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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 14 · 1 year ago

Episode 12 - I HAVE FURY

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We get real angry in this one. We're talking about shows that got so bad we up and quit. Greg is a smoke monster, Ashley hid money in the banana stand, and Nathanael lemonades.

When he was crash, he's the boy thatgirl aboy too, yes, they have a girl drummer a song iscalled. I am so sad, IAM, so very, very sad, theres ittle, something like this. Alright, this Nxon Goe, the guy H,keeps yeiling from the balcony cawe hate you please die sweet Loveo Hso, welcome too dearly debated theshow where you're titled to Your Opinion, even if it's wrong, I'm Netaniel, so aasorr Tusti H, I'mNataniel Levinson with me R Gregg Yeah. I don't worry about thelast Nang okay and I am Ashlley. There are way toomany cw shows Thomas Amen Sister. So so I did not have time to prepare myusual stick so m. no, this weekon history, maybe noRMENTIODID. You guys get my name by the way. The whole like didn't, make it tothe last name Gotaos to shrouded. I got it because I I'm aim hyprogaplanuse your food powers, yesbut so yea. So I I thought I would talk about my tripto Saint Louis or I discovered something wonderful Ohboy, so sin Lois is in Missouri Ande Missouri. I'd have been test. St Is a few times,I guess if she prefaced this for those listeners, don't know our gheographicallocation, we're in Charlotte North Carolina, so wanway Sharo NorthCarolina. You have to buy your liquor in a liquor store and an ABC governmentowned Uncle Sam Literstore in South Carolina in Tennessee and Georgia. Youcan go to liquor stores like your trm and Doodles,or your package stores, and things like that in Missouri, you go to the grocerystore nice and the grocery store has lifther, and this means is when we wentto Traer Joes. There was traitor Jo's brand whiskin, really I have heard,tells of the trader Jobes an like the SAMs club brand whisky, which isapparently cast off of other more prominent whisky nogers. I can't speakto its origans. The Lod can tell you is that I got four bottles as it was undereighty dollars. Oh Wow, so we picked up the Organic Gin shld. I have upstairspetty good these single mlt, scotch trader, Joes brancing Al S, Cotch tohave not openxo, give you to a friend the Trador joes winter weeded Burbonand he traitor joes Tennessee whiskey. I gave the Tennsy Waski in the WEDBurbon to my brother who lives in Um Rome, Georgia, but of course we triedthem both really good the Tennessee whisky, shockingly good re, actuallyfor something with t e plastic top that cost fifteen bucks, and so I I am aTennessee in fold disclosure and I don't like Tennessee whisky as well asI like other whiskey, because they use too much corn typically, and so it haslike kind of Burnie after taste that I don't care for. I think t, maybebecause so Tennessee whisky is filtered over charcoal. That's what makes it ten.One of the thing that makes I tency was great, so and plus Jack. ANDELS is likenot Jackys as one of the Hiskeis, where I wour drinking be like this should beworth this doc. They Shou turned me twenty dollars s well rign, instead ofForitt yeah Y H. So I'm a little I'm antijack danniels now, because I thinkit's a bad product because I think you're overcharged for s crime royalconroyl was like a cheep whisky and they weren't selling much, and so theyliterally just like tripled their price t Ey started selling gamg busters,because people don't understand how liquor works. T win finish is the wayto go. Manbet they're, sprinking Laon, sixteen ONU. I know my walletdoes not like it, but I love it Mil. Sixteen hits that perfect mixtureof the the smokinesslke that perfect livel smoke. I love the FROIG, which islike Kindof like drinking a Taofire. I on love it, but it's intense a I I'vehad to lody dram of laford before and I I enjoyed that as well, because I, likethe smokebut today we're going to talk about something. That's Um this thisone is probably the most subject to opinion. There's nothing objective ofthis not really y! Ah, and what we're talktoday about is quitting...

...you're, Quitt ID hallquited and we quitso s Hav in the right direction. Justconsidering like life to I'm not going to sit in front of myTV anymore, well O bt, but it's reall be realistic.I'm not going to watch this show we watch rise SIE, so we're not hetting upfrom the couch ter, just turning the champ they were talking about.Television shows that we stopped watching and never finished.Specifically, television shows that we stop watching because somethinghappened in the show or the show took a direction or you know whatever thatmade us stop ligting the show- and this has different degrees, and I've talkedabout right on the Batman episode. I talked about why I stopped watching theflash on CW, which I'll all reiterate in in a little bit, but this this, Ifeel like, is the most objective thing we talkd about, because what might havekilled the show for someone someone else might have just struggled through.Even if you agree you might have stopped kept watching it, and so youknow, depending on how long we go, we can also branch into stuff like I hatedit, but I just struggled through to the end or don't want to talk about whileit was graght up until the Finalee, I think that's its zone episode will savesure, and he said this. His TV show specidally, not movies. We can talkabout movie series as well, but my focuse Premaennsur shows s for mostmovie series are somuch shorter, that if you're like well, there were threemovies. I watched the first two and I hated the second one, but let's see ifthe third one redeems it, whereas the show is like well, I watch four seasonsand I hate it now, so I don't want to watch another four seasons, so we'llstack with T V for now, but I you know, depending on how how time goes, how wecan branch out so so I'll just get it started ince I start and I rote my SuanList, I e forget and I'm going to start with the CW shows c. So there werethree CW shows that I watched three defnition and thre. CW shows that Iquit and all for subtely different reasons, flash super girl and HE ARROWA sharker super girl. 