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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 17 · 10 months ago

Thwiplash!

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're talking about the most famous arachnid-themed superhero! Gregsaw is readyyyyyyyyy, Jason wants pictures of that webbed menace, Nathanael sues OSHA for electric-eel related incidents, and special guest Damion Knotts merely adopted the symbiote!

Up earlier today, tragedy striking thenew musical spidermen two too many spidermen the show build as the mostflying Spiderman ever assembled on. One staks cast members were criticallyinjured at the hands of Spider, Man's greatest foes gravity and floors intrue Broadway fashion. Producers insist that the injured actors will bereplaced and the show will go on andithat spider man and then therSpiderman and all Thetiman Toi Thafa, Orbee Parker, with pitiful, couldn't have been any shy. Marry jeans till would notice him. His hair was on five utthen one thing: He went to that:fince Liv that you taid fin came down e croeveryone's wall and Hes waitin.All over town, Aoydoh, Aoleilo sing US SOA, you're ha spider. Man SingUS Wa Tonight Cause Wer Ali all right. My question is: Did you dance down thestreet? You got the Suwer, you emost, bettermanthat's, wonderful, all rightso I mean all right. Wewe are ready to start. So, Oh my God, how did you do that? Okay, Ithink that shouldn't okay, all right, welcome to daly debated on the PODCAST,but you're entitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong IAM your hostNathaniel Levinson- and I got you for threeminutes- actually have the one Yo with me today- are Iam a Greg Gutbee,brends hango. I think I have that one. Oh! No. I didn't put on the boardWowwow wowwows e Gotwei'm, your friendly neighborhood Jason Daniel Niceto meet you and for the first time ever we have icool yea what', your name, a Guy Taever. We have someone cool onthis Po S. Lke you guys arehloser Gona. Do thisnot really not reallyfeeing? So with me, so you know how usually, whentails from an Ellimane dimension happens, I just come back in my desklike there's lightning and then on my desk. Is the paper yeah? Wellsomething's, really wherd happend! Something Really! You know trulybizarre happened. I was sitting at my desk pot contemplating life, as I do fromtime to time, and a portal opened up to a paralleluniverse, where I was sitting there werly in the other universe, 'm, I'mseven feet tall and incredible shape, and I can't coot crap very were right,but he lookd took one look at my soundboard. Slapped me across the face,then reached a hand, a glowing finger like et and touched to my computer andupgraded my soundboard. So now that I could do this Youjusyeah it's, I got some good onehere o here. This will be Greag,...

...so anyways Gess tothey were GOINGTA, betalking about Spiderman like I clooked it up, and I cand playit all together, so it actually like works. REARLYLL htthreemnt, I'm going to be very much ausing thispower and of course I was I was as I was demonstrating one of the best partsabout this sonboard is. I can do this. You remember with great power somegreat responsibility, yeah exacly, all right, no thi know: let's go manlike we NSGNGESTAE S, gotta go okay. So, let's just open up with what was yourfirst experience of spider man. First Experience, a spirerman that youcan remember, I believe, was an animated t show it was funny as a kid they had so muchspecifically in that animated TV show. I forgot what the exact name was, theone that came out in the late s early Viteman, the anmaer yeah there wes, so many crossover episodeswere like, like iron man would show up our war machine and- and I remember asa kid that confusing me so much so- I never even knew what to call it. I feellike it's Tho show that primarily features bu man. That was for sure my first experiencewith him. I knew like he was kind of a staple character and I probably gotmore into him as I started, playing marvel versus CAF come one one of my favorite characters. O usewas venom and my brother would always play with spider man you get to pick toso my my team was benemand war machine because I didn't have iron man, ACANCOMU, don't know why Thet Chowse warm machine that Iman and then my brotherwould always do captain America and Spiderman, and so I kind of Gess to bity on the spidymirror match yeah. It was. It was a definitely a fun game,obviously kept com to was alwait capon three S. what's the big popular inCappon to Marvos gap, punty was really popular, so it was re oae. So theninfinit was yeah. Cap Gon to was was the was the one thatI played more than cat ot one, but mywes cap come on is probably where Ilearned about Spiderman he most yeah. I would. I was thinking about itand I honestly think my first exposure was being babysat at someone's house andthey had a like a psycogenesis and playing like it was probably Maximimcarnager one of the spider man games and we just like couldn't get past thislevel, because Git was terrible. I as OBA my first and kiunt of Wespireman,but I I do remember most of my exposure to him before the Tolivan fire movies and Inma TV shows was marvos kept Om to I Hada lunchback. To sorry I want tothrow that in there red lunch box. He was fighting Scorpionand I thought it was a cooltslaunch Bot, an I think. My first experience wasactually I'm trying to think it was at as at my carbor. They had all thesecomics. They would just lay out, and one of them was like lates early Spiderman conmic, where hefought the vulture yeah. I think that's the first time I saw it the fultureyeah and then, of course, like Igel SanSpiderman, animated series watched a lot of that and yeah. That's that's myrealiegoust experience Beeman my birst experience. Okay, I got to getit out of my system. Dam first experience with Whith Spiderman, Ofirst experience would be, I would say, the same lonage Jason, but I came likeI used to go to comic book store whole time and for some reason it really was a bad experience because,instead of I know, Taln on spider ran, but rowing up, hang a Lon Iwas, not ahuge fan, but I mean aslike Ecause, I'm like okay.What's so great about to me, so Onupi never really did understand the wholeconcept of it. I was more of like a Egmining Guy Butbut, like the more thatI got older and stuff and more mature...

...demadable. But, like the more I got older and I oustarted to- I guess- high school, my cousins and friends. They used to play the games where, inth everybody used to choose spiderme an is like why troll up the rock on sign constantly exactly but I mean caush. So to me I was like m. The scenes havebeen: I'm go, Lik Mlove, it yeah m yeah. I definitely nvc to played a lot about hem. He waslike one card as like: Okay kind of get UEM like Venomon Jugger, not rememberwho else Irman. Maybe I think I played spider man cable forthe most war, Hmmkay whatwas, a good one. I did like Amegared anyways YeahMarbas Kov O to is great, but we're not here to talk about that. We're going totalk about Spiderman. So, let's jump first into the comics which I have like.I don't think I've ever read a Spiderman Comic, so I'm in those overto you guys have you have you? EEER EPNI gave Jason a lot of spider man,comics Oneye g yeah. I had a whole bunch of comics and eall. You guystalkd about Commic, so much tewes broughtem one day and you an have youhad R had you ever read them or you just have them no was just given to me.There's a four bock of COMMIC SOAS, like I don't know to do these, but Iprobably shouldn't throw them out caus kind of Mike like they have. No you, Iguess, and then Jan was like IAVE is not a bad day. No sorry t the long answering now Idon't you never reada on a so because talk to is about spider man comics, youwant to start yeah. Where do we spackman? I mean I'm no top MO spike. I mean, I think you should starti okay,so I was a lot of like Damian like growing up. I want like watched, thomespider Maan cartoons was not my favorite by a long shot x when theanimated series wis better and Badman, the animated series was way better yeahand that whole universe was better built yen. The e one I yeah, but when I was ithink in High School, my dad gave me agift for Christmas and it was this one of the earliest attempts thatselling digital comics marvel did. It was just a CN collection I you couldput, but it was every spiderman comic from the debut all the way up to liketwo thousand and four okay, and I read that a few times so and Itas every issue of amazingSpiderman, which was really awesome until like the Ns when they startedcrossing over with all the other spider man titles and then there were noin nocomplete stories in their. But so that's when I really learned tolove the characters, because I basically just started at the beginning-and I was also a kid in high school who got picked on so the you know: Th thebeginning premise, kind of eripped me there, but now and I've been reading spiderman stuff. Eversince I'm I've read everything in the amazingspiderman up until the current run, which I'm notcompletely caught up on. But whenever the library gets the new trade, Iusually check it out so yeah. So I've really a lot of SA coksNice Nice. So what is your favorite iteration? Well, I think my favorite is. It isPeter Parker, but I really like there's a run by Ja, Michael Strezinski, which iskind of like a back to basics for the character. Youalso was like hey, maybe Spiderman's magic, which was kind of weird but yeah. It was was really interesting. Ron they'vebeen doing this thing and they've got into it. Marvel like the chief. The heads didn'treally like the fact that Spiderman was married. Like you know, people can'trelate to that, so they everyone who buys these arevirgins. For many years, they've been like trying to figure out how to getsome executive, that's an executive and then everyone, literally ever knowsinslike...

...but yeah for years, they've been tryingto get rid of that. They'd had MJ, maybe kill a little but then broughtback and then them separated and everything and jam a was Pesenski thiybrought him in. He was like well I'm going to get him back together andspend a whole lot of time doing that there was this period where it was like.Spiderman was actually like a capable adult. You KnowHew's buried and may found out a secret identity during that time. That was areally great issue ended up joining the avengers at thatpoint was like teaching as a working as a math teacher or something I think, ora science teatre in his old high school is just probably my favorite point inthe character's history was the aunt maything just like one issue of him ofher being like of of her just like being mad at him, I'm being like little bit and she's like so. Okay, not not Guenstafani, Gen, stacy yeah isthat? Are they alway? Is that like a like a Mik o like a one or the other, or is itlike one, then the other or does it depend on the run? It was like original stuff, it was Glin, stacycame first, Mary Jane was introduced and it waskind of like like a well who is he more interestedin and then he picks Gwen and he gets really exactly. He gets really serious with Glenn andthen you know bad things happen. Oh yeah, nospoilerort for something. That's happened multiple times in the commicshe dies and the movie w get to and which is nolonger cannans. We can talk about Er freelybut they are bringing back. Jamiepox is electro for that o. So weird and I okay, so I have a theory about that and it's because I think they're just they're making everything Canon againwith the with DCR stranges maltiverse thing. That's why I feel like itshappening, because Dr sfaes apparently also in the new Spiderman Yep, so Iwish they would have done, is with the TV show because yeah we cando that later, but that yeaheah yeah okay. So before we jump into talking about the cartoons, let's go list to the teams on for the sot such an aggressive opening the baseline Bouh yeah, I'm Bi jazz hands. You can't seethat Butas Jist, like is he strong, listen up he's got radioactive blood. Tha hes is that WHATT is that? Doesthat coalate with being strongs usualy that correlate Wul being dead, ut justTikyo from medicin perspective, your blood, it's realyoactive. I know pumpingit's amazing that in the MarvelUniverse, people aren't just walking on to like you know radioactive test sites, all the time,yeah right. When you think I mean it's funny because like given how everyonegets their powers, there should be more super parentlik. Everyone should besuper powerd because it's linbody, that's ever worked like you know, nearBom, or an rihtliterally. Everyone in Japan, like at just everyone,internoble, should just be like super pommer city like yeah. An it's notaaords doesn't work all right, so cartoons. Obviously the sone was the first one. It's ridiculous and hypermemable I'd love of the beansthat Ti songs, es really really good, but you know the the mean that theycopied an spider wistl that ner no of the your point to Gul be, but so I so I never watch. I don'tthink I watched a lot of spider mar cartoons, but I did watch oh my gosh. I don't remember which oneit was spiderman or it was only like twoseasons, long, the one where he had...

