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Dearly Debated
Dearly Debated

Episode 12 · 1 year ago

Episode 11 - Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This episode we're talking about the yang to a hero's yin: Bad guys! Greg is a pathway to powers some might consider...unnatural, Jason just wants to watch the world burn, and Nathanael dusts off the volcano fortress!

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...like bowing down too and like in hisshadow and very scared of, and he just he was just super scary to me. As Icoild, probably the first one, I remember think IME, it's probably Jfarfrom Disney S, Ali Wy reference like either that or any villain characterthat appeared in Vavan, animated, MHM WHO's. The first fill it's joker, isn'tit a man Rs, oh Yayyeah, man, Bot, Jackbat re, think coker showsinteresting. That Rohbard is isactually kind of a man kind of alock. On least it's notwhat. It seems we Gott, I oey it's so good is good. Um Yeahal. These are going right over myhead, Tro, one print so goously on on so tensn and three andapparently there were like seven of them: Oh Gosh, Jue, o. Now I have towatch them all. You hear w this apparently at some point they switch tolike three D animation and it's about really really oi can't imagine John Bob.As a three Dy, we got to get off the topic as poor Jason He's Esy lost o. Sopersonally, a'am Sei iakt am Sam. IUM Do yolike reading. Okay, so for me itwas the emperor Jason it was. Man Mat and mine was also mand. Back RotbartWhi was kind of man, bad kind, O man, tat yeah. I think villains areinteresting just because they've evolved, even in like storytelling inany fast, whether ite's, movies or books, or whatever, like like having alike a diabolic villain who has like motive and purpose, is kind of like anewer age. It's definitely like the phase. Wer Now is like that's big time.Inow. It's like the cool thing to do to have a villain who's like yeah. I kindof get on board with this right, because t is what makes a good billainMexicod billain is, is to have a villain who, whose motives are all goodeverything's going? Well, you like all right, good hate, the bad guys hate injustice and then then they're like therefore burned down. Half the worldyou're like okay, I was on board with you N, O Astpar. that h t that's whatmakes good villains, because you can follow their motives and you can evensee that's why breaking Badis to goold show, because it shows this guy who'sKindo like like of alwys kind of a Dorky Chemistry, professor or just ateacher, not even a press, Hor and slowly throughout all of these seasons.He turns into this like Mafia, boss, essentially and you're like wow. Thatwas a really slow progression. I even found myself like on board with youthoug like some of the rougher parts, where, in an like, I had t eventuallyjust jump offboard with this guy and let him continue becoming evil, becauseI liked him until this point, and so it was such a cool depiction of like, likeHowabilin, becomes a villain. You know and and movies that do in books, andthings like that. Do a good job really do make you tol that line a little bitbut b t kind of clearly stat. It can't be like to it can't be spiderman toothe amazing Ixspitaman to where you're like the villain's, actually just anormal guy who, like everybody he just Chon like like, like you guys, are ALD jerksyou're still being Jerks Ando Kindo, try to repeat that an amazing ispiramentoo, with Jamy foxe, cathat's nother S, talk about yeah thought, you're talkingabout Docka 'cause, he's kin of he's kind of He's, pretty he's pretty e meate par weres like the thenicals stanke over his mind, both yeah the tentaclesare taking over his mind. That's why DCTAK is crazy, but he's also likeharming people and he's like Sa Sliderman Ar Ando Nice Yo t I geterand write afterwards, but rect hy point being that you can't go too far ineither direction. You Go Evar n one direction and you just got insane crazy,bad guy. Why is he bad? Because I'm bad okay, not very compelling, was going tosay amazing. SPIDERAUND too, had extra villainsyou know e Ar really good. Youalso had kind of a Gobblin. He had a robot Rhino Man. It was such a goodmovie. They they're, like you, know what what's a good Nevie, a villain sowhat's triple a tetimes as good. Is that three Oa like in Spirerman thirty spirmen Thri was Likei. It's like theether better omras in right. U These things like emo! I swear. I think those old marblemovies have this formula when they secretly want to enthe Frangiz they'relike if, if it's, if it's X, men, they're likeophoenix in there it'llnandits, they did both times. I saing it was like em y therein, both of themand then youhave the same thing I spit Oman you're like he just overflow itwith villains and one in one single movie that I last time it work. Do Itagainand. The thing is in like a series you can, you can have multiple bill inarts 'cause, you have a or you have eight hours or our twelve hours ratherthan Whoi, just think of hove hours. It really has to just think of how good um the dark night did with that, whereit's like so subtiely. You slide tooface in there, which, in my opinion,toothface is, is a strong enough billan. He could have held his own Mo. Oh YeahHedidt me like he was KINDOF wasted pretty quickly, but he didn't ruinanything Ma. It was. It was done, sutely and et was done well and you hadtwo character arcs and that was kind of like jokers point and- and he provedhis plant through reating, a second villain which wis really interestingand like it was just l Ke, you cant, do...