'cause. That's that's! Probably the easiest one toexplain. I I stopped watching super girl, because super girl is just areally born character. The e show really didn't do a whole lotto make her interesting and the actress who played her no idea who don't knowany of the names of any of these people on the shows, but she did do a terriblejob, but they had anelike the right Li. He like her adversity was so nonadverse.I was like your super girl and what what I wat maybe sait about the showwas all the other characters were really interesting to. They had a blackJimmy Olson, who becomes guardian. That was really cool. They had a Martian manhunter. They had CIBORK Superman, they had miss marshian. I think Red Tornadoshowed up, so they had like a lot of justice leag stuff going on like secondteer justice like stuff, so I was really really really into that. But Idon't know it just I just I couldn't I just didn't: Have the bulpower to goand keep watching the show, because it was focus on a character that just bskied of Miltost, and also it had probably the worst coming out episodeor Serieus of episodes. I've ever seen on television, where super girls sistergoes to like this whole struggle of coming out and she's like Oh, I do. Ihave these feelings and she gets literally zero backlash likethere'sthere's no conflict. The conflic is completely made up by her 'causeliterally everyone. She encountereds is like Wol good for you and she she a deral struggle, ow puble,my mother thinking I was like Yapi with his is like what was the conflict herer.You spent so much time telling me that that she's telling me thies conflictand all the other characters are telling her. No there's no conflicthere. Like me. Don' This doesn't none of the this decision of yours does notbother us. I think it's entirely possible that if you are anticipatingthere will be conflict. You have already like thought through like Oh.This is going to be awful and like you've, built it up so much in yourhead and then when there's not Confli, but I mean to be I've only watched thepilot for seve girl, but but didn't didn't know. It happened an at least tat far as I sawt it didn't seem like a she was. She like. She was having anissue like a narrative dissinance in her head of what she was expecting ors.What she encountered it was. She was acting as though there was resistancewhen in reality there was there wast on. So it was like they were acting in twodifferent coming out stories, whereas I thought Brooklyn, Ni, nine had a reallygood coming out story with Um with the Presen Ros, where you had both aspectsof it, and so there was struggle because there was resistance stuck fromher friends who were fully accepting of her. But from you know her tny Tra Ho as apparentwass that wasSohe Sel Hhe epon in everything that he ady Trao's, just like a pymthes and hehes, like apart O fod, he's the perfect guy to play Rosa's Dad to whos es he'slike, like the Hollywood, like I'm going to be your tough guy in thebackground of Eversinc V, you've ever watched ever, he actually has a rolelike if he plays Ha Bakguy that bega has to die. Oh interesting, Xus LifeBwell. Apparently he he spents some time in jail and h. It was like amiserable experience for him, and so when he was acting when he placsBackguy, either Hou'd have to diet or...

...like go to jail or something anm. Gonhave to be basically be punished thoroughly at the an is like. I don'twant kiss to see me on T V and think that this is okay rig and, of course hewas inspied kids and he was ow on he hadn' noet Ta a Jectede text, those mere bad. I I SIA machetionmy Bos. I don't knowwhere IIS so Ashetti was like a trailer in agrindhouse movie and then they made an actual machette movie withan Tram, andit was not great. It was funny, but it was not great. So that's why I stoppedwatching super girl. Flash I've already talked about Whiye. I stop watching it.I think Patlin Turning Evil Wach just didn't make any sense, and so as soonas they threw out what they had establishedes. As far as how powersuperpowers work I was like, then none of it matters. ECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T MA.If people aren't making choices about how they use their superpowers, thenit's not interesting 'cause. It was like Oh get a supepower yeturn evil.Are you actually evil? If, if you know you're a robot that someone programmedlike they, you know you progam Aroba, to kill someone is the Robo Evil? No'cause, they had no choice, so you know good and evil require choice. So ifyour powers turn in evil, that's not interesting as like. Oh I' got thesepowers to. I use them for good to use them for bad yeah. So I got reallyannoyed with that and and just fell off for me and then Arrow Ero. The firsttwo seasons were so good rea. Really I thought the first? U, because Aros onmy lest too and IIL whet a up okay. When did you stop watching Youro? Ithink I finished the PL the first season. If you get to the second seasonS, I hear of lot of people orsay what you say, whether like the first twoseasons were Gooyeah but Y, you gottahead, noe, hopy, Illi, okay, youstopped watching it earlier the night in s. You say why you stoppe watchingall right, so I started watching Aro because one I collect ACCOUNTT booksince I was six both Mardel and DC. I, like both, I tend to favor marvel, butI had so many friends that really loved Arrow one of my best friends. It's likeher one of her hugest fandoms she's. She writes about it, loves ERRO, so itwas like okay. Well, if Julie Loves Arrow so much I should I should. Ishould giveit t given try Avi meaning to watch it anyway. Just it's been onthe West, you haven't gotten to it, get I I think I' finished the first season.I can't remember if I watched the last episode or not, but it was so so Oberatthat I I was just like I' just really not feeling it and I think all ofher queen is aninteresting character and I really really love felicity smoke and I knowshe's kind of depending on which, if you're you're reading a comic orwatching the show, you've got two different felicity smokes. But I lovelove, love the felicity smoke in in the T v Sho. I think she's awesome as a awkward nearty girl. I I found hervery entertaining and relatable, but I it was just so Soperoperat and tha whatI know: 'cause Im snapportof her fan girlish all the DC sshows get a lot ofcoverage on fangerenwish because we were all com. U of people the way thethe series ended and the way CW structured, these crossovers to wherebasically they're driving the whole show towards the crossover anddisregarding character, development and other things like that. The wayeverybody talked about it, how dissatisfying it was from a storyperspective that it just completely turned me off to finishing Arro orwatching any of the other CW dccw shows that ID intended to watsh like Flasher,super girl and black lightining, and all that other stuff, though I've heardreally good things about likeliton and I don't think it crosses 'T. I don'tremember. I watched a couple of episodes of black lindening, butbecause it wasn't, I didn't have like an AP to watch it. I just didn't end upfinishing it. I I enjoyed the couple of SOS watched, I think like if I do goand watch any of them I'll, probably watch lettens up tomorrow, just becausethey go do retro things, and I like sle teleges of tomorrow, while notcompletely, does distance itself from the soap opera, an right and honestlyThatsso. That's a theme that kind of runs through all the CW shows in islike well, small vill, work, yeah and IA me a and honestly, that's the the oxas kind of itwas e kind of an underlying factor which I wastoleratingright, but then therere. You know when they when they started makingstupid writing decisions. I was like okay, now, your amstes yeah, you haveno place here. Yes, Syeah II was just so dissatisfied as like as like. Thisis really soap operathough like well, it doesn't get N, it gets even more aslike. No, I cant do it, I'm sorry. I don't think I'm ever going to go backand revisit that one. Unfortunately, I agree yeah, so I would recommend Iwould I would, I would say Watsh arow season too, because in the first seasonI think his aust is a little justified. A just got off an island. Yen D was NT.Isho then be. Did you actually see the end of the first season? CAS E TI TITis a super important thing that happens...