...like to webs his wings like the headlike under his arm, no one where he talked to a chiefy version of himself.All the time maybe do ye have a cape or he is' Gen in it. I think so actualy, Idon't remember. I remember really enjoying you, but I watched it so longago and I watched on Netflix O watch those traming service ECAUSE. I wasjust like. Oh look. Here's some marvel stuff. They've done a lot of spidermanshows in recent years. Yeah t they just EP. Can All I remember it was. Itwas like a newer one and it was like only two seasons long and I was likewait that was quite enjoyed that hone. I think it was tnoone where he'stalking to himself as a TB version, yeah so question I have at. Maybe this isfor a later portion in the show, but like now we have some icepirts here. I know there are two versions: spedRaund one where he actually spins the webs out of his body and one where he'sjust like a smart kid. So he develops yeah. I think the traditional one is,he creates the webshooters and I was the was it was. WAS IT IEER? Obviously,Jason will know this, but it was either ultimate spiderman or it was like theactual to an Guire Spiman that made its organic wepisode. Tubb mguire washappening and they decided part of that whole magic thing I was talking aboutthis Osincky run was so that he could get organic webshooters and then theyget do that for a couple of years, because you know general audience is abig way too confused if they, if it wasn't in, bought a comic book off theshelf, because they do that and then tr Yeah Yeh. I thought my knowledge is pidermen is isn'tenough, but I always thought that that seemed like it made more sense t it waslike okay, he gets bit by a spider, and now he haslike spider like features like he can climb on walls, and we can shoot wegs,Yep yeah. That makes sense in my head. It's kind of weird the idea t it's likeokay, you get spit by radioactors spider. Now he can climb on walls, andthen he builds his own webshooter. So I'm like that just seems like it justseems like it's too many directions ands too much of a coincidence like why?Wouldn't he just develop something else, it feels like he was leaning into hisidea, yeah and as as much as I love the original amazing fenasy fifteen, whicha comic Spiderman depute an it was sixteen pages long. So absently wasjust like. I think it was sixteen bas wi its very short. It was just not evena full comic. It was one story and like a Antolog whoops, I did not me to hitthat button and but yeah. So it was very quick. You geteverything from the the bullying the spider bite, all theway to uncle Ben's death, all in just like sixteen pages, but then you likewebshooters Sese and then at the very end, a narrator says the great power greatresponsibility line, not even Uncle Ben. It's a force, ghost yeah or maybe it isged uncle Ben. Who knows so any other thoughs abut the cartoons,because again I've only seen the one that I cil Thatt could think of oLoseeng the one. Well, I really liked the NES cartoons. When I was watchingas a kid I've gone back and watched it some since then some of it holds upsome of it is they they're really lazy on the animation. Tho are fun to go back and Wach to belike Orgod, there's three frings on this. This is the same flip that theyuse the MOLASTA, especially thing when the crossed overto the x man thing I was like, Oh God, yeah they. They also did a full versionof like marvel secret wars, which was one of the biggest events they'd everdone tot that point in time, which, as were cool yeah brought in like, isbasically the infinity war of right, rigt. True well, spider mean inAventer's assemble. I do not remember o yeah, I on t remember either I rememberenjoying Aveng an sembles really cheesy, but yeah jowing it, but don't rememberif spider Rom was there. I remember that all of the character designs fromravengers assemble were like strange action. figurized versions yeah, Ireally were they really were, but the pots were pretty decent yeah. I thinkyou were either talking about ultimate spider man which it was ultimate. Ithink it was is voice by. He was watchd by Drake Bell and the Ye yes, okay,yeah, that's the one. I watched the one voice by Breakbell Itas, pretty good. Idid not watch all of it, but that was the one where he would like team upwith like iron fish, yeah yeah yeah. I enjoyed that Igi a O. Iwas kind of like a Spiderman version of braving. The bold and then the one thatI really like my favorite one was actually the spectacular spidermanright, which one for, I think, also two seasons, and then God canceled, so thatultimate Spiderman could happen on another network, but that ne was really cool. It broughtback. It was Spighderman in high school, which post of the animated series areright. Ns One was weird because it was him as like a college student, a aprofessional. They managed it felt very much like the s kind of Stanley era comics, but theyalso were able to throw like venom and stuff. In There Yeah You spent AntoGuan and marry Jame fleshtom son. All the characters also had a really great theme. Son M: I only got the sixty in. We don't haveto play the all. No, we don't all right,...

...so, let's Gointo what most people willbe familiar with, which is the tremendous movies sbeen a lot of them,so I broke them up by actors, so we're just going to start with toby McGuire Rei really liked the first two thatthere were ther were excellent and then the third one I mean, I don't thinktoby macgire was the main issue with that. He wasn't, you know exactlywasn't crating it, but it wasn't. Tothe Po as thirty ONEAS AOR yeah yeah, butthey it was everyoe, was like Oh venamand Venamin, the last five minutes.Yeah is likeank Spider Min to the last five minutes. Where then, I was justlike yeah s but orking yeah, but yeah. I think the first two are reallyGoenlt Sell H. I think that I think my opinion. The second one is actuallybeter in the first one, which is you know, rare for for special for superhermovies. For the sequels to be to be better. You know they did t e theclassic Spiderman thing great parconsfere responsibility. I thoughtthey set up. You know the reason that he lets the guy goes because thewrestling Guy Chees meds prize money, you know, made a lot of sense n, thenHe'as like Oh and my uncle died. Because of that, but do love bat he'slearning how heis powers, which that's the falling thing in the Dad santhat's.Actually in the second one nown he's losing his powers, O yeah be like pbut.When he's trying to figure out the web fly's like Goe go OAD Goso. I thought that was yeah. I thought they were both TheyeWoth, really fun Geez. What's his what's his name win the FO as GreeGoblin and yeah oops. I hit two butts at the same times. The it's so good and I mean wonl of thefoll place crazy, really really well yeaso. The verst, the first movie, in myopinion, was like so good, even at the time. Obviously, at the time you know,both of us were pretty young were kids watching this everything from him like developingthise powers and, like you, kind of get in to see every phase of that in reallyexciting way. Like, like Jason, said, you know, he's clearly th the Dorky Guy,like we see this week, they do a really good, not heavy handed example of himjust being nerdy and kind of shy, and then all of a sudden him having thatMoe Wer like katches Nj and it catches all his food like those pieces of food,and if you guys didn't know to me, where actually did that yeah, heareally did that it took him. Like I don't know, I don't know if they saidit were a hundred dries, but it was like so many tries oe like listen to me.We can just like. We can just do this with CDI or I don't know I they ID.They told we COAN, just lik drop it down whan I dit like so they actuallylike I mean it was being dropped but like yeah, he teep like he moved theplate around and caught everything theyre like toby. We can. We can see Jaand Hehe as like he you're, not really spiderman, but then seeing this sogreat. Follow by like the fight scene, wherin Harry's, a likeable character,yeah WHO's. Just like, like look at the sitting there, like Whodo Wa health,you know, like somebody so many great scenes. There is when you, when you goback and watch it now, you can definitely see a little bit of theacting is dated like it's man very corny like Os ye really like thecharacters in here. Just like Hey wit, I like you're just like. Why would somebody talk like Thatthisis SUC? That was because it was rebut. It's still so such a charming movie andit's well. It's well told the story itself. The characters just carry thestory along Er like Wiln, defo and and told me W aquire. My opinion are bothexcellent and one and to really, but I think, you're right, the on Tefos noninto spoiler. He dies in the end of this one. Well, no, he isn't toactually right as a go. Yeah Harry's Forca Re's, like its funnya lot of comic book movies atthat time, really failed with their third act. Their third movie imea LikLS Xmen, did the same thi where you x, one x, two excellent movies. Really Imean they were getting thim out of the park at that time. A A it was such anexciting time if all of a sudden, like Spiderman, three xmen three, are bothjust dumpster fires and you're like what am I watch it like like? Why didwhat ID? Whose ideal was it to do this? Because I mean you blow through threevillains in spider man? Three, it's painful to watch because you havetotally macguire dancing, is eno toby myguire the whole rovie it folls along this kind of likepredictable storyline of him having this suit on and it's making im more ofa duch bag and tikes it off and he's fine and you're like that was reallythe big climax like come on. Guys do...

