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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 15 · 11 months ago

THEY BLEW IT UP

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Join the howling dirge of the nerd lords as we lament shows that were canceled before their time. Nathanael is a damn dirty ape, Ashley took the sky from me, and Jason finally gets the sitch.

Finally, really did it yo you flip Yo y lovmy land W, I C I don't care, I'm still free this God from Mea this guy from me, whtfui welcome to dearly debated the showwhere I' Ben Watching Awo sin the show whereeverything's made up in the points non't matter te show where you'reentitled to your opinion. Even if it's wrong, I'm your host Nathadiel ratings,bad Levinson. I don't know it's a little harde for this one, I'm e fainght. You can't take this guy from Levinson, I'm Jason. It didn't SelEnough Toas, Daniel and IAM Ashley, I'm on IT Thomas andtoday we're going to be kind of a follow up from our previous episode,which was about shows. We stopped watching because Theyre returnable,which Jason Did you, have any you in there for that one did. You have anyshows shows that you stopped watching because they got so bad or so stupid.You know, honestly, not one hundred percent, like I wouldsay most of the DCCWTV shows, but I still go back and watch those everyonce in a while. I I em watching them consistently. They were on our list tob.I mean a little further through Ero than actually did but yeah an theseason, one that was not accurate, it okay, it's over now what they'rerebooting it with his daughter. So are they really yeah that, but just reenerow in the canariesthank Ein? Drama CB doesn't understand how to write a show without leaning onmelodrama nope. Well, they are the CT that is their thing. Okay. Well, like Isaid in in t last, enisode was theyre like Wol work for Smallvilleandsupernatural and okay supernatural. I don't remember that much Melajomansupernatural there was like some family tension, but I didn't stop watchingthat because a Meldrom I stopped watching it because they meant to endin the season five and it just kept draining an years. latethere soonyeahthits a good show well,apparently, was because, like the fans were like well, we want to keepwatching. GENSZAN ACLS sees hot and I'm like yeah, that's fair, not wrong. TTI Haven't watched it, but I can see that prettyvective yeah, sotoday we're going to talk about rather than shows, we wish had stopped beingmade we're going to talk about, shows that were tilled before their time and if you have listened to any of ourpodcast, you can probably based on our based on what we're into you canprobably guess the one Wer we're all going to talk about, but you know,shows get canceled for a lot of different reasons. Netflix, apparently,just won't like most shows don't get more than third season, because peoplestop watching cable shows get canceled because well, cable companies arestupid, THA's why they're dying? They deserve it. But a lot of shows it'sfunny because, especially for the millennial crowd, Blaing a crew becausethey primarily started watching their shows online. They di me the shiponline. First, all of their shows were the ones that got canceled because theyweren' the ones consuming it to cable, so they didn't have the ratings thatthey needed, and so, ironically, we killed. The thing we love mich is whichis appropriate because the CABA companies doll deserveer money, butwhil we just open with that one wowe th, the big one right so firefly fireflywish got one season. It is, I think, the poster child for shows thatdeserved more. Oh, absolutely! Now what channel did that originally air on?Because I didn't watch this until well low Al Yeah? I mean I never saw it whenit was on the air. I watch it on DVD yeah fuck. The network that purposelymurdered it Yep Yeah Fox Fox- did that a lot well and Fox has never reallybeen kind to their scifi shows. As I understand it, they aired the episodesof firefly out of order. So the very first episode that was ever shown afirefly on the air was a episode to the train job. So you had no context forany of the characters. Why thereare a bunch of Ragtag misfits out on the theopen sky and so youve? It was like a weird setupand then rest of the episodes were shown out oforder as well. So you didn't have a cohesive story. I think it wasoriginally aired on Friday night, which is like the lowest TV ratings night.You know just across the board, so there were. There were so many factorsthat could have been changed and firefive may have lived a longer lifethan what it did it. Unfortunately, it did not, and it's a testament to thestrength is he strength of the show and the individual episodes that even withit being aired out of order and all...

...that stuff it built up enupg followingthat it was popular even before streaming before the tvds became readlyavailable people wanted it to come back. That's why it is stayed alive all thistime through streaming right and then n got a movie yeah, which was it was goodand then tragic, and then right so I first experienced firefly. Probably Ican't remember if I was in college or freshly graduated from College. Igraduated in two thousand and seven so somewhere in the neighborhood of liketwo thousand five to two thousand and eight. I went to my local video storein my hometown, which now no onder exist as hastings, which is, is a chain,but they still had a vast collection of movies for rent, and so I tested mybest friend back Home Stephanie who she's Stephanie Super Power is tellingyou which TV show or which books to read before they become HBO programing.Ten years later so, but she's always been on t the hot tip of Fireflis. Sheactually got to watch bas on the air, so I was like buddy. Do you w have farFUNO DVD she's like no? I Don' is like okay. Well, I really want to watch it.I'm going to go rent it at Istings, and so we spent like two or three days andwe watched the whole thing together and it was it was. I was really glad I gotto experience it with her for the first time and sheas like so when it airedand then told me the story of you, W arring the episodes out they out oforder, the SE serious finalle that we get was notthe last episode that aired on TV. I think it was like second to lastepisode was the final episode that aired, so there were just so manythings done incorrectly then I was just like that was amazing. I just you know,and then I too joined the the cult of ranting about birefly being canceled yeah. It was. It was a I'm glad thatwas my first experience with firefly was getting to watch it with her yeah.I think I first saw it in college. Se, owas like hey, you like star Trek,Rigting, I'm like yeah, like so Eo Likon ures, another space, Scifi thingfor you to watch, and it's only one season, so you know co watching youalljoy it so I watch it with my roomates a like that was really good. Why did itonly get one season and just couldn't ever figure out why it only got oneseason in a movie. I think h. The running thing for for this episode is:How can you do this? This is outrageous. It's unfair, yeah yeah basically sounds right. EAHSO. Ifyou haven't seen, firefly, don't watch it. It's one season and it's not like afull season of twenty two episode. Now, like half S, ti thirteen episodes in amovie oting? U SOS in a movie, it's a Western and space, it's very it's very so much fot the men warringas aait said. That was my recommendation. If you you enjoy theMANGOR and you'll probably enjoy fireflayer basis. Why feeing theexception? Yeah it'oit's not really hard. SCIFI has like a little bit withrivers, iver yeah, R, withwith river. It has a little bit, although if theykeep that intentionally vague, oh, they explain a lot more in serenity, ht, Cese neo, how you e Ti h, Timei've only actuallywatched, serenity movie once I think they cut that line, but you can see herlips mouth. I know Konfo before the big fight ill have o no I'm jubing, butthat would be hilarious yeah. It's very much cowboys! It's cowboys in space.It's like live action, copboy BEBOB, yeah, yeah! That's a that's a that's aact! Comparison! That's probably the closest thing you can get to it,although they're very different, totally Ayea like but like the settingis very, very similar, a D and, and what makes it great is it', a verycharacter, different show, it's all about right, the characters. This is ajust Wein prodect project, product project, whatever both both yes and onething. You Know Jos, is kind of gotten himself in hot water lately, but onething that he is very good at is managing multiple characters and reallyfleshing them all out. So they're, all Threeh, dimensional and firefly is noexception. You've got a host of really fascinating characters that are all very different and they have good chemistry together rig Iit's one of my favorite ensombl cast. You know, I think I actually watchedfirefy after I have been watching chuck. So I was like Adam Baldwin. That's likethe same characterangr like an Abo, much better Hafthouh and a much more feminine name Right,Jroo Canen, the man they call J. I think that's my favorite episode. Ithink it's at's just such a fun episode, but butI'm always like okay, and I think they do explain it right but like what thehell are, they mining mud for a nd b. Why are people doing it and notdrudging machines, which we have now feats, in the same reason that anybodydoes anything in the star wars in exactly because you know, ultimately, it's notit's generally not cheaper to have...

...human labor, because you have to pay tolike the machine would be a higher initial investment. But again if it'slike a big welming machine may is coswuld be relatively low and it's muchmore efficient dredging mud. Okay, I think they mentioned that it like makesbricks that are harder than steal, or something ridiculous like that. I donot remember say it's been. It's been a while, since I've watched hireflit allthe way through yeah the first time I watched rall. The way through wasactually, when you Lett me your DVD yeah yeah, that's o Su Agram of ShurYeah ew years ago Eah. I think one of the things that's really interestingabout firefly is you know not only just the cult following, but just differentways. One of one of my favorite things aboutfandom is this: is watching fans engaged with the text? There's a nowkind of defunct website, but it's still up as the drunken movel and Mitch. Hutts is the guy who who ran it.He's cool guy, mich and people would also submit recipes as well, butthere's at least three different firefly cocktails on that website. ThatI can remember the point of the drunken Moogle is that you are submitting or he's making up these nerdy facktailes,which is fun, but my favorite is the brown coat tea, which is a variation onlong island ice tea, but I also remember, there's some sort of gingerbeverage that I can't remember exactly, but it's called the Vira, so you getlike kind of the spiciness of the ginger and other stuff there's anotherone is called mutters milk that he made up, which I thought was reallyinteresting. That involved like whisky and Vanillaslimfast was like this is sounds bankers and Iwould try it once just to say I did the the drinking champ tink AI, the Teartending channel that I watch how Tho drink did a motersnok episode. Oh yeah,don't remember o get up by I yeah how ould you drink. It's a Greateshi, howYo drink yeah here in o glass to its so his mother's milk is siple, serv,fromnent to cow, purbon, half and half with an MINPI. That's so it's! I guessit's like it's like a flip top with heavy porter. That's okay! Okay, WE'RE GONTO make this! Will we willmake that move? Get Bac I'll have to get some credi to town, but everythingelse tha should be easeri. Have tons of urb have a firefor like game night,sometimes yeah but say Thethanuel? Have you ever played the firefly tabletok? Ihaven't. How is it? Oh, it's wonderful ye yeah say my mom got it for Ryan, myhusband for Christmas a few years ago and it's it takes up. You have to have areally big table. So, whenever we play now, we have toset it up on our coffee table and bring out a for four foot folding table toput all the other stuff on. But it's a lot of fun. It has a lot of movingparts, but it's actually pretty simple to play. But what I love about it? It'ssuch it's. Sometimes when you get a tabletop game, a has an intellectualproperty attached to it, the it's kind of just a way to make more money. Butit's actually like a really well thought out: Fun Board Game and youjust it's very immersive. You really feel like you're in the fireflightunverse. So it's definitely one of our favorites you they tried to make afirefly mmo. I did not know that. I don't think it did very well. Iremember seeing that I wan te good was that recently like fairly like withinthe last five years ow so at so I think as we go through. These shows again asoon weve watched them because we may not all watched all of them right. No,but we should say we. What was our highlight of the show like our favoritePartan then something that just stuck with us. Obviously, my favorite part isthe the moter episode at's. So God, and the part that stuck with me- and Ithink you know this- maybe for most people is, I leap on the way and I'mnot going to sport ot anything. I think that was a really powerful moment right,say somewhore about you episode. I end up thinking about a lot is the episode where e's a one off illain.He may not have been if the show agatn renewed, but it's the guy that comes onand invades the serenity and I'm trying to rememberlittle more detail about that soranybody's, the name of their shityeah, but it's they end up. It ends up just being a really suspenseful episodeand I cannot, if Omeremorer the name of it, but I think one of my favoritethings about the show was just the way the characters interactedspecifically. I think it was interesting to see like therelationship between like Mal and I've only watched the show one time so. Rivers, brother Yeah, her redy, go yeahseventeen, the doctor kind of Ave, all throughout the course of the show,always thought that was a highlight there. Rangiens right yeah. I think hishis charactrot was really easey to watch because he definitely comes on iskind of this spoiled rich boy who does who knows nothing about the ways of theuniverse and sort of adjust to life as renegame right? For me, it's hard toknail down like one episode that I really love, because I love I love it's.I love the whole thing, but I think what I take away the most from firefly.I you know as a lady who love science...

