with the tortured myself and watching like the whole air verse. Yeah, HMM, tortured. We only talked about that talking about a couple episodes ago. I way, I quit. I couldn't do it. I can do it anyways. Any other thoughts on the Toe Guire ones? Well, I was gonna say the first two again very strong. My absolute favorite movies at the time. Spider man, who was my favorite movie for yeah, this time, because again it's that is that version of the character that I really like casting in a second was really great to doc OK was a really good villain. Again, everything the casting and I aunt May, was really well done. Yet Harry kind of like becoming a little bit more of an anti hero, like like starting to eat spider man. He's more he's sitting there in the corner with the Butler. That it's in. The third one is finally just like, Oh, yeah, your dad killed himself. I'm probably should have told you that a few movies ago. Harry said he wants spider man dead, but his buddy pe he can trust up, but spoil the song we're going out on. Yeah, the the third one was originally I think it was just supposed to be Sam Urami's idea. was just the Sandman story, like it was supposed to be. The first movie was like the theme was like responsibility, the second one, I think, was acceptance, like accepting his lot in life, spider man, and the third one was supposed to be like forgiveness, and I supposed to be that. I don't know why Sandman ended up being, you know, the actual killer of Uncle Ben. That was an interesting choice. But like this, I thought it was some of the strongest parts of the third movie was him and Sandman's interaction. But then they really bum bum bum is like the only death yead. I'm gonna talk to a coast, a whole three, like I said before, and real confused it might they may have still planned. They probably still plan on doing the Harry part of it too, and you're supposed to be both of those. But he because he was supposed to become Hob Goblin. Then I'm literally got just shoehorned in by executives. They are like yeah, but the popular villains venom guys. You gotta Yeah. They they should have devoted the entire movie to him. Shoot in the very first third, black suit spiety with none of the dancing, and then the other two thirds, right the middle third is expider man fixed himself in at brocket comes Benham. So student...

...stopped and in the last three is the big climactic battle. But I mean, like, if you're going to set up Perry, he should have had like his own movie, right, right, and they were planning on doing like a fourth one with like mysterio and stuff and all kinds of stuff. So it's sad that that gut ruined by executive. Yep, yeah, control, but and that the thing that never happened again. Yeah, and it's very true to comics to you know, that's how it works. PHOENIX, yeah, I don't. PHOENIX, you know, was so nice. They destroyed it twice. Right, I will sell there for the xmny. So all right, so we're to move on to Andrew Garfield. All right, yeah, sure, so, oh, I just was in one more thing about Spiderman too. I think. I think spiderment too, was my favorite because you don't have to worry about the origin story and it's you know, and I thought cock was great villain. I thought the his struggle between like okay, how do I help this guy? Because it's not just like green gobble just comes out of nowhere. It's just psychotic, right, but he sees dog got transforming into this villin is like, how can I? You know? I you know, how can I reach reach this guy? And then he's like, I just made two black holes and we sent one to the ocean. Like so the Earth's just done right, like goodbye earth, because you guys understand how black holes work. The Earth is done. It's sorry, everyone died. Tiny black hole. It's fairly even a black hole. But yeah, so I thought. I thought Spiderman too was as good, if not better than, spider man one, and Spiderman three was a Turd floating in the wind, or whatever whatever Benom says. That makes no sense. So pizza time. Pizza's okay. How are you that bad at Pezza? Delivery? Bra like you like, I'm not paying for those. I'm not paying clothes. There are other jobs you can do in New York City, like okay, and they get this. will go back to the my complaint of like, get a construction job. You'll never get tired, like you'll rust right to the top of the like yeah, he can, he can carry girders. Nathaniel, you can't profit off of being spider man like. It's not like if you're if you're a pizza guy, you could just use that to get the pizzas there on time. Time. Yeah, it's it's not like you should choose a vocation that leans into your strength, your literal strengths. Like why would you do that? I'm not saying like go do that. Like the wrestling thing is like, okay, that's a little bit unfair because you literally superpowered and they're just regular people. Okay, so that I would say no, but but you could do it. You could do something where it's like hey, if you're super strong like this would be really hopeful for our company for you to beat you know, and will pay many thousand a year. And I'll say, like, as far as the toby or the toby macquire, Sam Remy stuff goes, I think toby mcquire was, you know, my favorite Peter Parker for a long yeah, spider man was pretty solid, but he wasn't. He was not spider man. The comics is really funny and yeah, some of the later movies were able to pull that in a little bit more, but yeah, yeah, so, so my feeling is that toby quire was a really good Peter Parker and it okay, spider man was kind of why landed. Andrew Garfiel Lefelt the opposite. I thought it was not a great petty Parker and really good spider man. Yep, because like he's the Cocky, quick, quirky, quippy guy the whole time. Like that's not Peter Parker, though, like who's this cocky pretty boy? Like it's not my Peter Parker. He's not awkward at all. So, yeah, they Andrew Garfield ones. I amazing spider man's want in two now to we've talked about how much of the absolutely mess that was. I thought almost fine. I'm Lizard's kind of a boring villain. Well, I think that you nailed it with like him. Is the Peter Parker role wasn't as exciting one. Like I don't think wasn't believable. Yeah, even like it was a part where he liked the throw a football and at like bent the like the up right, upright. I was like this, and then he eat a basketball scene where he dunked it from like half court and he like not stuck in the bat and I was like are like are they just? That would be weird. Everybody in the school would be like, you're a superhero, you just jumped from a half court and broke through the backboard, like nobody's just like that's Peter like address any of it. It is something that I that you don't think about, but in all of these movies, the in the origin stories, they're like this is the first ever superhero, right, because they're other than like avengers and things like that, where they reference their other superheroes. besize like Spiderman is the only superpower person ever, and then you know, lizard like shows up magically and he's also the only superpower person. So yeah, but yes, I think people would be like, okay, that's something some sky get rights. I just thought that the Peter Parker versions of him, like you mentioned, or week it was also it wasn't that long after the yeah, and they literally replayed those scenes where ALC bend and you're like like, I don't know, it wasn't much a different right. It was just a little repetitive in that sense, and I know you can't necessarily fault the movie. I will say that you can. The action, I think, was better. Yeah, it was. It was demolished. It benefits from being later just in movie making time, just because they used a lot of cg for the...