...better, but you know I mean I thinkthose movies, if my opinion are still the best. Oh, I remember by those twowe have to mention one of them, one of the most amazing things about about the the first Espireman thtoicWis Spinamans, ioh, yeah, igl, Adda, public man. What Yo doin on problem shut out he's sogod SN oways Bot, ertere sold out forprinces sold out every copy tomorrow morning,Spiderman page one with a decent Picku, a time wo've goten way, O aigt seven isprobb. I make a big Jaan, give hem te percent off. I make it five pere othat'sand. They actually respectedthat I appreciate even you know, even in the amazing Spirerman, the UNTEGarfield series, they respected thei by not casting anyone as Jona Jamison, andthen they didn't cast anyone to j, Jo Janson and come home once until theybrought jk Simmons back because he's just like you look at it kind of likeI'm trying to think they were like hey semiel Jackson. Can we model mic feryafter you, because you, the fuck, that you were the character we wont and it'slike Theye like JK Simmons? Can you B J an James Sa he's like I amj JohnJakeson Os, he's me just so perfect in that rol, an of the best casting itreally isnthe delen see where he's reing Theh Speck. It seems like jumpingaround on this fedisstlikegoes INSAE, one three hundred dollaouranges Don throwin a bar, so so funny he's an absolute treat. So youknow and Hes pantastic throughout all three yeah. The third one could havebeen amazing because everyone was super excited for it because they were likewhole venom. Yes, it's Ti like where lse do you go from? You went from GreenGoblin to dock ack to venom and everyone's like yes, Fen venoms, im thetrailer and it's like it's venom and then again we watch e hat theyre likepsych Guyea yeah, but to me that see when I was 't third one, I'm thinkingAllrigh, you know what to me. It could have chose somebody else to play in E.I'm thinking like who do they pick it'sa go o for great,so Freso, no idea who that is it's he guy from that seventy show yeah smalther, IT'S GETTING MOLL! You got this huge animated character, rn Venm, with all of his, like wit, andall he is his own individual personality as as the what they calldTa symbioid or Ibeo Cidio, and I isn't the whole point of Venom. I mean Idon't know if it was originally, but the whole pind of venom is that hethinks he's like hes Spiderman, like he's the GoodGuy Spiderman's, a bad guy. So he's not like a villain villain rights, namehere, e's a lot of death to his character and that's like that'sanother reason why it was such a disappointment just to be like you justruined this yr, that's not Yoralye. Now how was the venom movie? Because Ididn't watch it. I don't like the Beos so to me it for his role and three. Ilike okay, this yeah Ik. This is how was bus, the guy that they chose theban from te harding yeah. I was like yeah this mibedum right here because, like he id into the point about his death and characterIke, you really got to see it and just tha whole story line Omeah. Itwas definitely like worth making a whole movie about him, because e's gothe's, got sosh character, builer. It was as close as like to actual comicventomis. You could get when you can't put Spiderman in there right, like theonly thing that was missing was now ye went crazy because he hates sweater.Now, that's the reason it didn't get much praises, because the movie honestlyjust seems like an introduction to a character, and that was really thestoryline itself, not really that entertaining now, thiy breat, buthonestly that I good they did a really good job, making the comic book Vhenoma reality and H. here's an interesting question: Do you think I shouldhavebeen raded Ourso they could have shown, then I'm like actually bying people'shets off. I think the a pretty good yeah like like making him menacing andkind of like May. He would straight upstate like say the people I's likeI'm, going to bite your head off and don' know trip arms on you and thenlike it', so like they had a good job at making him menacing enough withoutlike going overboard to be like you get a still oner shand. This is a comic tmovie for Curs Andso Li Yo can't really like unless you're deadpool. Like youlike you, like you just N, you can't ruin that, in my opinion, I think I washappy to not see ou, gooer kind of...

...because, like just side tracking for a second,because we never do that here, but howseeit funny, like the whole kidsthing, because you have stuff like Venom where they'r kind of holdthimgback a little bit and then you have the movie like Shasam, where you know you.So it's like it's like big with superpowers. But then the Phillins arelike demons that are eating people yeah Shou Yu. Should we show people eatingon scre people getting young screen, I shouldn't, but we did yeah. But no, I thought, like you were saying.I thought they did a really good job. I don't think that you needed to actuallysee venom bite, anybody's heads off. That wasn't like mean he would say stuff like that. Ithink the eyes lungs Pancreus, all that kind of stuff is aligned from like areally classic penom comic, but he didn't actually do most of that stuffuntil, like the two thousands when it was not evenEddie Brock as venom, it was like a completely different guy in the suit itwas a little crazier man. You can believe that Wa are they planning to doa NM toand? Is it going to be carnage yea? Are they ever going to connect tospider man? That is a question that everyone is asking and they will notgive an answer, because, like honestly, how much miledge can you get out ofanom without having Spirerman, because he's the foil like Spireman, if ven Omhave to they play off of each other? See? And it's interesting because venomis in the same universe is Morbius, which is another one that they're doingand morees like a vampire yeah. The living vampire he's a signe uposed toRutin biers vampire made by Sciencepretty Muhbutin in the trailerfor that they have Michael Keaton. Oh It's the vulture! SoOh my gosh, it's all just like running together, ai guess its Deliberat, I'mfine with that! I'm fin with them, just like I what's going to happen, is ir goingto do a DC where it gets so compluted thet. Just like okay, here's, you knowhyper Jesus and he just going to annilate every universe t down to one.So we can move on essental. The DC did, which so ie read a fery shortof side. Iread both infinity war and crisis and infinite earths because they're likeequivalent ish, pretty close yeah right like say my sime idea of like the youknow, there's one giant baddy and everyone hats, a geing up to fight himin very more fantastic, a lot of things happening, but I was able to follow it.Chrisn LIV ING e Earth like two chappers and Hi'm, like I don't knowwhere we are right now. I can't fola this there's like seven differentflashes and none of them in when I know yeah. It's really confusing you kind ofneed a degree to go through a Prisis, yeah, yeah, yeah, ther Ahe, with the tortured myself and watching like thewhole Aro Berse yeah torture. We O. We talked about that Ftalk about that a couple episodes ago. WWAIT I quit! I couldn't do it, Icouldn't do it anyways any other thoughts on the TOA mguire ones? Well,I was going to say the first to again very strong, my absolute favorite movies at the timespider man to was my favorite movie for the longest time, because again it'shat it's that version of the character that I really like like casting in asecond one, was really great too doc. Ok was a really good billind againeverything the castting in that Aunt Bay was really well done. Yeat Harry kind of like becoming alittle bit more of an antique ero like like S, Gome the hate spidermanmore,more he's sitting there in the corner, with the Butler that it's in the thirdone its. Finally, just like Oh yeah, your dad killed himself, I probably should have told you Thau afew moments ago. Hary said he wants Spidermandad abouthis buddy pen. He can trust, but dont spoil the song ere going outon yeah the the third one was originally. I think it was justsupposed to be. Sam Raymi's idea was just the sandband story like it wassupposed to be. The first movie was like the theme was like responsibility.The second one, I think, was acceptance like accepting bhise lot in Lifei witerman and the third ane was supposed to be like forgiveness, and supposed to bethat I don't know why Sandman ended. Up being you know the actual killer ofUncle Ben. That was an interesting choice, but, like this I thought it wassome of the strongest parts of the third movie. Was Him and sand man'sinteraction? But then they ais, like the only dea son Yeahhad, I'm GontoTalk O Cau that whole three, like I said before I real confusn it might,they may have still planned. They probably still plan on doing the Harrypart of it too, and he's supposed to be both of those. But he because he wassupposed to become hom. Goli venom literally get just shoehorned in byexecutives that are like yeah, but the popular villain, his venom guys yougotta Yeah. They should have devoted the entire movie to him, a Shiv in thevery first third blacksuit spidy, with none of the dancing and then the othertwo thirds right. The middle third is...

...sparerman fixed thimself an ago rockecomes venom, a SOS doing, th stuff and then the laster is the big climaticbattle. But I mean like if you're going to set up Harry, he should have hadlike his own movie right right and they were planning on doing like a fourthone with like mysterio and stuff and all kinds of stuff. So it's said thatthat got ruined by executive, YEP yedrol. But I mean that thing thatnever happened again. Yea H and it's very true to comics too. You knowthat's how it works. Phoenix Yeah, I don't Phoenix, you know was so nicethey destroyed it twice right, I will say itfor the Expenso all right. So your move on to AndrewGarfield, all right, yeah sure. So, oh I just pason one MI think aboutSviremen to I think I think Spiderman two was myfavorite, because you don't have to worry about the origin story and it'syou know, and I thought docup was great villain. I thought the his strugglebetween like okay. How do I help this guy? Because it's not just like re gobljust comes out of nowher and he'Sjus psychotic right, but he sees DOKOCtratesforming into this. BILLN is like how can I you know? I you know: How canI reah reach this guy and then he's like? I just made two black holes andwe sunk one to the ocean light. So the earths just done right. Nowlike, good,bye earth is Esyou, guys understand how black holes work. Theyre just done.It's sorry. Everyone Bo a tiny black hole, O it's fairly, even aBlackbutyeah, so I thought I thought Spedrman to was as good, if not betterthan Spiderin one and inspireman three was a hurt voting in the wind orwhatever, whatever Benam says, that makes no sense, soo pizza time. Okay, how are you that bad at pizzadelivery, Bro, like you like, I'm not paying for those I'm not paying glovs?There are other jobs you can do in New York City like okay and again, thiswill go back to my complaint of like get a construction job you'll, neverget tired, like you'll rush right to the top of the like yeah HEU. Can hecan carry girders the thingnow? You can't profit off of being spidermanlike it's not like. If you're, if you're a pizza guy, you could just usethat to get the pizzas there on time time! Yeah! It's it's not like. Youshould choose a vocation that leans into your strength. Your literalstrength like. Why would you do that? Yeah? I'M NOT SAYING LIKE GO! Do that,like the rest, othem thing is like okay, that's a little bit unfair because youliterally super powered and they're just reating the people, okay, so thatwould say no, but but you can do a you could do something, whereas, like hey,if you're super strong like this will be really hopful for our company for tobe. You know and well pay eight sand a year and I'll say like as far as the tobor thetoby require Sam Rami stuff goes. I think Toby Maguire was you know myfavorite Peter Parker for a long yeah spiter man who was pretty solid so buthe wasn't, he was not spider mand. The comics is really funnyand I es Soofthe l movies were able to pull that in a little bit more but yeahyeah. So so my feeling is that toby and Guir was arealy good, puter, parthere and t okay, Spiderman kind of Wheri landed AndrewGirfe left up the opposite. I thought it was not a Grat, prety, Parker andreally good spider man Yep, because, like he's the Cocky Cirk Crooky quippy guythe whole time like that's, not Peter Parker, though like who's, this cockypretty boy, think it's not my peer Parker he's not awkward at all so yeahthey under girfield ones. I made expidemaens one and two. Now too, wetalked about how much foot absolute mess that was, I thought one was fine.I elesur it's kind of a boring villain. Well, I think that you Knai, that, withlike him is, is the Peter Parker role wasn't as exciting. One like, I don'tthink, wasn't believable yeah in like that was a part where he like, he threwa football, a that like bent the like the up, the right rights. I was likethis and then he eted the basketball scene, where you dunked it from like Half Corp and he like nut stuck in theback and Iwas like whaa like. Are they just? That would be weird everybody inthe school Wald be like you're a super hero. You just jumped from a half courtand broke through the backboard like nobody's just like that's Beter likeodidn't address any of it. It is something that I that you don't thinkabout, but IU k all of these movies, the in the orgin stories. They're likethis is the first ever superhero right because they're other than likeabengers and things like that, where they reference e their other superherosbut slizes like spaderman's, the only super power person ever and then youknow lizard like shows up magically a D he's also the only superpore person soyeah. But yes, I think people would be like okay, that's something somensGonta be right, so I just thought a the Peter Parker version to an like youmentioned or week. It was also it reall. Wasn't that long after the the Ye andthey literally replayed those scenes where Alkabenda and you'r like like yeah, I don't know it wasn't mucha difference. WTAT earight, it was just a little repetitive in that sense, andI don' know you can't necessarily folt the movie. I will say that Becan, theaction, I think was better yeah. It was, it was toengolish, it benefits frombeing later, just in movie making time...