...like in the last episode okaythat. Idon't want to spoil, but I super a super driving factor in howalherchanges over the the course of the next season and the the t the second seasondeath stroke is the main villain right. I was kind of Intestein that, justbecause I loked Tam Tigtan Ja, Aa Yeah Soon I was like he was like Im slatd. Iwas like Oh yyeahislave yeah. The second season was reall, good and n. Soso one of the problems I had was you know in the first season he says afteryou know, I spent five years on the island thir season. They change what he says.He says I spent five years in help 'cause in the third season. He leavesthe island address to like Shanghai and so so case. O One of the problems is-and this is just lazy writing and if W, if you talk about Chapcha Kinda, didthis where, although I didt now in a way that wasn't obnoxious, it was justkind of like a be ridiculous towards the end. Where you know the villains inthe first E in the first season are actually a subsection of the bones inthe second season were actually a supset of the villins in the thirdseason, and you know Lik ev every season, it's the bad guy who wasactually controlling things and Iasbak an I as actually potrol. So it's almostlike if, if ounovader INEPISODE, F five was like the emperor, then Epso, six,the emperor was like the superemperor and then episode hat. It was like theUltra Emperor and an episode I was like it was actually Jarr, so yeah. I does that it does that in in a way that annoys me,because I should probably close Mi, you know I went and checked my Netlix. While youwere doing that, I actually I I got to episode twenty in season one I did noteven iners, you need to finish. Thesen ONTELASCO episodes are pretty darn good,I would say yeah there am stuff that happens thatagain I it was. It was shocking thought it was fairly shocking moments.Although there is a very shopping moment inseason, one that gets comic bookd really hard in later season, anbodythat part for Fr the the layman. Listening. Can You EFIND comic book?Yes, they made a choice about a character and then they just erased itand gave basically no explanation for it. They did and the explanation was ED. anmost Woil, itbt, Oka Watch einthe season one and I watch season two ouand then w when you find that you'lknow exactly what I'm talking about when they D basically Handwa waythey're like well, we wanted him to come back, so you know we wanted this chariger tomake this decision, even if it doesn't make sense with anything else thatthey've done before SOS could be like. Oh you know. I hate that hotdog thismorning, ins, my brain's notworking, so I make this decision and then literallylike has no enfect on the rest of the show or than I need this terre to maketism. It's US bad writing, which kind of plages does cw shows along, but so season too happens and then ofcourse it it a. It was a Billi of a lot of things, but the main thing was inlike every single season. Oliver is like directly connected to what'shappening, based on what happened to him five years ago, which is of coursea bit silly. It gets really s the first two years of make cense 'cause. It'slike dealing with stuff directly from one who was on the island and thensapisof three, a o three season: Three. They like moved him off the island toShanhai, so he interacts with this plot device. That's inceasant, thre and Ike.So he wasn't on the island all five years like it makes no sense and thenwhat repeatedly happened was Oliver would have some information and wouldwithhold that information and that would get other people hertin going. Ididn't toll you because I wanted to protect you as Li. Did that work thelast five times. You've done it and no one. No one says Oka, that's stupid!Don't do that! Woot whatl happened last time. No one says that they justlikeWal. You know, I can't believe you don't trust me, but no one says:Haven't you done this before? Are you just like? Maybe we need to Lik Change,how we operates. No one takes a step back and thinks hm. You know nottelling everyone what's going on, didn't work and really didn't work andmaybe got people killed and you know maybe led to all these disasters, maybeinstead of that a se tried but never like okay, Gus Yore last time how youknow I knew Xindz and I didn't tell you and that Le All these problems. Wellnow I know Ab and C I'm going to tell you so we don't into these bubls laterand you're, not going to like these things, I' Gin to tell you anyways,because you're adults ivy, you could process your emotions and we do workthrough this. But no one reacts Lieen adult to information. That's that's!You know potentially negative jus like Ar. If you Wen to it this Hoi, I can'tlove you anymore. I'm sorry, I said said: I threw a Tin Canon in thegarbage. No, he didn't recycle Arit, it's like T it. It's it's. He SoapOperato. It overtook the good parts of the show, and so I quit air. So all th,CW hearer shows except letsons of tomorrow, which distance itself enoughwith the dufiness wil. He did have some...

...of that at distanced itself enough withthe goofiness that I was able to keep watching ledgens of tomorrow s yeah, soGreg you've been you've been silent. Why you GE to in yes sorry I haven'twatched these shows so I'm kind of like finding ways to jelison myself an work,any opportunities, so apes all sounds interesting in e to go and watch thoseshows and then give up on them like he juaso. I have a little bit of news aboutmyself, I'm not much of a quitter when it comes to Te Shipisso. Can you thinkof any that you run in the bad one? I can't think of a couple. Let's start there y o case, we'll juststart there um and wi'll start with some of the samekind of in the same vein, but on the other side, I'm Goin to star with someof the Marble neflex shows. So I I was one of those that got into daredeviland then obviously found it very interesting that they were adding.These other shows that were eventually going to crossover was very excitedabout that. So I started watching all of them. I watch I exorbed T V A lotdifferently. The movies movies a'm very critical, and I really think it needsto in itself be like this really well maken cise story. T V just needs tomelt my brain, and I need to do it well and and if you're doing a good job withthat Idon't care like what the heck is going on. So I found old of them to befairly Corny, like I mean they're, devl, te least, which Um the punisherleast e Bush definitely hadhad to just like swallow. My thro Yo now a little bit for a Luke Cage andIron Fish and Jessica Jesica Jones, but I was getting through all of thesejused to make it o the te venders, which I liked and Nowo people nt, andthen it was. I was season too objessing a Jones that I just scur like likescreeched to a halt, and then I just had to break down, and I just watchedlike a U to pay summarize the rest of this 'cause. I can't watch anymore, but-and I mean so of the reasons a happened for me for that season. I mean I meanJusto Itnecesaria Great Carriag, to build P A story around really because Ihave a completely different opinion. YSE, I'm shocked, hold onstop everybodyStop Cranina Trakin Dragon, Ashlly Ha opposite opinions. This is Cwe, neverdone a whole Pi cast etficit Tegso I mean Jessica. Jonesis is an interestingcharacter. I mean she just kind of rugged for sure and and they use it one.I aspect F AVE T v making which gets really annoying and a lot of T v showswhich is miscommunication, which is just it's e Iti. It's like hey like w.Why did you punch my friend in the face and it's like I'll tellyou later andthey walk off and it's like literally, if you just told them the whole entireshow woultd pan itself a so many onae