...fighting, which I think works with how Spider Man Bites. I think it's hard to look it's crazy to look back at those two thousand spider man's and realize none of that fighting was in CG. I like that was just like two guys in suits punching each other and it was still it was sid like and but you could notice coming from that to these new Spiderman's, you're like wow, this is like incredibly exciting and like really fast movie. This is kind of how I picture spider man actually fighting, and so there was a bit of a difference in action. Even in the second one, when you watch the fight scenes and just him flying around New York, it was like incredible because I hadn't seen like because I'm coming from a spider man that was very cheesy, kind of Hooky, but I still like better. Yeah, I I like the Stanley Cameo where he's got the headphones on. Yeah, people band. That's like a big thing in the background. I I enjoyed that quite a bit. I was I was hysterically laughing. I did. I do appreciate that they tried to do something different with the whole peer. Parker's dad has a dark past. But then like never panned out. Yeah, well, I mean they were planning on doing an entire universe, right, there's gonna be a centers six, right, spider man three right now. But then spider man, amazing spider man too, happened and and he will didn't I didn't like that one very much. Yeah, because it wasn't very good. So and I went to that one and I enjoyed it for the most part. Is One of those things where you go back later and you think about it, just like what was what was electros deal, you know, and but I think one of the big things that killed that, and it's something that didn't bother me because I saw it coming a mile away, was killing Gwen at the end of second movie. Right. I think people might have been willing to overlook some of the hookiness like they had in the original ones if it wasn't like, oh well, they're let's build up this great couple and they have chemistry and now, oh, she's dead. That the movies over. That's it. Yeah, bit of a bomber that, but yeah, I mean, if you know anything of the comics, student that's supposed to happen. I also thought the electros character was. So we've talked about creating villains before. We got a whole villain episode where you and it's like a good villain is a villain that you could understand why they're doing what they're doing. Uh Huh. Electro was a little different. Electro was kind of like an oppressed, like nerd individual who was murdered. Well, anyway, people accidentally knocked him into a tank full of los o. That shrieking didn't he didn't work. They just like people walking by anything, like nobody even realize that they's knocked him into a tiny deals. But that I'm pretty sure that's how and it's like he died by accident. I understand why he I couldn't quite make a connection this other than him his brain getting fried by state. If I remember correctly, he was pretty much by himself. Just. Yeah, might stam so electrical work over an open VAT of water, for one thing, with electric eels in it. So what you're saying is, yeah, I mean Osha would be like sorry, electo, you're not getting compensation. This is your father. Yeah, so I don't have much to say on the under Garth, the ones I you know, the first one was fine and the second one was not. And well, okay. So, for my understanding, they actually like tried to the tie in movie in the Tian Game. They actually dug more into the subplot of his parents, which again, as we told Disney, cross media stuff is not not the helpful. Yeah, video game tiens are never considered cannon unless you're fortnight and star wars is happening night for nights. I. Yeah, yeah, no, but I think I just I would restate that the action was actually really good to the electro ights, very entertain it's one of those movies it's actually pretty solid. Watching d there's not a whole lot of those. I think. I prefer to watch regular death, but when I watched it D I was like pretty amazed. It was a roller coaster ride. Yeah, but again his character was kind of just like hey, like, nobody ever really listens to me and I was murdered and then, even though by knowd by accident in spider man's like all right, like cool, nice to meet you. Go over there and he's like like the isn't he like a fan spider man in that movie or something? Or he wants to and so like he kind of like let's loose and I'm and I'm like he's not only that terrible guys really pissed spider man, which is acause, kind of justifiably so, he didn't remember his name. And Yeah, it was it was just like it was just like this sad moment where you're like, I don't really want you to kill this guy, but apparently he's not dead, so hellay. Yeah, the Andrew Garfield movies. Again, they were interesting. They did the Gwen thing, which I thought was really good. They did the death for dad, which is a big comic thing. That's a pretty early story. But they never never really got to build off of either of those very much because, you know, they all got two movies in...

...and they fell on the same trap that most of the comic movies are falling into that time, which is, well, let's just put all our villains into one movie, the more villains the better, and then let's set up a cinematic universe in our last five minutes and see what's going on there. Yeah, I think another thing with that one is the marketing was interesting because, like the trailers and stuff, there's a whole bunch of really interesting stuff in there. That never made it into the final movie. Yeah, it was all like, oh, there's they moved pretty heavily on the trailers on the Hector's like there's three major villains. Is Rhino, electro, and who's the other one? It was Harry again. Oh yeah, but he was just screen Goblin. Right, yeah, he was. He was weird mutated Goblin boy. Oh Yeah, yeah, I didn't like that. And righto came at the very end. Yeah, but the trailer made it sound like there are kind of three villains. I would have equal screen time and we're kind to kind of like gang up on him. That was the impression I got from the trailers. And it's like no rights, like literally just an afterthought of the end of the movie. It's basically mostly about electro and Harry's kind of there, yeah, to other good. So that, yeah, the trailer did it do service to the movie, but making it seem like a more interesting movie. And again, they were fun movies, like I enjoyed watching them at the time. I went like I enjoyed them, like ry go say, and the action was better, you know, the humor was better, like spider man was legitimately funny. Yeah, yeah, he was definitely better quipping. Actually have hang on, actually have. Oh No, you've discovered my weakness. It's tiny knives. Yeah, yeah, they were. I thought they were pretty solid movies. I don't think the second one deserved all of the hate that it got. M I don't, but see, I I was looking at us like it's not. Honestly, I don't think it was as bad as spiderman three was, but at the same time I was like, no, this is good, because marvels can get Spiderman. Yeah, that's so I was. I was okay with this happening, and I think there were some there's some talks already going on to do that, yea, or even spider man to yeah, thoughts on amazing spider man's I think I'll float the first one. I've called it quiz like. I watched the first one and him. Every time I'll try to watch the one that you got. They're talking about put me to sleep. Why? I remember multiple days of just laying down. It's just lad talk in front of me. Allow you know what, I will watch this movie, Bob's Bob the Tim and his in. I'm gone like he gone so uncivilized. So you never got it. You never got around watching too. No, no, Byman, and I mean how much more can we say on it? They got it was the reason that they got turned back over to marvel. So I mean, ultimately I think it was a good thing that that it failed so badly. Well, one other thing I'll ask. Did you guys ever see the deleted scene from the second movie where his dad shows up? No, like that was apparently something they were planning on doing, is having his parents, or at least his dad, still be alive. I remember like his dad shows up at the funeral for, or after the funeral for Gwen and as a conversation with them. So I mean they were setting up some interesting stuff. That's just actually something from what is the explanation for him being an orphan? Like comics? It just period. I I don't remember them actually talking about it's just kind of like, well, he's an Arphl well, his parents. For a long time they didn't talk about it, and then his parents were spies that were murdered by the Red Skull. Seriously, Yep, it's awesome, and they died in a plane. Yeah, so that's actually all that stuff from amazing spyder man too. was kind of what they're alluding to. Yeah, and then like they did ultimate comics, which is like a different universe, miles morella still has his dad. Yeah, Miles Moron still has dad, but like the Peter Parker from there, his dad. It was a similar thing. His parents were, I think, like scientists and it had something to do with the Venom Project and people were trying to get ahold of that and they got murdered in like a clandestine way there too. So it's always been something like they're working on something or they're trying to their secret agents, or they're working on something. They die and every once in a while we allude to that, but mostly we just ignore because spider man's real parents are in manacle. Ben. True, so true. So I got a question. Yeah, we're does hang on, hang on the last two. You got a question. Where does the last two movie? Because, like the whole this whole universe, I'm confused about the last two, like the Tom Ham ones, like what far from home? Yeah, we're just about to jump into that. So any any final thoughts on the inner Gar for the lone before we move one of the Tomhall anything? Yeah, me too. And they they were they're honestly didn't leave a big and print. I learned that spider man get skateboard. Well, just think of the timeline. I mean so so we have spent when...