...just because they used a lot of cg forthe fighting, which I think works with how Spiderman Bites. I think it's hardto it's crazy to look back at those two thousand Spider Mans and realize noneof that fighting was in CG. I like that was just like two guys in suitspunching each other d. It was still it was Sonlikon, and but you could noticecoming from that to these new spedermans you're like wow. This islike incredibly exciting and like really fast movie. This is kind of howI picture speer man actually fighting, and so there was a bit of a differencein action, even in the second one, when you watch the fight scenes and just himflying around New York, it was like incredible because I hadn't see likebecause I'm coming from a spiderman that was very cheesy kind of Hoky,which I still like better yeah. I did like the the Stanley Cameo, where he's Gote theheadphones on yeah and that's like a big thing. In the background I enjoyed that. Quite a bit I was, Iwas hysterically laughing. I did. I do appreciate that they tried to dosomething different with the whole peer parkers. Dad has a dark passbut then,like never pan down yeah. Well, I mean they were planning on doing an entireuniverse. Right, there's going to be a senterte six righte spider manthreeright, but then Speterman, amazing spiderman to happened and an peopledidn't Rei. Didn't like that, one very much yeah, because it wasn't very good so- and I went into that one and Ienjoyed it, for the most part is one of those things where you go back laterand you think about it. Jus like well. What was what was electros deal youknow, and but I think one of the big things thatkilled that and it's something that didn't bother me because I saw itcoming a mile away was killing gwen at the right. Second movie right. I thinkpeople might have been willing to overlook some of the hokiness like theyhad n the original ones. If it wasn't like, oh well, there, let's build upthis great couple and they have chemistry and now oh she's dead, old,the movies over. That's it yeah bid, WOTK bummer that but yeah I mean, if you know anythingAbouh the comics. You didn't know that's supposed to happen. I alsothought the electros character was so. We've talked about creating illnsbefore we a whole bill and episode where you- and it's like a good villain,is a fillain that you can understand. Why they're doing what they're doingato was a little different. Helectur was kind of like an oppressed like nerdindividual who was murdered LETMEA. We people accidentally knocked him into atank full of lose at a shriekinge. Didn't he didn't, were they just likepeople walking by like nobody even realized that they knocked him into aTan? I IC deals but tha, I'm pretty sure. That's how and it's like he diedby accdent. I don't understand why he I couldn't quite make the connection thisother than him his brain getting PRI, but I actual, if I remember correctly,he was pretty much by himself. Yes yeah. He pelmso electrical work over an openVAT of water for one thing and with electric eels in it. So what you'resaying is yeah I mean Osha would be like sorry,electo you're not getting compensation. This is your par yeah, so I don't have much to say onthe Antri Garp for the ones. I you know the first one was fine and the secondone was not and well okay. So for my understanding they actually like triedto the Tian movie or in the Tian Game. They actually dug more into the thesumplot of his parents, which again, as we've, told Disney cross media stuff,is not not helpful. Yeahvideo game tins are never considered cannon unlessyou're fortnight and star wars, s happening I for nights, EAYEAH! No! U I think Ijust. I would restate that the action was actually really good in an to theelectro fights very entertaing. It's one of those whois. It's actiolverysolid to Washington, Thd, there's not a whole lot of those. I think I prefer towatch regular death, but when I watched it in Thrd, I was like pretty amazed.It was like a roller coaster: ide yeah, NBUT, again his character was kind ofjust like hey, like nobody ever listens to me and I just murdered. You know Inoby accident Spidemans, like I like cool nice to meet. You go over thereand he's like like. Isn't he like a fan of sider man in that movie or somethingor he wants to, and so like he kind of like let's loose and I'm and I'm likehe's, not really that terrible guys really pissed spider man, which is I eas kind of Justifialy? So he didn't remember his name yeah it was. It wasjust like. It was just like a sad moment where, where you're like, Idon't really want you to kill this guy, but apparently is not dead, so rig Youh, the Intri Gar field movies. Againthey were interesting. They did the Gwen thing, which I thought was reallygood. They did the death for dad, which is a big comic thing. That's a prettyearly story, but they never never really got to build off of eitherof those very much because you know...

...they only got two movies in and theyfell Ino the same trap that most of the comicpoin movies are falling into thattime, which is well, let's just put all our villains into one movie, the morevillains, the better and then let's set up a cinematic universe in our lastfive minutes and see what's going on there yeah. I think another thing withthat: one is: The marketing was interesting because, like the trailersand stuff there's a whole bunch of really interesting stuff in there thatnever made it into the final move yeah, it was all like eithers. I they knewpretty heavily on the trailers on the Hectore's like there's, three majorvillains is rhyno electro and who, as the other one, it was Harry again. OhYea, but Ho's just screem Goblin right Yep.He was, he was weird mutated, Goblo boy, yeah yeah. I didn't like that right, ocame at like the vary yeah, butthe trailer made it sound like there were kind of three films that wouldhave ECO screentime wer kin, the kind of like gang up on him. That was theimpression I got from the trailers and tit was like no Rihta, like literallyjust an afterthought ot the end of the movie. It's basically mostly aboutelectro and Harrey's kind of there yeah to so that yeah, the trailer did it doservice to the movie by making it seem like a more interesting moving andagain they were fun movies like I enjoyed watching them at the time Iwent like I enjoyed him like or go saying. The action was better. You knowthe humor was better and like a Spiderman was legitimately funny, YeahYeah, he was definitely better. Quit then actually have hang on. I actuallyhave. Oh, no you've discovered my weakness. It's tiny knives, yeah yeah there were, I thought they were pretty solid movies.I don't think the second one deserved all of the hate that it got M. I don'tbut see. I was looking at I as like: It's not honestly. I don't think it was as badaspid of man. Three was but at the same time I was like no.This is good because marvels can gets by the MAM. Yeah that's I was. I wasokay with this happening and I think there were some there's some talksalready going on to do that or even spider man to yeahthoughts on amazing spederments. I think I' thoughtthe first one I've called it quicks, like I, I've watched the first one and everytime I'll try to watch the one that you got. Tar talking about. Put Me to sleeplike I remember multiple days, just laying down just my laptop infront of me Alou, you know what Eer Watch is movie. Bi was lik five te tenminutes and I'm Gond Life, I'm like he gone e Gocivied, so you never got. Younever got around to watching to no no Bumbrin, and I mean how much more canwe say on it. Hi Got. It was the reason that got turned back over to Marvele.So I mean ultimately, I think, was a good thing that that it failed so badly.Well, one of the thing I last did you guys ever see the deleved scene from hesecond movie, where his dad shows no like that was apparently somethingthey were planning on. Doing is having his parents, or least dad still be ableo remember, Likhis Dad shows up at the funeral or after the funeral for Gwenand as a conversation withit. So I mean they were setting up some interestingstuffsactually, something tro. What is the explanation for him being an orphanlike comics t just period? I don't remember the member actually talkingabout it. It' just kind oflike well he's an Arfhul, well his parents for along time. They didn't talk about it and then his parents were spies thatwere murdered by the Red Skull seriously yeah and awesome and theydied into Plang Roti yeah. So that's actually all that stuff from amazingspider, Manto, whats kind of what they're aloding to yeah and then like they did old ultimate comics,which was like a different universe. Mob Ral still has his dad yeah MasMaroustil has tha like the Peter Parker from there his dad it was a similarthing. His parents were, I think, like scientists and had something to do with the Venomproject, and people were trying to get a hold of that and they got murdered inlike a clendestine way. There too, so it's always been something like they'reworking on something are they're trying their secret agents ore they're workingon something they die and every once in a while. We allude to that, but mostlywe just ignore it, because Spidermans fral parents are an manacle BenRuesotrue. So I got a question yeah. Where doeshang out? Hang on the lives to you got a question. Wenwerd is the last twomovie because, like thet whole, this whole universe, I'm confused bout, thelates to like on ones like w far from home, yeah we're just about to jo bythat. So any any final thoughts in the entergar filling before we e one of thetime, ihn yeah me too thyr there honestly didn't leave a big inpriit. Ilearned that spider manget skateboard well ltk. Just think of the timeline Imean so so we have a SPI when yous spid...