and show an like Credicateo it's hardto hate on this. Just because most T v shows lot of movies. Do that, in myopinion, that's pretty lazy just to be like and then we'll make this be. Thewhole backbone of the whole story lost is like the worst defender of thisemper, like, u ever seen a show like literally starting from square one andending at the end you're like not once was anybody honest with each other everand Thass. The only reason that was ever conflict whole mov htire shows forus, but PROJISCA Jelans. You had a lot of this, and the second season was alsolike. It was just like. Let's just giveeverybody m a lot of drugs andthat'sat's going to make him anysuper, because she's such a an obscure kind of odd character that l e theywere at Elgin, Oerso, they soati her mom yeah was Tom, supervillin yeah, butthe stuff it was. It was tough Oneday to get through. It was weird becausethe first season was interesting, not only because she was actually doingsome like private detective stuff, but because of her relationship withthepurpleman yeah o Grave Kilgrad, Tha Yehad kill till bonger o EO in e Jaro,so so that that's what made it really interesting. You know dynatic etretiimnher S, but I found that she just became yeeven more disinteresting character. Once you removed that aspect and it waslike they tried to build toat with heir mom right. I guess the new buillind andBN to Bil more connect ion with her mom that kind f and that fell flat on itsFAC. In my opinion, a that that the relationship between her and her motherwas, I don't know- is Gos Prenso and I understand it was like supposed to bebecause the drugs are rigt but thembut t to me it was. It was totallyscicipatic rather than like Carre Duroghly tofrending, and I think seasontoo, I don't think O was terrible. I think it was perfectly watchable. Ijust don't think it Haptheaan H, no, no seson one. Like I from what I had heardabout Jusca Jones. I was expecting her to be my least favorit of the defenders.wetefister she's. Actually, my most favorite, I didn't hate iron. It S.Iron Fist was like I intest a second iron fish he's like it, a dealn iself alittle bit. It did, but the first one was aggerone was so boring. It was likeyou want to watch some iron fisting. No, you get to watch. I want room meting.Well, you know he's basically mystical...

Badan, so he wasn't doing any and e. Soatlestit's, not aother thing is like all of the iron fi stuff he did waslike Fisglob like there was actually any good fiting, except for the callingWiy I n she was R yeah. No, I I was wit my friend Julie, my friend, who Los Aroabout ironthis. After I watched it, and I was like you know, it was a littlebit slow, but I ended up liking it in the end, but I would much rather bewatching the calling wings rather than Iofish, so there was like a A. I don't know how much of this isactually acter, because again it was like internent stuff, but apparentlythey were going to hire an he's American actor to play Iron Fists enthey went with Don snow. No, that's Fin ohoen Jeseslin Terese. He plays a verydifferenteother white guy fo, which tguys from Gi Fen, the other one, theblond Pansoro, and so they Um. And so you know some people ere, like hey, youknow: you're you're, puting, your white, washing n, so you're like no ironfist,is white. He's quite uncoma. I A and I was like okay. You know. I don't reallycare what he was in the comics and I was like whatever they cast o the cast.I don't care, but then apparently, when he fites the guy, who does the drunkenfist, that's they were going to cast as iron fist and AFTR that seels like theyshould have cast in lins. Oh really, I didn't know that. Okay, h again, that'swhat I understand. I may have misread the things the random stuff I saw onthe Internet. I understanding the guide was the drunken fistmaster that hefought that one time was slated to the iron ere rumored tothe eromen, that's sick, W that second soi O er himwas Aveshsecond, see. There's Agod oushahe has t power of the dragon itSgist so hoset on the lardize. So the secondseason is actually like pretty good, like they develop a good villain,actually who he has a lot of pdeth with and there's actually an interestingdiamic going on between the two of Hem, the anegeboard romedaams interestingside, characters, t hat that develop in certain ways. The problem I have withJessica Jones is that they' they had some some interesting likeabold sidecharacters. I think in the first one MAYB, not my favorites, but like atleast they were doing their job and the second one they were just like. Let'sgive them all superpowers and Itwas like like that. Such a cogh out, likelike they're, doing a great job at being like like she has her friendwho's like who's like the radio chick, an like letteryea Trish ewas, like thepop celebrity SA, was probably the best character, butthbut hen, the secondseason and she's just like want to be Super Tooyh. I E yeah that was litle,and then she has like her little friend down like t hallway, who was myfavorite character? Who was just like? You know, recovering addict and againit's like I like Wen. When shows do a good job at taking characters like hehad he had no superpowers, he wasn't even a. He wasn't like a good pa eitherlike h like he was, he was just. He was just a good friend, but that's his alyroyas. If he played a good friend and that he he had his head screwed onstraighter than any of the people in the show you had like the celevtyfriend who's freaking out and like constantly on and off drugs. And thenyou have, you know obviously YOAJUSTC Jones, who is a reckless character andhas a lot of problems and ye have him who's kind of the centred one. That'sICEIS and I'm kind of broken here and I'm working on it. You? U should workon that stuff too, and I what a great use, tof the character and the secondone they'r like Magin, superhours, at's, aet's haven like Ke injest. Like theyou know, everyone thatier a Aso Igi no, and he also becomes like a better.You know private investigator, if I remember correctly Ben, like he's doingStuf, that Jespie Jones isn't doing, and I'm like allright like you're kindof just like you're beeping up these characters and ways- and I felt likeyou did such a good job in this first season and it was like it just seems, kindo silly and like theMo. Also, superpower evertyis just punching their holes through walls, andI ca so one of the things I loved about defenders, which I thought it was fine.I didn't know what I said: Fnh didn't understand the haring Critical v Erowatcher his love. The bow defenders was to me. It really threw in retrospectthe fact that Lutecage and Jessica Jones are just really strong. I they'reactually not fight yeah, just really they're usgran strong. So these kind ofyou know furthe bodies of people just like swing unsteppable, fores anef, theblock exactly and iron fish wel. He is a good fighter. He 's he's almost moreof like someone who has trained stylistic fighting rather to some Owhos train for like street fighting in their devils, just like and analmostlike an assassin right trained fighter, and so when they're fighting he's theone with arguly the few superpowers and he's outclassing all it them right.Well, another thing that I thought the defenders did well and was exciting wasthat they did exactly what you would expect of the fans to do with each ofthe characters. They're, like alright ironfish or a dork everybody's, goingto treat you like a door, the whole entire to yeah. Okay, dare devil you're,not going to tell you at anything for no reason, ECAUSE TAT's of what yourcharacter does for no reason: you'll trust anybody and everything ou getfrustrated at you. Ull Time Check Ande...

