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Dearly Debated

Episode 16 · 1 year ago

Enter the Nolanverse

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(note: there is a very loud game of pinochle occurring next to our recording room we apologize for the background noise) *INCEPTION NOISES* Greg and Nathanael will let you finish, but Christopher Nolan is one of the hottest directors of ALL TIME! We're looking at all his movies in chronological order and musing on his strengths and weaknesses. Nathanael forgets the word 'orientation' and sdrawkcab gnikaeps si gerG!

So you're saying that all those people in there somehow trapped in one person's dream? Yes, and so that's why I called the Fire Department. I don't know where as to turn. But wait, if those people got stuck in there, why wouldn't we? It's very simple, you see, dude. When the dream experts go in, they attempt to take the subject to a dream within a dream, like a Taco within a Taco, a devil Deco Taco supreme exactly. But only dream spies have the ability to go deeper into dream levels, and firemen have the ability to bring ladders into other people's dreams. Way, way, will wow, how could you take a ladder into a dream? Because the fireman dreams aren't like dreams at all. They're more like a dream within a matrix within a dream. Somebody Order a pizza? No, probably one of them in the dream. All Right, I'm going in. Look, if we can get the Fire Department into the counselor's dream, then we can jump everyone down at least another six dream levels. That way will be in the counselor's deepest level of subconscious and it will be like a Taco inside a Taco within a Taco Bell. That's inside, Okaf see within of all, that's a side yard life. Wow, it's been a while. It's been a minute, man, it's been a hot minute. But welcome to dearly debated. How appropriate. It's just just me and me and the imact of basics factor where they started. We don't need no punks helping us be better at our not that Ashley or Jason Our punk. Certainly one else has appear to this podcast. You love you all. Everyone. Everyone's Apparu on this podcast, ourselves included, is a punk. Launch Your bunks because in your punk punk he's getting all the hot. Okay. So today, while we're going to be talking about make specific director Edward Nolan, no way, your you makes Edward Ort and with man and sorry, we start over. We're talking about Christopher Stephen. How was it? Edmund Northwood, I'm saying's not here today. Yeah, so I was futzing with I was trying to make the soundboard thing working. It's still not working and it's frustrating me, although I got it better. It's better. So the audio polled. You should be better, because I fixed one thing, fix one thing and then something else broke. How can you do this. This is outrageous, it's unfair. And then I'm still looking for another piece of software because honestly, just like nothing worse. Okay, you would think it'd be easy, like the streaming software. It's I M astonish that every time I come to do a podcast it you've got thirty minutes of you just like unto angling wires like me. Like what it's going on? It's the production process, man. It's okay, my Christopher Nolans, we're gonna try to make this one a little shorter, a little more on topic. I yeah, but because of that I cannot promise not able to try look into the history of what happened this week. Today, maybe. And also, I didn't get any momos from an alternate universe, except I got like a slip of PAP like a fortune cookie slip of paper. Oh, that just said politics is great, everyone's really nice, it's wonderful. Oh, was that from our dimension, or is it? I'm pretty sure it was from the other demotion. I was going to say. I don't know if even fortune cookie would say that these Yay, it said something about peace in the Middle East and Oh, and wow, yeah, wo wow, and crime ary dropped to negative one percent, which that's apparently people are like doing reverse crimes where they UN breaks, like like someone drove into a fire hydrant, so they like come over and fix it. Speaking of reversely, reverse, speaking to people's houses and like lead presents for them. Have you seen the new Christopher Nolan movie tenant? We're getting there. Oh, get any it's those. Those a good segue, but also, as we haven't introduced ourselves. Now we haven't. I'm Nathaniel Levinson. Sorry, I'm Nathaniel Levinson and I am Zenerba Gurg. Oh, how do I have I say? It was said perfectly earlier. I am Znerp your Gurg, Treb or, that that's Robert Gregory, friends backwards. You. We worked really hard on that. Oh, I've been able to say that for a while. I just kind of got caught up in the moment. The Lights. Very enough, fair enough. How did this happen? Oh, also, I updated the soundboard and now I can layer sounds. One wonderful. This is the certainly, I know we get it, we get it, we get it that I don't think that's what our show was missing. Come on, I can saw iesome thinks. I can actually sign these hockeys. Oh, that's come. That's pretty fun. So I could make me. Let's see. So what I...

...could do, for instance, is I could take this sound and make it. But what save that, and then it should just maybe. Oh No, ladies and gentlemen, Nathaniel Levinson now has full access to sound bites via hot keys. We are about to give them barted. Wonderful. This is gonna be a great show anyways. So all right, let's let's jump into it now. This is question mainly for you, okay, but I'll put in my two cents as well. What do you think makes Christopher Nolan a good director? And we are, I guess we're arguing that he's a good director. I mean I think it's pretty well established that he's a good director. I think Nolan does a lot of pretty amazing things. One he just keep will he makes good movies. That's kind of step one. To be good directors who movies actually have to be good. And I think a more in depth question is why are his movies good? Specifically, and I agree, I mean and in his movies do have a pretty decent kind of finger print across across most of his films where you can kind of tell what his style is as opposed to others. Something he does it's really cool and pretty unique, is he tries to introduce a concept in is movies. Okay, so I'll give whatever it work. Know we're going to talk about most these movies individually, but I'll give a couple examples. So the prestige. So the PRESTIGE STARTS OFF BY INTRODUCING WE'RE gonna get there. Okay, go through all his movies. He's likely the beast me that many movies. Yeah, I know you asked me why I think he's a good director. I'm just gonna give a quick example. I'm not going to go into depth about the prestige. Okay. So it is so, for instance, in the beginning of the prestige, so I was that's why I hit this one. That's not how the force works. So when he endured, when he introduces this idea in the prestige, that he introduces this idea of a magic trick in the prestige and he tells you how it starts, what happens after it starts, and then the end, which is called the prestige. It's it's Michael Caine introducing it, and this concept has to do with the magic tricks. So you like, Oh, this is interesting, this is this is a movie about people that are doing magic, so this is very relevant. But what you don't kind of catch on to until you're done with a whole movie is that the whole movie was essentially that magic trick. The whole movie introduced an idea, it took that that concept away and then it revealed it in the end with the prestige. So the whole movie played around this idea that Michael Caine introducing the very beginning. Now, all of his movies, and again I'll wait till we kind of hit these individually, kind of had that same underlining theme where he introduces a really radical concept and he makes his whole entire movie kind of follow that concept without the viewers even really knowing. It's a complicated thing, but when we get into each of the movies, all call kind of explained it a little more. Another thing he does really well as payoffs. Most movies really struggle with this, and this essentially just means is your movie relea succinct, like, Does the beginning of the movie actually have purpose? To the end of you do all of your scenes have purpose to them, as opposed to most people who are these days just kind of write a movie and they're like, oh well, let's just put in a like like some comedy here, let's just put in an action scene here, let's put in this there. For Christopher Nolan, all of those scenes have such amazing payoffs. So if there is a scene that has a bit of comedy, you might say, okay, this, this scene served its purpose of being funny, but that specific bit of information that was given out those funny will have a bigger role to play later in the movie. And he does a really good job at making all of the moments in his movies payoff really well later in the movie to where you feel like, man, the whole entire movie made sense and it had purpose to it. If I miss certain scenes, I would probably be lost in these movies because there is so much that is paid off later in these movies. So it's such an entertaining thing to watch. They're entertaining to go back and watch because you miss a lot of the payoffs to where you're like, oh, that's why they did that. So I would honestly argue that in some cases that's a point against Nolan movies is you have to watch them twice to know what's going on, which is not necessarily a good point it. If there's enough on the surface salt, you can enjoy and be like, oh, but there were some things that I think I missed you, so I can go back. But there are also some movies, which we're going to get into these, where it's like you watching, like I've an idea what the hell just happened? Right. So, so there's some movies where I re watched. So like snatch, I re watched because I was like, I really enjoyed that, but I'm not sure what happens. I neither rewatch it to figure out make sure I was. I was enjoyed it the first time, but you were able to go back and get more at that, right, whereas something like Memento, which I don't think it is a bad movie, right, but I watched it and I was just like there was there was the twist, and I got the twist and then I was like okay, but the rest of the movie just kind of confused me. I almost like okay, kill Bill. HMM, I see how kill Bill, like Guarantine, wanted it to be one movie and then he just chopped and screw it because they're like make it in two weeks or took it a lot of chronological order and it...