Aman three commaun. What was at twohousand and five? I can look that up tthousand and six im did I summoned.The you know is: Maybe it was two thousand and like seven, okay, I'm justgoing to type in Spiderman. Let's see if it gives me ever Nany. Okay, first thing on my phone spiderman,three reportedly teachour spots of Samia yeah, so amazing spireman was othoueand and twelve epin. My three was Twothousan and seven, so was a fiveyear gap, sobout your Gat and then think of think of when the Tom Hall, aon happened, orte. If civil that was a three year gap between amazingSpiderman to and homecoming Er, you go bbutwatabout civil war because I happenbefore home guing couldbe right. That was a what like a two year: Gat Yeah,two thusand and sixteen was very short and Spiderman was Shehorn yeahto. Thatmovie like Thi last minute so thats, because they dake that the heel andthey put in ther like put him in the moove. They wanted him in there. Thewhole time the deal wouldn't work out. Originally Black Panther was basicallyGoinna play the spider man. I cannot see Chadwi Roseman quipping atleast not Chi. Dos manisping, pin panter ASP, pantertnotthose dates. Isthat the reason the Andri Garrfield wone is just completely lost because itis when people say I'm like going yeah. That happened it's because it was afive year gap and then it's to year gap and EA. I was gone like then I twomovies and then two years later, they're gone. So it's existed in thistiny window that, like it, was just not thite right. It's also the middle child,like the first three, the first chilogy was remarkable for being that and xmenbeing like the first big budget, superhero movies that were reallysuccessful. Correct me if I'm wrong yeah s like Soeman has movies, but they werekind of like t eever like super main stream, the other one around. That timewas played people, Love Yeah, but but the thing an itk is like a con bootmovie, but I never thought about it as a conce. You know just like this isjust like a goofy action. Thriller Ly Ma It's Weso slikes right yeah. So so Iwas never like O Weln the Comic Book Characters Setting a movie. I was likeno, it's a movie with with welty snipes chopping up vampires. This is awesome were as spiderman and and Xmen are.Both you know like these are comic but characters and unapologetically so yeah,except for costims in next mar sure sure wereo expecting yellow spandics.Yes, yes, I wan. I want to see that se o hid death. If you please want to see,I want to see, I want to see every single curve on huge Jagman's, but wellthat should be clip. WLTBE, fair. You see his just his buttright in when he's escaping from Mo Ojecect in pretty much every xmenboyeah. They know what the fans one play. Your crowd, man, Alright Tom Holland, yeah Tom, Han andand okay. So first of all, Tom Holland looks like he's ten or fourteen hugevand for him he's like twenty something it was vay less creepy for his sizschool scenes, ton thetopia yeah! Well, I hot toppy MGHIR. I was in college no, no in the first one he's nice when hegraduates in the Raster sems like a senior and I've seen I mean I've seenhigh school seniors that look like towe m bi, that's true yeah, so Garfield waswas weird. Garfield was like Garten was like Dude Youre like a oforyearoldmodel, yeah you're, not a high school nurse, yeah you're cooler than allthese people, Yeah Tom Holland. I think fisiral pro and to he. I in my in myopinion, is the best spiderman, because he does a great awkward, socially Awkward Peter Parker, and thenhe also the way he does spider man is, I lik formy understanding, Spidermanqlips as a as a way to calm his nerves and that's what that's the Bibe I getfrom the Tom Hanspirmens s like nervous energy of him just clipping to callhimself down Oh yeah, so I really really like com home and Despitermanand he's his relationship with Ironman, I think, is also really good and withthe what's his friend's name, the one who knows a secret tit's met Na. Yetthat is great, so the weird thing about like Tom Holland Spiderman is- and thisis what confused me when they announced they're going to ge into the spiderverse he's like Ned in that there was a character named dedleads in the Olcomics, but ned like as portrading. The Spiderman movies is actually based on acharacter from miles morrils comics right Gankee. Who is he looked exactlylike him? He acts exactly like him and they made some. It was so you knowsimilar like in the comics afterwards ned like it's doing. I can't rememberwhat he's doing, but he's like he's talking to somebodyhe's trying notto reveal that hes his identity, because they know that he knowsspiderman he's like yeah, my name 's Ned net. Yes, it's Ned, but yeah. So that was interesting andthey pull a lot of stuff from miles like her being like in a like, aspecial school o like being really...

...indolbled te like science academy,there's a bunch of stuff which was really cool and again I think it's oneof the Best Peter Parker and the best version spiderman. But I'm like thisenvironment is from it from another character, serious, exactly yeah, but I really enjoyed them and Iappreciate the fact that marvel exacts fer fine, like everyone, knows,Spiderman's organ story. We don't event talk about it. What I did find wasweird is that apparently aunt may has benjamen buttn disease she's likeeighty intomen buir version and she's like sixty in Ande Garfield version.She's, like you know, like she looks like a like. Like an older mom, shelooks. She went for my grandmother to an older mom to lack of better term. Like you know, sixteen and pregnant, not notquite but like Mercer Tomay, looks so yo she's, fifty two or something. Butin that movie she looks like She's twenty something she looks Lik, but theshe has com on Whit. She was sixteen. I think I think things like that had somuch to the nuver spider man like I know, that's such a small thing thatnow ant ais hot like and it's and it's kind of a rift on thing like even evenlike, even Tony Stark, initially right off the Baut he's like he's like youroddly attractive aunt or whatever yeah, and it's like that's something that youcan change to make your spiderman a little more unique in this. In thispuroyeahhis period of time. WHERK spinermens are crammed together and itdoesn't nobody's Gon to Etmat. Nobody's Gon Na be like this isn't right. Auntmay are supposed to be old and hideous like you, shes no Crom, like with thatand yeah it does make us stand out, makes im a little bit different and itwas just the first time she was on screen was litle, Dr Caus, I idn'trealize it was supposed to be aunt may until they'ere, like it, Samme was likewait. What Otisewa, like I id Espite Me Asi sister,and it's a good like F, you know the character I's a good running, Gat yeah,othe, othing yeah, and I think I think she does a great job so so it'ss likean inditial shock of how old is she and then looking op? The actress isactually fifty something Lek. She looks crazy. I guess they're, like Hey TomHollen, look looksway too young, let's be actess, who look tink way too young.I think there. I did see a story at one point where Marcar Timat antomate tookthe role and then they like sent her like reading material and she got TA.Look at what Ammay I supposed to look like and she's like what in the world ant Ma like powercol game may lookslike she looked like she was dead like in the S. tell you is Benjamin Bun disease, but yeah the so you know homecoming was great. Ithought I thought Michael Heaton as faullshirt. He did a really good joband you know his motivation made sense. You know all the character. Motivationsmade a lot of sense. Donmal glover had the CAMEA that was pretty cool when she talked about miles in thatyeah thatwas, pretty cool yeah, so it and and again they just jumped rightinto the hey spider man, because th whach, because they introduced him incivil war, which I thought was really cool yeah and his relationship withiron man and kind of you know trying to find a father figure in Tony Stark,which good luck with that yea and then I thought the transitionedreally well into EA. I think he was a great in Andgivin, an Infinie warendgame. I don't feel so good, Mr Stark yeah, so I thought he was great. Aninfiny warn end game, but far from home, I thought was excellent. I really ar from HOM is EAH. I reallyreally enjoy thatter than I thought, Eayeah the first time just because thedevelopment it's almost like his charracger of Relm, with twenty startand Tony Start not even being there develops a lot because yeah he he'swell he's doing that with Mysterio, where he's kind of latching on themysterio. As this like Tis, the new father figured Yos, thinkinhe can'treally make it an really mysterious tolikeable character. Nto Yeah. I nowhe's an Asshole Yeah Hich from my perspective, knowing that mysterio is a villainright. If you don't know mysterioes a villain, then you kind of like okay.You know here's this guy, but knowing mysterios of villains like okay. Whenis the pin drop, and you know it poes, like two thirds the way through themovie, and I was like wait: Are they going to make tmus der a good guy andthen he's like o Holograms, yeah oeven known that the tist was going tohappen? I thought they did a really good job. It was. It was good because,like like you said going through it like okay, when are they going toErview it? One of thing re, be, they did say multiversus this going to belike a right Mysterrio like you get that far and your thought process likeright before right before that Olidram reveal andthat's I real like it' is got Fokim. We that he's fighting Lucas Le and he'slike well, you kdow't know, but the league cool man, let's go, get a beer.It's like all right. Spodge said: Oh, you are a pretty good actor like to meits like. Oh, you got Meyou Gott good,...

...that movie jus such a good job. tonallylikely, like the tone of the movie, shifts from comedy to action tosentimental, really seenlessly and a lot of movies struggle to do that. TheStar Wars again, just because we can't go fo, episodeof, omentning, Star Warsand the atrocity that are the new star wars see that's an example of such apoorly done job of that of, like you di you, put characters in a universe whereTome wise all the comedy is coming in the wrong. Timeyou have no death withcharacters. You don't have any kind of sentimental moments because you haven'tdeveloped any deat this one. It's like this is like exactly how you should doa fun movie that can still be funny and still be very sentimental an he is thatmoment with happy where he picks them up in that field. You know in inwhereis it where is he san nother ones yeah, he picks thim upin that field and Hav this big moment where Hes, just like I, I can't do this.You know it's going to be too harward and hen he kind of like he talks withthem and then he's like all right. I'm going to do it in the end o. Then hesees him essentially building the spider man's suit. Like Tony Built, theIron Man, se n Hes ust sitting there watching thos. Oh, what's up happnninghe's like nothing he's like and he doesn't. He doesn't admit it, but youyou was the audience, are feeling hat. What happy is feeling and you're likelike if this is just so good on every love yeah in we're making jokes asecond ago, they're just put on some music and now I'm getting hyped forsome action and there's these sentimental like moments and it's likeso good and yeah just and you hade the wholecinematic universe to build off of, because Ironman is like a strongcharacter in that movie, despite the fact that he is dead and he neverappears Yeah Eah, I would say, he's the that's one of the strongest that's.This is some of the strongest iromind character. We've had it's just likeokay. Well, and I talk about my issues with or likes Givin. Even his sense ofhumor, with the with the Edith bluss is even Deadi'm te here a I, but, but I think one of the big criticismsfor time. Hollod Spiderman it was like okay, well yeah. I wanted Spierman, notlike kid arm. Man- and I think one of the things with the far from home is that you kind of areable to pull out of it like that Seine where yea theyre omaging like thebeginning of the MC year, Theyre amaging, like iron man, but it's Peter.The whole point of that movie is Peter Stepping out of that shadow, a beinglike Hey, I'm brilliant enough to actually build myself a suit of armeryeah. It was. It was the GROK movment for him because he was again. You knowhe was looking up the Ironman as a father, figureing kind of like againyou latching on to him as kind of like a show. What to do- and you know youtend to when you have someone like that, like in a mentar role, you tend to tryto follow in their footsteps. So it's trying to do that and then he tony diesspoiler friend, game, Yoa! Watch it what's wrong with you. You know he suddenly has to find hisown identity, and he does that, like you know, I've learned from Ironman,but I'm still you know I am a spider man yeah and it was, I think, thecharacter was a lot stronger for it. Yeah Yeah. I really liked it and- and you know, Ithink they did a really good job of having it be part, because a lot of thea lot of the Marbel stuff can feel isolated until they bring in thebringing together, but spidamans always felt like it's part of the mcu becauseof Ironmans kind of threat running through and then mentioning all thestuff and then it so it feels much more integrated than you know like thor two.They also do a good job with it being like a high school on Earth. Likeimagine how crazy Hig, yes ar ban like like the whole beginning, is that omagethat n? It's so well done. It's like this is exactly what a high school youknow group of people would do is like make make this Omag to Tony Stark andlike there's also emotional, they do a good job explaining the billet orwhatever the beginning of that. Okay oexcept for the fact that apparently noone likes everyone else, stop school for five years and then was like wellitwas back time to start school again, welland ind also. I mentioned thisbefore it's like every meaningful character happened to live. That isthat was like all the main kid characters that one teacher that youcare about who's kind of funny take some on thee class, feeld trips andyeah, literally all of the kids that didn't met seen all of them Lik. Theymissed an opportunity there too, because HEU could have had some reallygreat parker look. You Know Peter Parker drama if he came back and Himjwas suddenly in college that would be ther Wav bin kind ofwatcher. Okay, I have. I have some clips here well gang. I have to bit you a do. Alittle early today hold on a second tty and ty. Three S: You had your threeminutes therebut. You can find me on...