...we have Jesica Jones who is like thisis black, I'm out of here and I' onto Superheo, and then you're left withloote cage and IRONIS cannot being boys they'r liken to be there. They werebeing boys in the comics e suppose, toaces Ta and I all worked Owt to where was I waslike, like men, this is kind o how I pictured them coming together, likeantress is a doork like like Mat. MURDOC, doesn't trust anybody and hewants to be on his own, like Cessica Jones he's just thrawn her hands upwalking away like, and then you have really really corny you Lok Cave Ho'slike what's two thise guys marry Christmas or whatever I just love whenthey go to the Chinese. Restaurants he's like the signs are on. What areyou talking about? I can hear the neon and t en it was like. I see talkingabout Antethini know, but but y they don't understand they're. Just like ohhe's blind, but he can fight. I think thdn Anoherstane was blind until he waslike he like PTE puts cezin aceos. I SAR op it Scarpongee, like you, lookridiculous, yes Oun Se II e on I, so I think I think, all of them, the JessicaJones, Luke Cage and Um Daire Devil. Their first seasons were really goodand then they went downhill and iron fisth tefir season s like man, and thenI e Ohill. I I enjo defenders, you see they are double season. Three. In myopinions of St Season, I a Ivs othe show any of those shows even defender.I thought the re devil was the most consistent, but I think the first easnwas the best. Have you seen the third, I think so couse? I say I think so Ihave the DOUL CHECK SA. I Don' Kn, I think the third is is is just like isthe best rounded series of any of them. His first one is obviously great thevillain who teking pen is st the third season of their alost aster defendersRight Third Seson of there devil. 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Tat's e in e Ponwell. There are ne reasonswhy that, yes, you might have been a good book.Brien IAYL, but you're not belong. You don't have the Blueessizoer that gameotons is an honorable mentioned, but you you said we're going to do oneswhere we're that every tipe e, no ewersaing everythingwas Greatn till the end Y, which I feel like the ones where the undy reallyperts are the ones where it was really good right up. Utilan, you, like, Idin't, stick the land right right, all right. So back on topic, one of theshows on my list. I know Nathaniel is one of your favorites. Oh andt again.This is this is one where I'm not opposed to going back, ind revisitingand watching again Gei. I don't hate it. Just I it's not. It did not ensnare me in the way that Iintipa wo that Showis Community Ohokay, that's fine yeah, the first we seasonsare are really good and then it just goes downill. How far did you watch? Ithink we got somewhere in to season too a OWHR, an Ye Commuian toll us o youwalkaain? Okay, it's definitely a very distinct humor line. LMEA also had avery distinct Meson. Why Tha like so? In my opinion, the first Soi Weshoulaawi- I I a I thought I was going to tell you-get out a fin O dor tat surpris, because I kind of felt like hit was oneof your s. One of your pace, but um is million abot. You go an a I'll talko Howfield again, so so I think the humor is really fun. I think theindividual actors are really funny, but I don't connect with any of thecharacters in the way that I connect with the characters on the office or onArkinreck, especially cokonreck or Brooklyn dinine Um. I think what makes those comedies nearly good is that well, yes, thehumor is great, but the characters are very relatable, and I- and I can't Idon't see myself really relating to any the characters in any fashion, reallyat all M, I, like y w all the nirdy stuff that Tro Il Ando M. I what is aevent: Nickel, Broun character, sirely Ture shirly, I like shirly, I thinksureligly, fun, Allisonbrese, character's, really fun but ag. I thinkthe CARATERS Urfun, but I I just I- don't- get the appeal that some people havefor and and I think the mayors I want to go to visit it and give it anothershot. It's because one when I was initially watching, I was watching Onhoand I do not have booge so I had like all interructed by all the commercial.This is one that again whand IARE watching it together, which means I wewatch it like five hundred times lower than I would like to watch it. So Ikind of lost interest. MHM NOW T S, it's all on Netla, except for the oneeiode they got fold because Um and young and bla ih y pon right- and Iknow he was supposed to be like a draw from dind and but hes actually wolker.So hehes like I'm a dark, eal and then surely says we just go now,Thi say rime, rigtright and and yeah. So I I kind of get why they did that.Oh yeah, it wasn't like a community decision to do that. That was a yeah tawas a Oyea EPLAC's decision which, if you pike, if you don't pull that peoplelike why didn't you pull this bife is ap so long that s like no, they hadright ight so anyway, I'm willing to give it another shot, but I'm just. Iwas surprised that you know I'm I'm Tooma, possibly three seasons in andI've still like, because I'm not connecting with the character. Thehumor is not saking with me, I anticiate so so I guess I and I I just recently Washd, so I didactually stop watching community after the middle season fore en then wentback. You finished it, so I I chest rewashed all of it, and I think thething is is, and this is why Ko have to perjure from a different mindset,because it is not you're not intended to get to for emotional tachens to thecharacters. Honestly, it is almost like. It isalmost like a a like a I'm, giving dahe way much reder. Here. It's almost likeone of those old philosophical dialogues where you have tocharacterstalking n you're, not supposed to necessarily care about the charactersthemselves, but you're focusing on you know, th when Wester I Wan Bing, saidso Y. I would like it at more to watching a comedian like comedy actwhere you know you're, focusing on the jokes and yes, the personalities playinto that, but but, unlike a Comli Person Rek where they, I hear thesecharacters and they develop and grow the community characters, while they dodo that, they they do that, mainly for the sake of of of keeping the groupcohesive in th, two set up les th the Character Sof the comedy and not theother way around. So I think, if you...