...was really hard to follow. YEA, and it made in my opinion, there people who argue with me on this. The second half, the said Kilbevoine Care, really boring. I agree with you on that one. Actually, I know a lot of people disagree, but yeah, I agree. So because they put basically what three out of the four fights were in Kilbow, one in Gually, the one with Lucy Lu, which is so super cool, and there was a lot of good story elements in that as well. And then the second half was literally just like her back store with bill and the five part Poort, the five point palm heart exploding technique was so stupid that those it's like in this movie of like flying samurais and crazy swords, you managed to put in something so ridiculous it was stupid. That's not a good lick parent, you know. No, I agree and I and to your point, I definitely agree. I think Momentu is a good example of one that for me, I was probably closer to the to the line of saying. I think I'd liked it good enough the first time, but it definitely paid off more the second a good time I watched it now. Let's let's be clear. That was one of his earlier move sure, yeah, so you know he's developed his craft of time, but I think when I look at Nolan movies, I think a lot of times he tries, he goes and goes for a concept that maybe doesn't work best as a Moan and then tries to do it as a movie. That, I think, my honestly work better at other meetings and I think I think I would point to the dark knight as as his directing like to say this is why I think he is a good director, because it doesn't have that having to think really deeply about what's going on in the plot. You can just take it, take a seat back and look at the directing itself. Sure, which I wouldn't say that Dark Knight is his best. I don't think it's the best directed work. HMM, but I think it's a good example. I think, Oh yeah, that's it is excepting the dark and I think is it is next example of how he's a good director. Yeah, and you don't have to worry about the plot, quacky, you over the head with pole? Sure, no, it's, like you said, it like a movie, and you're absolutely right. A movie has to be absorbable for people. If it's not, if you can't naturally just exhorbit by sitting there watching and you have to like have a pen and Pencil and the possible to read, like yeah, then it's in my opinion, it didn't do its job and and you're running. And I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be things where it's like that merit rewatching. So I think Scott Pilgrim is so in that like rewards you for rewatching it, because there's a lot of stuff fast and this like fast and thick jokes. Yeah, and they're a lot of a lot of high dialog comedies like this, where you understand the plot, you get most of the jokes. Then when you rewatch you like, Oh, here's some subtle things that they threw that you wouldn't get if you weren't, if you weren't like, because on your first watch through you pay attention to the main stuff and your second watch students, you know what's happening, you kind of looking at the minutia and that's when you know you get the depth of the movie. Sure, yeah, no, I think that the sign of a really amazing movie is a movie that you can enjoy the first time and then it gets better every time you watch it. Yeah, the problem is if you don't enjoy it the first time and then it gets better when the next time as you watch it, that's good and you know it's probably a solid movie, but I think it loses points in my book because it needs to be it needs to be immediately understood to do its job. And you're right, I think. I think no one for sure bumps up on the against that line. In my opinion, the vast majority of his movies fall good side of that where, yeah, you enjoy it any greet, you just continuously enjoy the more times you watch it, where I would say Momento tows that line a little closer, and then his newest movie, which we might get into later ten, I think, maybe because I've only seen it once, falls very far on the bad side that where you're like, what is going on? But honestly I'm perfectly okay with it because if you're not taking risks like that and don't get really interesting movie. Oh Yeah, and that's why he's known for I mean like that's why when he has a movie coming out, everybody wants to go and see it because they're just ready to get their mind blown. I mean now, I'll be honest. I I had hit. Tenant didn't spark any interest, and tenant, interstellar, neither of them sparked any interest to me, and so I like him as a director. I've liked movies up that I've seen of his. I enjoy, but I'm not like, Oh, I need to go see the next Nol movie. So he doesn't hit that note for me, but I do enjoy the movies I've watched. So let's jump into those. Let's do it memento moment. So all right, so when did you see this movie? First? Memento, a long time ago. Memento is is literally how this happened to the movie. Well, okay, so for those of you don't know, like there's going to be spoilers. Yes, just that's why I let's win pause the title of each of these movies. Just be ready for spoilers, because we're going to go in depth, yeah, on them. So so heads oiler warning. So we don't want to hear or you don't want to hear anything, don't less of me. I'll be one. We warned you. And so if you if you're a ruined, if you are, if you get any of these movies ruined for you and you want to complain, just remember you have done not yourself. So so skip to the next movie. You don't want to that movie. I want to. So we'll say begin momentum, Momento, Memento, segments, it game. So it's an extremely interesting movie and it's something that now I very much love. When I first watched it in the same boat as you, where I was like that was really interesting, I think I still thought it was a great movie, but I definitely needed to watch it more times to fall in love with it like I have now. The concept that heat that he tries to tackle of saying, okay, here's a person and that has short terminory loss. First of all, how can you possibly see...

...with the life through their eyes right like like you just imagine a movie being written where it's where it's finding Nemo every two seconds of character forgets things and it's almost it's it almost can't be introduced in any way, but comedy, because you're like, oh, I get to see this whole story unfold. And so he does this in this genius way of telling it backwards, right. So each scene starts and you're starting with the character in the movie going okay, let's look around for signs. How the heck did I get here? Why do I have a bottle of rum in my hands? I don't really feel drunk, but I've got a cut on my head. Oh, there's a guy tied up in my class and and and so obviously, at first feel like, how can you possibly tell us to sink to movie like this? How is the movie going to make any sense when it started with the guy being shot, like the guy was the guy was killed in the first scene and he's developing the picture of the guy that that it's the opening seas. You're like, okay, this is moving backwards in the story. How is this possibly going to make sense? But the way that the bit film is shot, and the best way I've tried to understand this in my head is, let's pretend there's an imaginary timeline in front of you. Okay, it's a foam noodle, like it's one of those meddles you play with in the boards go it's going right across from you, from left to right, and that's the timeline moved. Now you grab each end of that phone noodle and you pull it towards you where it creates a you. That's how the movie is told. It's told from the beginning and the end, and then they both go in one direction and eventually they meet in the middle of the movie. The movie ends in the middle. It's going backwards from the end of the movie and it's going forwards in black and white from the beginning of the movie and it in it meets at the very middle, and so you constantly bat back and forth between a black and white scene and then it cuts to an then it's another scene from the future that's going back right, and that to me when I finally kind of grasp that and I was able to watch it kind of knowing that it was so good. In my opinion, it was just so awesome just because just because it's fresh and new, like right, like it's not just a movie about some guy, Detective Guy, shooting some other guy. What about you just hear your typical movies, and it's told in such a such a cool way and it was a big breakout. Yeah, no, I mean, well, because that's a that's a heart. I mean, imagine, imagine introducing that concept to anybody. Big. All right, this is how I want to tell the movie. I want to tell it back where it's like what's funny, isn't? That is like really actually played out pretty hardcore in a. So I'll bring up now, let me, let me, let's rewind and major spoilers. And I remember right, like he killed his wife. Right. So I don't see what I'm what I'm when I'm not remembering, is or what. Yeah, maybe didn't pick up on is. Why did he tattoo himself with all this stuff? Okay, so so this, this is basically and this is one of the underlying mysteries of the movie. You don't really don't write. So throughout the movie he's constantly from the from the direction that's going forward. So this the one that's starting, at the beginning of the story. That's in black and white. He's talking on the phone to somebody that you're actually not sure who it is, and he's having these conversations about one of his clients he used to have that have this short term memory loss and his his wife kept telling him, oh no, like like it's not that, like he's it's is just in his head and I need him to snap out of it. So I'm going to have him give me my my injections, for she was a diabetic dies, she was a diabetics, so she needed to get her eppy shots or whatever, every whatever, every day insolent insulin. There you go, kind of epinefrin Gosh. And so she said, okay, I'm going to tell him to do it every I think he was like three minutes. He lost his memories every three minutes when to tell him you do it again, and he's going to have to know that if he keeps doing this, he's gonna kill me, and so I've got to get him a snap out of it. So she very basically keeps telling him, okay, it's time for my shots, time for my shot, and he never he never remembers and he keeps thinking the first time he's done it that day and eventually kills her. Now you find out later through like a bunch of twists and again this is one of like those second and Third Times you watch a type things, that his name is like he's his name is never really mentioned in the movie and it ends up being the initials of that guy that he talks about in the story, right, and then you find out that that story never actually happened, that it wasn't real. It like at the very end you have him talking to his buddy and his but he's like, yeah, that story's not real. You were that guy, you killed your wife, and you think, oh, he's just kind of be essing him because he's trying to control them, because that that's the whole point of the movies, that every's trying to control this guy who's lost his memory and he's and he hit. His whole purpose in life is, I want to tattoo all this evidence of this guy that killed my wife. Right, and you're not what you're not sure of is either a his wife really was murdered and he started this journey to go and find the murderer. After he murdered the guy. This guy took advantage of that and kept giving him people to kill, like this dirty dude is like, okay, now you need to kill this guy, and kept feeding him information and it so that he would end up going in like pretty much being a hit man or if he accidentally killed his wife or or purposefully killed his wife in some weird way and has just continued life, was at that point taken advantage of by this other guy who fed him the story. Right, that's that's who I'm forgetting, the other guy. So he accidentally kills his wife and then the other guy starts manipulating him because of that. Okay, correct, that makes more sense, and it was. I couldn't some reason I was failing and it's been a while since I've watched it, but I was filmed. Made the connection between the fact that he killed his wife and then the fact that he had all his Attius to try to find his wife's killer. Hmm, I could not remember why. I like how he ended up in that situation. Right. Yeah,...