...the spider man three come out? It was at two thousand and five. I can look that up. Two Thousand and six him, did I summoned the you know, is maybe it was two thousand like seven. Okay, I'm just going to type in spider man I. Let's see if it gives me everything and you. Okay, first thing on my home spider man three reportedly feature spots of SEAMI. Yeah, so amazing Spiderman was two thousand and twelve. Spiderman three was two thousand seven. So it was a five year gap. So five year gap, and then think of think of when the Tom Holland one happened, or if CIBIL. That was a three year gap between amazing Spiderman two and homecoming. Pretty good. But what about civil wars? That happened before homecoming could right, that was a what like a two year gap? Yes, two thousand and sixteen. I was very short and Spiderman was shoehorned. Yeah, that movie like last minute. So that's because they they they got the deal and they put in their like put him in the movie. They wanted him in there the whole time, but the deal wouldn't work out. M originally Black Panther was basically going to play the spider man roll. So I cannot see Chadwick Boseman quipping, at least not child does man as pink and Pink Panther as panther fan takes the black. My point with those my point with those dates, is that the reason that Andrew Garfield when it's just completely lost, because it is. When people say it, I'm like, Oh, yeah, that happened. It's because it was a five year gap and then it's two year gap and it was gone like then. It's also two movies and then two years later they're gone. So it's existed in this tiny window that, like it was not that great. It's also the middle child, like the first three, the first trilogy was remarkable for being that, an xmen being like the first big budget superhero movies that were really successful. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, other than it's like super man has his movies, but they were kind of like they we were like super mainstream. The other the one around that time was played, people love. Yeah, but the thing and it is like a comic book movie. But I never thought about as a comic Boomyo, just like this is just like a goofy action thriller. Wesley Snipe, it's Westley snips, right. Yeah, so, so I was never like but in the Comic Book Characters Getting a movie. I was like, no, there's a movie with with West the snipes chopping up vampires. This is awesome, where a spider man and and x men are both, you know, like these are comic book characters. Yeah, and unapologetically. So, yeah, except for costens and xmn. Sure, sure we're expecting yellow SPANDEX yes, I I want. I want to see that, please in high death, if you please. I want to see. I want to see. I want to see every single curve on Hugh Jackman's Butt. Oh well, that that should be clipped. Well, that's to be fair. You see his just his butt right in when he's escaping from project X and pretty much every xment movie. Yeah, they know that. The fans want play your crowd man. All right, Tom Holland, yeah, Tom Han and and okay, so first of all, Tom Holland looks like he's ten or fourteen. Huge advantage for him. He's like twenty something. It was way less creepy for his high school scenes in the Toba. Yeah, well, I thought Toby McGuire was in college, which roll know in the first one. He's Nice. When he graduates in the right he's like a senior, and I've seen, I mean I've seen high school seniors that look like toby McGuire and that's true. Yeah, so Garfield was was weird. Garfield was like Garfield was like, Dude, you're like a four year old model. Yeah, and you're not a high school nerd. Yeah, they're cooler than all these people. Yeah, Tom Holland, I think just ORP every end. He I in my in my opinion, is the best spider man because he does a great awkward, socially Awkward Peter Parker and then he also the way he does spider man is, at least for my understanding, spider man quips as a as a way to calm his nerves, and that's what that's the VIBE I get from the Tom Hallnspierman's just like nervous energy of him just quipping to calm himself down. Oh yeah, so I really, really like Tom Holland Spiderman and is his relationship with iron man, I think is also really good. And with the what's his friend's name, the one who knows a secret? Ned's Ned, ned, ned met this great. So the weird thing about like Tom Holland spider man is, and this is what confuse me, when they announced they're going to do into the spider verse, he's like Ned in that there was a character named ned leads in the old comics. But Ned, like as portrayed in the spider man movies, is actually based on a character from miles morrow's comics. Right Ganky, who is? He looks exactly like him, he acts exactly like him and they made some it was so, you know, similar like in the comics. Afterwards, ned like it's doing I can't remember what he's doing, but he's like he's talking to somebody's trying not to reveal the his identity because they know that he knows spider man. He's like, yeah, my name's Ned net. Yet it's Ned, but yeah, so that was interesting and they'd pull a lot of stuff from miles like Peter being like in a a special school, like being really in all the like science academy, there's there's a bunch of stuff which was really...

...cool and again I think it's one of the Best Peter Parker and the best versions spider man. But I'm like his environment is from a from another character. You're serious? Exactly? Yeah, but I really enjoyed them and I appreciate the fact that Marvel exects were finally, like, everyone knows spider man's origin story. We don't need to talk about it. What I did find was weird is that apparently aunt may has Benjamin Button disease, because she's like eighty in toil quire version and she's like sixty in Andrew Garfield version. She's like, you know, like she looks like a like, like an older mom. She looks she's went from my grandmother to an older mom, to lack of better term, like, you know, sixteen, new pregnant, not not quite, but like Mercer Tom Ay looks so low. She's fifty two or something, but in that movie she looks like She's twenty something. She looks like but the shit has tombled, which she was sixteen. I think. I think things like that adds so much to the newer spider man, like. I know that's such a small thing that now aunt may's hot, like and it's and it's kind of a riffed on thing, like even even like even Tony Start initially, right off the bat, he's like, he's like you're oddly attractive, aunt or whatever M and it's like that's something that you can change to make your spider man a little more unique in this in this period, this period of time where spider man's are crammed together, and it doesn't nobody's gonna get mad, nobody's gonna be like this isn't right. Aunt maze supposed to be old and hideous, like you know, she's no chrone. They're all they're all fine like with that. And Yeah, it does make its stand out, makes it a little bit different. And it was just at the first time she was on screen. Is a little dark because it don't realize it was supposed to be ant may until they're like it's a I was like wait, what, I think I didn't know spider man as sister. And it's a good like, if you know the characters, a good running yeah, now thing, yeah, yeah, and I think and I think she does a great job. So so it's just like an initial shock of how old is she and then looking up, the actress is actually fifty something, but she looks crazy. I guess they're like Hey, Tom Hollam, look looks way too young. Let's get actress who looks, think, way too young. I think they're I did see a story at one point where mercattenmant Tom took the role and then they like sent her like reading material and she got a look at what ant may is supposed to look like and she's like what in the world aunt may like? Comic Book? Ammet looks like looked like she was dead, like in the S. tell you is Benjamin Budon disease. But yeah, the so, you know, homecoming was great, I thought. I thought Michael Keaton as fault. Sure, he did a really good job and you know, his motivation made sense. You know, all the character motivations made a lot of sense. Donald Clover had the cameo. That was pretty cool, which she talked about miles and that. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, so it and and again they just jumped right into the key spider man, because that which because they introduced him in civil war, which I thought was really cool. Yeah, and his relationship with iron man and kind of, you know, trying to find a father figure in Tony Stark, which good luck with that. And then it. I thought the transitioned really well into I I think he was a great in and given Infinity Warr end game, I don't feel so good. Mr Stark. Yeah, so I thought he was great in Infinity Warr end game, but far from home I thought was excellent. I really are from home? Is I really really enjoy that? or I thought yeah, the first time, just because the development, it's almost like his character velament with twenty stark and Tony Start not even being there, develops a lot because, yeah, he's he's what he's doing? That with Mysterio, where he's kind of latching onto mysterio as this likeness, the new father figure. Yep, thinking he's he can't really make it, and really mysterious to likable character until yeah, I know he's an asshole. Yeah, which from my perspective, knowing that mysterio was a villain, right, if you don't know mysterious of villa, and then you're kind of like, okay, you know it's this guy. But knowing mysterious of villains, like, okay, when is the PIN can drop? And you know it doesn't. Like two Thurns the way through the movie and I was like wait, are they going to make Mysterio a good guy? Uh Huh, and then he's like boom, holograms, yeah, boomo. So, even knowing that the twist was going to happen, I thought they did a really good job. It was. It was good because, like, like you said, going through it like okay, what are they going to review that one? Are they reveal? They did say multiverse. Is this going to be like a right Mysteri, Righto, like you get that far in your thought process, like right before, right before that Hologram reveal. And then's I really like it's since cat pilgrim with that he's fighting that Lucas Lee and he's like, well, you don't know, but the league cool, bad. Let's go get a beer. It's like, all right, punch them. Oh, you are a pretty good actor. Like to me it's like, Oh, you got me day all, you got me good. That movie does such a good...