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You know lowbrow, white dogs, like he's like the Obin of Racis, I have not seen that Fara, so there'syeah, so I don't think you're intended to get attach these characters.They'they're they're intended to be. You know more or less one no characters to makethese this commentary, and these jokes and play with the tropes all sitcoms, Ifeel like od, be doing a Lotway and like even even Jeff, is supposed tokind of like represent like, like the reason why I enjoyed it. So much isbecause you do you have all of those characters in college. Like you, haveyou one hundred percent Hav like the girl who would have gone to like someamazing college s like a genius who, like by some circumstance, is likestuff in some community college aue she like oded on, like whatever drug shedid, and then you have like the athlete who, like couldn't go to this onecollege that he would have gone to y on, but instead Yo Kno he's going as anyice or grasperis alot. No, not me xose a lot of guys. I like that Qoine UNQOTand Yoa, like the your older guys that are like yeah. I wanted to go back andgo to college, and then you have like your jef wingers, where like. Why am Ihere, like I'm too cool for this, but in reality, is also like. Has All thesecharacter flaws and th? You have l Ke your ahebeds and your people like that,and it's supposed to just Kindo, be like? Oh, I'm experiencing call Yean'cause. These are all these characters that that 'm, essentially like you're,saying like you're, observing them y you're, just kind of going throughcollege and en they add in all of these, just like like e, they have like thepillow for Ato, just just GE, really really it's just like nithen. They havelike the peopl episodes. They have the entire D Ande Episoda like in myopinion, it was such a genius show until the clear and obvious like likethey change riders, they lost two or three of the main characters, and itwas just essentially, it was like they had the show sucks like it was. It waslike well, I batrely even love thougs Heson for, but so not great us like onegood episode e and no that culd evisode had some really really funny things init. But O season for was so kind of disliked that in season five they'relike wow guys that ghastly glast year was Craz. Okay, I have heard about thatand see, and that's the thing like I keep hearing about. Oh you, never youdidn't get to the Blah Blah Blah apisode or whatever, and it's like. Oh.That purpose actually sounds really funny, but it has been for me. It wassuch a slog y to dug it through, like, I think, that's why I've I've neverfinished it so yeah. I yeah. I think you need to change your mindset from it.I think that's why a lot of people did enjoy it 'cause they were expecting asick condess. Wanting you to get invested in characters very ninlike.The community is not asking you it Leks, ironically Ye idatically init. Yes, I othat Communiolog, I not. 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I also find it interesting becausethere's like there's definitely like sex sex, relt sex sexualization of likecertain characters for sure like, like you know like the sexual attension,between certain characters and the hunting, but there's not a lot of selike there's, not a lot of sex happening like in to an surprisingextent where you're, like oh I've, wached through like one and a halfseasons, and there to my knowledge, has not been any sex in the show, and it'ssurprising 'cause, you're likeand, like again, there is like the whole likepeople. Think JEP is harder. People think a wats. The girl, Lik Li e, theany paing Anyas hothere like you know, but there's not like it's not like. Oh,and he slept with these guys, and then he slept with these girls and they'redoing it was like l. There is some of that that happens, but, and it es alittle refreshing as well to know that the humor is not ustsaturated in thatand O causeyou get o any of the places and that's what makes it kind of UNIQE.The first episode of the Second Season Has Betty whited I and samazing. I I feel like I've watched like in twoseason too, but I don't remember wh Ihwhat. What's the epissome ofwhereabid like becomes Han Solo, that's a great episode Wel! That's the Thi'sone of the paintball and like she like, like, like Ang, you, Po, an love 'causehe's like Oh, my gosh, like you're, just amazing and o like an see aMyansen, and he like w. He about it. Ain She's, Lak, hey what happenedbecause he was like dashing and like he was exactly like Conso and Hes, likeslaz ECS, I'm dashing in anthing like this. No it's so yet! So, yes, I think F Y Ajust,your mise thing, I'm not trying to get invested in the characters, 'causeother than Jeff Winger. None of them really change, even though and Jeffwiners change is like. He comes in one episode and is like so I'm Jeffwingering like basement dus, I tigilik just ki guys. I want to grow and learnand for bet punt on whos back caracter. Instead, I a again so so y Ave, ou shetyour mind set on it and don't approach it la like, like an average sitcom'cause, it's it's not trying to be an AENSENTOMA. It's really just trying tobe like clever fumerin men, so almost more like you're watching comedianso.So this is basically a lesson than Hermanudix kids yeah. So, which is you know, which is some of thereasons Li e I've watch shows and I'm like you know why I gravitated moreforscomedy B'cause, I'm looking too engage in I'm looking for the clever dialogueand th aowitticisms, and things like that. I I tend to respond emotionallyEttoo Doyou, art Um and I want to relate to a character because thay helpme relat emotional jecks, which, which is whie. It totally akes sense thatcommunity to Grad Ois community. If it's trying to that, it's not doing agood job 'cause, it doesn't do that. I don't think it's trying to do that,but because it's like it's a sitcom and that's kind of how it it comes to,whereas I brokeen nine, nine and Parto wreck, I really do lag on well a d. You know I was actually likeYo talking about siccoms. I was actually surprised by how much I lashedon to Manca Geller watching France this year for the first time ever, because Iwas expecting frinsust to be just silly, not super deep, said comen. Iwas actually surprised by the emotional death that it had. I mean it's stilllike. I mean. Obviously it's not like drama levels of debt but like thecharacters, grow and change involved, and- and I was just shocked by how muchI really enjoyed it. So it was not anticipating enjoying it as as much aseverybody else and you haven't watched stropes. I have nois that streamingsomewhere 'cause, I keep hearing it's great and I ceso. 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They've got allthe group ofpeople and then, like that's how the showcut drags on. Then we show up whattwelve seasons later and it's been like community after community they buildand has been destroyed and and like everybody is just the sickest kind of Itheres ill zombis. Yes, so they so ezambis are kind of like so it startsoff and it's like that's the thing right, like every's, trying to survivethe zombis and figure this up. 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...parks and wreck. She's like Leslie andAnne are friends, and they are friends first and they are not in competitionwith each. They never computed ama well, but the their friendship was so greatright. W An and Asyou so rarely see women truly supporting other women andcaring for each other selflessly, and it's completely just pure love and purefiership, and I that so much that I love about Pargeric, butthat in particular s one of the things I love the most and and for guys aswell. It's like Os but Youre. Never that close, ight think art a prettygood Dobo this it not not in Sixte, but you know like Chris and Ben are all youknow, superamicable with all the other guys but yeah, I would say, but their friendship toois etental yeah'cause, I a L Ike, he yor fire shake is up there, a Monh se it in aline. Lots of rabbit trails in this episode, Ga in good recommendation,scrubs Shoshin wne by by Morgan Freeman, were he's going through all thesethings. At the end, it's like it's is long drawn ou thou by anes like, buthonestly. I think I just missed my friend, and it was just like like it'sso good and it's just like this grown man and Andy defrane is a grown manlike the main character and like it's just like they're, just pals and likethis is a subooki concept. That's awesome, that's awesome, but