...no, I mean at the very beginning of the movie he kills his in, his buddies name is, I think it's Ted. So he's so the very viny of the movie it's Ted's dead body and he's developing the picture he just took of Ted and so you're like, wait, why did he kill this guy? Because it keeps developing backwards in this guy's his buddy and he keeps going back as going his backwards, going backwards, until you meet at that middle point where he just realized or he just admitted to him. Hey, I've been manipulating this you this whole time, but you're just going to forget this. Right before he forgets it, he takes a picture of him, writes down don't trust this guy. Right right, right round and he he tattooed. I think it's the same name always. It's just like John Jay or something like that's the Guy Foundag of newlhimer. Yeah, and so, yeah, like it's it's show. It's funny. It's like a really dark version of fifty first states. But that's my whole point. Really, like it's like think of any other movie that's dealt with something as as kind of interesting. It in mind blowing. Is Now memory loss? Yeah, and is it ever done in any way but comedy or rating? Maybe some kind of charm and fix. So states, but it's mainly just it's a comic thing. I like. You forget that. And Yeah, so it's really interesting is there's a series of games that I mentioned during a video game podcast called Amnesia and their horror games, and I'll spoil the I'm going to spoil the plots the first two movies. They're very similar. Basically, you wake up, you're this bridige dude and you wake up and you have no idea why you why you're there and you have a note. In the first one and eased the dark percent, which I think is the superior game, you wake up any have a note that just says go to the bottom of the castle and kill I think it's know, your name is Daniel, kill whatever the guy's name is m and so you're like going through this castle trying to piece together how did I get here? Why you I why didn't even note to myself to kill this guy? What's going on? And why are there monsters everywhere and aggressive pink putting the trying to kill me? It's a little weird. It's it's like this. It's like this like grotesque cancerous growth. The graphics aren't good, so kind of just looks like like can salmon pure a, just like, oh no, that might be pressing you. But but as you go through the game it turns out, okay, you were an archeologist and you were digging in this place in Egypt. You found this orb thing and when you touched it, something started chasing you and sort of killing people around you, and so you met this guy and this guy was like, I know how to fix this. You have to feed it suffering. So he goes and he the guy who's like a baron in some random place in the middle of nowhere, is kidnapping his citizens and torturing them in like horrible, Crucian ways, like women and children, you know, horrible torture devices and bronzels. It's really pretty grotesque. And because you were complicit with this, because you're helping this guy. But it turns out this guy was just trying to get back this dimension. It got a little weird. He was like an alien somehow. It was a little confusing to me, but right. So it was you gave yourself a media because you're like, I can't deal with the stuff that I've done, but I need to stop this guy, so you give yourself an Asia, right. And the second one is it's very similar, where you wake up in the middle of nowhere and this voice is like Hey, can you turn on this machine for me, and it's all about, you know, societies filled with people who are pigs and level. There's a lot of pig imagery. Yeah, not very subtle. But it turns out that you went to some Aztec Temple and had a vision of World War II and and and a vision of your son's dying in World War II. So you kill them so they don't have to suffer through is. And I'm like that's a bit extreme. World War One, I think. Actually. But but in both cases they the plot devices. You have a thesia and then you slowly unfold the story. Doesn't Kuite do the both ends? Surely in study beginning, but you start, you don't unfold the things in in the in the right order. Right, you get bits and pieces and it kind of gotta put them together in order and figure out, Oh, here's the picture of what's going on. Right. So, yeah, I think that your first kind of thought is how to how does a person exist in this? How? How can they make any sense of anything going on around them? Yeah, but I think he did a really interesting job at developing this guy's system for how he keeps track. Yeah, yeah, super important things he tattoos on his body, right, kind of like his main goals and purpose. Right, other than that he's just got all these clues that he's kind of like digging out of his pockets almost right, and it's such an interesting thing how he leaves clues for himself at the very end of the scene where in the previous scene you just saw him use that clue and you're like wow, where, how did you get that coaster that's got an address written on it? Because he pulls it guess I better go here. And then the next scene you see why he does that and you're like, oh, that makes sense, because he's literally leaving it, setting himself for self in the next thing, and it's just I think it's such a bizarre idea that if somebody were to tell to you, you'd go all right, I can't see how that's going to be done. Well, yeah, be interested, you did do it. What's what? What I think works really, really well about that, in both the movie and in the the Games I just mentioned, is your you're the character that you're supposed to be empathizing with is learning things as you're learning things, right, so they're not yes, like they're not just like, oh, by the way, dump exposition right, which is obnoxious, when when they're like with they're undo this in the person's like, well, I've seen this...

...before. When did you see this ten minute exposition? Dumb? Right, it's you know, they're learning these things for the first time, not from another character expositioning all over the face, right, right. They're learning as they're reacting to the world and they're reacting to it in organic ways. Yeah, so it you feel much bigger connection to that. Personally. You're like, Oh, yeah, if I was in the situation, I have no idea what's going on either. On. Yeah, and you're intrigued, like I want to know what's going to happen next. So in that respect I think it works really well. Yeah, I just think it was it was a hard movie to follow. Yeah, anybody who goes and watch this the first time definitely recommend it. Won't spoil anything. Look up a video that that just talks about how the video is, how the movie is told, and that way you'll at least understand. Okay, the black and white videos are moving forward in time from the beginning of the movie to the middle of the movie and the colored scenes are starting at the very end and slowly piece back. He's going backwards. Yeah, so that'll give you. It's definitely whatever. You need a primer, which is another movement's really hard to follow. We're not talking about time travel. We need a time travel of so, but I'm UN doing that right now. We'll get around of that, we'll get right and these other the movies. Speaking of, speaking of next movie, the Prestige. Oh Great, so I thought the Prestige was quite a good movie. Okay, Prestige. Spoilers, spoilers for prestige. I thought the whole clone thing was way out of left field, really really, because, at least as far as I remember, they hint it there being some something mysterious and something that Nicola Tesla's doing and and that it's like it's not magic, it's some some technology, think he has. I and then imply that it's a teleporter. Yeah, I think, if I remembered collect, they imply that he has a teleporter. Well, and then it turns out he's just transferring consciousness to a body and he just has a bunch of clones. That was like a little weird for me. I didn't at that that bit. I mean it made sense with the plot lecture, it solved the puzzle, but it wasn't for me. I didn't feel like it was really that satisfactory. I think what he's trying to get to was that he this guy, Hugh Jackman's character, was obsessing so much over this thing that he was willing to go to such a dark place and he had to discover, okay, how do we get to this dark place? That also gives him success in making his trick right. And it became. He became a mass murderer and it's kind of so yeah of him. So it's like, and he taught any talks about the concept in his in his journals, which are kind of like audibly told to the audience pretty much the whole movie, which is an interesting way to tell a story. Actually, I think it was really good. And he talks about the dilemma of saying every time I come out there, I don't know which one I'm going to be. But he always leaves a gun for the one that drops that like that dropped in the first at first it's what he does. He leaves a gun right next to himself so that when the new clomb POPs up, he shoots him and he sits there and he's breathing heavily and he's like what in the world was it was that and you. But the thing is you honestly don't know which one was the original one. I'm sure he died along the way and then the next one just came up. And because it's a concept that doesn't like make a whole lot of sense, cloning yourself, you can't really understand it. But so hugh Jackman Popson is like, who is this? It's me, and I do agree that it didn't. It's not like the whole movies is about sorcery and dark knew Dick and things like that. So it was a little lot the the the whole thing about the it's like it's about the drive to come up with the next big trick, right, and what what lengths you're going to do it. But then they just kind of introduce his whole field of weird to weird, like cyber started steampunk technology to explain the trick and as I feel like they could have. I mean I don't think it would have been satisfactor they're like, Oh, he found a witch in the which resurrection is actually a corpse. Like I don't think that would have been satisfactory either. So. But but I think I like the ending, like the point of it being that one person had the had the ability to perform this trick right. And there's that scene earlier in the movie where Michael Caine, who's kind of like they're why is it your cocaine and my Michael Michael Kane, the character he plays, he's kind of like he's not like their guide, but he's he's he works with you, Hugh Jackman, in the movie, and he tells them both, Hey, go and see this one magician and you tell me how he does this one trick. If you, if you could ever tell me how he does a trick, you know, I'll give you whatever, a million dollars because it's so amazing. And it's this Chinese man and he's old and he hobbles around and he just kind of like puts his cloak over over this desk in front of him and he moves it and there's this giant bowl, fish bowl, with a goldfish in it, and they're all just like astonished the like. That doesn't make any sense because their magicians as well. They know all the tricks you can do and that's just not one of them. Like that's just not a trick that anybody can do. And what Hugh Jackman and Christian Bale realizes that he had to live his whole life like the trick. I mean the old man actually wasn't really an old man, he was an he doesn't hobble around like that, he walks like that so that he can carry this giant fish bowl in between his legs and squeeze it there while, you know, while he walks around in this, you know in you know, normal South Asian garb. I don't know what it was. He was wearing some kind of so so he had to perform that as his whole trick. He's getting helped into his carriage like an old man afterwards, and they're looking at him like this isn't like like he's literally performing constantly. And that is what Christian, by all...