...fiction, ISS, always really nice to seelots of different kinds of women in my science fiction versus just one type ofwoman. So I really love Zoi, hes alheys,probably my favorite character, butshe's. The engineer, Zo he's TePilot; okay. First, a yeah Zemy Washburn this played by Gina TorresYeah Ye love, Zilli she's, probably my favoritefater. I really love Cayley and I think river is fascinating. I think ANARA issuper interesting to like just the whole concept of you know, she's acompanion I would Baka prostitute, but she it's her chosen profession and youknow just kind of turning that perspective on its head, because I meanmost of the time women who find themselves in that situation did notchoose that so just it just just a host of really fascinating. Ladies in thatshow- and I really enjoyed that- I really love the dynamic between Zoi andwash, which is fun. I think wash is probably my husband's favoritecharacter. He did dress up at drop, dress up like him for a Masqerade Ball.At my graduation we had a postgraduation mask messgraball for mymaster's degree, because I went o Derd College, but he got a Hawaii and shuredat Walmart we went to Goodwille, he found dinosaurs and he was very excitedto be walking that night it was fun. I was gonna, say this Shero love ofdinosaur they do share. I love em dinosaurs. Why is my computer trying to take offright now? Why is your dot thin like I'm, not otit suspects, rigers Eto talk about fireplayers like I wantto be there. You can't take this guy. For me, an episode I was thinking aboutwas objects in space where the boundy hunter shows up, and it's mostly himriver and mal. We OAU talk about firefly for a while, which is oony,because again it's only one season in a movie, but there's enough there tomerit talking about for a long time. Oh absolutely, I think I think it's thebest thing. Josweens done it's one of the best thing, Eaas wees done,although his his much o do about nothing. I love his much o o Bo sin. Istill not seen as Muchuodo about Nothino Wee Shak Spsoto me Ou do aboutnothing hintus on the Benedit and the Beatrice yeah, because they are themost important most pinnable parts of that play and thepenity would be.Interestey picked were absolutely phenomenal when they're the, becausethey have the conversation where they're, trying to trick Ben adicted tothinking that Mutris is in love with him. It's like in the downstairs, andso thretheyre they're like on the patio, and then it is out in the yard and he'slike rolling around seeking up with branches. I've only seen it once so. I'm ienfeelling this dog ber rights right, I am an ASS s, can identify great great ovithat, was really fun.Yeah Si, mostly just like that, was all shot in joswins backyard. Yeah. I thinkthat's reals, not t we just like yea Shu. Do that our house at his house, Oour house at his house. They shot in black and white and heys slowly justmunt to do out nothing. It's so funny! Yeah! It's really! It's really fun.Samon tame was in that one as well: Yeah Yeah, a Wat efire, Forte yeah itsAE, just weeting is very intertectual. He uses actors over and over again yeah,so yeah, which I appreciate. I mean what Tim Burton does that with JohnnyDet as eand theyre actors that work well together, yeah, so actolutly. Noto see it, I feel like it makes sense for a Directyo like well. I know thesetwo two actors have chemistry and will work together so oten in these wollsall right. So let's move to the next one so actually well go to o Oh Yoa, OO. I was going to say moving along on Jos Weden. One of my things was angel.You guys watch angel, never even heard of it angel was a spin off from puffy. So I have watched part of buffy. Inever made it to Angel Myironically, my mother and sister really loved angel,but they never watched buffy. Are you sure it wasn't co, I'm certain, but well, if you guys haven't seen it.I won't say too much about it, but I thought it was a lot. It was a goodspin off from buffy kind of establishd its own tone. I liked it a little bitmore and then the main thing for me is it was supposed to get another seasonand ends on a complete, cliff anger, ohit kind of it kind of works as inanting Ottheo. It kind of is like well they'll go on fighting the battle kindof forever kind of thing, but at the same time, you're like it's pretty muchliterally the world is ending and it just ends. The wodthe world did H, Andi mean well,apparently they made a bunch of comics about it. So that's way to find out a.There are also a lot of firefly comics you now that matter Tannjo, I don'tthink iever even watch puffy Owan to watch a single episode of Buffy. My best friend back home has beentrying to get me to watch buffy since it was on the air, because we've beenfriends for Thatt a was on the I don't even Remembe, seeing like trailers, I Wit pemiered in like y seven and ended...

...in literally twosand, so you yeahs likean WB. What is now the CDLBECAUSE? Don't remember I Watchd v ECAUSE, Iwuch kisswb right, but I don't remember ever puffy the vampire player Iremember seeing ads for both buffy and angel, but never being all that. Iremember small yars ago because my sister watched small though right IE,watching it like so wendo Super Mad, do supermanstuf the last thirty seconds kind of like Batman and Gottem Sheididn't finish UF. I never finished off now because I thought it got terrible.I just was watching a lot of stuff yeah. The last season was, I think, I' likedthe way they did the last season. I again the the good thing about that wasthe villains and, of course, what's his name, not Robert Picardo Guy, who playsJulia on Das Tein Wa Alan Intersan Yeah. He was Raca Gol, the Ereal Yeah Yeah.You. You said that befor I keep n Aealygdacethati could see hi doN'tiStillremember, who played Gordon, but he reminds me so much of CollidFerguson in Eurika Yeah. He does, but I don't know who it is either I don'teven I wella someone who's just now watching deepe space nine. I amabsolutely fascinated to see. Im is pretion. Okay, aswasa little J ecause. I've never seenhim in anything else and then he's just like super evil. Guy Like this, isn'tthe doctor Jilian I yet. I know, and I love I love juia yea he's Wi a him andGarick ther. Their relationship is subgegt, but we're not talking aboutthe OEYOUAIF. You want to hear US talk about thesetgo back and listen to thestar track episode, t great hot, so angel e Yeah. I don't think I have toomuch more to say about without going too far far into spoiler things, butwell I mean so here's the thing. Do we want to an that firefly, this one, sohowy seasons, O Agel, get it ended up. I think it was five seasons. The mainthing for me is just so g. It was setting up like the style kind ofchanged the last season it felt like it was setting up definitely another arc,and then it just stopped. So what's the what's? The premise basically well angel is a vampire okay.Wiz Did not get slaided by Buffy us no, no does not get Le Ampire with a soul, sohe as not totally equil. It there's a whole long explanation for that of theexplore in detail over two different atons. He ate a ginger and it canceledout sure yeah something but yeah. Some of the cast from theshow carries over characters that I actually didn't really like on theBuffy, the vampire slayer at all, and they get kind of updated a little bithave character acs in the first season and end up being some of my favoritecharacters overall in the universe in that universe. But basically it's hemoves away from the area in California, the fuffies based and Bot. He doesn'tget fi gos to Los Angeles and kind of opens up. A detective agency, thetdeals with supernatural occurrences and occasionally even does detectivework so kind of, like Dresse in files wit,the vampires that Ave yeah. Actually I haven't either Iwatched the first O ot os in CG. I was so bad ill took me out a little bit. IGes Yeah Yeah and then characters continue to crossover. It ran for alittle longer than Buffy, so so so a few more characters that were standoutkind of jumped ship onto the onto angel yeah. It was kind of an episodicmonster of the week kind of thing. With some pretty cool overashing plots andsome pretty melodramatic, overursiong clubs, because HEU said it ared onwbmcws, I feel like they must have. There must be a rule that if you write for the selike you must be in their contracts that, if you don't write melodrama, youget fired because literlly all of their shows, even where it's not appropriate, likesome of them. Okay, yeah, you know like small vill, was based around NelloTrauma, but you know the Melo drama. In again I don't remember too muchmelodamand supernatural because again the for the most part, it was just likethe most par supernaturals about two brothers and their relationship, sothey so the Melodramma is more like family drama, rather than romantic,melodrama or like. Why did Youd this? I segret for me melodrama, because theyrbrothers, sthe o secrets. Well eventually, it gets to the pointbecause it goes for, like fifteen seasons, there's only so many conflict,ter Sr after I stopped I like season naitor night after you know, bothbrothers die off, get resurrected, different ways. The Dad comes back. TheMOM comes back. The paralle universes thirs Erta, actually happenaahappen, Ohyeah, all that kind, OFI ned, I haven't finished it yet. Oh Cas I knew Deanbecame a demon and I was like so how does that playand everything and itwaswenly? We we're definitely going to have...