yeah. Iagree with you that I just like one hundred percent of the time. That'sgoing to be a more enjoyable movie than a movie like if you guys ever seen gonegirl, 'cause, don't no I've een, icymically Shay, not waen girl spoil itfor me. Okay, are you? Okay, with this actual I I am just only because I'm I'sI'm not going to watch it cause my wathit and he's like you will have ahard time watching it don' watch it so art. So if you care to see Gongirl,stop listening right, spoiler, all right, so this guy's wife is kind ofsick of like like he just kind of like a dud. Now like he doesn't give hermuch affection. So she goes off the deep end and states her own murder,right iknew that framing himn. I do that runs away, and then he knows this is happening 'cause. Heknows his wife, but everybody else thinks that he, he hilled herer, and sohe talks to his lawyer and he's like okay. If you know, we need to do somepublicity D dinher to come out of the woodworks, and so he starts acting likehe really misses her and he loves her and he's like. Oh, my Gosh Hi's, sobroken up up, thatshe left, and so she starts seeing all this and then comesback to life by framing anether Dude, murdering that innocent guy and thencoming back to to the husband and he's like terrified now and she's like Oh,by the way, if you ever say anything like I've got all these things to frameyou anst in the movie it it's like get out of toxicrelationships. Gys before that happened literally been AFHLEX's face at the endof the movie you're. Just like WHA did you say: go no but IAND likeshe is renowned as like, as this like superpowerful and he's just like. Heknows everything, but he can't say anything and he sh's sitting there likefrozen like and she's just a hay, Bab and he's like it's just like. Oh my gosh, like pleasetell me, there's an and where she coan sit. My train 'cause Itheguy. Shemurders he's like the really Nice Guy That was carring Fr, like Oh man likeit was horrible and that guy was played by H, but you'll Pak him, yes e or is Birti he's likehe's, like alwaysloved her o she comes Er. Does I pay like he beat me up and like I'm comingto and HE SAI? Oh, my gosh like iuld, do anything for you and then she likeframes herself as if she's been raped by like abusing herself in certainreally awkward ways and then slashes his throat and then like it's just it'sjust it's so painful to watch like he's like the most disdained character everseen in a movie which IV guessed. If has any savaging thing, it's like she's,the most pro the character hated Mostin movies, maybe quut anyways, move yeahmovies. T V shows like that. I cannot do Li. I just wish I could have takenthose two hours back and I e hed never seen that and then watched the Barneymovie inst something Im more utlifting. We've been on here for a long yeah Wevgot one more show to talk about an I got like one more. I say the other showN Mylist you actually referenced earlier in Thats Arrested Development.The simple reason I just I could not get into arrestet development as againthe Manrson I watch film and Television is because I want to be able to relateto the storyi, relate to the characters in some way, and everyone is soterboable oalways like if I knew any of these people in real life, I would wantto plunch all of them there. So O e is Mi f, except for George, Michael andJason Bamens scarker Eer Expanson, the Factjason Bee, like the first season,he's Z and in the later seasons he's just as bad as tusses melysee. I On'teven think I finished the first season and and it's too bad because I knowsome of the humorthere is really really...

...good, and I really like the guy whoplays t the youngest son junior is jum of Jojnohoo Harono, not not Bu, not dsh,not well Ornet, dooacross T's. It's junior blue oed, ASS! No, no, no! No!No! It's Perso name starts. I keep wanting to say ton Hilu, but it's notto S. no, I it's will or net it's David Cross and and it's migal baby, there'sonly thee of them right and I know there's another one is that yes, Iwatched all hoarse seasons. I don't Lowr all this eyeah. I again. I Sad Istruggle through it, because the humor is really funny MEHALP Busteryeaihe,hysterical, Yeah Yeah. I I really like Tony Hale. I think Tony Helps Hilarious,but I I just all of the characters because they're all such terriblepeople just annoyed me to no end as like. I can't even think the humor inthis is funny because all of these people are grating on my nerves, sobadly. So I I mean thit's unfortunate, because I know there's a lot of reallygood lines and everybody always potes. Here's some money go see a star war,Ntea a othing. I say when people Verpo we're trying to get some accomplishd ina missis upway a well and then the the other. The other line 'cause one of myfriends, really really dug. arrusted development, back in the day when itwas originally on the air, and so I remember a a line that she had up onher instat missenger Awaymiss, blatpobe food. You can't be friends with asquirrel. A squirrel is just a rat with a cuter outfit and I was like Oh that'sreally funny on some Bo. I would like to go watch it, but I just I could notif get over, how it's really hrustrating and aggravating all ofthose characters. WOR Yeah! I don't blame you, I I barely got through itand I can't I can't bring myself to watch. I probably won't ever rewatch ityeah. I just find them. I find all the characters intensive dislike. Well, Ithink so. I think you can get through community, because the charactersaren't disliked, say that'Sthn. I don't dislike anybody unto me, except formaybe peers. That's Cheby case s es a because he's just terrible Humi, jus myeah with Ha restn development. I just found everyone just to be R, YEP,they're, awful character and and that's kind of way. I O Wik te Sho and Iunderstand that they are supposed to be awful to the point of absurdity and assomebody who loves absurdest humor, even I couldn't find it thatabsurdoslike, no, you people are awful awful humans. Please stopso that thatismine, I don't know if you have opinions on Arussa Development, GA o neer, washd,Eros, okay, O e'r, just goingto, say we're not going to recommend at Yeah D,Oe Oka all right, so I got two more, which will be brief. So one was Dexter,oh right! Well I love Exter, I a too and but I've been told people are upand down on the ENDEC. I never got to the other posic hate it definitely PD.It had a really really strong season with some really finality stuff goingon, and I thought they were just going. Ta End it there and then they hadanother season and n. You know it wasn't terrible, but I was like it'sKindof just the same old same old, and so I stoppe watching it and an Al. Myfriends was like what do you do at the ending lake? I stopped watching a showlike two seasons ago. Don't start watching it again told me about theending. He hated it and told me what happened I was like yeah. I probablywould hate that too M Hic I'. Ot is oil and I'm not going to use the badendings, because I haven't seen it, but you actually remind me: I'm rig T loolfinmishment, okay, I thought the first. The seasons were excellent, especiallythe third season. I I I really like Eli Camper a lot. She just M Qis titis. Oh yes, I know, theyeretalking about Nenblatig Natosi, think his name as tight as Burges a Ben. That's right! He is answer. Heis an absolute gem he's so funny and then Um she's she's in princess brideand she plays Lilian calking. Joking Titi purgs is correct. Es Teisbergean,pesburs, a tracane are all so so funny and um the girl who's. In thirty rock,a firs Jakezauski Sharras Crcasti, a her housge Jenkerkowski is grades andher character has some really really good development too. It is reallyfunny the second season I didn't like as much. I thought it was still veryfunny, but the third season is hysterically funny, especially whenTitus leminades and so he's doing, like all these fiancee parody music videosthat are just beyond hilarious and then the fourth season rolls around and Iwatched Thi fir episode and they pleased it in Hauve, which is weird,but I wached it persem. So, like Sias, okay, I yo'll pick up SOS okay, the fore season. Just was it funny, andI can't quite. I can't put my finger exactly on what happened, but there wasjust a lot of sexual assault, jokes and just I said, ewer fun o I just can'tfind A. I was like an a lot of just sex jokes, which the showt always had. Youknow right some, some sex humor, but not a lot- and this was just like everyother joke im like Toma Youre better...