...that's onto and says that's my true that's going to be my trick, because I live my entire life switching back and forth with my quote Unquote Assistant, who's actually his twin brother, right, and they keep switching back and forth to be, you know, like their main guy. At that eventually becomes the greatest trick in the world because nobody knows he actually has a twin brother, and so it's done organically, it's done naturally, it's done like, quote unquote, the right yea, see that, the twin brother. I thought was a good review. Oh Yeah, and like I love his character in the movie just because, again, that's that's like dedication and hard work as opposed to selling your soul to the devil. kind of to to just get us think selling your soul to the devil would have made more sense than Nicola Tesla as a witch. Well, again, it's just like they kind of set it up as though it was the normal universe, but then you're like, and Nicola Tesla was doing some weird things with technology that we're like cloning things. So at least they wrap it in the idea that it's it's science, it's being tested and the person is doing is kind of like, yeah, this is weird, we didn't really realize how we got here. It kind of just Clok, like he's kind of even unsure. It's really just Hugh Jackmen's character that that kind of delves into the technology, because because even Nicola Tesla's like bury this thing. Like if I had to give you any vice, burn it, destroy it because it's evil, like we don't really understand what it is. We we kind of stumbled upon the technology doing something else, if you like, he issantly, we're cloning things. Yeah, the thing is like that, and that's that's the thing that at that I feel like happens to Science Fictional like they stumble on this crazy technology and like it's too dangerous to the they're dangerous to beating. I am getting there. He's too dangerous to be dangerous. But the FIG is like science works and small increments generally, and if they had like to uncover some arcane thing like Oh, they're tapping into some eldrich God and they can't control it and, you know, it's like or it's like the genie where he made a wish that he could do this trick and put the you know, the the trade off is he has to kill himself every time or something shit. I honestly think that would have drive better than this technology that kind of POPs up out of nowhere, because that if they had, if they had indicated that, oh, Tesla's built, you know, like some crazy street lamp or floating car or something like that, and established that this is a universe where Nicola Tesla is some crazy inventor. But he the problem is, and again I think I think if I can separate this, you the leap to getting to the clone stuff. I think it works as like a character moment and you know the implications of that. I think, a really good sure, but Nicola Tesla is just straight up at day of sex machina that just kind of magically appears and makes the cloning device and then disappears. I will say it would have raised more red flags had hit had had nick. Sorry now you keep saying the name Nikola Tesla, and that's Hugh Jackman's character kind of just just, quote unquote, like you said, stumbled across it. But his whole like the way that his character is developing, is moving towards an idea of I will go to any links to yeah, I get by sea and you're watching that develop over the course of I'm going here, I'm going here, I'm going to yeah, and I think that part works. Yeah, I think that part works. I think it's just the end. It's like he's driven by this and sanity to quote unquote, find a way and he does eventually stumble upon technology is hidden somewhere, and that is a little it's the strangest part of the whole movie. Obviously it's the only part that's this kind of supernatural weird, but the idea that a person could look hard enough and eventually get there, like he he, they did a good job developing any developing him into a character that could potentially go and find something bizarre. Lot is our sure sure and and that's fine it. That's honestly one of my only grip with it. I thought it was a good movie, just that kind of Nickeola Tesla's just like what is your wish by boss, think gets a merited great which it's you know what? Yeah, again, I don't know. Again, I don't know how you would have done in a satisfactory way. I just think that was a little too easy. But anyways we can because because again, it was like it wasn't like was he, you know, Lash Nicola Tesla to his ship and was like make this technology for me. It was just that Nikola Tesla's like hey, by the way, I have to we've been cloning the guys. Like, HMM, again, I'm pretty minor grape for what was actually, you know, a solid movie. Solid movie. So just to re touch before we go into the next movie, what I said at the beginning about the ways that that Christopher Nolan develops his movies. So he introduces the s that this idea of the Magic Act. There's three parts to him right act. He explains that in the beginning. I can't remember the names of the first two, but it's pretty much it's like those. It's like the reveal, set up, the set up, the review, like the set up on the setup, the something in the precision. I will look it up for you. Keep talking anyways. So he introduces this concept and later on in the movie that essentially plays out with Christian bales character writer. He he's presented, you know, he is now like the leading magician. He embarrasses Hugh Jackman. Then he is arrested for you Jackman's death. So he's taken away and you think that that's the end of the movie and you really think that that was the build up, that was the climax, but then, oh no, like like like the second that you think you've got it, you've missed it, and all of a sudden he's revealed at the end with the prestige with you realize he's got a twin brother, because he shows up there at the end with Hugh Jackman and you're like, oh my gosh, I literally just watched Christian baled eye. How could this work? Like, I'm so confused. So it's the pledge, the turn and the prestige. Yeah, so you...

...pledge by, think you said you played by commortiant, but yeah, showing something ordinary by saying this is this is the magician. And the what was the second one? Second one is to turn. The turn something ordinary. May could do something extraordinary. Yep, so you killed Christian bales character in the prestige, which is where you revealed that you've still alive. But I think that the fact that like that, that's where Christopher Nolan actually becomes a part of the movie, because the movie itself is about these magicians and it's great acting and it's such a fun movie. But then Christopher Nolan himself is also telling the story like it's a magic act, which is just awesome. And we mean we've already this is already what we talked about in him pretty much the whole entire thing of Momento, what we just talked about, how he tells the story as if he is somebody with memory loss, right, he's telling it back rights and forwards, and so in both of these movies already you've seen that kind of Nolan asked like, okay, I'm going to tell the story, but now I'm going to use that story to tell the story, like it's insane. Right. So let's move on and we're not going to spend too much time on this because we could talk about it during out Batman podcast. But Oman trilogy, I just again. I would point to that as his directing prowess, because the visuals are stunning. Oh yeah, and he managed to make Batman feel like it could actually happen. And then, especially Dark Knight. I think he does it in all three. I think dark knight rises is probably the least good on this aspect, although it's fine right, but the way the characters interact with each other is especially joker and Batman, I think is really what solidifies it as an excellent movie. So I think I honestly, you know, I like the whole trilogy, but I think you could watch dark knight as a movie by itself and well, any three of them, maybe not dark knight rise. That does kind of predicate on the two previous ones. Yeah, but Batman begins, obviously it's the Intro, but I think dark knight works as a standalone film. Yeah, I think it's excellent stand because, again, most people have a base level knowledge of WHO Batman is. Sure, no, I do think, though, as far as like for me it, Batman begins and Dark Knight are kind of on the same plateau. And then honestly our all three of them. I can kind of love them in together. But if I had to pick up as a favor one that I like rewatching, it might be Batman begins or Dark Knight, which I sure they're both amazing. Thing I like about Batman begins is telling his backstory and a little more depth does a lot for the character moving forward. And usually, like the story that we all know about Batman's beginning is okay, his parents get shot and becomes Batman, right, but this one doesn't really tell it that way. Says his parents get shot and he kind of like he kind of doesn't know what he's doing with his life. He thinks he kind of wants to go and kill this guy that killed his parents. He's got a lot of rage and vengeance, but ultimately he kind of gives up right like like he just he just like flees the city, the other country and he becomes this criminal. He talks about starving at times. He to. He's just in jail essentially fighting people just just because, and that makes way more sense for somebody who spins their entire life wanting to see justice because they essentially thought nothing of their life prior to that right, as opposed to lots of times when you just start the Batman story with, okay, he was a kid, his parents got shot and that's what he wants to do, you're like, like, I'm sure he still has other things he wants to pursue in life, and that's always that's always the the the the the tug with Batman is all right, he wants to live a normal life, he wants to be with this girl that he loves, he wants to do, you know, like essentially have that, but he also wants to be Batman and that's what he tustles with. This one actually, in my opinion, made the most sense out of the Batman Movies that I've seen, because it gives him this whole elaborate beginning of saying this is this is really who he is and where he comes from. This is why he's so driven just to be like no, like I've tried to live the normal life and all I've wanted to do it's just leave and and like essentially give up on life. This is the only thing that really gives me life and energy. And it's more, it's it's put as more of an obsession and like almost an unhealthy thing, which is it was just like will concept and I was able to, like you said, like latch onto that character and think that he's real, because I was like, Oh, I could actually see this person, this individual person, having this much drive and wanting to be something. Yeah, crazy and and I think Batman begins and dark knight rises both flirted a little bit with the outside of believable stuff with this. You know how strong vein was and the whole I put this knee bras on, I can kick therough concrete. there. That like one specific scene. I was like then, why to make any sense? Joker, fear gas, yeah, which is it's not completely unreasonable, but it's like everyone reacts the way he wants them to react with, which is not reasonable. But that's I can get over that. And then this. Okay, you see, you ano the biggest, biggest, biggest plot hole in the dark night. Oh Yeah, all right, sorry, I bat Batman begins. So they're dumping it into the water supply for like weeks, right, and it only activates when it when it gets gasified. Right. Huh. So no one boiled water, made Spaghetti, took a hot shower, like nobody is not, just like the guy down the street eating his wife, and you're like Hey, red flag, what's going on? Like, I mean, you know, maybe that's why it's so griming. Literally no one showers, no one has hot water. Also, like what's the point of dumping it into the water supply for weeks, like...