...job tonally, like like the tone of the movie shifts from comedy to Action to sentimental really seamlessly, and a lot of movies struggle to do that. The Star Wars again, just because we can't go full episode of mentioning Star Wars and the atrocity that are the new star wars. HMM, see, that's an example of such a poorly done job of that. Like you do, you put characters in a universe where tone wise all the comedies coming in the wrong times. You have no depth with characters, you don't have any kind of sentimental moments because you haven't developed any depth. This one it's like this is like exactly how you should do a fun movie that can still be funny and still be very sentimental. And he is. That moment would happy where he picks him up in that feel old you know, in in. Where is it? Where is he? He's in Nether Netherlands. Yeah, he picks him up in that field and had this big moment where he's just like, I can't do this, you know it's going to be too hard and any kind of like he talks with them and then he's like all right, I'm going to do it, and then then he sees him essentially building the spider man suit like Tony built the iron man. So, yeah, how he's just sitting there watching those Oh what's up happy and he's like nothing. You like and he doesn't. He doesn't admit it, but you, you as the audience, or feeling with what happy is feeling and you're like Ah, like it. This is just so good on every level. Yeah, they were making jokes a second ago. They're just put on some music and now I'm getting hyped for some action and there's these sentiments, almost like moments, and it's like Oh, so good and yeah, just and you had the whole cinematic universe to build off of, because iron man is like a strong character in that movie, despite the fact that he is dead and he never appears. Yeah, yeah, I would say he's the that's one of the strongest. That's this some of the strongest iron man character we've had. It's just like, okay, well, and I talked about my issues with irons given even his sense of humor, with the with the edith classes, even dead. I'm the hero. I but but I think one of the big criticisms for Tom Holland spider man. I was like okay, well, yeah, I wanted spider man, not like kid iron man, and I think one of the things with the far from home is that you kind of are able to pull out of that, like that scene where, yeah, they're omaging like the beginning of the mcior they're imaging like iron man, but it's Peter. The whole point of the movie is Peter Stepping out of that shadow. Yeah, being like Hey, I'm brilliant enough to actually build myself a suit of armor. Yeah, it was. It was the growth moment for him, because he was again, you know, he was looking up to iron man as a father figure and kind of like again that you latching onto him as kind of like a show them what to do. And you know you tend to when you have someone like that like an a mental roll, you tend to try to follow in their footsteps. So trying to do that and then he tony dies. Spoiler for end game. Yeah, watch it. What's wrong with you? You know, he suddenly has to find his own identity and he does that like, you know, I've learned from iron man, but I'm still, you know, I am a spider man. Yeah, and it was I think the character was a lot stronger for it. Yeah, yeah, I really liked it and and and, you know, I think they did a really good job of having it the part, because a lot of the a lot of the marble stuff can feel isolated until they bring in the bringing together. But Spiderman's always felt like it's part of the mcu because of iron man's kind of thread running through and the mentioning all the stuff and then it so it feels much more integrated than you know, like for to they also do a good job with it being like a high school on Earth. Like imagine how crazy high seas are. Bad, like like the whole beginning is that omage that it is so well done. It's like this is exactly what a high school, you know, Group of people would do, is like make make this homage to Tony Stark and like there it's all so emotional. They do a good job explaining that. The bullet or whatever. The beginning of that okay, except for the fact that apparently no one likes everyone else stop school for five years and I was like, well, ione's back, time to start school again. Well, and and also I mentioned this before, it's like every meaningful character happened to lip. Yeah, that it was that. It was like all the main kid characters, that one teacher that you care about who's kind of funny. It takes some of the class field trips and yeah, literally all of the kids that didn't you met, seeing all of them flip. They missed an opportunity there too, because you could have had some really great parker. Look, you know Peter Parker drama. He came back in Himj was suddenly in college. That would have been there than the kind of offer. Okay, I have some clips here. Yeah. Well, gang, I have to bid you ad a little early today. Hold on a second. I was as got a piece out at eight hundred forty and it's a forty three. So you had your three minutes there. But you can find me on facebook...