...the re, the Good Reverend DanielEllingbird on at some point, talke about Hollywood and pictions on havinga hell, because they're really garbage not gronded in anything, and I think one of the interestingthings about that is just looking at it as how people see those concepts, butright could be a whole great Enso, yeah, Hey yeah, yeah we've got we've got.We've got a actual ordaine pastor wine up. If I'm talk about that, so that'sgonna be fineso cool all right. So, let's, let's move on from angel allright, so I've got. I actually have a littlebit of diversity in Genre on my on my list ort beck, Wenso so ron. So when I was in high school one of my best friends andI were really into a another wb dw show which the fact that I was super into theshowis a little bit surprising to me, because it's totally not my genre, it'skind of like a like just a chick, flicky kind of drama. It was calledJack and Jill anybody heard of that. No, I would evensou really surprise if youguys did I'm I'm the oldest one on our podcast, so this is probably when y'all were stillin like middle school, and this was on the air. But the premise is: according let meresread the premise off of IMDV. This wbtd drama is named after two of thesix main characters, each with a name suggesting the other Gender JacquelineJack and David Jill Jelesky, who graduallyrealized they were in love at first sight, so the premise of Jack and Jill. You knowyou have these two characters: Playe by Amandapin is Jack. She you know she'sgone on and done some other things Ivan Surgan is Jill. He does it's most recently on the reeboot of Beverley Hills Nino,which apparently do not go anywhere. He's done some TV. He has also done alot of hallmark Christmas Movi. So if you are into the homeworkChristmas movies, you have probably seen him kind of the other person jamyJimmy Presley was er priestly. Is that how you say her name? She was one ofthe main characters and then Sarah Palson, who you know you might knowfrom glass and other films, she's kind of like the one who has the busiestmodern career at the moment. Amerian Ora, these people, yeah yeah, she'sgreat buyway. She Putin a major character on that show as well. Iremember you watching this as a air. This is this. Was it Arr one thousandnine hundred an ninety ninety two thousand and one the last episode ofseason, two ens on a cliffhanger where Jack finds out she's pregnant and shecan't tell Jill and then it ends, and then it gets canceled I wach thats the longest pregancy. Ever to my knowledge, this one is not slatedfor Rebo imthat's a whole other issue. We can discuss maybe at the end of theshow but yeah that one it just. Nobody knows it is left to Fan Vick. SoI haven't gone to research. If anybody's t finished the series it justlike soap, opr drama, he's kind of soap operay, so the creator, the show WisRandy t mayam singer. She actually wrote the screenplay forMs Dout fire, which I just learned right now, but she's written some other movies.She has written a few episodes of the mattabout. You reboot other credits on her ar seus like ainteresting writing history. Besides Jack and Joil shes read the screenplacewith the movie The toothberry M, it's with O Oog; no, No, no Ho! It's the rock therock yeah, the Yo ca get there and he was a wrestler right. She also read thescreenplay for Alvan and the chipmonks with a roady chip, the not not because she wrote that, butthat name that yeah anyway, so ithink. Yes, she went the script. I for IISDelfire, that's kind of crazy. It's pretty good yeah anyway. So I don'tknow if you are into drama and comfortable with making up your ownending go for it. I haven't watched this sinceit aired because it's not easily accessible on streaming anywhere and Idon't think it's ever gotten. Ade's anoomouss FUC. You know what I haven'tchecked whet I caucw treaming SAS actually prett yeahyeah, so thereare several things on my list that are on there just becausethey're shortlive shows they got canceled way to yeah yeah. I did. I didwatch the birds of praying TV series that came ut like early wand, so erI've actually never gone back on Wash Tha, it's pretty fun. I really ENJOYDT.Actually I remember seeing commercials for it in high school and Likeoh thatwool, so cool crossover Haros. I want to watch it and I ever PUK ite. I couldnever figure out where it was or when...

...they aired it. So I totally missed it.So I was happy to de t to go back and watch all of it. That was pretty fun anyway. So ifyou're into that sort of thing, you might be able to buy the episodesthrough. Like Om prime or itunes or somethince like that, so if you, if youare into Jack in Jill or remember that or nowhere you can watch it looks likeit's son, Holo Sini Ol is on Hoy there. You Go, which I can't watch, because mypoint Wont Wen me play who Li Weird Yeah so Jack, an Jills one, Thousan,nine hundred and Niehty Ninety two thousand and one we harly the ratings fell down little. You need a Imshot in your you're right,you're right. I gotta fix the back ane work. This onboard I've got a bunch ofstuff I want to put on there. So so my I've got a couple on here now, one ofthem I've talked about several times pushing daisies. That was on my list toyeah say that is whan. I have never watched, but well talking about it. Youknow if, if you're really into the idea of you know a guy who makes pies for aliving who can touch people and bring them back to life and solve crimes? Bydoing so? Oh all, having like this fun romantic comedy thing and an omnitiantnarrator pushing daisies might be for you, it's really fun. So it's the theproise is pretty much ecycle. What Syou said this guy is a piemaker and hefound out that if he touches a dead thing, is he found out this? It's likeHes, the one he's a kid. His dog dies and he finds out that if he touchessomething it comes back to life. But then, if you touch it again, ITCs aliveit dies forever. You can never bring it back and there's some pretty tragicstuff in the verygert gum, but it bicomes like an episodic crime of theweek. The cereal right yeah becomes a crimesereal where he know he goes akind of it's a very similar premise to ionbe, where it's like. You getinformation wof. It dipers very different ways of doing that. But youknow he touch. Dead Person Brings Back to life and tries to solve theirmurders and and they're always like Cartooni, so like one guy gets meltedonto a lighthouse search lamp and it'sliterally just like it looks like something from beeble juice is justlike this ter Ti Circle, puck of human flesh, with a face onit Iremember there was one were thirs likeit was like car testing facility, it's very sillyand it's all very bright, colors, very almost surreal, but it's really cute.It's leapace is the main guy. I don't remember. The only other person myremember is in is Treamac gride, because he a hystericalis basicallylike the hard boiled private detective that helps them except h. He Mits tocalm down. Anso, shows him knitting and he's nitting himself, Gon molsterds Ridis, amazing. The only other person I can think of isChristin Chennel with Isthand Lee pace, which I had never seen him in anythingno fore. I watched this other than guardians. The GALIXY H, he's ronning.The accuser he's a lot less hard en a Lovele, serious yeah he's also I thelyeah hes yeabut, but yeah it got canceled. Iftwo seasons- probably just didn't, get good ratings, which is a shame becauseit was a really fun show, there's no like cliffhanger ending there's just itjust there's. No more of it. FYOU finish the first two seasons, it justlegitimately leaves you wanting more yeah right, which is, is one of thesaddest ones. I can't again the only two episodes I cun think that stick outare the one one, the guy melted on the lighthouse lamp and the the one thatwas in the car factory, but- and I don't remember which episode this was,but there's that see which I idn the meet yourself episode for Ashleyt Imentioned was right because he's his his love love, his life dies and hebriags her back to life. It was like jelike right after they confess tosomething like that. It's like a extra tragic, and so they can't tever touchagain and so they're like making out through plastic rack Bot the like in ataxi, the provider, Tha Lik, putting the hand the hand thing, and it's verycute and very when you right, but it was a really fun, show Nd. Itdefinitely desurved more than two seasons. Now anything else said Jason.I think that's it. It's just like you said it was a lot of fun really for the subject matter, soundingso dark. It was incredibly lighthearted yeah with a narration. It felt, likekind of like a modern fairy. Tail kind of thing. Yeah is that Lif Fun Yeah? Ithink that's a really good way of thinking about it. It was Aus, it was.You know, very bright, primary colors everywhere, very cheerful, even thougheven people are kind of Duying, these horrible deaths and there's this reallythere's a really dark underton. But it's not like as a grim undertone ofpeople are ignoring it's just kind of it. Just it just doesn't bother anyonetet, just kind of like you know: People Are Dying. You know we deal Ebut, it was great. Definitelydefinitely recommend. Checking that out. I think that one, I'm pretty sure is onNetflix. It was on CW C for Right. Y...

...right was that I also is think so so ai want to say that was lik.A cable show because II remember hearing about it when it was on theairs and my parents at table, but I don't know what channel it was on. ABC,Oh well, lies network show, got it all right, yeah, so that so yeah, Iagain stuff like angels, Five Seasons Right. So that's a little bit of investment, butlike fireflies one season in a movie like pushing dases is to seasons. JeckiJil is two season. So a lot of these very easy they GE othe again thebornning is, if you want war, your Sol there's nothing. There Nohe pors thepower of fan fiction. Ao Three is a cool website. If you are FAO, go o FanFiction, datned, that is a duster fire banality and wow. That's fine! I anicom onet orwhatever fiction that that Ou Iremember, I'm old enough to remember when fanfiction. DNAT was where you got your fan, fick and then I don't know whathappened after thatit went mainstream all the hips just get their fan ficfrom a three I hav three. Actually, when I hatOlword for a Fanfictiun head yeah actually for fame, creating work. Sotechnically, I'm like you go at work, winning author sovery cool. What didyou re Anfiction for? What do you think I wrote Fan Fiction for Jack Ji? No, I didn'tjm and Brian from Gatleossn, see can't believe yoall did not thougthatactuallyhappened in the showwas. Was Your ending Bettero? Obviously my ending Isn' way everyone didn't die and they got moreepisodes yeah. I could talk about that one, but again we're doing anotherepisode of Finales that sucked Yeh. Let's Le See that for Thell Sayethat for that so thet technically it was also a finish too soon. Yeah Oufinishe too soon it went on one season too long is a no. I said theywere offered moreepisodes and didn't take them because they were going to go right. Star ware,I from star Fars because Ti get such a shot: TJ, okay with Ro, sorry, but Oh yeah, Jason, wasn't here or thatwe're making our own swear. Wr swuares sound song, Goin Hav to get yousapperwards. Okay! For all this wear wor s ferver sa you m may go unuse for your should bean actual swear. You know every once in a while we'reediting you art to just throw in mine, you know thinman what the Fshidon't besuch O thesh. My sensis gonna go otor that it's justgonno get layered inception, sweare all right, so we'rese Erception, so R Rosatso we're going to summarize actually fielings of gameform season Eigh. How did this happen? There? Theri Yep, Genralyeah E, so Jason, your all rightso well, since we just did pushing daisies, which is about you, know,people dying constantly and being brought back from the dead, I'm goingto go to forever, have either guy seen forever. Not that I can thini say Ididn't know what that is. So the premise it's very sherlock holmes is,and the premise is basically a guy who lives forever and he ends upbeing paired off with a defective after he's not killed, and I think it was atrain crash, he's invent helping her investigate and then they end upsolving crimes together. I'm trying to remember the name of the actor Iprepared so well for the sex. Oh, it's a! I can never actuallyremember how to say his name. What the Heck I yoing graffad okay hold on, I'm I'm Goin to bat youpronounce it Aaifyou. Remember the original, fantastic four movies youplayed, Mr Fantes, that looks like someone. puthat took Ga Ohe, quettersand Eter Meta. You know what that is: that's a fantasy name generator and theDorvan Lor elinbefud actually yeah. That's probably how I would see tas ifWereis Pononam, Mr Griffid Rouhin, efucker fuck, please, you know, send uslike a voice. Now Shou makeit like an empty fre, tipin and email it to us up.How do you pronounce your name? Yes, because unless it's fonetic and we arepronouncing a right, in which case okay, cool there's no way for us to know yeah,but it's a really cool show. It only lasted one season. I believe that'sanother one, that's airing on CW, where...