...wouldn't it give just cycled through by now also be out into the ocean again, like like why not just do it thatly, that was like that was a dumb plot point. But it again doesn't really movie. It's just like, you know, that was the biggest stretch, I think, in the Batman. But but so those have so begins and rises have more fantastical elements where I think dark knights. Everything that happened with the with the exception of maybe some of the batmobile stuff, but even that you could you could see being reasonable. Right. All of it is like that could that. You know, if you took out Batman, I could be watching the departed, right. So so to me that's why dark knight is the best. Yeah, because it's it's not about the setting, it's about the play between the joker and Batman, right, or who are very well realized, Christian Bale to a lesser extent, like but you know, Heath Ledger really steals the show. Sure, but it really is about that play, that tension between joker and Batman, how far Batman's willing to go. And then have Harvey Dent, who's like willing to go yea so far, but then he gets pushed over the edge. And Yeah, I think Dark Knight Really Really Works for me in a lot of ways. Yeah, no, I think that specific element of using dent to show, really to show how how much it takes to be Batman, because you have Batman going, okay, somebody else out there has to have this drive that I have to not become corrupt but to be as hard nosed as you need to be to put these criminals in line. And he's like Oh, it didn't. Has it didn't? Has it didn't? Has it didn't? Has it didn't? Doesn't happen. He's pushing with the edge, and so he's like that's it has to be me, like I can't give this up, because nobody can take this mantle. I'm the only one that has, again, looking back at bat me, what's I'm the only one that has this past that has turned him into the person that I am now, which literally says I'm going to be as hard as I possibly can without turning into them, and I'm going to bump right up against that line. And although again, the kind of similar problem with the with the Arkham Games, is like some of those slugs are definitely dead. Yeah, I got it. The ARKHAM Games are hilarious, Larry. It's like you have to punch them seventy five time, like seven don't this guy's works. The hinder cheese after the first offender is the Batmobile, and it's like, oh no, it tastes them. They go like rocketing off into the sky, like you know, you can be like a twenty mile for hour car crash and get permanent back damage. Does you have to go in there? You're going like seventy miles an hour. That person is jelly like literally evaporated. anyways, let's move on for bad and exception. I love and inception, in my opinion, was the perfect mix of understandable and enjoyable enough at the time but still had so much payoff to watch it the theme and fourth time. Yeah, I think. I think. I think it was the peak of this is a high browt like a high concept film. Yeah, but it's digestible to everyone because it had really cool visuals and they explained enough about right concept that you could you could you get. Okay, they're diving into dreams or diving in a dress. They got a little silly, like when they're like edem dreams down and then like the bottom of purgatory. That I got a little weird and they did explain it, but it's still like so I think that there's so there's often I wouldn't call it a lazy way of directing, it's just a is a used very often way of directing and telling a story. Yeah, common, there you go. We're in order to explain a concept, you introduce a character that doesn't know that concept. So you have your main character explain it. To that characters who are in turn, you get to sit there and get explained. In reality, they're explaining it to you. Yeah, you're as through this new character, and so it uses this this kind of a common concept, which is funny just because I think Nolan usually tries to go for for really bizarre ways to tell his stories, to reveal himself. But this what I think it was such a farfetched idea that he's like, we need to do this at the bare bones, like yeah, somebody's gonna walk in, have no idea what it is and we're going to spend a lot of time with just like with just you know. Yeah, he had the outset. Had basically explain every everything out works, but they did it in a way that that, again, it is kind of a an easy way out, is to just have someone who knows nothing and then have a character explain everything to them, which usually goes along lines of two characters are talking, one says we got to do did it, and then the third person, who isn't familiars with what's did it, a exposition done. Yeah, I thought that the way they did it was she's this kind of person, right, and so they're on boarding her into this kind of the secret organization thing. So she's getting she's reductory speech. And what it? What is it called? When you're just starting out in an organ interview? You know, like when you're just starting out of the organization, they're getting you. She to walk through like it's getting the tour. Yeah, no, like like your initial training. What do you call that? My brain, my brain melted like a nothing exception. We can get back to that. It's going to come up like ten minutes, in ten minutes. But but but you know, they did that and they kind of show her for ones leveled, almost like what what Morpheus does with you in the major right, the kind of take them into the the shallow was level right and explain things and then he kind of goes off on you know, old and if you do this new, but but that's honestly, like he just kind of starts rambling and she's just like...

...what are you just introduced me to level one, which I think is reasonable. So I thought it was what was the most organic way of doing that, in organic storytelling. Right. No, no, I agree. It was much needed and it was done in a good way. I love the idea of like of dreams, obviously, just because that's something that everybody can connect to. Everybody's thought a lot about it. You've constantly thought, oh, man, like lucid dreaming is such a cool idea. You know a lot of people are saying, you know, I have lucid dream or I know how to do it or something. I've experienced lucid dream once, where I was in the dream and just had a full understanding that was in a dream and a full control of what was going on, and it's such a cool feeling and the idea of like, Oh, we can control that. It's like Oh, like, it doesn't even seem like necessarily that far fetch. Yeah, an idea like hey, it's just a Syrian that pussy to sleep, and this allows your brain functions to do x, Y and c, to do things. You've already experienced a lot being in a dream and all like the nuances of being in a dream, like you never know when it starts. You always just think that you've been there forever. And that's what he has to tell her, like hey, like, do me a favor. How did we get here? And she's like, Oh, yeah, we walk from the and then we wait and then so she has to like she doesn't even realize that she was injured into a dream, just how we are when we're in the dream. Don't necessarily recognize you right away, my mind being for the for the dream world, which obviously I understand why they did it the way he did it. HMM. Everything in the dream is too normal, like dreams. But their control dream. Sure, sure, I understand that. But like the architecture of the dream is not the the the architecture of the dream. Fine, because because they do have it like Oh, you walked one block Washra actually suddenly like on a beach or whatever. Right, that's fine, that made. That's dream logic. Yeah, but dream logic is not there are normal people with normal cars. Dream Lonchic is these cars are flying and you know, like really weird surreal things can happen. And I think the reason that he didn't do that is because you're not supposed to know whether it's a dream or not. Well, and also he talks about the concept, and again this is this is a created fake concept, and so should but the way he explains it is that the closer you start to realize it's a dream, the more bizarre your subconscious starts acting, and that's when the dream does get kind of wacky and weird and you do have like trains driving through the middle of the dream, doing the street writing, right, that's not like again, I do it. I obviously know I'll talk about this as somebody that's like really weird surreal dreaming, like I'm doing my taxes and then like an aliens are like, Dude, why are you doing your taxes? We're trying to play chess, like that's sort of Sion with like it like a Moose, and you're just like yeah, and you know like every other person is not wearing pants and you just like it, but but you act like a solely normal because it doesn't bother because you're in a dream, right. So so it is true that their dream concept is essentially we're just going into a normal world, right. It's like we're going to call it a dream, right, and that's that would be my my one ding. Yeah, I like that. Go again. They kind of had to do that because they want to have you questioned whether certain things are dreams or not, right, and if you're like well, there's a banana walking through the street, probably a dream. Know, and I just think it's cool to to one they introduce the idea, like Christohiner Al interduces the idea, so he could essentially do whatever he wants with it, but the rules he decides to make for it are so interesting and cool to where it's like dreams are much like and they're all things that are like close enough to reality, like I interest, like I said before, don't really know what how you arrived at where you're at. The dreams are longer than normal world world, and so essentially, the deeper they go, the longer period of time they get while they're walking around. Again, this is all in their heads, but they're all walking around and they get so much time, the deeper in, the deeper that they go. That all like you can kind of follow along, but yet he's making those rules himself, and so I just think he did a good job kind of leading the audience along, and those concepts and those ideas I did like. We haven't touched on this yet, but Hans Zimmer is essentially his like go to, Oh yes, or for all of his ideas, and so I love this. Is a great soundtrack by the ruined movie trailers forever like his. It like the the song time in that it's like, you know, it's completely over used now it's not. Is Not? Yes, it he is. It's such an amazing song. It's a little overused in like motivational speeches now because it's a very like pump up song, but such an incredible song. And like, I think soundtrack this is like the first movie where the soundtrack really started to help his movies along, because it continues to be kind of like knocking out of the park with most movies he makes after this with Hans Zimmer. Yeah, it's I thought I'm such was a good movie. Now, I did think it. Did you? Did you see the South Park where they were making moment inception? No, so basically, like they're doing inception right. And so there are people like standing in the room where the people are dreaming. MMM, and they keep like having to go layers and layers down. But these this pizza Kai boks and he's like hey, did anyone with the pizza? And the guys whom in the room like no, maybe it was one of them. And so the piece guys like I'm going in to jumps and in septs himself into the dream, delivering a pizza. I thought it was pretty funny. All right, let's move on. This is a terrible idea. We got them up to now we're moving into the ones that I haven't seen. So there three. The next three movies I have not watched. Okay, interstellar. You'ven seen our stellar? Noah. So...

I honestly thought it look kind of boring. But that's the thing. It doesn't even matter. It's Christopher Nolan and it's Hans Zimmer. Go Watch it like the let's see that. I'm not on that train. I want to watch a movie that that I find intriguing and you will find super long. Space travel is not in cheguing. You like Star Wars and Star Trek. Yeah, but there are aliens and fights in that. I am see the Lotos Brow. I need action, I need Michael Day direct my case. Well, there, I always tell you there are some of the most intense scenes in movies, in my opinion, in that in that movie. So okay. Well then, let me talk on it a little bit and I up to try not to spoil it, but ahead, I know, I know, but the library a live barby the test react of the live bar, because the the past, the time traveling Lib Right. Okay, something that I really love about this movie is the starting and I've totally forgotten about it until I watched it recently and I remembered. I was like, oh my gosh, like I totally forgot this other movie starts. The movie starts with a bunch of people essentially talking about how life was when the world was ending, like a documentary, and I totally forgot about that little thing that introduced with her all and it's all these old people and it's so authentic like that, you swear you're like he's really interviews with people, like and they're sitting there and there, like I remember, we'd always, you know, have to turn our cups upside down because it dust had come in and and, you know, we'd have to Bo I'd go out in the morning and then you couldn't see the sun because both and like it's it's like kind of showing those clips over, you know, this farming scene where he's starting out with his with his family and the farm. It's such like a slow, subtle movie. I love it so much. Okay, like one hundred I don't know to say a hundred percent. If Hans Zimmer's is my favorite soundtrack, maybe of all time. It's hard to say, like what would the Lord of the rings just or Star Wars? One of those epic ones isn't better, but as far as they standalone movie it's, in my opinion, the greatest downtrack of all time. So Hans Zimmer is told one thing. He's told, Hey, this is a movie about a dad, and is so, which is actually isn't even true, because later it turns out to be a daughter. They change it to Murph, the main the main girl character, his daughter. And so Hans Zimmer Starts Writing Music. That's just it's like the whole story behind the music is just a connection between a father and a son or father and a daughter. And he's doing it in an he knows it's going to be in space, and so he decides, okay, I want to use organs. So what they do is they go and they to the largest oldest set of or you call him a set of organs, largest oldest organs gues in the world. It is the super gigantic old church and they get again, like one of the best organ players in the world to come and they set up Mike's Everywhere and that's where it's recorded. From me, he literally it's his organist playing the music that Hans Zimmer writes him and it is the most incredible music you ever heard and I just can't, I can't wrap my head around how Hans Zimmer comes up with that music not even knowing the movie and just getting a concept of an idea, saying, okay, it's about a father and a son, and he writes this music that's so incredible. It's like, and I mean and that that underlining soft organ playing and at times really intense organ playing is it just is, just pepper throughout the entire movie, ext amazing points that just you're I don't know it like it's one of my favorite movies ever. I Love Interstellar and the acting is obviously great. You have you have Timothy Schallemagne, the little kid, and he's in it for a little bit. Okay, he's kind of like the new upandcoming young kid actor. I'm trying to think of things he's played. He played in that one really weird movie where like, Oh, that's okay, we're like the like the fifteen year old gay kid, like like like it one one best movie or whatever it was. Blighting, call me by my name or something like that. I don't want really bizarre. Is he like he like a sex at the peach? Yeah, I watch comedies and actually even never heard of that scene, though. That was it. Those just kind of like heard American Pie. No, it's not even a comedy scene. Yeah, that's looks like a weirdly intimate like. It's okay, I didn't like the movie at all, but he's the kid that accident that anyways, I don't want to watch the movie. Okay. So the concept of interstellar is another one of those. Okay, you're talking about time travel, you're talking about harvesting gravity, but it does it. You know, gravity makes sense. I don't even know if they call it harvesting gravity, but basically a way to manipulate gravity and that's how they build their spaceships. But they do it in such a way that that that somehow seems believable. It's obviously not just like that. Managers are just like Bane. Isn't, but it's like at least the characters the movie, that you believe that they believe it. You believe that it's all that like. You believe that that you believe talking about like like time running differently when you get close to a black hole and when you when you come back out of a black hole, like scenes where they go down to the planet and come back in. The people up in the ship have aged thirty years, but they haven't aged at all. Him Having to interact with his kids as they age, you know several, you know decades, and he he hasn't aged at all, to the point where he meets his daughter at the end and she's hold and dying and he's still young in anyways. Just just the idea of those ideas, the concepts of time travel, just seem very believable. I...