...at chapter one films. You can email me Grig at chapter one films Dot Biz or visit my website, www dot chapter one films dot Biz. Until next them, gang, you guys all keep talking about spider man. Oh Yeah, all right, see Greg. All right, so any final thoughts on Tom Holland before we move on to and I will talk about spiderverse, but we we talked about that spiders a lot during the they're in a boat episode. So we'll keep that brief. They meant thoughts on the so you've seen about? Have you seen both the spider man's vague like I'm seeing them, but I vaguely remember. Yeah, like, Um, because again, it was from that the whole like the whole time. I'll watching like the new ones, like the like them. The toby wire went off, I would my whole question was, what is going on? Yeah, like and then like a friend of mine had explained to me like the whole concept of the last two spider man because they were like look, it's like you said earlier. Is it after like a certain part of like the Marvel Cinematic Universe? I'm like yeah, yeah, they're actually quite good. They're quite good, they're very they actually feel very different from the toby and wire once again, because I feel like they're integrated in the mcu. Yeah, so it feels like it's leading up to spider man becoming part of the avengers, the new avengers, and yeah, I think this is something that xmen is going to benefit from. To is like if you've been watching the mcu from the beginning, you like the comics, the whole time you're sitting there like well, I mean iron man's awesome, Captain America's really cool, you know Thor Oh an avengers movie. This is great. I really wish spider man was here right and the whole time, like up until right before civil war came out, he's like, Oh, well, I can't happen. It's like legal stuff, and then when you finally get him in there, it's just this it's this missing piece. Yeah, he didn't hits in Super Well, and so I think the new movies have benefited from that. To there was like this longing to see the character and is proper environments like, not as the only superhero in the world, right, and then you civil war happen and you can jump in and then he's interacting with iron man, always interacting with a exercise video of Captain America. Yeah, that was good one. And Yeah, so that's something I think can't really be discounted, but I feel like someone should have been there the whole time. And Hmm. And, like I said, I think the XMEN are going to benefit from that to whenever, because marvel has those now too, and I'm sure Kevin Figi has some plans. I hope so. I hope so. We'll see. We'll see where it goes. I it'll be interesting to see if they end up crossing it over with Benam because if somebody, if somebody's willing to play ball, they both of them are like right, think. Yeah. I think the problem is they're both like we want sixty percent of the profits and the like. Fifty Si. reboot him again. You're not going to get much of the profits anyway. Yeah, right, like, if you, if you. Yeah, I think we're the point where, like, if they, if Sony Takes Tom Holland, we should wait out spider yeah, because we've seen because again, like you said, we've seen it. When he's in his way, he's where he supposed to be, and that's in this integrated universe. Now, when the universe ends eventually, which snow it sustainable forever, that eventually ends in Sonny. If Sonny still has the rights to spider man, they're like, okay, we want to do spider man again. Maybe, but if they trut like you know, we want to, we want to do our own thing because spider man's making so much money, we want to do it on our own. I think people will not like that and I have no problem if they want to do like standalone spider man movies. Yeah, Sonny gets the profit for that in the future after this third one. Like, yeah, him in the mcu, let him cross over. Yeah, if you want to kind of do your own thing. You know, there's that's how comic books work. Yeah, there's a title where spider man's done stuff by himself and then there's title worries on the Avengers and there's a title worries on the fantastic for the right coming out the same time. Right, right, right. But and you could do that, like you could literally, especially after the space stuff, the far from home, you could actually have the character and character be like, you know what, I just want to be back in New York for a little bit. Yeah, do the small time stuff. Yeah, nowaday we did you watch the end? Did you watch far from home where they're in Europe and it's Mysterio? Yeah, so you remember that what happened in the very, very, very very end, which we're about to spoil, so major spoilers for this. I'm about to spoilers an incredit scenes, and so it has huge implications for what's going to happen in face for for an, you know, when it comes out in two thousand and twenty two. First of all, change our Jamis yeses, but j Jonne Jamison, like jk Simon, j Jonn Jamison shows back up and it says yeah, and says and and...

...mysterial like sends a worldwide message that Peter Parker Spider Man. Yeah, okay, okay, I do see that one. Yeah, so huge implications. One, his cover is blown and to j Jon and Jamison is somehow at JK Simmons is j Jon and Jamison is somehow there with a man with a ponytail. And and for some reason nick theory was in space. Yeah, that was not as an appressive for some reason the series. For some reason he's a lot of keys. For some reason they theories in space. But the implications are at right because in far from home mysterios whole cover is that it's the multiverse, but the doctor strange is actually like what secrets of the multiverse or mysteries of the multiverse ruts? multiverse of Menness, multiverse of madness. Right. So, and Dr Strnge is going to be in the third they have. They named it that name, the third spider, the Third Spiderman. But comic con is going on this week's so it is likely. It seems likely that they are merging all the different continuities that we've had so with her. Be Amazing if, in if we had had Pelly Bire, Andrew Garfieldi Tom Holland, all sweet web swing anything as those are the rumors. They're going around, especially since the electro announcement, right, and this doctor strange announcement, right, because because now you have you have confirmed. Jk Simmons from Toby McGuire verse was in far from home and Jamie Fox from Garfield verse, okay, is slated to be in spider man three. So who knows? Now it'll be interesting to see, because I don't think necessarily, you know, we were supposed to think that, you know, jk Simmons crossed over from another universe. Right, I'm sure for sure. But yeah, it was a fun nod and I was like, Oh, they're bringing back some of the old actors and maybe that's all that they're going to do, right, and I'm fine with that. But yeah, it would be incredibly cool and people want that. People want to see, especially after into the spider verse. People want to see toby wire Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland team up and that would be and awesome. Maybe Punch them, almost like a live action spider verse. Yeah, and then making spiders to write they are. What other verses are they going to break into? I'm assuming two thousand and ninety nine, based on all, based on the yeah, yeah, and I know they're doing like a spider women animated movie to night, like Spider Gwen and a couple. There's a lot of spider women. Yeah, I don't know which ones they're doing, but yeah, and so let's transition briefly to spider versus. We did to talk about it a lot. You saw spiders, right. Yeah, what'd you think? I'm glad this is but no, run that it. Honestly, I liked it because it like I was I like it was the first time I became sentimental to spider man, because I like, HMM, like you're teaching this, like it was like the old, like and traditional spider man, teaching like the new, the rookie, how to be the rookie and like what a hero really like, what a true hero should be. So like I like that aspect of it and it it's to me. It summed up like what the UN answered questions of all the other spider man's together, like in this movie, like with this one, like with like the original spider man. So like, to me, all those I could be wrong, but those plot points to me were answered, because it's like all the to me, the his role and of the leadership. He reminded me of like uncle being his character a little bit. Yeah, because I was like no, like no cleats, pleats, but like in a comical world, like things like that had to happen. But so, yeah, I like food. Yeah, it was also just gorgeous. And the case of spider man, what's like good, Yep. So, what happened to Spider Creek? They all just went back. Yeah, those went back to their universes. I wash my hands. That's why the wet. No other reason. Well, if you're hungry for more of spider man, he actually has a short film that was attached to like the BLU ray. There's like a little Mooney tune style hand can watch one of my other favorites from that is that's all, folks. Is he all have to say that, like legally? Is He in black and white? Where's that wind coming from? Run or me in a basement where I go the wind falls, the wind it smells like rain. I...