...r you thinking. Oh, I was just lookingat e, his trivia on IMDV, and it says his name is pronounced ywan Griffith!No! No! It's not! Is he well sowns that actually sounds righs gotta be wellESAs. Well, there you go because Yep Ye Cariv Wal, he was born ARTF yeah, well,Welsh names do not translate phonetically yeah so and I don't winthe balls for that. No, you could not tell how to pronouce HaBoltionan by looking at his SFELTEN English yeah, so so yo on Ras Ud, very American, O of us to Butyoureoonis is more or less ponetical Grafud de Griffith, I'm not Sicgina anywaysYabut, it's got a ROC got a really good cast. I don't know it also has one of theother main characters is Jed Hersh, which I don't know. If you guys everwatched numbers, he played the dead numbers they o I now even in. I thinkit was NAA. He was Julius, Levinson Independence, Dat, my boy so reallygood and the relationships that he has with him really cool. Just t e way that theyplay with the fact that this guy has been around basically since Victoriantimes and how he's developed observational skills almost to like ashrillock homes like level. I is really cool, and sometimes this past comesback to bim, sometimes you're, doing the constant flashback thing. Learningmore about history, as you go learning more about trying to figure out why itis. He does not know at all why it is that he cannot die but and every timehe does get into like it's really weird every time he ends up in a fatalsituation. He just wakes up. I think it's in the Hudson. He just swampd backasots like a dark sols thing and that yea is bonfire. He responds he respond.That is respons. Ye is respo point and yes, the call on his friend inconfidants Abe to come and pick him up. JUS got a skip on the Hudson likt yeah,but it's a really cool show. If you guys, like mysteries, feel like thingslike like castle. I think it's at really so much tone to TV show castle.I show that I need to watch because I love Nathan Phillin. I love Manreshor.There is an amazing moment in castle that is a firefly Rao yeah yeah with hatchannels, and that episode wasplaying and I stopped and screamed, but its likeokait was not new firefly. Iwasreaizewhat. Are you supposed to be I'm a SPAC Cobo azing Jerdan, Jun Hersh? I was like whyo I know this night. He also played winners dad on the Bit Bank theory. OhYeah. I just finally fend big bank quite done with the bigbank ter hatlike half ag, especially when I saw a really good analysis. I was like Wy.Why do I hate this show so much, and one of the reasons is because this issomething that you see in want like one of the things why I kind of look downhome. I sure mother, when I look back at it, even though I tried it whilewatching it, the formain characters are all super messagenistic in a way thatI'm like they ge away with it, because Theyre nerds and that's like whatnersdo right. So I think I think they grow yea that' SOM. For the most part. Iagain I've not finished the series I'm on the last yeason. I've got like halfhe season left, but I what I do love about the Big Bank theory is that itdid more to educate my parents about anything. I actually care about Tay beliving with them, for twenty five years did Furo, so I also just all of theirjokes wall flat. For me, Oh see, I se all Lafh, so I think humor humor issubjective. Oh yeah, there was thereis a period in my life where I've beenwalking around. You know wearing like a flash shirt, green lantern shirt. Youknow an kind of supererou shirt and people storting, like Oh you're, likethat nerd on the big tank Bhank therity thanks go yeah yeah yeah, a kind ofWeallthe Bai en youwaththemyes, sorry to derail about forever, but no whatelse os o a that was mostly it it. I cannot remember, I don't think itactually ended on cliff hanger, you just you know the show ended. Actually,I think, had a pretty good. It was pretty episodic, pretty good ending. Ijust was left really wishing that I could see more find out a little bitmore about the back story. All that kind of stuff really solid watch againonly one season commitment. I think, like a lot of shows that we talkedabout you watch like one episode of it, you'll figure out whether it'ssomething for Youen on in most of these really short ones. They don't theydon't take a Whille to get off the ground, they're just they're JS in it.So we were. We were talking about this before we started recording we, youknow we're all pretved animation fans here on your devated, all right. Welike Disney and something like somethings from Disney. Yes, yes, welike something so jusne and unfortunately, some of the things thatwe like for Disney were limited. As sixty five episodes did you find? Didyou find the reason for that? Yes, yes, so for...

...for whatever reason in the midlates,through the early twousands, Disney limited all of their shows and TVseries to sixty five episodes. So, according to the Disney Wicky, therational for this is the cutoff point of sixty five episodes may have hadmore to do with pogramming schedules than any personal feelings about aseries on the part of studio executives with sixty five episodes. One episodecan be broudcast each week day, reaching the sixty fifth episode at theend of the Thirteenh Week so five times, thirteen is sixty. Five thirteen weeksis one quarter of a year for sixty five episode shows can be a Broadcanwhoheavy broadcast in a caluner year. At the time the sixty fifth episodewile came to the publics attention. Networks were beginning to move awayfrom rigidly define schedules where a weekly show would run for thirteen ortwenty six week straight, follow by the same number of repeats. This change hasfurther been accelerated by several factors and it dus like a whole biglist but offentively. This is because of the weak day TV Erin stitl, which isstupid yeah. If you I understand like yes, it's is nice and meet and tidy inthe bathworks, but if you've got good content, you have a a solid fan basethat wants more good content. You're, not like dragging your story out waypast what you could do, then I see no reason to stop at sixty five of so.This will apparently no longer exists. Thank Jesus, but one of the victims. Victims of this show that Iwas personally very upset about was Kad, possib Bol, oh, that was goodOwatchecarmin San Diego. It feels like impossible, but educational right. Ihave I like the premise of the of the Carman Zindiago show, but no, I havenot watched it, but yeah Kim possible is says after initially ending aftersixty five episodes on February twenty seven, two thousand and five timpossible was renewed for apoin season. On November twenty nine two thousandfive making the show the last tobe subject to this rule, no other show thenetwork has been canceled due to this rule, so Kim possible was the lastthere weren few exceptions. Prior to this one, notably my favorite inamineseries Everi was Gard woyls and I got seventy eight episodes, which I thoughtwas pretty cool, but immpossible such an like. I was talking with our friendhope about this. Earlier today, walk we with with the Disney sixty five episoderule. You ended up canceling, a lot of shows that had female leads, which youknow, liziemaguire fell victim to this evin that, like the height of itspopularity, and it got a movie, that's o Ravin was an exception. It did get onuter episodes which was unusual, you're canceling. All these shows that stillhad a lot of staying power. You know timpossible being one of them and youUST. That's it. You don't get any more story because it doesn't fit with theschedule. Kids and that's like so I think, that's a stupid reason to cancelstuff but yeah I enjoyed cimpossible becauseit's a you know she's effectively like a secret agent. I love the lone theChindistry between her and Ron. I think Ronis hilarious. I Love Rufus the nakedmover at Altho. All the villains are fun as somebody who loves puns. Dufkillagans O, like my favorite as the Dubro Duroon, oinor, Seoryour, Senor, Jur andsin. Your senior senior is that who you're thinking o no I'm to the guy?Who was who was whojus like later red? He, as far as I know, he's the only Gilwho called Kim bread- and I just rememberle like- is this guy. Even avillain Ho Livei e just wants to Buil Surf and just like pick over on sayingcastle, I don't undust. Do it e doing her? Don' remember the character, youralking Boutyeah, I don't either. I started watching him possible againearlier this year when I had the flu, so I I don't think I finished the series. Isaid this. I solid show that got a few followen movies. Yeah Yeah. You gotthis o the drama movie, which was technically the first o time travel oneto a sitch in time, yep very funny,characters, ygood action, kind of spoof, spine movie, poof comics, it was therewas a definitely a lot to enjoy about impossible and I'm sorry that it didn'tget more than sixty five episodes motor Ed. I think that Syeah I found thatbecause it wasn't working until I typed in I saw I was GOINGTO Likea Kimpossible later red pimpossible villain later in Kim possible villa later readdo bro and then I com, I was motor and would literally justshow up just to be like seriously road. That's what he said:Yeah, okay, yeah nokim possible, definitely alot of fun. It did get a live action movie a few years ago, which I haven'twatched, which kind of got me reviews. But again, I'm always a big fan ofwatching my cartoons being played by real people. So I'll have to check thatone out on Disneay Al Sometime, I'm...