...facebook at chapter one films, you canemail me Grig at chapter, one film, Tat, Biz or busineny website, www t chapter,one films, Dot Pis until next time gang you guys all keep touching aboutSpeterman, oh yeah, all right see Greg Allright, so an final thoughts on ThomHolland. Before I move Ondo and E, we'll talk about fi diverse, but we wetalked about the a spider us a lot during the thereio boat episode. So lell keep that brief. They needthoughts on the so have you seen be? Have you seen both these firermans Thek, like 've sen, H but Rememberyeaik, because fthe game it was from t e whole. Like the whole time, Iwas watching like the newer ones like the like appente Tobin, Wi, Wan, not bi.One whmy whole question was what is going on yeah like and then like a friend of mine had explain to melike the whole concept of las two spiderman, because they werelike look is like, like I said, earliers after, like a certain part oflike the marvel cinematic univers so' like yeah, yeah, they're, actually quitegood, they're, quite good they're. Very. They actually feel verydifferent from the Tobin Gir ons again, because I feel like they're integratedin the Yo yeah. So it feels like it's leading up to spiderman becoming partof the aventures. The new advengers yeah, I think, is s something that xmen isgoing to benefit from too bcause like if you've been watching the mcu fromthe beginning. You, like the comics the whole time you're sitting there like.Well, I mean Irman's awesome. Captain America is really cool. You Know Thora,oh on avengers movie. This is great. I really wish Spiderman was here rightand the whole time like up until right before civil war came out. Yeu'ejuslike oh well, I can't have then I's like legal stuff and then, when youfinally get him in there, it's just this. It's this missing piece yeah, he idhesits in super well, and so I think the new movies havebenefited from that toough. There was like this longing to see the characterin his proper environment like not as the only superhero in the world rightand then you, civil war happened and he can jump in and then he's interactingwith Ironmand, always interacting with a t exercise, video of Captain America that was goodn and yeah. So that's something I thinkcan't really be discounted, but I feel like someon should have been there thewhole time Andand like I said. I think the XMEN are going to benefit from thatto whatever, because marvel has those now too andI'm sure Kevin Figy has some plans. I hope so I hope so we'll see we'll seewhere it goes. I ally inteelling to see if they end up crossing it over withthen Im, because, if someonys, if someo willingto play boutme both on my life, Oei Yeah, I think the problem is thae bothlike we want sixty percent of the profits and theyre like Io Rebootm, again you're not going toget much of the profits anymore, yeah right like if you, if you yeah, I think,were at the point like if they. If somebody takes Tom Holland, we shouldwoite ot spider yeah, because we've seen because again, likeyou, said, we've seen it when he's in his Wa he's. Where he's supposed to be,and that's in this integrated universe now in the universe ends eventually,which now ter's no it's sustainable, forever het eventually ends and Sony.If somebony stills the rigts to Spiderman They'e like okay, we want todo Spiderman again, maybe, but if they trut, like Yo, know we want to. We wantto do our own thing, because Spiderman's making so much money, wewant to do it on our own. I think people will not like that, and I haveno problem if they want to do like standalong spider ran movies. yeahonlygets the profit for that in the future. After this third one like ye him in themcou, let him cross over yeah. If you want to kind of do your own thing, youknow, there's that's how com fooks work. You know thethere's a tile whereSpiderman's Dong stuff by himself and then there's title worries on theadvengers and there's a titl worries on the fantastic for erig coming out atthe same time, right right right, but- and you could do that, like youcould literally especially after the space stuff, the far from homeyou couldactually have the character in character. Be Like you know what I justwant to be back in New York for a little bit. Yeah. Do the small tipestuff yeah now Daly did you watch the end? Did you watch far from home wherethey're in Europe and is thesyrio yeah? So you remember what happened at thevery, very, very, very end, which were about to spoil so major spoilers forthis I'm bout, a spoi Os in in credit scenesand, so because it has huge implications forwhat's going to happen in face for R. You know when it comes on o thousandand twenty two virst of Alli Changen, our jam, yeah Shos, Jj Jameson, likejksm and Jjonn Jamieson, shows back up...

...and says yeah and says, and and mysterial like sends aworldwide message that Peter Parker is Spiderman, yeah, okay, okay, I do seethat on yeah, so huge immocations on his coveris blown and two j JohnJamison is somehow at JK. SINDONS IS JJ and James is somehow there with a manwith the pony tail and and for some reason nicfer was in space yeah. Thatwas not as Ay ipressive for some reason: ECRIES ER, Omlot of keys for some reason theyceriese in space, but the IMVOCATIONS aret recause it if farfrom home mysterious whole cover is that it's the multiverse Uhhuh. But thedor strange is actually like what secrets of the multiversor mysteries ofUltiversur th sulty, verse of men, Multiwer, so badness right so and Drstringe ist going to be in the third. Have they have they GE named it Thetasaname, the third piter, the third spider MEBO, but comer con is going on thisweek. So so it is likely, it seems likely that they are merging all thedifferent connuities that we've had so wheher. It be amazing if, if we hadtolly, we whyr in Angogrophic a time holian all sweet, Websween Eitin. Thoseare the rivers thatre going around, especially since the electroannouncement right and the stockis strange announcement right, becausebecause now you have, you have confirmed JK Simmons from to McGuireverse was Enn far from home and Jamie Fox from Garfield verse. Okay is slatedto be in spidarman three. So who knows now it'll be interesting to see,because I don't think necessarily you know. We were supposed to think thatyou know jk Simmons crossed over from another Universey right, er, sure anrier but yeah. It was a fun nod and I was like oh they're, bringing back someof the old actors, and maybe that's all that they're going to do right, I'mfine with that, but yeah it would be incredibly cool and people want thatpeople want to see, especially after into the spider verse. People want tosee Toviovir Andregarfield and Tom Holand Teamupan. That would be andawesome maybe countr an almost like a live action, spide, verse, Yeah and theMakinge spidepers to right. They are what other verses are theyre going tobreak into. I'm assuming t O thousand and Ninty. Nine is on Oh bason thatyeah yeah and I know they're doing like alike: a Spider, women, animated movie to Ni, Ik, Speder, Gwin and a couplethere's a lot of spider, waen yeah, I don't know which ones they're doingyeah, and so so, let's transition briefly,despite Ir vess, we did talk about it. A Lot. You saw spider, vers right yeah.What d you think I this is, but no honestly I like it because it like islike it was the first time I became sentimental to spiderman because I'mlike hmlike your teaching, his like it was like the the old like intraditional spirermenteaching like the the rookie, how to be the rookie and like what a hero reallike what a true hero should be, and so like. I like that, epect TAT itand it to me it sone like what, on the unansweredquestions of all the other spitamins together like in this movie like withthis one, like wit, like the original spidermen, so like to me all those could be wrong, but those pot points tome were answered because it's like all the to me, the ISRAOLE and of the leadership ereminded me of like Unceban, I his character a little bit yeahbecause. Iwas like no like no cleak pleeks but like in a combe world like things like thathad to happen, but so yeah I like it. Yeah Caus, also justgorgeous, and the cacous Finmen Wasis Lik ood Yeh. Sowhat happened to SPIDERP? They all just went back yeah do't wome back to theiruniverses. I wash my hands. That's why the wet no other reason. Well, if you're hungry for more ofSpiderham, he actually has a short film that was attached to like the blue raythere's like ano little lily tune style, witer Ham, Perju an watch oneomy otherfavorites. For that is that's all folks. is He allowed to say that like Makawayyeah, I heem black and white and where's thatwind coming from w are me in a basement...