...just loves. I'm taking this magical cube with me and then at the end credit scenehere it's like showing everyone he's solved it. Yeah, but I really enjoyed I love spider verse. Then I've talked about it before. Yeah, so I'm not going to go into it too much, but Peter B Parker is probably like the closest to my favorite version of spider man. So that's. Before that it was Andrew Garfield, and then I just really enjoyed what's the actor's name? Come on, no, glad the guy to play the deided the voice for Peter p par it wasn't it darker line? Right, no, is it isn't it? Chris Paine? Chris Pine is the dead spider man. Okay, hold on, he's blond spider man. And then, but they have very similar voices. I cannot remember the game. I'm looking it up. Let's see. Let's see. It's going to bother me as soon as I see Jake Johnson. Yeah, Jake Johnson, it is nick from new girl. Yeah, and you know, Peter B Parker is basically what nick from new girl would have been like if he got spider bars. But no one. So I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed the interaction on one of the cool things about miles is peter is his uncle Ben, basically hmm in the comics and in the movie, and then he basically has his uncle Aaron, which is kind of also his uncle Ben. But yeah, the message anybody can be a hero, one of Stanley's last cameos to it's just there's so much in that movie that I really love. So yeah, it's it's fantastic. And they wanted award for the animation, didn't? They deserved it. Yeah, I'm so. I think they've managed to get a firm hold on that style of animation. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was probably the best. This is a comic book come to life movie, because they're definitely in a lot of those kinds of moves that kind of try to bring the comic book like Sin City, which I enjoyed, since city the kind of try to lean into the the art style at the original hulk movie. Yeah, for the Angle One d comic book panels playing out on the screen at the same time. I even got pilgrim, a movie I love, Love, love, love love, kind of had a little bit of a Comic Book, e style, on the new gaming style, but the just gorgeous movie. Yeah, and that I think that was I've heard read several places that was one of the goals. As you can pause it at any point, it would look like a piece of Comic Book Art. Yeah, and they definitely achieve that. Yeah, I was I was going to use as my incho it's purity and the thing Lovitson. Yeah, that one's great. So, yeah, I mean that's I've really we talked about most of the movie stuff and most of the TV stuff as well. I feel like there's not much more to talk about except for the Games. The game. I have not been able to play the most recent game and yeah, I haven't either. Everard it's really, really good. I first like a return to form, to the the spider man two tie in one, which was really good, apparently, if you like the combat from the Batman Arkham Games and you like decent web swinging and a good spider man story. Was it hit all those notes? Yeah, yeah, so I haven't played a D spider man game since the Gamecube, which I played spider man too, which is really good, and I played ultimate spider man, which was really good. I think those two were kind of the gold standard spider man, yes, until potentially the one that none of us has played yet. Yeah, the the psfour one, which which apparently is like because barely all the other ones, why, the shadows chattered dimensions, like had good moments, but was just like repetitive combat heavy and not about free web swinging, which is like, come on, they got to have free yeah, really, you gotta Have Free Web swinging in a spider man game. Yeah, and even like they tried to fix it a little bit up in the amazing spider man. Yeah, but like their way to do that was you would like pause and then you can kind of pick where you wanted to go or what trick you wanted to do, and it just it broke the flow and it wasn't EA. Yeah, that and that was one of the things that loves about Spiderman too. And ultimate spider man was, hey, if you go above the buildings, there's nothing to be a whip on too. And also amazing spider man, or amazing at the spider man. Once you won, you got to play his venom and you literally ate people to regain health. Yeah, really, and his wall crawling was like smashing trunks out of the boat. Yeah, yeah, it's it was a really fun gyme, but the voice acting was but it also did like it was spider man too obviously presented itself like the movie, whereas ultimate Spiderman present itself like a comic books. All the cutscenes are comic book pages. Yeah, I think like that. And it was actually like it actually had a good story, like him. Well, it's like Mary Jane, Him and Mary Jane or I don't remember. It's been a long because I've played it. So one of the interesting things about that is that's basically like an untold chapter of the ultimate spider man comics, right, like it picks up at the end of the first venom story, like where you're on the football field in the rain. Right, it does its own thing, explains like how venom actually gets the spider right, fider powers right because he absorbed spider man at some...

...point in that game. Yeah, and then if you if you really like ult in spider man comics and you like video games, should go play because it's original story. Yeah, cls. Yeah, IT'S A it's a game cube game, so good luck finding it. Might have been M Pstwo as well. I think it was on I think it was on Xbox to I think it was. Maybe. Yeah, all the major yeah, but the thing is I hear a lot of people talk about spider man too, in terms of like good spider man games, but I almost hear nobody talking about ultimate spider man. And it was really good. Yes, spider man too. I think the thing was like you had so much controller of the webs wing. Yeah, use the different triggers to see which side you were going to go on. You can control like your speed when you let go all that stuff, and for a game that old, it was just an incredible amount of control. Yeah, I was a huge light to me. My all time spider man game this maximum carnage. That's a really good one. That is really really good one, because it's like, to me, I like the even though it was a comic book based, like the playability for me really got me because like the the you played through, like even first age is like one of the hardest. Yeah, they so hard. It was so sick and hard. Oh, but it was the competition factor in the drive that made you go, you know what, what did I do? Brom the last time, and I so it. It just had a lot. I mean, I've played the I want to say it was the first toby McGuire game. It came out. Yeah, and like I enjoyed that. They have a spider man one game. I don't remember. The thing is, I'm I only remember spider man too, because it was different. It was level based. You could play as the Green Goblin afterwards. Yeah, I don't know, I don't think I put you that. We had a lot of weird abilities, like flaming super speed. Yeah, yeah, it's like a cheek coat or something you unlocked at the end of the game, which you play as the Goblin. HMM. But all the levels were like it was either you're swinging around a certain portion of the city trying to do something or you were in like a warehouse or something playing a spider man. You fought shocker and yeah, I remember you fought shakery and ultimate spider man. I just remember him. The quips. Yeah, it's just like triple ply the qushion. I enjoyed that a lot. Yeah, quilte man. Yeah, I think the to I think the again not having played the most recent game, because what was that was the most recent one? You've played? Most recent one I've played was probably amazing spider man too, which I think it was. It may have been the last one since or the last one before before this one, the marvel spider man. Right, right. So I played a bunch of them. I did play a little bit of Webb a shadows. That was fun. Everyone was venom and then I missed out on they did like spider verse style Games almost that. Didn't play through those where it was like spider man teaming up with Spider Man Two thousand and ninety nine and spider man that will think. Also said that a shutter dimensions. Yeah, there's two. There were two of those. There's one. There's a spider man two thousand and ninety nine, ultimate spider man, the regular spider man, and then something else. HMM, might have been more. I think it actually was. I think once more. Yeah, but all that, they all had different animation styles and different style levels and stuff. But I if I played through that when I never got all the way through it because I was just looking for good webs I mean where I could find this right right, and it's been so long since they actually come out with like a good webs wing game. I'll say prototype was like a better spider man game than spider man. Even they weren't swinging. It was like a venom game. Yeah, I mean it was. It definitely was. But you, yeah, it's definitely like the villain east side, but the kind of like free running and like flying, zooming around the city. It felt like a spiderman game should feel, if you wanted to play well, like the acrobatics of spider man. The clause of folarine and all of the powers have been a prototype is a pretty good series. It's pretty fun. It's pretty fun. The best thing to do was to do the pet when you got the patsy ability, and so you like eat some eat a police officer, turning to him, walk into one with guard outposts and be like it's him and they'll shoot him to death. It was both of those games for fun. Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed. Enjoyed prototype one really, really weird and dark, but they were in yeah, the story was being incredibly and was so much. He's definitely one of the boot like saints rose like. Does the story really matter because the messing around is just so much fun. So I yeah, I thought the were great, fantastic games. I played some of the most, one of the most freest. I think it was the most recent saints row, the one where you end up like the superpowers. That one is clea great it's it was what crack down two should heaven and failed to be. The thing with that is like you lose every all the rest of the game play, because why are you...