...assumit! I there so I have a couple ofI did- love commospel yeah. Now I would to be Har. I was I was in college whic,Cam Yeah I was, I was in, lay high school ik th s was great. I say Iam nottechnically the target temographic for this, but I don't care. There wasanother show that I'll talk about that. Didn't fall it into the sixty fiveepisode wore, but it should have at least got in the middle, but we'll talkabout that anyway. So I have a slightly embarrassing compossible story that Iguess I alas te on May speak to my mental fact agains, so the I woris this is. This is again.This is years after I watched himpossible, including the stitch intime and I'm walking back from this Onei'm man, Georgia, tecx, I'm walkingback to my house and I'm in little there's this little Pastin. My housewas right next to the Turner Broadcasting Building and so like, Iwould see the Carkin nepver stuff was all displayed all the way. I wouldblack there's this little path that went between ten treet and fourteenttree. That wound right next to the poppin garage and I'm on that path andmy brain I literally stopped and got really angry, because my brain justtold me when kimpossible says whatcsh, the sitch is sort of for Wat thesituation and it took Ben like ten years to make that connection. I was so angry. I literally stopped and likeyell out into the either like really now you get this so yeah. So that's why Loin Past Disneybuil I on Li, don't know why thisand this Cameu!I wasn't thinking about cartoons. I wasn't thinking about compossible I wasjust walking and I just my brainwas are like hey by the way and I was justdropped. My knees yeah just UST. How can you do this? This isoutrageous. It's unfair, stupid brain yeah. That's my amvarrassinggoompossible story! YEADO! You have unembarrassed compossible Scor Jason.Only the I'd never really thought about it, and so the first time he told methat story was the first time I figured it out. Really I very shocked thatHeather F. You noticed that I just just thought about it like I thought I gotincontact context, but I never thought about it. Being short for Hoas Ha wasjust kind of rcatch fase, something she said. I never t never struck me insideyeah. I just never thought about it. NTIL. My briand was like hey ha idiot Bo, my not so embarrassing. CIM possible storywas. I was eating lunch in a restaurant, and I heard somebody spovil off acrossthe room and it was Theni was like Wueris cimpossible, a figured out who,where it came from, and so after I finished my lunch, I got up a visit.I'm sorry excuse me, which one of you is compossible an thats like that's really cool anyway,so I had a little famearly moment yeah. At that point, I probably hadn'twatched impossible in ten years. 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...just HBO Right Invience, it does haveall the which to be fair, is a pretty good homework of colic books to so team titens is on hbmater account,Yo Doso, my last cartoon, and I'm sure there are other ones I could think ofit. I thought really hard about it, but this is e one. That really goes mebecause it was, I thought it was really really good and that's a Danny PhantomOhda, an so Danyfindom is not what I ever really watched, but I that wasabout to sen guys who did ferly onperents. Yes, it's Letrum, Yats,a very distinctive art style right, a a hardstyles, identical, yeah and soDanny Phantom is about Wu. Ned Say what team times is about, but you probablyfigured it out it's about Takinga, Superhero, NAT! U Beros! That's aboutit! Theany Phantom is about a kid whose parents are ghosthounters but likelegit, ghost hunders and he gets caut in a portal thing that kind of giveshim ghostly powers. There's an msong TA explain that yeah yeah themes. Longexplains it really good, so it only got two or three seasons: BECAS.It really stood out as a really solid. It was probably my favorite nickelodeoncartoon because it actually had really good character development and thecharacters made sensible decisions. I mean it was goofy, it was silly, but itdealt with some serious issues because, for you know for a lot of they'redealing with venghful ghosts and there's some believable romance betweenthe characters and it's just it's really solid nd the characters grow anddevelop like throughout the course of the yeah season. Yeah, I would say I would agree with youthetis, probably the best Nigolettinan joke, if not for Avatar the last year,but they haven't watched thet. All the same reasons can cano say some tardevelopment, all that D stuff. We talked about yes, but but it wouldn'texpect it because you know fairly od parents, I, which I love. Although it'sgone way too long, whenever COSMA had a baby, that's hon, Wyt downhillit'sstill on the air yeah. As far as I know, on on and off Lik Punchbsa yeah, I meanP. Bobis is probably going to ribe on the simsons or we, but o fairly odparents was never meant to be more than just. You know, episode t episode fun,which the movies were actually really good. Hou H, I did actually watch likeone of the live action. Ersmovies I was like well. This is not what I expectedyeah so so the movies actually did touch on themes of growing up in waysthat the show never really got to because the show was just like welgrows up. Then we got to stop showie. So it's kind of the simpsons thingwhere he's the same: mage forever, Never Never Aman right but yeah, butbut so you know look going from that fairly ot parents to Danny Phantom. Iwas not expecting to get in. You know emotionally invested in a show rightand it was really good and then they just stopped making it, which is a damnshame. They need to bring Dandy Pantom back. It was really. I don't know whatbutch hard beens done since wol the I was going to say I thinkfairlyopparents is over because Butchhartman severatize in thegalodio, so I don't think any of that so fairlyouprance is probably over and I think nick owns all the characters. So Idon't know the Danny fantoms ever going to come back so, but people havewantedinto since it was canceled. I tried to MB witch Hartman well and Igot in to vew to Bitch Haran and it came up with Mitch Harra, so not close on any Aoun, I'm not surewhat he's done since they left nickolodeon other than he tried tostart a family friendly streaming service, and I don't think it went verywell ut I mean there's only Oyoaly merlyhes ADEXES LAV as well. Oh Yeah!You know what I knew that and I forgot prett animation. Part so looks like themost recent thinghe's worked on so fairly. I parents apparently ran to tthousand and seven I don't recognize any of this. Ankandom deserve more. Itwas so good cat dog got more episode than Danny Fantom, a a was. I say Ithought I toa cat dog and iw like this is stupid thing for me, who even haslike a pretty high toporits for stupid ion. Now he was a character design onCaptain Plannin, the plantiers Yeah Nyeah well ill lump a bunch of mycartoons together. I actually we were talking about it beforehand. Basically,if you're a marvel cartoon show you're going to get canceled early, becausesomebody else is going to buy the reght to your character. Gan have to movenetwork, but not anymore Ay. You started one nowyou tol be okayi, say yeah now, you're, probably all right today, I think Ieaaget all the all the all the UNIQUISS from the out of it by Businey but yeahI'm starting with like ethosnin DD, ND, Ey, Spiderman and xmen cartoons, bothof which we're supposed to have more episodes and got canceled onclifphangers. We still still don't know where Marriy Janis Weoand, I remember,call Boct one watching them is a kid and being like so fine, Mary, Jane andthen a few years ago. It was all on...

Boul and went and watched watch it allagain. I was like tupset seeing when they did. They did Spiderman Unlimited,which also got canceled really quickly. That was like, ironically yeah and I thought the premise for that was.It was kind of a spin off whor. He was going like trying to find her in themoldi verse. Hen got stuck somewhere, but even that no, never wrapped up wats.That was the spinre crestion I watched waskeey might have been spectacular.Spidermanoi ran for two seasons, O had a weird art, style, spamn think yeah. Ithink it was owithwhere drake bell. I think W yeahyeah that that one hadlittle cheeby spider man cut away. No FRII it was, it was pretty. I was I waswatching. It was like this is cheesy, but I want to keep watching it. It'slike it's one of those that would have been really good. If I didn't know thatthey canceled spectatlar Spiermandama Yeah. No, THAT'S THAT'S UNPORTANTA! Idon't think I'V got finished, spectaculars Spiterman, but I didborrow all the DVDs from tar pots like ten years ago. Rigt. They really good,really quickly. Xpen evolutionvrinte, x, men, Tha Wen, I losed to the Moen therein high school. Yes, I remember watching that on TV, but I have nomemory of any of it's Alwoy, Jisney plus and it's the best xmen animatedseries. But aside from the nine whata, they managed to pull him like the newmutins and all kinds of really anng. Have you guys seen the youtubepreviously, the next one? Yes, I'M gonna have to show you showed it to meafter one of our original bockeit's, really good, great yeah, and then Iwill say one more wover in the xmen one season. I think nickelodeon was makingit than Disney or somebody about the characters they had to cancel it. Heravengers Earth, Mine Heros, was another really yeah yeah watching at it's. Ithink. Once again, I think it only ran two seasons, but really probably one ofthe best, like condensed Vergiono, like the Marble Universe that they've everdone. It was good iweer watching that be like. Why are there not more esonies, because Disney had to make their owentshit yeah? And then I looked atthat s like that, looks terrible and it's another thing is probably fine it',just they canselt a better show to make it can it had to be on the DisnanChannel but yeah I haven't checked out any of the new adventures, the newspider man or Athet. I feel like Thet Acshouldy, be when you buy A or buy orrecover a an IP. You should have to take responsibility for continuing whatthey starthey. If you want to run into the ground, that's fine, but thenpeople wuld be like hey. This was good and you intentionally ruined it. You'REA bad company. Now we're not going to watch your repo. No is like you gotta. You GOTTO! Keep thatgoing like hey here's, my child I's. Just like sorry, I have other child. Iwouldn prefer so your trying to o just you know, Hidein the closet forever,never come out again ti o you need to Rasei yewhere's the hagworts for canceleanimated shows any other animat shows on your list.Jaso thewill check, really quick. I was going to say: Badman beyond wassupposed to get? U ONSEASON! That would have been awesome, really goodtheydidthats. What I never watch, aeayis. Basically everything you love aboutSung is Weir everything. You love about spider man as a character. Just takethat and then make him Badman's apprentice in the future. Yeah PrettyAwesome. It's bilt for Dow yeah, it's Wel,Forokevin, Conroy old man. Batman is one of my favorite betmen. Yeah isreally really really Blo don and the things long is really weird yeah.It is it's very, very late s early to yeah it it's like Super Edgy and theshows pretty dark right, but the theme song is like beyond Eg like I will.Good thing is Batman beyond, so you have to word yeah. It's justlike there's wordes just flashing up on the screen like in between, like imagesof like a ray is like people rais like on a club and it's like ampases Taop,Shit, corruption. You like what does it have to do with, but what or the scenesyoure showing me uptoith anything you just not like the party scene, I menalepathy and competion es. They don't care, but it never lig. They corrupt intheir eddancement and I's, like Damn Kids Geto, my Lovei will say it doesend up like they do end it off pretty well, with return to the joker, theanimated movie for the Jetiwas, like wait, what episode Dimond turn to theJoker and then there's an episode and justicegoinlimited o Nepalogue, which is basically the finality that theyhadplan at which we talked about that during he, the Mi, okay cool but yeahThatase, the other cartoon on my list. I've got one more cartoon and that onedid not fall victim to the Disney. Sixty five episode O it should havegotten at minimum, sixty five episodes, and that is still more. Oh, my gosh, Iloveso much so the premice of filmore...

...snitches iactually went back and rewatch thatjust like a year or two ago, is it on Disney plus. Now I do not rememberwhere I found its it, so I actually so I'm the only person. I know that hasa functioning VCR actually know thats nuter, I know one other person, tha hasa functioning BCR and I recorded almost every single episode off the DisneyChannel, and so I've got recorded ths takes of film war that I went back andwatched a couple years ago and there was like two episodes. I couldn't titso what af the reason they just didn't air them or when they aired them. Itwasn't a time where I could record them or something came up and yeah. It wasvery frustrating. But but filmwe were such a good premise. It was basicallyhall montitor duty by way of COP DRUMG right yeah. It was a for ordanimatedglise Ron Sadral, but the safety foyeahand. So it's like all serious, anthe sirens of Bunkin music plan. You get get don La Fontaine to narrate it,which you know rip. He passed away like not long after film or finished its run,but he narrate is like no more efiso Blah Lah Blah ba blah blah blah and,and it was it was so it set. The tone like this is a serious kid show, but itwas so smart that that was because again I was in college and watchingfiwor and be like this show is awesome. is so much smarter than anythidg elselike on this Chan C. is why I, I probably didn't last fo like it was. Itwas cleverly written. There were puns there, but and in the charactersweewere super interesting. I love the character of Phill Mor he was. He waswissed by ORLANDORAM IAS on that's a Ramon Moes Andion, that's e Ravin and Ijust love his character. I really love angry therd Yongrig was like the coolgloth girl. I wanted to be in high school, but was over strong? Yes, I'always does I love Stronso Muche's one of my favorite OASI loved the premiseso much they had a really good cast. It wasn't just those to at Horatio Sands, who playd the chiefof the of the safety hi Rol may Witman, I believe, was on on there Danny TamMorelly, but it had everything it had. Humor had trama good animation and I Ijust always love a good detective story and that's that's exactly what Philworwas like the most ridiculously Venal Way Y. AH ecause, it was so much fun towatch. It was like you know: Kids Smuggling Candy, Oh yeah, somebody'slike prize toy Y, got stoleen. Oh the kid who had the world' records forkeeping your virtual pantalive. The long isn't somebody kidnapped it. So thridiculaly yeah, but I mean it was it was really good. It was really funny,like he's a very smartly ritten yeah, it's like if that recessow was actuallygood. You know what I actually really like. recessionly, that alone WelliReembe watching me like R Bete Thana wo th th, were they were differenttimeframes to es ers. A lot earlier sure because I was into the school witheprecess was on the Ar Wland. That did remind me of one other Disney show thatI feel, like I canceled way too early. I think it was on like right around thesame time, but it did you either. You guys watch the weekenders. Oh, my Goshrightthat was one I ha nrecorded pretty much every. I think I had every episodeon like burnt Dvdyeah Dude. I don't have somean more but like I took the time to do that becauseI love the show so much again, very smart writing. I'm trying to rememberhad a theme song written and performed by Wayn, Brady obut very funny. Basically, the premiseis is just score. I think middle school students or O, then every episodestarte on Friday afternoon, wrapped up by Sunday evening- and it was just likedrama comedy- mostly comedy mostly comedy, but it had some heart and it'sreally clever- writing good good cast on that too yeah. I really lar was my favorite hericterbecause Loke, oh, you never seem like tha Tom Boyish girl, that's really funYot as a Jason, Marston, Philimar, inotgreat great, allow bradawhile andCat Susia cassers was what was the other girl Ien itwas. That's because her name was strange. Leen ar last name was really Stra. Yeah sor was a much stranger Ma yeah. So oneof my one of my best friends from high...