...would say the biggest point, again, I'll touch on it again, is the soundtrack is just amazing. If you just listen to the interstellar soundtrack all day, it wouldn't be a wasted day. The Go and watch that movie in like K on a huge TV with a sound turned all the way up. It'll blow your mind. Such a good movie. That's another one where. Yeah, that's one where I feel like you're supposed to watch it in Imax, like, yeah, it's designed for an Imax experience. Oh yeah, no, and again it's the same Nolan esque idea of introducing the idea of being able to like the time being manipulated, like in faster certain places and slower other other places, and telling them movie that way. Just an incredible movie. Love Interstellar. I plug it. I know it's got a weird ending. Just accept the endings. Weird. Never anyways. But yeah, you have to see it, do we? We got to watch that the other center. Okay, force you to do it. All right. Two more movies. Okay, this one I doubt we'll talk about too long. Dun Kerk, dunkirk. You've seen it? NOPE, it's in the way you say. In said I haven't seen any of use these. So Dunk Kirk is definitely one hundred percent, and I didn't use this. An example just because it's really not one of my favorites, is when we were talking about movies that you don't get the first time earlier. What's not to get? It's a historical event. Well, that's that. This is what I'm up so again, spoilers for Dunker at least the way that stories told. So the story is told like this. Try to follow. Okay. So it starts off with with a group of people that are on a beach. And this is the story of Dunker this is history of it, and it in for them. This is across across seven days or ten days. I believe that that's what it announces at the beginnings, is this is this is day one of this and it starts filming them. Then it films people in boats on the other side that are a citizens that eventually go. That's the story of Dunkark is that a bunch of citizens ended up just traveling with their normal boats across across the sea, yet the channel to pick up. However, how I ever many thousands and thousands of soldiers get them back home right, because they were literally stranded there and they're getting killed right, and so like. So it was a what's his name? Who's is the famous dude? They're like the leader. What's his name? Hitler, know the guy in England, Church Church? Yeah, so that's when Churchill sits did the announcement to for citizens. Every thought he was crazy and and million or however many thousand citizens went over anyways. So it's filming the citizens with their boats, and that one is over the course of one day. Okay, you fallen. So it's one week, one day and then there are fighter pilots that it's over the course of one hour, I believe, but it's spicing back and forth like a normal movie would, between different people happening, but the time frames are all off. That makes sense. And so yeah, so the people be leaving the beach. You know the soldiers will finally be getting picked up from the beach by these citizens, and then you flip over to the citizens and they haven't even left yet and the fighter pilots are shooting planes down and then it flips the fighter pilots. They haven't gotten their planes yet. So it's really bizarre and like it was one of those where I was like, Nolan, you could have just told this in a normal, orderly, succinct fashion and it would have been fine. Historical re enactment makes no sense to do the weird time thing with because you know what happens. So you're just going into there to kind of to feel like you were there right. So if you mess with the timeline and mess with the perspectives, it was hard to get in. It was really hard to follow. Again, and this is like I don't even like to plug it when this is the case. But again, I watched it a second time I thought it was awesome. I still don't think it gives it enough merit to be like hey, this is great. I think it's a bummer and it's a bad job by Nolan to make a movie that you can't understand the first time, because it is actually when it's like we literally know what happened because it happened in the story is good and it's and it's exciting, it's suspensable. The characters are really interesting that he introduces Tom Hardy is is the fighter pilots. He's excellent and we were about this and he talks like that because he's Gorbor Roue or but basically, the scenes that they filmed from the cockpit of that fighter pot are like I believe they were actually filmed from the there was something to do with this film like I totally forgot. Wish I had this knowledge at front from my frontal Cortex here ready to just Regurg date. But there's something about the way that they filmed the fighter pilot scenes that were like the most some of the most authentic filming styles you could ever film, and it really did come across if you watch those scenes and it just felt like you were in an old school, you know, dog fight. It was really, really cool. The movie excellent, but you just can't follow the story the first time you watch it. You won't be able to like that. Not I I will side. Still didn't get the second time, but I was able to piece it together and so probably better to go watch. What was it? Nineteen ten? Nineteen ten is excellent, following the two guys the whole way through. So or nineteen? Yeah, nineteen and eighteen,...

...nineteen seventeen, nineteen seventeen, nineteen seventeen nine, but it's shot as one take, right. Yeah, ninety seventeen. Excellent, really, really so. So that's when where you can do something sort of unique right to the genre, and but you drawn into the story of the two main yeah, my opinion, done much better than Dunkerk. Yeah, yeah, Dun Kirk was again, I hate to say it was good. It would really good the second time you watch it, but it's just it's just awful the first time. Bomber, all right, last one, tenant ten it did you see it now? And I don't really care. So okay, okay, so, okay, so this is this is like just came out. Yeah, so the spoilers, animal spoilers, if you're planning to go see it. Just I'm yet really not. Yeah, don't, don't bother listening. If you are, like look, come back and listen this after you see it. It's worth like you're going to want to like you're going to be scrapping for anybody to tell you anything after you go out to that movie, because it's it's it's insane, all right. So officially going to spoil Dune to it now? Yeah, all right, really, so I just I don't know. I watch the trailer and I was like, I have no interest in watching the movies. So, Hen you know how I described Momento being like a you, right, yeah, so you have your right hand at your left hand holding two ends of the same foam noodle and you're going at the same time from on the from the right hand and the left hand at the same time up. So you're you're bouncing back and forth between the end of the movie in the beginning of the movie, back forth, back forth, back for back forth, and you end at the middle of the you, which is the middle of the movie, and that's where the movie ends. Right. This movie is the same concept. You pull that you down, but you just start with your left hand and you go up and then it goes all the way back down to your right hand. So it gets to the middle of the movie, which is the end of the movie, and then you watch the movie backwards. Yeah, so again, this is one that I know the least about because of only seen it once and I don't really like to just watch a bunch of youtubers explain it to me. I like to be the Youtuber that explains it to people. And so at first this is this is how you're watching the movie. There's there's some really shady things going on. You here really quickly. It's not a not a long inception style. Let's explain this to you. It's like a crash course, by the way, there's things that in an er inverted, that are keep coming back through time. We don't know where they come from, but they're like bullets and little pieces off. So it's just like the time stream is messed up. Yes, and and it's really weird. I still don't quite understand how people moving forward in time can still interact with the inverted objects. So like they could still pick up bullets and essentially, essentially like just hold their hand over the bullet and think that they just drop the bullet and then the bullet would come into their hand. Yes, what? And and if they were, if there are, like if they shot those bullets into into a wall, they could pull out the inverted gun, point them and pull the trigger in the bullets are each coming back into the gun. And so this is the first time you're introduced to that idea and you're like, Oh man, I still don't get it. It's still completely lost. So you continue to watch the movie and you slowly start to realize that there are inverted people that are like sprinting backwards and like they're fighting people, but you can tell all their movements are really bizarre because they're moving backwards. So it's there like an inverted world that's fighting with the real world. So this is this is what happens eventually. It obviously has to do with time travel in a way, but it actually in this is this is where once I figured this part out of the movie, and again it's annoying that I'd figure it out, you know, three three quarters of the way through the movie that I was like, oh, that's what they're doing, that is really cool. I wish I would have known that for the beginning. So what they do is they take to get the concept of time travel as an actual physical travel right, which means you go through time and now you're essentially am imagine like a vhs and all of a sudden it stopped and it started rewinding. So now you still have to stand there while time rewinds and you can actually interact with things that are rewinding in time. So for you, for you that it just that you just did that and you click that button in time is now rewinding. Every everybody looks obviously like they're walking backwards. You're witnessing time to go backwards, but they're witnessing you move forward. So to them you're moving backwards. And so so you're you're as a movie viewer, you're watching it once forward to where you see a few people moving backwards and looking really awkward, and then you realize once they go through this this device that inverts them now out, now time is rolling backwards and that they're still moving forwards, but everything else that you saw just a second ago is moving backwards. So what's the main issue of the movie? So the main this and this is one of the biggest I already mentioned a few qualms that I had with it, but this is one of the biggest problems I have with it. Was the main you canna think I'm joking, the main probably like the main like bad guy of the movie, is going to kill the whole world. That's it. Yeah, like you're going to go back in time and kill the the first A. Basically, they just shoved a whole lot of buzzwords into one sentence and said, and that's always going to do it literally, like so me, I watched this with John Boney, a friend of ours, and we just kept joking about like, oh, we figured it out. Would you have to do? Is You have to take the dead drop it after you invert it. You get there and once it...