...just the vehicle? Yeah, I can fly, yeah, yeah, it made vehicles completely useless. But I was okay with that because I was just like, you know, jumping around the city and and the dubstep gun was the best thing ever because it not only was it crazy powerful and we don't want you level it up all the way, essentially infinite ammo and exploded, but also if you just shot it at the ground, all the street lights start flickering different colors, all the cars start bouncing up and down and every single civilian in the area starts doing the robot uncontrollably. It's amazing. I loved it so much. A ridiculous game. I I've loved the Saints Row Games. There's so much fun. They were. They were I like. I played GRANTU that all four once and I was like I'm really bored. Let me just go out and get as many stars. I could have got five stars. Instantly died and I was like that wasn't fun. Saints were too. I'm just like like this is what it should have been. Is just insane fun. But Spider man, Spider Man Games, I think he's really fun. In Mar Works, Capcom two and three. I those. He in ultimate alliance. More Waltamani was I did play a lot of spider man and altomant alliance. Yeah, if you got the DLC plays venom to. WHOO, there's like a villains back, Huh. Yeah, but also also going to lance. Was a really good set of games. Yeah, there's where's a little bit. Was a little map. I have not played the third one. It's fine, it's a little easy. It was like exclusively on the switch right. Yes, yeah, it was a little easy and it was not very long. I forgot that that came out, to be honest. Yeah, it was. I mean it was fun, but me and my brother played through it in like a weekend and we're like well, okay, what's what else does there to do? Not a whole lot. There's only a bunch of challenges you can unlock. You can play as Stanos and Magneto and all these villains, but it's like, well, we kind of finished the game. Well, I will say and suffers from exactly the same thing. Once you go mack on the all the characters, there's nothing left but any of the Lego Marvel Games. Those our rate. I think we're talking about those the other night. Yeah, it stands like thanks, spider man. Yeah, you get excel seal. Apparently in the vent the avengers game, which I have layedter one of them, a couple of them, Stanley gets a standbuster suit, which is a buster that just looks like it's got a robot head with the stand mustad and then it's painted to look like him and his in this close as like a like a pain instead of a gallic. It's awesome. Yeah, do is in Lego Mervel superheroes. Once you rescued all fifty Stanley's because you like got lost everywhere, and then you could play a Stanley and he could like hulk out and he could swing around the cigarette much spider man and shoot shoot lags like he could do it. He had everythy like one to every single power except four squrel will squirrel throwing ability, because I was just too strong. I can't make them too strong, but those are fun games. So that was the thing. Like I finally unlocked the last character. There is no gameplay left. Yes, nothing left, like there's absolutely nothing left. Yeah, I just remember ultimate alliance I got because me and my brother played through xpen legends, one, two and then we played ultimate alliance and I would always play like the Ronot Maley pickers. So I played wolverine and Xpen legends and I play, like WHO's that playing? I was like for or someone who likes some some run in and beat people up, and my brother was like, Oh, I'll just be captain America, and Captain America's shield throw leveled up to ricochet like if at times until everything this would walk into a room, he throws should once it kill everyone and I would never level up. So he fight the boss. That's so true. And so we fight the boss and I would die because I had no health because I was so under level. I was like this is fun and he's just like Ha, done to shield. Now I did play Marvel's the avengers there Beta and that was a lot of fun. Like Captain Americas, that one throwing wasn't there. It's A. It's a new game that came out. Basically you can play is like play online with people. You can each pick an avengers character. I don't know you. Those are the new one, then rand new. Okay, Ye, angers. They're putting spider man in it for the PSFOUR PES five, only I'm not better about that at all. Jess Sony is Sony is so Sony and Disney are both so nobody gets to play with my toys, like my guys. If people haven't figured it out, I'm an xbox Guy. I would love to switch to play a spider man, but I don't have the money, for all don't have money. So you got that, Kay, yeah, you get that cash. So so you know. Final thoughts. Final thoughts on spider man. Well, I will say you know I love reading the comics. I was I've have some recommendations based on what movies you might have enjoyed, like, I think if you people really like the Sam Rami Spider man movies, basically reading any classic Silver Age Spider Man, but I would say specifically going back and maybe you're reading Stanley's original run on the character, which is amazing fantasy fifteen and amazing spider man one through one hundred. Pick anything in there. You probably like it. For if you really enjoyed the amazing spider man, you like the Andrew Garfield check out Brian...

Michael Bendes's ultimate spider man, which leads into Miles Morales. Can Get you a some guy homework done for spider verse as well in there. And the the death of ultimate spider man is one of my favorite spider man stories of all that. If you really like the Tom Holland version, ultimate spider man is also pretty good for you. If you like the spider man iron man dynamic, that J michaels Prezenski stuff that I like. It has spider man and iron man. I'm a civil war really cool. And if he likes spiderverse, is actually a comic called spider verse which introduces an edge of spiders, which introduces most of the characters in there. Penny Parker comes out for the first time, spider gwen is out for the first time, Spiderham is in there doing really important stuff. We just like Spiderhan. There's a comic called Peter Porker, the spectacular Spider Ham, which is a lot of fun and you can probably find it online somewhere. There's lots of comic services. But yeah, and, like I said, in my favorite run is the jmichelster Zinski run as well. So and I'm sure that I had more detail on that, but I'm just kind of going off with the real fast. Damian. Final thoughts on spider man. He nailed it personally, like over the years he's grown on me, like he really does, because how gain gained a new person, a new perspective in a new adoration form. But I mean there's just there's just one that can question I have because, like with every other superhero, I understand every other superhero, but there's like where, and all the movies that I watch with him, I was like, okay, wait, he's whistling. Where does the Web Goo? Where does who actually an ultimate spider man? Obviously it's not, because it was Gamecube. It wasn't like all the Webs, but you could like look back and you'd see webs hanging from where you'd swung from. Okay, so some, some, it's kind of some really kind of mostly goes on the dress well, and I think that's they do try to do that and they explain something like that is set to dissolve after a certain amount of time. Yeah, they they disappear after an hour, which is, you know, great for clean up, really annoying if spider man happens to have webbed you to something. There's a great there's a great moment and new avengers, which is spider man, teams up with like the avengers and Luke Cage. Okay, they go into beat up. They going after electro and Luke cage is like so, how do you normally beat up electro? He's like well, usually I like wear like rubber gloves. are like. I web up my hands. He's like, doom me up, web about my hands. He goes in punches of get some information from comes back. It's like Oka, get this off. He's like, Oh, it'll be off in an hour. Sweet Christmas much. It'll be off in an hour. Oh yeah, and if you like spider man in the mcu, check out new avengers. Yeah, it's great series. Take these off. It'll be off in an hour. Did you say? Yeah, I so. It's funny because I really enjoy spider man in all the things I've seen him in, the amazing spider man, not the standing again. The first one was good it's going. was just kind of like it got executive to death. Yeah, just look spider men three, HMM, but and dark phoenix and x three and anyways, Star Wars, Star Wars. Yeah, tire sequel trilogy. Focus, focus, but it's funny because Spiderman isn't like a character that I think a lot about. But you know, anytime there's a new spiderman thing, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to check that out because I I really enjoy him as a character. I think he's a he's a lot of fun. He's very relatable because he's not because he's not like Super Cocky, like Oh, I got this, you know, like iron man, iron man I and I think iron man's a fun character, but like he's kind of a douchebag. I don't I don't identify with more like a hope. I hope I'm not like that. Right, like he's you know, the cocky swagger in the Superhero can get real grating real fast. I actually find it more fun when there's Cocky spier like Mr Satan, where it's like cocky swagger and it's like know, you're actually, you're actually nothing. Is like what you talking about? I'm grime the great as well, like okay, Bro, but I do love that he he is kind of this awkward teenager who's well, you know or whatever, that he's not. He's not overly confident for the most part, right. He's makes very relatable because it's like, okay, you know, am I doing the right thing? You know, and he was one of the first superheroes to do that. Yeah, Stanley, he was the character concept was initially rejected. That's why it ended up in a book called amazing fantasy, right, and they just can't eat. Did that as a backdoor pilot and I canceled series and he was like, yeah, I want to do a teenage superhero that has like real life problems and maybe the focus of the story isn't that he's having trouble beating up the bad guy.