...school. She and I to this day, willstill send each other the like plenty things, and it's it's a thing anytime. We Hadelike, like I have a parent Iam, a isrplaing different T. much hi, like one tha, was de Yeah. That wasthe essence of one of the characters: Oshes like Yewase side Charactershe,like bointy things, and that was the only thing she would say: Oside, I'macissor n. The I still remember see, like my whole family enjoyedwatching that, like my parents would come in and like watch it. There wasthis point my mom always goes back to whenever, like it gets brought up tothis joke, it was just upon they're, all walking through a field and lorslike Oh, no, I just stepped on a snail. Do I need a techno shop? I think one of my favorite was Beig,putting ball episode, wheres, like they put Kish and Tino on one team andthey're, both like athletically, challenged and offward, and you hadmore and Carter on the other team, and so they end up actually giving them SOMcompetition and they're going back and forth yeah well, YOU'RE gonna! Be tostyou'RE gonna be do test your gonnbe fetch Ospuin out of your dreads. Idon't even know to comb. You can't co, dreads. Being French toast is when you'resimultaneously toast and yout that GON FAC Right. That's cooking, joke twone! No! I love.I love the weekeners so much, but yeah tha, the one grorm with the I like posythins, do nsday. Fifteen years later, it's Tim, a joke which might be, and mybody and ironically enough, her collegeroommate, H, Wi'm, also te friens with as well their first year livingtogether, my friendly a labeled hermymate melodies box, one of hermoxes and things not to bring back to school, and it was all her swords- andI was like Oh so- melody likes plenty things and she's like yeah. Now, if you show up college and yourroommate automatically just goes, I like pointy things leads o I labut yeah.It was all like about like a box fulof sword and daggers fix Li men. UTechnically we'RE NOT ALLOWED ON CAMPUS! You know what I have to take that back,because one of my best friends in college just was basically the same waywith ninjestars yeah. There were all these little nicks in his door like theone entrance to his room, where he would throw them. Sometimes I would think about that. AsI was knockinglike, I awas made sure ot not right right, not safe to open thedoor without mat. Yeah weekenders was a Grat yeah. Thatwas hopefully it's UNDISAPPINYEAH. It's not right now, or at least it wasn'tthe lest time I check, but you can request it. If you are a weakener panor if you're, a Thi, morphit or a Pepperan Fan, you can go to Disney plus,and you can actually request shows to bepull out the GISI Parkeve andhopefully they wont L. I haveequesto also I'm going to rattle too off,because one I have very little to say about, because I don remember a wholelot other than enjoying it and being like. Why are there only two seasons ofthis and that's a show called reeper, and this show was about a kid whobecomes a grim reber? Okay, I don't remember again. I need to actuallyactually want to go ver. You WATCHG, because I didn'to remember reallyenjoying it, but basically this gid, just worts at home, Depo and somethinghappens where he's supposed to die and he accidentally kills the groom, reperor something like some of the dustracon happens and he kills e O reeper. Sothen he atagain Plun thesnacor. It's the Sameally ntwant t o this job. So you have to doit now or something like that. So someow AE hose to being reaped and hegets pushed into the role of Gri rever, and so it's him navigating whobasically gets like a letter. essentally that says you need to go,kill this person or you need to go collect this person's Sol said theSanta Claus. MEEDS death not got it kind of, and so but but there's you know, there's one episode worke. He becausehe knows where this supposed to be and when they're going to die. So he likegoes and saves this person's life and then allthese horrible things starthappening because that person wisl supposed to die. There are actually alot of interesting erifications with butterfly effects and chaos, theory andand death, and you know whay- is it appropriate to die? And you know? Oh, this looks like asweet old lad. Onow she was a serial murderer and she had to GIV me read:teguesthe was Goin ta go pistlne mid. I don't think that that exact oneprobably didn't happen again. I remember the being two seasons and Iremember the wishing there was more of...

...it, but I cannot remember singleepisode distinctly is this is amii es? No, this is a Liokay sditas calledreeper and it was pretty lighthearted. Okay, Tar, the subject Eteriasomteial,but I, the other one, is a show called better off Ted, which I no he es way Ican describe. It is live action Dilbert, so it is about this Guy Ted who worksat this suspicious large corporation and the first. The pilot episode opensup and Theyre they have these pumpkins that they were trying to they trying tolike grow pumpkins better, but the whatever the miture they usil makemokins explode and so like okay, can we weapon that weponize this and sell thisto the Middle East, of course? So so it's pet trying to navigate raisinghe's a single father, SOS Hem, trying to Rase his daughter and trying todecide. You know tnot make moral decisions in a company. That's you knowbasically like we're going to make the most money possible portion to Rossi ishis boss and she's fantastic. Then there's two scientist guys that, likethe trnd one of them, I swear is Fargo in Ourika, but I could be wrong aboutthat. Your Reka was also pancible Ar God reas I' amazing, so yeah Yourigawas how wouldwe describe it Sifi any gee yeah that knows it so yo EG was a fantasticshow that also had you know funny comedy and Heart I feel like. I still had a pretty goodending yeah. I haven' t it was one where I was like. I could have watchedone. It's really soft Scifi. It's like a good gateway in Yei yeah, Ni Graston.Is The actor ply fo? What was what was the name of the show gain better offTed, okay, ut. It's just really fun. It's only twoseasons, it's really fun very, very silly, and so and in Tet, like narratesthings as they happen and and his daughter's always giving him moraladvice like sit basically hi. His daughter will, like se him his daughterwho's like eight we'll seek him down: Belike, okay, Dad and he'll. You knowbelike well. Here's I'm going through it work, she's likekay he's what Tou do so,it's really fun! It's really. It's really endering very silly. PortoDorossi is fantasic and then there's the the other, the other, the other,the main fiel my character. Osr Then portio dorose's, like tes co worker,who is like a lowkey anarchist, so she's, trying to like shake things up:Ot the company and so she's stialing creamer ias like Iati at all, the creamer nowthey're going to have to replace it PAS. So one of those big moods Goin to comedown A. I have any creer for their copy. She so she's Hilarious, so Ye Grestonis on Pydran in better of Tam Yeah. I didn't think he was at reminds me ofhim, O Watchin, okay, very similar appiccation and look, but I'm reallybad at judging looks, or I'm told in o bat TI. I can't tell because to me theyI'm, like those characters, look the same and the different one. They don'tanyways. Apparently I'm bad with human faces. I do the same thing all the time andEcauseandes like what are you en talking about? That is a completelydifferent person. I'm like you, sat cruce Willis and ethings like no.That's just bald white man yeah better off ten river. Both both Iwatched around the same time and was like there should have been more ofthis okay, I reeper was not one that IV ever heard. I Havn't either was it cano blow just like Sontin things on thet flisis like try watching this, so I hit,I was like hey thisis, actually, really good. You actually click on the thingsthey tell you to try to watch occasionally wew Ly Bordan CAL E ll have to Akeookat that you look likeyou get a lot more O my Gota. I got two two of mine. I can get through reallyreally quick rig. Hes, both short live superhero shows thatjust get prom iere on the wrong networkbut W, not the CW. So I think both e on them into the Ote Baswould have lasted on the CW. But on as Meldrum you may remember- or you maynot remember- either these I think they came out around the same time. One ofthem was called the Cape. Yes, I comui. I never got to watch the KA,but IEE ie, oh yeah, that sounds cool. It was. It was really. It was reallyinteresting. It was kind of like its own original thing, but basically Ithink it was. The premise was, a police officer gets framed and he's the wholething is he adopts the identity of his son's favorite superhero to try andreunite with his kid like clear his name. So you can go back home. I guess,and the really sad thing about it is they wrapped they docked off. I thinkit's supposed to be thirteen episodes. They docked it down to ten and thenthey left it off on a cliffhanger that was completely unnecessary O it's likeit feels like it's going to wrap up and then they're like yeah, but we mightget another season so, but basically like flips around likethe bad guy wins completely and then it just ends. Oso Community have had a gag about thecake, as Obin is all about TV and yeah.

It's like Jeff is sitting in theCAPETERIA eating and obit comes up wearing lite the kake costume and flips.The Cape over just like pulls all the food out of the table and startsrunning away and Jeffe, just like the show last three weeks and Hav Wun gelsback six seasons in a movie and that becomes their kind of running MONTEICseasons on te movie and then, and they still need that movie. Yeah igetsiseasons, not that thoses Er al great yeah, the other one. Similar premisewas no ordinary family, never heard the best way that I can describe that downto one of the acting choices is either a serialized, fantastic forshop, whereit's basically a family, I think their plane crashes or something happens andthey get they all get superhumin abilities kind of like a Rola cat. Soyou got like the Dad who is played by Michael Schichlas. Basically becomesthe thing, but without having to look like the thing. HEAS super strength. I think the MOM runs super fast. Thekid becomes a super genius and I think the girl can do like invisibility orsomething just so. I kind of like so mazinl Basi iaction, incredible yeah,ht e FAC. Just once I would like the super powers. I can head it down, donot go to the person who like well, of course, Michael thickles is goin Ta, bebig, Strong Mili. He becomes the big brinning nerd ine, and then the littlegirl becomes a big super strong one, because I be important wel the waysthere may have been an episode where they switch powers. You know, becauseyou have to have ththose to o sure sure but yeah it was pretty interesting. Ithink that one actually went for, like twenty plus episode that just didn'tget picked back up and again left it up on a cliff hanger, where I think abunch of other people ended up getting abilities or something but really solid.I really enjoyed watching it at the time because it was basically I'dalways wanted to see a really good version of the fantastic cor and I hinkthis is as close as I've gotten so farthat's well yeah. So I I was inclchickles. Why do I know that it oh yeah? He actually was he well. He actuallywas Bin Grim and then yeah et was ba a was the thing e well and then thedaughter is Cape Hanbaker, who no sa Disneyy did Disney Chal Lan chrisas onfill the future, which is another show I really loved and I'm pretty sure gotlimited to sixty flive episodes, and then that was Cabat K, Pana Baker thatwas on there. Yes, and you would know if you watch the flash you knowDanielle, pannabigger or so e. it's also start Ou Disney and rigst. NowSuperhero Right, who is sou she's your least favorite character on fleshGotcho. I was actually onn TA, guess that yeah its T, because I remember Ilove Parte until thaters and again that wasn't like a bad character that was abad character decision on the brigters apartment Yep. It wasn't like she actedat poorly. It was the Writers Bay, bad decision that was stupid in ti me sense.I'm not going O that Yeah W we've done that on a few episode, I'm not goininginto that, but I would certainly like to I'm just I'm just looking through thethe cast list on IMDV and just looking at guest cos. Yes stars, you got someother Disney people in here. You that take don of it. Who is the boys of Cerriculesoh Yeheler?Isn't an episode, no she's she's number six, so I'm Bansargalacta, okay, yeahyeah, papra, RA, Capefil, no thatas or La Yeah. They call her Capritaton, butno Nember sics right, but I don't remember her ever being called Capiga.I might behe think was a TV show called Capperyeah ye aabut. I actuallyhave not wached it. Ihaven't watche that have either say that's. Our glacgo was another one thatI think kind of got killed by the rider strike, but I still like the endingreally. I forget. I though th was atrocious. WE'RE NOT GN! It's one hit's a series that I need toleave. Is it now that I've watched all of it? YEAFOR get tree book yeah andagain I thought it was gu o util. He very very, very very- I thought it wasgood unto the Evelon. I thought the apploid was stupid and and unnecessary.I think they should just not have that up a lot, but Jishe holver was yes to what does give it. Her is CapicaYoure Right Haalso, like five other names in Thi, SPEC, yeah, yeahidistinctly. Remember somebody calling her CAPRICA. Okay. Maybe she was acapricorn all right, Yo we got wer. We were Ri anhour, forty minutes EO. Let's try to now all right. Well, I've only got onemore O my list and that ISO put your last to ago. I say that is startreckenterprise yeah. What that yeah, my dad's, been watching through it andI've been keeping episodes. Yeah I've been watching that again on the heroesand icons channel where they do all star. Trackn thell Playon one episodefrom original serious enterprisand, so I giv one a night six nighs a week,that's prety fun! Now, Jason, you said you just got to de Space. Nine just goup to deep sors NIHT E can not speak tea. Bro! Okay, so I ha ways to go.Ouyou've got a Lieh, so ' I'm not going to spoil enterprise for you because yeah, but the general consensusof the fan base is wtfthat. Last episode, I don't rememberhow it ended. Okay wwe'll talk later...