...than this and know you're better tothis, because I watched all the thry rocking an ot. A lot of sex stuff btthalso had a lot of amaz and humor. So I know Youre a better right in this is ise problem. I had with Um sisters as like hernambuler that that's one on mylist, because I love both in the Ma ee, which I jstill watch it still veryfunny, but again it leans so much on the sex humor and it's like because wehade to make a AR movie. So, of course an OA comay has to have as be all aboutyou know: Nasty sex things like that's, not really fun. Finally, actually thinkabout it. It's just nasty. I N T like Aha, that was nast the Ro nother rock oJohn Sen isnit and he's a stare an did. I did really like that movie fora. YouKnow Lo Parse of that movie, but yeah can miishman. I still haven't finishedit and I literallyoly had like six episodes left and I'm not going to goback and finish it cause Naomi who did finish. It was like yeah e on a greatis. I was so disappointed B'cause. It was so fine right right, 'cause. I I'vealways seen a handful of the episodes and the ones that I saw were reallyfunny and I also routinely Sai Wa the hand sandwich, because I find thatamusing but Ndev digs is in season Thraci and he's awesome he's so funnywonderful, he is, he really is and he and on the show he pretends he can'twrap he as to act like he's not good at wrapping. Yes, really do that's veryimpressive because he had a excellent gestanwhich. whiust tells you he's avery good actor. So, yes, those were the last two last tshows 'cause. There are there area couple of shows again when we get tothe endings. There are a lot of shows. I watched that I was just so on Bord.Then we just crashed into the wall. I have pretty severe acute onset,conglicionous tendencies. There are very few shows that I haven't finished,even if I didn't really like 'em, but yeah th, the four that I ive mentionedhere. Those are pretty much like ones. I mean again new girl and communityunwilling to give atnother tryarrows, not sure, arrested Develpment Probablyn,and there are a bunch of shows that I just never finished, for whateverreason like I was watching it at time and then something happened and I backto it, but I don't count those because if I remember those- and I'm like whatI should go finish that show there are a couple of those wreband like you knowwhat I never watched the last t season of than we go. Do that yea so, butthese were shows, I actively stop washing Ma Rislie. I I ISCA. I justcan't do thii still here, just a Suer, I SPI Oso yeah, so those are any fun ofautrate yeah. I feel like all the fringe. The fringe episodes were goingto Mage is good. The fringe I meant like a o head. I was making a Jon fraid,O coass hone. I Haden't finished every time, we're like Liki, O movies, thatwe've done this too. Let's save that for another episode, Oh one's, where wedidn't like the Scanaly, let's say t at like all those I would proba probablyhad a lot more Osaye slike. So this one was just a little obscure for Mel. Imake legs. You menthon pirates like are ther movie series, where you ere Alllik, just just name: Cople off okay, so thedrastic park series, the pirate series transformer series, the TerminatorSeries, the born series- I mean I don't want to spoil all I thought: ThActually Neen, a an e regulars, h, Oso s e or ad diffens Ti Soer ther, pornidentity. Yes and orn supremacy born ultimatum, okay, so the first two werereally good. I mean the first three were collected. I I, as I saw onieerelogy a mighthad tapered down; U S, they ere pretty pretty solid. Then theymade one with Jermy Redder, Rennerrenner Ja. That was really badand then they rebootd, like th y h y kind of they brought back Mt Damon todo another one just called Jason Borne, and that was really bad too and, like Imean like one of the only mes iave ever fallen, asleep in in t e t, remi yBoinisean is ta an I Hav an that hour. I will say I do blame born identity forthe rise of Shaky Ham. It was Othingdetad Abou Aniwai, wait, TI did, but what identity and born supremacy were kind of the first reallybig movies that had o a Lanwich Yeah Blar witch did. But the do was her oenot AC an Seslo, so it was really the first movie whereit was like. Hey We cal make action, seems look more intense by onmost. Lo eo o a EA, an I a Ay. We can say its AH and then Marin was like. Oh, I got abetter at IM. We can just cut every half second, so nobody knows of a kickenex and a somewhere out there. Jackie Shan iscrying a cant, just truly LE E look. So hois such a wich don't do Youso C yeah.We can objecttion, yes, O wee Dene, I drtin ut. We still have six more moviesin the Jackegin h thing to watch as o morning, breakfast cigars Wol willdo some Jackoe Chan. Invite me to breakfast cigars. So I donto Wach Jackie Chaifriday, like nine O, Hey, maybe don't give her an exact timebecause we're never exact so wonyow as...

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