Maybe it's that he can't pay his rent. Who? Yeah, which is classic Spiderman. Yeah, I like that. Now, before we go out, I have one final question for you. Are you familiar with the time that Mary Jane died because Spider Man had poison sperm? Yes, spider man, right. Can you explain that? Do I do you want me to explain that? Yes, I absolutely do I like. Why did they think this was a good ideas? Goot, radioactive blood. Okay, look out, what's he evaculating blood to see ads. So that that is a storyline for those who aren't familiar, and that is the thing that gets pulled out of it. Or you know, that's the thing the story is famous for. But basically marvel was like, Hey, you know how Batman has the Dark Knight returns this Edgy Story in the future where Batman is retired and me sad, but then he comes back and, you know, beats up Superman and is awesome. Let's let's do that with spider man, because spider man is obviously our dark, brooding, edgy character that that would work with. And how can we make him? And basically spider man, I think if I'm in a room, very clip remembering correctly, and that is like retired. He's a little old man that runs a flower shop and the comics is very depressing because he talks to Mj all the time and she's not there. Right, she's she you never see her face. I don't think she never responds. He's just hallucinating that she's there. And then eventually he goes to like a tombstone and reveals through some some dialog that, you know, repeated exposure to is being a radioactive person killed her. So so like if he went into a laboratory, would a guy her counter just go crazy? Apparently it really depends on what kind of radiation it is. So I'm mad. I'm not about this. Yeah, yeah, Spider Man Rain, if you want to check that out, for some reason I don't recommend it. Yeah, I don't recommend that either. Like my guys, it's your friendly neighbor of spider man. I thought you were going to talk about the time the spider man decided to be, you know, very responsible and say if his dying aunt by selling his marriage to the devil, that will. That happened. Yeah, that also happened. Well, that like a main thing. It was that like a what if? Oh, that's the main thing. Oh, so it's why spider man isn't married in the comics anymore. Seriously, that was recent. It was not recent, it was early s sadly, it's the end of that Jay Michael Strazinski run that I keep recommending. He does this really great job of building up how MJ is essential to him, even being spider man and then editorial comes in as like yeah, we don't want that anymore. Can you write that out? And he was like well, no, but they put his name on the story anyway. HMM, like one of the editors actually wrote and drew it and it was heavily the latest terrible, also one I don't recommend. Spider Man One more day, Spiderman, one day more. Yeah, he sells his marriage to the devil. Yeah, it's so weird. Aunt may has been shot because he revealed his identity and civil war. He gets really angry about it. It goes to the entire marble universe. Literally, he goes to doctor strange and doctor strange does a thing where he can magically ask everyone for ever once and anyways like no, she's an old lady with a gunshot wound. She's dying, we can't help her, it's her time. That's really weak because, like, magic exists and gunshot wounds, unless you get shot in the brain or in the heart, gunshownes are pretty treatable. Yeah, well, I mean doctor strange, I think it's busy or something. I don't know. Everyone in the entire year rooting, including Dr Doom. Yeah, like everyone were like yeah, I could fix her and makes you like this, Mecca, Mecca, aunt that's what should have happened. Yeah, that's what should have so, yeah, that happens. And then Mephisto shows up and it's like hey, I have a deal for you, and he and Mj decide to make that decision together to raise their marriage so that aunt may can but sorry, what did Mephisto get out of this? The I'm trying to remember. It's wedding. We incredibly it's a terribly written story. I think it's the satisfaction that their souls will forever be an anguish because they know that they should be together that they can't. Also, right before he magics everything away, he takes the form of a little redheaded girl and says, Hey, if you guys hadn't done this, you would have had a kid. Did they understand that you don't have to legally married to have sex? Oh, they yet this is a long rabbit hole that we're going down, but yeah, I'm I realize you're not supposed to like question these sorts of things, but like, come on, like that sloppy right. A New Universe's explanation for why they broke up and how all the stories that you like still happened is that they almost got married but then Peter got knocked unconscious in a battle and then they didn't, and then they were just serious boyfriend and girlfriend and then just broke up for every reason. Huh, I guess that's satisfying. Yeah, well, on that note, I know we should keep that one in the episode. L I thought you'RE gonna ask about over keeping that. Let us know. Let us know what you what you think about spider man. Could bad. The ugly etcter E C. You can reach US deally debated at gmailcom or deal at dearly debated on twitter. You can check out greg of my youtube channel, the kitchen chemist, on Youtube. You...

...can find me at holy goal on on twitter. How about you, Jason? You can find me on twitter, facebook thinking instagram as well. Now at comic exile or at Comic Xilcom by the time this goes up, I'm sure I'll written some more stuff about spider man, with spider man recommendations, but I also go into one other favorite series of mine on they're already the superior spider man, right. Yeah, we talked about but yeah, you can find me, a comic exile, and I just got a facebook. Oh, but it's it. That's it. Yeah, is it just Bamian, Damian at facebookcom no, it's just Damian and my last thing knots on facebook. US hit him up. Yeah, and about all right. So until next time, by up. But then also it's gonna be good deal spot spotty bells, botty bells swinging through mid town. Or What funness sling a web and take the bad guys down body belts, botty bells quipping all the time? Or what fun to swing around New York while bunny crime whipping through the streets of New York every night, wrapping back guys up in my website tight, crawling up the walls, making villains fight. Would Fun to make the holidays free from crime tonight, all the spider bells, Goblin spells, vulture, late and egg, spoder, buggy blue, a tire venom got away. He Spotty Bells, botty bells swinging all the way. Or what part it is the fight the bad guys every night, swinging through the streets a web of Spider Sith, kicking all the butts of villains and their ilk bumps from Goblin's flaying flame, Pumpkins womming bright fright. Hard it is to consistently bring piece of New York one night. I hope Sparty bows might be swelled to do more that by crime. I got a lot of qualities that don't get much that time. I can say I can dance, I tell jokes, I act, I could big, big, big deal. praiser called me back. Why did I agree to do this stupid song? I have a degree in I thought it would be fun to show this side of me. Now I feet it lacks artistic integrity. Sparty Belles, Sparty bows, telling on my good name for an impulse by helps, spidy bills, spidy bells and flute with deep regret, canceling the Song's release for the press, I get oh, Spotty Bell, spotty bells swinging from a town or what fun to sling a web and take the bad guys dad.

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