...and you can limit with me, but the withenterprise. I think one of the challenges that you that you run intowith that was that it was originally aired on UPN, which is the UnitedParamount Network that no longer exists. UPN did not last very long, its alsothe channel that voyager comiered on as Wenl all the other of the Reyboot Startreck series from like the late s to the early eies thats, everything fromnext Gen through Interthrough voyger. They all ended up having seven seasonsfrom what I have read ratings were not that different for enterprise. I meanit wasn't as popular as jucs nine voyager, but it was, I think it youknow: Rin Nto, the Probet, it's a preolso, it's not in that samecontinuiuch, Universis Thimis, not a piter and honestly. I think one of thereasons that I was looking down on, which I think I', probably my tastes,Hof, changed or mature. I should say, because I wanted more technology and they gave ussignificantly west Pi Right. I kind of want O, especially after the finalevoyager was like. We t all this cool stuff from the future, and I was likeOh, I want to see what that's like, and then they really pulled back on itright. Well, you know in Aprisin course is a hundred years before rigionalseries right. So it's this is a very first enterprise yeah, it's likethey're distcovering war, right, not work factor ten or eleven Rin transwor,contois war right and you know even being able to use the transporter- is a big doer. I Ithat's like a thing like transporten technology has technically beenperfected, but a lot of people are o te mean that's like block points likecharacters, aure skeptical inviews of the transporte there ust you know goingback and watching it again, I'm just like man. There are so much like wastedcharacter. Stuff in there I mean trip. Is My favorite unlove trip positiveportrayable southern person still kind of irritated that connotroners fromWagton abut it's fin? It's fine! I love. I love the character trip and I totallyship him into Paul like so much and there's so much there d and justnothing, nothing happend, they didn't doanything with it, and so it just there ware so many missopportunities for thatand, unfortunately, I really think it fill victim to PM going under yeah. My my friend earlgree Iyoryo yegirl, green, my friend Earl Green. He runs thelogbookcom he's also. He actually works as a producer for allthe broadbarry podcast. You know a lot of really high level. Nerds yeah,Lthoritar, Tharty, wise, O El, has been a star. Teck fan his entire life and hestarted his website the Longbookcom, because when next gin originally aired,he would write everything down this wis, the starting. This is the endame of theepisode and this way happened and that's what, if thin? This is howwickies ave started right and actually that's. Basically, his his website is ait's a science back in science fiction. Historical Arcipe is really cool, butearl actually used to work in the television production and worked at aPAN network during this time when things were going with like voyager andenterprise, so listen to earls podcast. He Doe some really interesting storiesabout how things were going on on the back end with the network. So that'sworth a worth checking out on earls podcast. I think he talks about that onthe don't give this take to earl podcast. So anyway start theckinourprose. Wehardly Neve only agot four seasons. You got a hundred episodes which is prettygood, but it's still it was. There was so so much more story to tell and Ihate how they ended it. Eery when I was watching it, everybody kept telling medon't match the less episode. Actually don't watch tha HOS episode, becausethen s apart, that it ends the series really well. But then you have thelessen on Yor like Wa swearing enterprise- and you know discovery setbefore technically during, like the same time frame is original seriesright- it's Ke, ten years before, but tey yeah, but they did they the waythey handled that. I thought again. If you want to argue about how well didthey caphur the essence of Startrin, but I like the way they handled it. Thein the past I thoughthey've been anged. I really Mi, I discovered. I LoveDiscovery October. Fifteen yes, mendaoriaai'm covering both F thesshows for fingerlish, so I'm Gong to be a very busy lady ao, the Ti riht. So mylast one I same creators that are off Ted andthat's Santa Clarita Diet. I've heard many good things about Aburg in theNextlok show it is about two reelters, whereas they might say releters in inSana Clarida. Oh my Gosh I' getting there a Joll, and I can't remember it's...

...it's Verry Mor and Timfe Allfon right.I can't remember jobav careers name, cant, take it, but it doesn't matter.The point is she she turns into his Ombi and it's about them and navigatinghow to raise a child and Sheila Ame, Ishila and shela human flesh and he'sone of the funniest most well written comedies I have ever watshed I mean Iam as actually would say he haw laughing through the Hoe. As I nowitthe thing it is so so so so so so funny it is very swary and a littlegory, because Zomb Dosno B on, but he s, solutely hystericl Timothy Allfun, justhis portrayal of a man, who's struggling so hard to keep it togetheris phenomenal and you know drew drew Berry. More is just kind of you know,I'm trying really hard, but the same time. I kind of have to do this and and tothe ALLCO Sta. just like I know, but so literally one of the episodes names. Wecan't kill people shela, then the next episodes name is. We can kill peopleShia, it's so funny and so like they kill someone and they're bering thebody in the desert and tio. The Olive Os just swearing, a ton and and drewbary was like N, really swary today so yeah. I know this. It's it's adorable, their daughters,hilarious and one of my favorite characters is the next door neighbortheir son, who obviously has a crush on on the on Joshele Daugter, is the theTa Classic Neri Character, but they do it really well, and so they go to himbecause they're like what's happening and he's like flooking through hisConbo hes. Like no pulse, you know this yourazom right and Kno: okay, you'reRezami, Youve, Geen, a crate, you an flesh, hes. What you got to do that?Let it? U and his character is hilarious because he will get theselast minute witticisms these bars just like mumbles them so that nobody hearsit, thought you and so you're laughing at e was just like Doyo Dus like Y,like domy boy, is awesome and I haie recommended it only had three seasons.I A netflix show right and absolutely. If you watched the en of the thirdseason, there was something major that happened, that I was really excited tosee how it was going to play out and I never got to see how it played out andit's ridiculous and silly and goofy and but but the writing is just brilliantand so Timothy Allipond is like Inan argument with his daughter and he'slike if the right brothersn't had you for a daughter, be now want to com hetdisgies, it's in's, so good, a terrible thing to say. I love you very much. What the hell wasthat Ma so so funny and I highly recommended it is on Netflix. I can'trecommend it it up and I really wish there was Moreth. I do remember. I have one more show,hat I'll, let Jason Dothis thing well, I was in. I don't know if the soul, Ithink, you'll have something to say on this one. I can really only speak toone of them because I haven't gotten that far into it, but technically it'sfive different shows, but it's just marvel. Netflix iately, IM, wer defenders, tsrw. Ithought you would have a l, yes, I hadn't, I haven't gotten to finish them,but it always urks me when I mean thingslike enterprise, where there are circumstances that have more to do withlike the Studioor who has the rights or finances, and things like that than itdoes to do with the content of the show yeah, because I will say fromeverything I've seen, which is mostly just daredevil and Jessica Jones. TheCAS ting is Excellentla Om. The writing is really good. They got the charactersdown really well. I like really enjoyed the first seasonf cage, a lovalthough.I Don' ATS Qthe the first season, PEAC, not at the right, no, and I think ForiThine Lit's Fin. It's not terrible, but it is a very comic booky thing to do.Right, like what happens is ver cone thing. I really could have SPLIPP thefirst season into to yeah and I do feel like I should the yeah yeah there'sbasically like there's basically two or parts and one resolves I almost at theend and then the other one's like two ens, a long IAM fished, fer seasons,kind of boring. I still liked it. I didn't think I did not think it was asbad as everyone said it wasbut. I do think it was kind of boring. I juststilt want the Callonmo show, but anyway Jason we're talking about noryour stuff, so you yeah. So basically I was just going to say you knowabsolutely love terdevil really enjoyed what I saw of the Jessica Jones. Ididn't. Actually I started a couple. Episodes in the second season. Havn'tfinished that's about where I'm at, but I really love the characters oflukecage. I enjoy some of the JESSCA Jon stuff from the comics daredevil.Absolutely perfect. Fir Season really...