...going backwards, you get back into the inversion and you drop the dead drop into the zone where you were inverted in the first place. But you have to be going backwards. And like that was like you have to that moon long yet that was the word my Gud thin conde the world to you with why? So basically it was his motivation for destroying the world. So his whole thing is that he is just he is the first one to discover that you can invert things. It had to do with Chernobyl, like, like he's a Russian guy, and with all like the rate of radio raation and stuff, he realized that some objects were were fidgeting and moving backwards and times that, if he hause of Chernobyl or like Yournoble, happened because of an inverted them. So, no, no, because of Chernobyl, certain devices he was able to harness some kind of inversion to where he realized, if I put something in this device, it now is traveling back in time, and then he eventually built these ways to travel back in time completely. So He's been doing this pretty much forever, and this is why he is just like multi zillionaire. Just does whatever he wants. He's always to be type steps ahead of everybody because he just inverts his like his team is constantly moving inverted next to him. So he's constantly got people that have already seen the future essentially protecting him. kind of a really hard concept, like again, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but so he's he knows he's going to die, like like he's dying soon. I can't remember why, but I think he's got like a hard problem and his home, it was true, no, was probably can't. Yeah, I would imagine. And so his whole thing is that, and this is a really weak premise. If he can't have it, he doesn't want anybody to and you kind of going to kill the world because he's going to die. Yes, that's so weak. So he has basically he has these devices that if he puts them in again, that whole word salad that I said, then it'll, it'll the whole world will collapse. Literally, like at the beginning he's like, Oh, what are we talking about? Nuclear Holocaust, and they're like worse, and I like wait, worse, and I'm like come on, Christopher Nolan, what are you talking about? And then it's like the whole world is going to below. I don't think they use the word blow up, but essentially that's what's going to happen. It's going to hold other implode and just die. And so they're essentially trying to figure out how do you get to this guy who's can see the future? But and and it's just a few cool things about it. On the inverted scenes you have inverted music, really interesting music. So and it doesn't just sound like like gunk like coming out of your ears. You'd imagine inverted backwards music. It's like this music was designed to be played backwards. So that whole concept pretty neat. They the whole idea that they have these teams and these these special force units that are trained at doing things inverted is a really cool idea, because they have two teams that, and this is again it is they have is this scene at the end of the movie when they're they're going to make their final like run to get this like one device that he's going to put in the in the macguffin to blow up the world. They're trying to steal it and and they're explaining like their strike team what they're going to do, and it's like I wish I could have understood anything he was saying, but I understood none of it. And then I watched it all play out and I'm like, I this is just this is just gone, like there's just nonsense happening. There's half that, half the squad is moving forward, half the squad is just finished the mission, moving backwards, and so you're like so one squad had to go through it, knowing that the next squad was going to go through it afterwards and then they inverted themselves. It came backwards through. So so it's the concept, in my opinion, was too big to make a movie off of. Like it's just maybe I'll watch it the second time and be like that was genius, but in my opinion it it's just it's just not. It was just too much. And again, the idea that that is how you would time travel kind of interesting, the premise being that like like the whole the biggest plot point being that this guy is just kind of like he just has this thing that he doesn't want to them people to have what he and have, and so he wants to kill the whole world. Is Stupid. That was a silly way to do it. I don't know if it's because I saw it in feeders like as like, you know, a special edition cut, because it kind of it come out summer certain places. I hadn't come out of other places when I saw it, but there was really choppy cutting and it would and for the layman when it we we I would talk about editing being poor in a movie. What that meet refers to is the way that that scenes are cut together. So, for instance, if if you were filming, if you're seeing me in the thing right now, you'd see me looking across the table at Nathaniel. We both have speakers in our face. We're talking into microphones. Is doing our podcast. Now. If I wanted to film Nathaniel, I'd go over my shoulder so you could see me in the foreground and you'd see Nathaniel talking in the background. That would be the main shot and then it would constantly flip back and forth over nathaniel shoulder, over my shoulder, over nathaniels shoulder, as we had a conversation. Now, obviously kind of elementary key things to make sure of is like, let's make sure I'm not picking my nose, and then the next scene, when it flips over nathaniel shoulder, my hands are by my side, because those are big enough things that when you edit them together, although the audio is going to sound good, the conversational sound fine, you can clearly tell all this is another take, this isn't the same take and it draws the audience out of the moment. So this is a really basic thing that even at my level of filmmaking I have to pay great attention to. There was like an entire dinner scene between the main character and in...

...the main female character. That was just horrendous, like every other scheme was, like I thought they were like do it on purpose, like he's like dancing and one of the cuts back and he's completely stopped. He's taking a sip of water and I'm like man, I couldn't follow, and that was one of the biggest points. Maybe that's where I missed most the information, but considering that everybody else that watch the movie with me was also lost, I'm assuming I didn't miss anything that was really abhorbable. So, yeah, according to this article by on CBR, he did have pancreatic cancer. There you go. He was working for a group from the future called the descendants that was trying to wipe up the past, apparently because to stop climate change. Oh, they're basing it on this one line. He says the their oceans rose in the rivers Fran Dry. Oh, is that it? You see, this is something and maybe if I watched the second time I would have gotten that. Wasn't harped on very hard and looking for the Algorithm and it hell, yeah, algorithm article. They're like this is his master plan and they don't actually explain well how the algorithm is helping me. I think it's like completely inverts time. So yeah, the Algorithm essentially is the thing that would blow up the world like it, and in the way that that works is, you know, x, Y and Z, I don't know, like it like it inverts like a half of the worth and the other half of earth doesn't get it very so it blows up anyways. But essentially that algorithm, which again I don't know where they type that into or what they do with it. If that's like, if that's a if the algorithm is just a longitude and latitude location on the earth, I don't even know. And I watched the movie. It was that bizarre. But again, if they were, if they were talking about why he was doing it as being a different motive, that would give a little more merit to the movie. But but again, if you just watch it the first time without analyzing it that deeply, I think you're going to be left where I was left. I analyzed movies pretty dept deeply when I watched them and I still wasn't able to get to get, you know, climate change. That might have been like a throwaway line like oh, their oceans like, and that might be kind of it seems like. It seems like you can see of the film was. You're not supposed to understand it. What do you see? The couple say? So this, this is this is what what I pointed out as maybe what Nolan was trying to do. No, no, try to try to get with me here. So he introduces the concept again. This is Nolan introducing a concept again. And then I think what he's doing is he's wanting to also tell the story in that way. So he wants to introduce the concepts of like, okay, you're going to have to go through life like in time this way, and then when you go back in time, you're gonna essentially have to physically travel back in time while all time travels in front of you and you see the people going backwards. So when he tells a story, I don't necessarily like. Like the thing they keep repeating in the movie is ignorance as our ammunition, which is a really kind of bizarre line, because they're like Oh, like, what are we supposed to do when get there? And they're like, well, you'll know when you get there because the whole idea is once you get there, you'll have more knowledge and then you'll be going back in the future and you'll be if that makes any sense. It's like they're going to be getting information that they don't have yet in time, but that they know, because they've interacted with themselves in the future, that they'll have that information later. Question Mark. So I think the way he's telling the movie isn't that same form of ignorance is ammunition. You don't really know what's going on, but hey, you're going to be able to enjoy this if you just keep watching. It'll make sense by the end. It did make more sense by the end, but I think it failed. As far as I was still wasn't able to enjoy it because that whole beginning part I'm like, what's happening? What is going on? He's backwards. So what you if you need a Cliffsnoe to enjoy the movie the first time you watch it, you didn't do the best job, yes, director, but I shouldn't have to watch a movie twice to enjoy it right first time, right and and again. I think that might have been what he was trying to do, because this is a common thing that Nolan does or introduces the concept and says, Hey, I want to film in that way. Yeah, I think he might have tried to say ignorance is our ammunition here. We're going to give the audience very little information and by the end will make sense. The mission will be completed, our mission of making a good movie will be completed by the end. I just think it wasn't all that great and less and less maybe it. Maybe if you do get it the first time, then then good for you and you're going to love it. Sorry, I have a giant space brain. I did tell people that I was like, it seems like a movie that, unfortunately, after I watched the second or third time, I'm probably going to really like. But I just get so angry when they don't allow me to enjoy the first time. I think it's poor movie making. So that wasn't my favorite movie, but I still love Christopher Nolan all right. So that that brings up to his latest movie. So let's talk about similar directors and directors that have similar style, like on the surface. I'll I'll tell you what I mean. And second so I would say directors that on the surface might seems similar. I would say, and don't laugh or cut me off, I need to explain it. Are Zack Snyder and Michael Bay, because both I do live thing, because both do, you know, the very kind of visually arresting thing. Snyder with kind of generally the like the bright color contrasts and the speeding up slowing down, which is so tedious after a...