...where I go, the wind falls the win andit sells like Righti. Just Love Ha, I'm paking, this magical cube with me andthen the end Credit Sam wherits, like showing everyone he's solved it yeah, but I really enjoyed. I Love Spider, verseand I've talked about it before yeah, so I'm not going to go into it too much,but Peter B Parker is probably like theclosest to my favorite version of Spiderman. So that's before that was Andrew Girlfield andthen I just really enjoyed. What's theactor's name, Tuman no by the guy that playd, the the Uy Tha did the voice forPeter v pro it wasN'ti Star, O er, fine right! No is it isn't at Crispon? FirstPine is the dead spider man o okay, Hohe's blond, spider man and then, butthey have very similar voices. I can'not remember the game, I'mlooking it up. Let's see, let's see it's going tobother me if Saas is Jake Johnson yeah, Jake Johnson, it is Nik for new girl.Yeah and you know Peter Be Parker is basically what Nick for new girl wouldhave been like if he gets wirepowers, but no so I really enjoyed that. Ienjoye the interaction one of the cool things about myles is Peter is hisuncle Ben, basically in the comics and in the movie, andthen he basically has his uncle Aaron, which is kind of also his uncle Batbutthe yeah the message anybody can be a hero, one of Stanley's last cameos toit's just there's so much in that movie that I really love so yeah, it's it'sfantastic and they wanted award for the animation didnt Ma. They deserved it,yeahrs son. I think they've managed to get a firm hold on that style ofanimation to yeah yeah. It was, it was probably the best. This is a comic bokcome to life, moving because ther're differently in a lot of those kinds ofmoves, ha kind of try to bring the comic. I like Sinc City, which Ienjoyed sinc city, the kind of try to lean into the artstyle at the originalHoll clove yeah lokalythey had co panels playing on on the screen at thesame timeewes got pilgrama movie. I love love, Lah, Lah, love kind of had alittle bit of a comic bookie style on the new gamieg style, but the just agorgeous movie yeah, and that I think that was I've heard read several placesthat was one of the goall says you can pause it at any point. It would lookedlike a piece of kind of Roogard yeah and they definitely achieve that yeah Iwas, I was going to use Myan Cho it's puberty and hit they new of its in yeah that one's great so yeah I meanthat's Iverthink. We talked about most of the movie stuff and most of the TVstuff as well. I feel like there's not much more to talk about exept for thegame, the game I have not been able to play the most recent game. Yeah Ihaven't either. I heard it's really really good. I first like ill return toform to the the Spiderman to tie in one which was really good. Apparently, ifYEU liked the combat from the Badman Arcum Games, Andy like decent webswimming and a good Spiderman story, it was it hit all those notes. Yeah Yeah,so I haven't played a thd spiderman game since the gang cube which I playedspidermin to which was really good, and I played ultipate Spiderman, which wasreally good. I think those two were kind of the gold standard, SpidermanYeh until potentially the one that none of us has played yet yeah the thePsfour one which, which apparently is like Hir's abarenly, all the other ones,wher the shadows, shat dimensions like had good moments, but was just likerepetitive, combat heavy and not about free websweinging, which is like comeon. They gotto have fre yeah, really you got to have free web swinging in aspiderman game, yeah and even like they tried to fix it a little bit up in theamazing Spiderman yeahms, but like their way to do that was you would likepause, and then you can kind of pick where you wanted to go or what trickyou wanted to do and it just it broke the float and it wasn't even yeah T-and that was one of the things hat lovther about Spirman to and altimatespiderman was hey. If you go above the buildings, there's nothing Bein to flipon to and also amazing, Spiderman or amaze. My Olsnes Spieman, once you won,you got to play is venom and you literally ate people to regain health.Yeah he's been rlateand. His wall crawlingwas like smashing trunks out of the Bo yeah EW yeah it's. It was a really fungame, but the boys acting was, but it also did like it, aspider meandto obviously presented itself like the movie, whereas ultimate spider,menpresentt itself, like a comic books. All the cut scenes are comic with pagesyeah andthing like that, and it was actually like it actually had. A goodstory was like him what its like Mary, Jane Him and Mary Jane, or I don't remember it's been long sinceIV played it. So one of the interesting things about that is: that's basicallylike an untold chapter of the ultimate spiterman comic right, like it picks upat the end of the first venom story like where you're on the football fieldin the rain right it does. Its own thing explains like how...

Venem actually gets the spider right,figter powers right because he absorbed spiderman at somepoint in that game, yeah yeah and then, if you of really like the ultimatespider Mac comics- and you like video games, Bel playt, because it's a ritualstory, yeah sls, yeah, it's a game, cube game. So good luck, finding itmight have been an pst as well. I think it was on. I think it was on Xbox to. Ithink it was maybe yeah all the major yeah. But the thing is I here: A lot ofpeople talk about Spiderman to in terms of like good Spidermanians, but Ian'most hear nobody talke about ultevate Spiderman and it was reallygood. It's Piderman to. I think the thing was like you had so much controlover the web, swen yeah, iuse e different triggers to see which sideyou were going to go on. You can control like your speed when you let goall that stuff and for a game that old it was just an incredible about controlyeah. I was a huge like to me y allthe time. Spider main game is maximum carng.That's a really good one, they's a really good one, because it's like tome. I, like the, even though it was a comment book faselike the the playability for me really got me because, like the the you areplayed through like even first age, is like one of the Hardestoh Yeah Hwas sohad so sticking hard, but it was that competition factor in the drive thatmade you go. You know what what did I do bro He last time and like so it it just had a lot. I mean I'veplayed the Thai want to say. Yo was the first totin the wire game that came out yeah and like I enjoyed that, did they have aspider in one game. I don't remember the thing I I only remember Spidermanto Yo Co. It was different. It was level based. You could plays the GreenGoblin afterwards yeah, I don't. I don't think I bude had a lot of weirdabilities like flaming Super Spedand, yeah yeah. It was like a cheak code orsomething en locked at the end of the game which Yeu Coul play as the Goblin.But all the levels were like it was either you're swinging around a certainportion of the city. Trying to do something or you were in like awarehouse or something playing a spiderman. You fought shoker and y yeah. Remember you fuk tracker in ultimatespider man. I just remember him the quips yeah, it's just like triple PRIthat qestion I enjoyed that a lot yeah quote man yeah. I think that to I think,the again not having played the most recent game, because what was the whatwas the most recent one you've played most recent one I played was probably amazing Spiderman, to which I think itwas. It may have been the last one since the last one before before this one, the marvel spider manright rier, so I played a bunch of them. I did playa little bit of web of shadows. That was fun. Everyone was venom and then I missed out on they did likespider vers stutle games. Almost that I play through those where it was likeSpiderman teaming up with Spider Man, two thousand Nan, ninety nine andSpiderman, that was he alsoa Sho. That was shatter dimensions yeah. There wastwo: There were two of those there's one there's a Spiran wo thousand andninety nine ultimate Spiderman, the regular spider man and then somethingelse h might have been, nor I think itactually was, I think, was mare yeah, but all the they all have differentannivation styles and different sto levels and stuff. But I, if I played through that N, I never gotall the way through it, because I was just looking for a good Webson, where Ican buy this right right and it's been so long since they actually come intwith like a good webswing game. I'll say prototype was like a betterspiderman game than Spiderman. Even they weren't swinging. It was like aBenop game. Yeah I mean it was. It definitely was, but you yeah, I it'sdefinitely like the villainy side, but the kind of like free running and likeflying ezooming around the city. It felt like Expiderma Games, sould feelif you wanted to play with like the acrobatics of Spiderman, the clausoffull varine and all of the powers have been prototype. It's pretty good series,it's pretty fun, itwas pretty fun. The best thing to do was to do the pat whenyou got the patsy ability, and so you cou like eat some et a police officerturn and walk into one tith guard outpost and be like it's him and thenDanll shoot him to death. Likeit was both of those games were fun, Yeah Yeah.I I enjoyed yenjroi prototype, one really really weird and dark, but theywere in yeah. The story was Redihe's. Definitely one of the like Saints Ros,like does a story really matter, because the messing around is just somuch fun so yeah. I thought the the for e fantastic games. I played some of themost one of the most freese. I think Iwas, the most recent same thro, theone where you end up like with super powers that one in raits it's it waswhat crackdown to shoult heave bu its Afaile to be the thing with that is,like you, losevery all the rest of the...

...game play because whe are you. It is ikvehicle yeah an fly, yeah yeah. It made becul completely useless, but I wasokay with that because I was just like you know: jumping around the city andand the dubstep gun was the best thing ever, because I not only was it crazypowerful and we once you level it up all the way, essentially Infinamo andexploded, but also, if you just shot it at the ground, all the street lightsstart flickering different colors. All the cars start bouncing up and down,and every single civilian in the area starts doing the robot uncontrollably.It's UNAMAZING, I loved it so much a ridiculous game. I love the sin. TROWGames, ther're so much fun. They E e. They were ilike. I played grand tiftout of four once and I was like I'm really bored. Let me just go out andget his maxy stars. I could got five stars. I tilly died and I was like that.Wasn't fun thanks for two I'm just likelike. This is what it should havebeen is just insane fun but Spiderman Pierman Games. I nk he he's really fun.In mywos cap come two and three of us. He in ultimate alliance, Mor Waltwerewas: I did play a lot of Spiderman altenalans o. If you got the the DLC plays venom to there's like aVillans Back Huh yeah, ultio Osomeon, a lance was a really good set of game.Yeah, there's Las a little bit was a little mat. I have not played the thirdone, it's fine! It's a little easy hat was like exclusively on the switchright. Yes yeah. It was a little easy and it was not very long. I forgot thatthat came ut to be honest, yeah it was, I mean it was fun, but me and mybrother played through it in like a weekend and we're like well, okay,hat's. What else does there do not a whole lot? There's like a bunch ofchallenges you can unlock. You can play as Tannos and Magmido and all thesevillains, but it's like well, we kind of finish the game. Well, I will sayand suffers from exactly the same thing once Yoomaom all the characters,there's nothing left, but any of the Lego marvel came. SOTHSE are Weit. Ithink we were talking about those the other night yeah thes things likethanks, Spiderman Yeah, you get Excel Co. Apparently I live at the avengersgame which I haven't played or one of them Ju's, but a couple of them Stanleygets a standbuster suit, which eser that just looks like it's got a therobot head with the Standmush Tet and then it's painted to e Co a him an isin his close has like like a pen instead of a Gab like it's awesome,yeah s in Lego, myrel Super Hereos. Once you fescued all fifty stanleys,because HEU go like got lost everywhere and then you could play a Stanley andhe could like halk out and he could swing around. So a MI Spiderman andshoot shoot blaze. He could do it. He had everything like one. Every singlepower, except for Scor, will squirrel throwing ability, because it was justtoo strong, like I dan't makes mem too strong, but those are fun games. So that wasthe thing like I finally unlonk the last character. There is no game player,yes, nothing Lise! It's absolutely nothing! LEST YEAH! I just rememberultimate alliance. I got because me and my brother play throughxmen legends one to and then we played ultimate aliance and I would always play like the runupmaily picere. So I played molvarine and xmen legends and I play like WHO's. I playing I was likefor, or someone who, like some some run in and beat people up, and my brotherwas like Ohi'll just be captain America and Captain America's shield throwlittled up to Ricechet like infidite times until everythings. We would walkinto a room, he throw sheld ones and kill everyone, and I would never levelup yeah. So Ye fight the MOSS, that's o! U, and so we fighting the boss and Iwould die because I had no health because I was still under level ND. Iwas like this is fun and he just like Ha Tonthe Shel. Now I did play marvels teavengers their Bata, and thatwas a lot of fun Li captain of Er that world trowing was in there it's a it's.A new game that came out. Basically, you can play is like play online withpeople. You can each pick an aventures character, an I don't know if you,those are the men. One Te en ran no okay, yeantrs they're, putting Spiderman in it forthe PSFOUR and yes, but ive. Only I'm not better about that at all shes. SoSony is Sony, is so somy an Disney are both so nobody gets to play with my toys. Likemy guys, if people haven't figured it out, I'm an xbox Guy. I would love to switch to play aspiderman, but I don't have the money. Forop tons, don't have money, so yougot that a yeah get the cash tole. So you know final thoughts, final thoughtson Spoderman. Well, I will say you know I love reading the comics. I AI've have some recommendations based on what movies you might have enjoyed like.I think, if you people really like the Sam Rami, Spiderman movies, basically reading any classic silverageSpiderman, but I would say specifically going back and maybe reading Stanley'soriginal run on the character, which is amazing, fantasy, fifteen and amazingspiderman one through one hundred pick anything in there. You robaly like it, for if you really enjoyed the amazingspiderman, you like the Antre Garfield...