...enjoyed the second season, but I know alot of it because of it being left off. The Dare Devil is supposed to get another season. Luke Cage we're supposed to get another season. I know that oneends on a cliffhanger, or at least in a as in Wer, O ins, on a pretty wildfinger that need to be resolved in poolnever, O yeah, my culture soperfect, but he does some really good stuff, and it's just it's sad that thatuniverse isn't going to get get to continue, even though technically itwas supposed to be in the mcu but they're kind of just brushing it to thesoand. They didn't get a chance to own it. Like apparently agents f yold as that'hfh yeah totit was really what'sreally tragic. Is Defenders almost sets up? The OCASIAN iron fists hear USForga for higher right, but we ner Ginto, get tha man, Dsny Cime es Ma, beon hers for Hie. Do It bue one that heros prier right, but my my last one was stargateuniverse, W. So, okay, so you got to have toremind meand there's like six stares yeah. Well, this actually ru, that'sthe main sg one is the main one is the longest running one tats fun out intoAtlantis right and then Atlantis and and s sone kind of spun out in theuniverse. Okay and Universe is kind of like you could tell Itwas made laterlike they started it later, just because the tone shifts it gets alittle bit. Edgier tattal STARCALACTICAD happened at that point,so they're kind of like well. What, if WHA that'll start electicaaectiil was aremate. Yes, but it's very different. I have complution is tendencies Iwouldn't watch the original O I wouldn't watch. The starbuck was I toyen. Star startet is a werd black man. Stargat is very dangerous thing to getinto a completionist tendencies, because you have to an seventeen seasons of television andseveral movies yeah. I've talked about I've seen the first episode of StarGatson because I was watching it at were, and it was like it's the seemwhere the Todos, like sacrificing women and they're like stripping before thesacrifice them but wasn't it was you know they like strip off streem andthen he stabb them right and then this one one comes up and I'm like. Okay,now the Camis going to cut away I's, just like bn so because the RTHAT's howit was andt's almos likeOwas, like thos, old, Ou, terrible tree movies, where it like Gos, bon liketowards you, and I was like Yao and apparentlyt, because the veiry firstepisodes make like show time, yeah, and so the very first episode has onone ofthe rest of it does, and my roommate did not remember that, and I was likedude. Why do you have to watch the shot? Whore s like? What are you talking? Bom,like Doo Hsyeah Egot? That version on this pretty much like pretty much. The same thing happened tome: It's like Nisuri S, Yeaso, I'm Sittinga,I'm not. I wasn't at work, but my wife and I just started dating at thetimethe messoes ever and she just lends me all the devites or she was about to,and I saw it on streaming or so I don't remember exactly how it happened, butI'm sitting there and I'm watching the first episode just like in the livingroom at my house, like with my mom walking around s like trout, t's just the one scene, foliketen sex and then nothing M Teo. With the exception of that thirty seconds.It's a very family fora AIT's almost like watching airplane andat someoassengers are Eakino and literally a Naga Ere. Just goin pinlike and just autat like what just ha is' this movie PG Yeah and you can withmy family and that Ao looks at me I' like. I don't remember that at EA, my brain Yo race tex. So it's sucha nonsyle at it', so quick it', so ojs like hey mo Fu, like it Ifyou Blik, you will miss ityea, so blik right that the winto but SD UNIVERSEA START OT universe. It was a really different tone. So it'struggling ratings and everything just because they did try and go a littlebit edgier with it when it's been so family friendly and all that kind ofstuff which is still was for the most part it just. It was made later by thetime you get through the second season, you're really attached to all thecharacters and then again it ends just like on a cliff hanger Noso. So explainto me because I' Gan, I only watche the first episode of Stargate. What's kindof the premise: Is there like jumping...

...from these starties to different worldsor e? Much like the first show? Basically, it's pretty much entirely onearth, but it's a team that goes through the star gates, they're tryingout different addresses their forming alliances and things, and basically, asyou go through it, it's a really kind of fun. Take on mythology where itstarts with Egyptian mythology and the aliens were kind of responsible forthat Ght, but eventually gets al. The worse mythology, and when like thereare points where like nor in that show, this is isn't much of a spoiler, butthey go out in there in search of thor to help them defeat, and thor isliterally like the Little Gray Halan that Yo see like in ever classics,Anergi, Alien G. So the theas guardians are those little righttnk. That's alsoS, and so you get to meet thor. You get meat lowky, but they go through in that.I believe that one for ten seasons, the RISI yeah and it spens off intoAtlantis, which is more they're kind of stranded for a little bit, they'restrangted, just on a space station in another gallax like a team and a couplecharacters crossover and they kind of that's more of like we're stuck outhere, we're trying to help he people in this area there's an antagonist racethat they're having to fight it goes on for about five seasons and thenuniverse, basically they're trying a new project.There's this Gat address that they've never been able to get to before it asan extra symbol or something like that. They figure out how to go through to itand they end up on this ancient ship. That's preprogrammed for like aspecific purpose and that the cast of that one just gets stuck there. Sothey're on this ship, they're trying to figure out how to survive every once ina while. They come an arrange of a planet. They can use the stargate to go,try and do something, but it's kind of unlocking mor the mysteries of the ship.The Hut there are a couple there's like a brilliant kind of n nefarious geniusWHO's trying to do things on his own love. The CARACTER's name is DrNicholas Rush, she's really cool, but at the basically at the end of it, there's a crisis and the way that theyresolve it really just as like. Yeah we're, definitely goitting e anotherseason, and then they don't yeah. So this so what you've described soundskind of like stargate me, startour voyager young neat survivor little bit:Okay, Gad votingoeabut. They also get into some really cool like time travel stuff in that one, I thinkevery every version of startd hasome really good time right. That's kind oMorina backarin right, I believe so. Yeah she's in our on fireflid again Hershe's been on like a few shows thathave ended too soon. The other one I mis hes first, would be the the reboot of V from about twelveyears ago, I, like two thousand and eight, I think Li Yo for Vabetto NananAv v was a one thousand nine hundred and eighty four mini series- ohyeh,okay, I knowhatta. So so there was t there were so many series there was.There was a sequel, Mani series that came like a year or two later afterthat, and then that was so popular. They made like a short live TV seriesthat lasted for a season, and so all of that got rebooted in the late two andsand only elly ran for Tuesdays, and I actually just like, maybe a year or twoago watched all of it. It was. It was actually pretty good as like. Just anice really pleasant network Scifi show yeah had some dark stuff, but she waslike the main visitor, INNET and e. You know visit you for visitor Gosh, butshe was sheas really interesting in that. In that show she put it. Sheplayed the character, but anyway Beh I was Moyou. Did you see the Prequel IVyeah? It's a Roman newmo Gan. We got a good gut. I have a roomshot in that sound board. My friend we got him on Toyeah Star at you say, Start Get universe if you love Stargate, if you liked, I feellike if you like, Bhat I'll start colect because might be a good thing toget into. Basically, if you like, Star Trekfirefly that kind of stuff startgets a really good universe to jump into, ifou never been there yeah. All I know all I know Targeton in the firstepisode is the the gift of the guy with the Tattoo on his boardhead. That'sTilk, yeah Ye, Yo, pilk drinking a pot of coffee be gus like isn't that hotextremely I haven't made it that Farinto sute one,I'm trying to remember the actor same. Who did teal he's been in a bunch ofstuff forjug? Yes, Chrisopher Jon. She, a Sai eoewhe, was the master ofcommunicating everything Yo Neede to through just an eyebrow rimy husband,wast made the joke, his favorite carracter and SG. One was tolkseyebrows, Yo, a Tera, toarlest maker and ere isthe teel time row yeah. No S. One is a series that we have started. It's lenwith my its probably my husband's...

...favorite science diction is his stargay,and I because he wants to watch it with me. It takes us four hundred years towatch it, whereas if I were watching it, I would have finished it three yearsago. I think so far you ow I'm only partwayinto star truck. I think sturdy. It's my favorite yeah yeah. I know I knowTisoner says it's her paper to so all right. We need to wrap up. You got wellMoren. All right. I do have one more. You are talking about, Netflix showsand how neftles likes to kill, shows prematurely one day killed this year was. I am notokay with this Wai. It was that your response, or isthat the actual Namei yeah that was the actual name of the show, feel like it'sboot. It yeah yeah both ways, but I am not opay with thisis based on a grap novel. It's it's stared, Sophia Lillis, which, if youhave seen the new it she plays beverly in that and she's amazing, and alsoalso from it. WHIAT olefhe plays Stanley in it. He also plays acharafter name Stanley, and I am no okay, with this theres, a short series,only seven episodes, it ends on the cliffhanger and I'm just like well,thank God. There's Comoffoks, because io what appens but Sophia Lilis is absolutelyincredible and everything I've ever seen her in even like stuff. That is alittle cheesy like I actually, because I love her so much and my mentorsdaughter loves her. So much like I took her to go, see the mantd movie that shewas ine a or earlier this year or was it was in this last year. It doesn'tmatter anyway. I went to. We went to go, see it together, just because she wasin it and it was still pretty funny, even though the movie was cheesy butYeah Sofia, Willis, she' she's got chops and I'm very sorry, oncop yeahand acting chops. I don't know I've never had a pleasureof meeting her, but anyway it's a great kind of dark edgy coming of age, Scifistory there is it ins on the cliff hanger You'r? Is She basically shefinds out? She has super powers, but there's no explanation for how she gotthem, so you kind of get little hints and clues about it. Her sshe kind ofloses, control and something very bad happens and kind of a brol academy. I wouldn't, even en, like I feel, likeumbrella academy, has a lot more like domore oit than this does. This is thisis more like coming of age, meets scanners? Oky? Are you guys familiarwith the movies Sgan? That's one of the DOS hed exclotes. Yes, it's a Dava,Crordinburg film, Davi Kerniber King of Bodyhoror, a scanders. The mayberson Ifound out about SGAINERS was because straighter things borrows from scanners.Er a lot thereare, actually some shots in the first season. That was on hope,that's WOM stanners. So anyway, this this kind of draws a little bit fromthat as well. So it's pretty Daryeah, it's definitely dark a more like bla yeah. I haven'tactually watched Black Mirror butyeah. You know a lot of people tell me it'skind of like the the numer darker twilight zone andI guess, but all the premacies are just so ridiculous. I can't think itseriously and I's being like all serious about them and like okay, thisepisode needed to be twent vinutes long, not an hour right, especially thatfirst Enso I mean yeah. Everybody tells me you W. don't I flak mier skip thefirst episode, so apparently, I'm not okay with this was like just canceledlike to days ago, O Nineteen Yeah. I was about to say. Ithink this is lively, covid related, but it's still, it's Netflix has apretty bad track. Rehord of canceling shows prematurely another one that mymy coworkers at Fam er, illitally Owo. Then canceling was spinning out oneseason, just air o last year and actually had like a really thoroughportrayal of someone coping with mental illness and anxiey depression, andthings like that so anyway to me, even if Itis Covid Toi, it alsokind of felt like that. As well D, I mean it's tough, because so many thingsare going to get the acts this year to jok has a Pi. Well, we consider it a ahopefully please late for the future. Yeah Yeah, so oelse Gan be reallyinteresting to see how entertainment ens up changing because of this right.Nd and I've been really interested to see things like that. The person wreckreunion special, where everything was filmed in everybody's houses, Tud didother of you guys ever watch monk Myi see like a handful at there. There is afive minuteenan episode of monk for the pandemic and it is the best reunionthing I've seen them do so far. A ORRI monk is fantastic. Are you familiarwith? He premise? Yes, I am familiar with the premise I did catch a handfulof episodes, onon the bunny years of Teto Yeh, SAR G. I mean he's just aphenominal actor, but yeah he's e is genius in all right. We need to wrap up becausewe've gone over two hours now. Oh, my Gwe have not been canceled to early.We've got almost as long as...

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