...while. On Michael Bay with the infinite explosions and movies. But what the I think that's not all apart from them, is that Michael Bay, Zack Snyder stop there. There's like, well, it's visually interesting, which again there's a reason that even though the transformers movies are absolute trash, the fun made the final lots of dollars. They're fun to you know. It's no spectacle. Well, well, I think this is a really important part of movie making and there's a lot of things like it's hard to explain. So so I think CGI is already a buzzword for people that really like movies. If you really like movies and you hear the word CGI, you're constantly like a like rolling your eyes. We use too much of that. But that doesn't like CGI can be beautiful and like a really amazing way to tell stories, like it can be done to where you're not drawn out of the situation at all. Trigging obviously be over use of CGI or really bad CGI, and then we roll our eyes to that. The reason, I think, why it's a buzz word for us right now is because currently that's the thing that's getting over used. Now, when you look at Michael Bay and Zack Snyder, I think you're right, they may and and look at as a common reoccurring thing with their movies. So, Michael Bay, the first transformers movie comes out. This is a movie about transformers. Okay, this is like this is a cartoon I ever even got into. I loved that first movie. I thought it was so cool, the sounds that the transformers made, the visuals of them turning into cars and things like the enjoyment of the comedy that was introduced. It's shy La buff he's great, you know, attractive girls, fast cars. It's just a it's a really fun, great movie. Then they just moved into Asinine, just ridiculousness because because he's a Oh no, that's all I had. Shoot, they're asking for more, like I don't have anything else. So he just like more let's just throw it in their face and just more just like plug and play. Higher, okay, if the robot. Yeah, I like like just random hot girl, random funny word, random this, random that in the movie just is just so dead and bland. But that in itself isn't a bad thing. You See, Christopher Nolan uses spectacle of really exciting and intriguing digital CGI effects and really big explosions and loud noises like inception, but he also provides all the other elements that make a really good move, characters and the intrigue and yeah, and he does, you know, the interesting things. So like his movies are all conceptually different. I mean they all feel like Christopher Nolan movies, but they're all he's playing with different concepts in each movie, right, whereas Michael Bass like explosions and boobies, yeah, explosions and boobies, and sex landers like this, fast and slow, fast and slow. There as are there bobies and Michael Not boobies movies, but it's well, like hot girls. Yeah, HOW GIRLS OF CLEVELAND? Stereotypical, like he said. He's selling in and explosions. That's what he's selling. And Zack Snyder just has actual movies and like three hundred and Oh yeah, watchman, watchman, you get Bluedog to Oh man, the wayvy, the way, Vycgi, Blues Doll, did you know you needed that guy's that guy's name is Greg plit and they and he's like this workout enthusiast and it's funny. In College all me and all my buddies would do his workouts. He has really, really good workouts and heat like so we just do his workouts in the gym and then I realize, Oh, they got greg put to be to be the body double for me, Mr Fantastic. You know, he wasn't the voice. Actually he was the voice in certain scenes and when it wasn't a CGI guy, it was actually greg put, and so it was like this this like you know guy that I did all his workout sports. I'm like how that makes sense, but also that's his wiener problem. It looks pretty ceg. Yeah, hopefully that was the yeah, that's a see, it looked like a really CG weener. It didn't sway realistic anyway. That to get a move on. Yeah, I don't know if I even have a whole lot to say about directors. That I think are like Nolan? I don't really know. I think he's extremely unique. He's probably the hardest to try to pin another person to be like. Honestly, yeah, I think I think thank someone I might compare him to, not in terms of style at all, but in terms of what he does, would be wes Anderson, because what's Anderson does different concepts, but they all have that kind of same west Anderson flare to them, sure, which he was. STANDERSON's player is much more visual right, whereas I think Nolan's players is about the construction of the characters and and how they interact with the world and the concept that he's working. I think that's a good point to say. When you watch Wes Anderson Movie, you know it's Wes Anderson Right, like you watch thirty minutes of it you're like, oh, West Anderson made this movie, like I can just tell because it's like a book, like that's how he makes his movies. With similar with Nolan. I think it's funny because that's like I've never been that verse. I've never watched a movie and not known it was Chrispher Nolan. But I bet you if I didn't know and you didn't know, the director in a new moviecame at, I would I think I'd be able to talk as is. The Hans Zimmer score comes like yeah, it's on earth. No, but yeah, I will say that the West Anderson is another one of those that has a very obvious movie. I think. I think in Night Shamlan back in the day, used to be like that. Now he's kind of whack, unfortunately, and I really his early movies or some of my favorite movies ever. And so I'm such a yeah, it's such a Shamalan and apologist. Who I think? I think here's that the decision that Nolan made, the creative decision Nolan made that Shamlan...

...didn't is. Nolan didn't say, well, I'm the high concept guy. I do time travel, right, or I do this where Sean almost like I'm the guy who does the twists. Yeah, and so it's be bigger and yeah, bigger. And so Nolan was just like, Oh, that was a fun movie, let's move on to a completely different concept. Right, right. So I think he's and again, I don't think all of those movies I've hit the same levels. I think they've all been good, but they haven't all hit the Singals and sometimes you know, like Dunkirk and tennant, you didn't. He went a little over to just you just went. I think he's playing on that line. I think that's I think it's fine for him to put on the line because he's shown when he succeeds, he realised seasonally, sure hasn't. He still makes something interesting well, and I think that's the problem with a lot of directors is you get all these like knocks out out of the park, knocks out of the part, because, I mean with but Nolan, you had that where you had momento being the whole, like wow, this guy really knows what he's doing, this is a really interesting concept. And then he breaks onto the scene with like prestige, inception, interstellar and you're like wow, knocks out of the part, knocks out of the partknos out of the part, like these are these are amazing movies. And then I think he's kind of getting lost now in that world of of like Shamalan did, where he had signs, knocks out of the park, he had six sense knocks out of the park, unbreakable, wasn't it was before those actually was the first one. That was more of like his Momento and what's in that. He did the village, which I love, like up there with some of his favorites, but I know that's when he started to taper off. But eventually then he got to like lady in the water and then did like Avatar, the last airbender, and nobody's like, okay, get give me, I get out of my face, you're crazy. Did the happening. And so I think Nolan could do that. You know he could. He could just get so austin him in himself, like like like Shamalan did, where he just said, okay, this is who I am, I can I can just make anything I want. It's going to be gold. And then you're like no, this is crazy, like make a movie that makes sense. Please, don't cast yourself as a as a world changing author, which is what am a Jumbalan did lady in the water. He played a writer that changes the world, and I was like, Oh damn not, shaman, dude, Bro let's be like. Let's be like what yell, Hey, I want I'm going to play a role in my movie as a Deo producer, who's amazing. You, Greg prinds. Yes, I do. Okay, hold dear, you want your name to be Greg Prince, like, Hey, green's your gr treble or is yo good treble? And I'm the world's most amazing video producer. I mean that's kind of how it was. It was and and that's where people are like, all right, in my hum on, this is even like great of a movie. Yeah, I like lady in the water. That was still when I was on the night train of saying everything up this guy makes, I love. Yeah, but then eventually I was like, oh, he's going crazy, and I hope that's not what happens then. All on, I think even when Nolan's movies aren't that good, they're not like the bad in my shaman ones that are just like this is a bad movie in every way, as opposed to the Nolan ones are like this is hard to understand, and maybe that the second and third time I watch it I can enjoy it. I'm disappointed. I could have watched it good the first time. Yeah, it takes it down on a level in my head, but they's still like you can tell is well done. Yeah, yeah, and I think they all have a sheen of quality. You mentioned the editing intenant. Haven't seen it. I can't comment that. So maybe you know that one didn't come together and again because of the time thing. Maybe that was intentional. Sure, but all of his all of his movies, look very good. Yeah, so they are at least visually satisfactory, even if you're like, Bro what the Hell was that? Yeah, no, it's true. I don't think that he'll go off the deep end, although, speaking in riddles, I really hope he makes more, more more exhorbable movies, and it seems like he and again, I would you know, you have to look at how the casts of the movies that who worked with him sure feel, but you know, you're Stanley Kubrick's they were geniuses, but they were also insane and hard to work with because they're like take a hundred, forty seven, we're going to keep you until right and yeah, the products were amazing, but at the same time, is that ultimately worth it if you're sacrificing, you know, the lives of the people who are working for you? Right? So it seems like no one's kind of in the in the spot where he's he is striving towards excellence, but he's not abusing people, deserting I don't think he's losing his mind. Yeah, so, so, you know, look forward to look orders next one, hope, boy, but watch his career with great we'll watch your Korea with great interest. There you go, all right, so there we so hey, yeah, let us know what you thought of Nolan movies. Sorry, we spoiled them all for you. Yea. Hopefully you skip the ones you haven't seen, because they're worth seeing without US spoiling. I really do like Nathaniel's just weird that they likes movies being spoiled. So, honestly, unless it's like a major plot twist, I don't really we should watch in Sepch, I mean intertellar sometime, just for the just the sake of the music. I'm down to watch it just the sake that. Yeah, I mean like it's great. So, yeah, it's well, you know, let us know what you think of normal movies. You think he's a good director? Of Bad Director? Who you think is has similar stylings, and again, that doesn't necessarily mean like this looks like a nold movie could feel, or how the how it's directed, and you know, things like that. You can reach US doly debated at gmailcom or send us a tweet at dearly debated. And Hey, if you have the topic you want us to discuss, let us know. Center and M or. You can find me at Holy Golem. You can check out our break and eye. My Youtube Channel,...

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