...check out Brian Michael Vennic's,ultimate Spiderman, which leads intwo miles. Morallis can get you some homework done for spider, verse as well.In there there you go, and the the death of ultimate Spiderman is one ofmy favorite betterman stories. F. Well, Tine. If you really like the Thom Hollandversion ultimate spiderman. It's also pretty good for you. If you like theSpiderman Iron Man, dynamic that J michaels Presenski stuff that I like asspider, Man, an Irnmen, I'A, cipil war, really cool and you like spider Verseus, actually, acomic called spider verse, which introduces an edge of spidervers, whichintroduces most of the characters in their penny. Parker comes ut for thefirst time, spider gen is up for the first time. Spiderham is in there doingreally important stuff. We just like Spiderham, there's a comic coled Peterporker. The spectacular spider am, which is a lot of fun, and you could probably find it onlinesomewhere. There's lots of comic services, butyeah and, like I said my favorite run, is that J, my post Resentskiron as wellso and I'm sure that I had more detail on that, but I'm just kind of going offwith e Real, Fast Damian final thoughts on Spiderman. Hemailed it Li personally, like over the years he's growing on me MI. He reallyis because I've gained, I gaimed a Newpornew perspective and a new anoration forom, but I mean there's just ther,just one egon question hat. I have man because, like with every otherSuperhero Myunderstand, ever othewo cas I, where and all the movies that I watch with him,Iwas Li okay, wet he's wistling. Where does the web go LE the Ole Wa?Actually an ultimate spider man? Obviously it's not because it was gamecu. It wasn't like all the Webs, but you could like look back and you'd seewebs hanging from where you'd swung from okay. So some some it's kind ofsomething that kind of mostly goes on address well, and I think that's theydo try to do that d. They explain something like that is said to dissolvethat for a certain amount of time yeah they they disappear after an hour,which is you know great for clean up really annoying if Spiderman happens tohave webbed you to something there's a great there's a great moment and newadventures, which is Spiderman teams up with like the avengers and Luke Cage.Okay, they go into beat up they going after electro and Mukca jus like so.How do you normally beat up electro hes like well? Usually I like to wear likeroper gloves or, like I web up. My aunt he's like do me up whel bout, my hands.He goes in punches of M D, Get some information from him, cous back e Sake.Okayget get this off he's like oh it'll, be off in an hour, sweet Christmas, Ey it'll be off now yeah and if you like, spider man in themcou check out new ventur yeah great series. Take these off it'll be off inan hour. Did you so yeah? So it's funny because I reallyenjoy Spiderman in all the things I've seen him in the the Mazin. Spite of men,notstanding gn, I thought the first one was good, so gon was just kind of likeit got executide to death. Yeah just looks bat me three, but in Dark Phoenix, an xthree andanyways star wars, Ystar, warsentire, sequel, trilogy, O focusit's funny,because Pierman isn't like a character that I think a lot about. But you knowanytime, there's a new spiderman thing: I'm like yeah, I'm gonna e check thatout, because I I really enjoy him as a character. I think ' he's a lot of funhe's very relatable because he's not because he's not like super cocky likeOh. I got this. You know like iron man, Yeah Iro an I think, Imans a funcharacter, but, like it's kind of a Duchbag, I don't I don't identify withMor like a Ho. I hope I'm not like that. Aright, like he's, you know, the cockyswagger in the Superhero can get real grating real fast. I actually find it more fun whenthere's cocky spire, like Mr Satan wher, is like hockey swagger and it's like noyou're actually you're. Actually, nothing is like whatre you talking about. Om Gri'm, the greatest of like now, okay, but I do love that he he is kind ofthis awkward teenager who's. Well, you know, or whatever yeah, that he's not he's not overly confidentfor the most part right. He makes very reladable because it'slike okay, you know, am I doing the right thing and you know- and he wasone of the first superheroes to do- that- yeah Stanley- he was the character concept- was initiallyrejected. That's why it ended up in a book called amazing, fantasy right and they just kind. He did that as abackdoor pilot and I canceled series and he was like yeah. I want to do ateenage superhero that has like real life problems. andmaybe the focus ofthe story. Isn't that he's Haing...

...trouble beaten up the bad guy? Maybeit's that he can't pay is rent yeah, which is plastic. Spite Omen Yeah.I like that. Now before we go out, I have one finane question for you. Areyou familiar with the time that Mary Jane died because Spider Man had poisonsperm? Yes, wite, a minrign? Can you explain that? Do I do you want me to explain that?Yes, I absolutely do I like. Why did they think this was a good idea? Is GotRadioactive Blood? Okay, look down? What's he evaculating blood e to see a dto that that is a storylinefor those who aren't familiar, and that is the thing that gets pulled out of it.You know that's the thing the story is famous for, but basically marvel waslike hey. You know how Badman has the Dart Ned returns this edgy story in thefuture where Badman is retired and he said, but then he comes back and youknow feets up Superman and is awesome. Let's, let's do that with spider man,because Spiderman is obviously are dark. Pruding edgy character that that wouldwork with, and how can we make him and basically Spiderman? I think if I'mAmoreonverin CP REMEMBER ING correctly, and that is like retired he's a littleold man that runs a flower shop and the comic is very depressing because hetalks to Mj all the time and she's, not there right she's. She never see yourface. I don't think she never responds he's. Just hillucidating that she'sthere and then eventually he goes to like a tombstone and reveals throughsome some dialog of that you know, repeated exposure to w is being aradioactive person, children so so like if he went into a laboratory with aguyer acounter just go crazy right. Apparently it did really depends onwhat kind of radiation it is. So I'm Mad I'm ot about this yeah YeahSpiderman rain. If you want to check that out for some reason, I don'trecommend it yeah. I don't recomend that either like myn guys, it's yourfriendly neigh Bor. He Spiderman. I thought you were going to talk aboutthe time the Spiderman decided to be. You know very responsible and say ofhis dying ant by selling his marriage to the devil that well, that happens yeah. That alsowas that, like a main thing, or was that, like a? What is that's a mainthing? Oh so why Spiderman isn't married in the comics anymore seriously?That was recent. It was not recent. It was early Tzano. Sadly, it's the end ofthat J. Michael Strezensky run that I keep recommending. He does this really great job ofbuilding up how MJ is essential to him even being spiderman and thenneditorial comes in it's like yeah. We don't want that anymore. Can you writethat out and he was like well no, but they put his name on the story anyway,like one of the editors actually wrote and drew it, and it was heavily. VELATEis terrible. Also when I don't recommend Spidermanone more day, Isbi in one day, more yeah, he sells his marriage to the loverr.That's Ed may has been shot because he revealed his identity incivil war. He gets really angry about it. It goes to the entire Marveluniverse. Literally e goes to dor strange. Dr Strange does a thing wherehe can magically ask everyone forever. Once and everyway's, like no she's, anold lady with a gunshot, Wot and she's dying, we can't help her it's her time.That's really weak because, like magic exists and bedshat wounds, unless youget shut in the brain or in the heart gun shownes ar pretty treatable yeah.Well, I mean Dr Strange, I think it's busy or something everyoneinthe entire Yearerin,including Dr Don Yeah y Wole, like yeah. I could fix her and makes or like ThiMecca Mecca ant. That's what should have happene yeah, that's what shoudhas so yeah that happens and then mefishto shows up and it's like hey. Ihave a deal for you and he and MJ decided to make thatdecision together to rase their marriage, so they dan't make and esorry. What did they FIS still get out of this of the I'm trying to remember it's US inreal.Incredibly, it's a terribly written story. I think it's the satisfactionthat their souls will forever be in anguish, because they know that theyshould be together that they can't also right before he magics everything way.He takes the form of a little red, headed girl and says: Hey. If you guyshadn't done this, you would have had a kid. I they understand that you don'thave to legally married to have sex, oh they. Yet this is a long rabbit holdthat we're going down, but yeah I'm. I reallize you're not supposed to likequestion these sorts of things, but like come on, like that's sloppy rightYe h, a new universus explanation for why they broke up and have all thestories that you like still happened is that they almost got married, but thenPeter got knocked and conscious in a battle and then they didn't and thenthey were just serious boyfriend and girlfriend and they just broke Om fornever reason, Ogass that sots fine yeah. Well. On that note, Io know we shouldkeep that one in the episode thatwher. I thought you were going to ask aboutoverkeeping that let us know, let us know when you what you think aboutspiderman go bed the otery et Ceta Seta you can reach US duly debated atgmailcom or dly. At dearly. Debated on...

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