...it well y? Have Cliy spidermen movieyeah S, so I think you have you have a couple of different VLN archetypes thatyou can have. You can have obviously the one who's, just a foil to the to tto the heroer, like the joker herthere's, nothing redeaming about thejoker, but he's a very interesting counterpoint to that. Manyou canalwously, have the the conflicted villain or the Vilin that you're kind of likeno he's right, like kill, monger a conflicted bill and like Doco, tryingto think a someone who hei I don't stand up. He was. He was my example like like Mmy my point where it's like: okay, here's a guy who did come from a worldwhere overpopulation did end everything righ, so the motive there makes somesense to say: Hey. This is a problem. Maybe we should address it fom. I I'm W,I'm with you on that on that front, like hey ti, hos t going, I'm Greg I'Witho, okay wow. That was a really big problem: indid an n entire planet.Let's Talk Alout, have this discussion: Let's go and talk an and he's like nowe're going to kill half of everybody, and it's like co'me, jumping off boardman, no ler ar Y, and like that's l e, that's a compelling villain that youcay on follow, let's n, let's circle back to Danos in a bed right and thenyou can have obviously the villain, that's just so cartoonishly evil thatyou're just like. Who is this person? You know h? How do you get to thislevel of you? Don't imagine lik like in Inglors, baser Itle, just like DingAtantrum, that's those villains are just ridiculous. Letwe give you an example of one of those, so there wis this book called AngelMaker, the villain I s, something I can't tind to remember. It hassomething to do with. Basically, someone created these mechanical beesand I don't ask me how this work his book f. They explained it, but a donerourt is I mean that they sort of Black Mirror ye exactly these mechanical bees.It removed freewell because they told you what was going to happen. Soeveryone knew what was going to happen. So therefore, it removed free, well tit actually raised some really interesting philosophical points. It dihandled them very poorly, but I raised an interesting Pi SYCO point. So therewas a villain and this villain was so stupidly. Evil he kept throwing inscens, where he's like corturing he's, crucifying a priest and like haers orGod now and sort Os, zero purpose, other them for him to be ridiculouslycartoonisally evil and like it's, not good characterization. Ican't I can't yeah to shoot this guy, so much slap this guy in the head and Ifeel t zero remor like there's. No, it's just like Ye kill this guy, gethim out of the picture. There's zero remorse, zero thinking about it likejust carved Ubon, this dude neke him no question, but at he's no confliceregevle kill this man. That's why? Like wh N, when you're watching a movie itit's almost distracting, sometimes when you get to that point of like whatwould like what would? What would the purpose be if this villain even likegot through with their plan like like you, have to think, and if that happens,and you go that wouldn't make any sense like life for them, wouldn't meaningbetter, no motive, then that's a poorlysee, and this is this- is whatnot to go back to star worth, but definitely we're Gong back to Star Wars.Ecause such an as of poor writing Um. So you have clearly detailed this newfirst order that does not use clones anymore right. They use these peoplethat are programmed since birth. You know quote unquote, but then you havescenes where he's like, like hucks, is supposedly giving a motivational speech.Queston wor an wise even there talking to them. If they don't need to bemotivated like they need to be motivated, what are they motivated forin the past? Youve had droids and clones the distinct reason ot, whatthey're doing like nobody would get behind that like like you, you haveTheo diot original trilogy, make some sense. You have this governmentalhierarchy, that's ruling the galaxy. You'd probably have plenty of loyaliststhat are like hey. This, like things are working out, forrman had Sol reter,exactly Ola. That makes sense. You have the old ones where it's clones verses,droyds, very clearly, because, like it's just serving one person's purposeand so ye this new, this new, like the first order and you're, not even surewhat they're going for like you're you're, not sure what they're like theyhave no plans or anything, and the problem with that is that you, R you've,created all these villains. These foot soldiers that you're questioning whatthey believe in and O and you're like wait. If these people aren't clones, which y?U You re very distinctly said: why are they doing what they're doing like whatare th l Ke, there's no empire anymore, not serving anything like like thegovernmental thing that holds the power right now is the republic, even if youdid quote unquote, destroy it like there's no y still, you haven'texplained any motive to where, at the end, it was just a bunch of like toysbeing smacked together and you' e like who cares? Who Wins honestly, there'sno motive o other size, a bunch of people that, like cool, armor andshooting at things and missing, Clearly III Mandalorian. They instantlyexplain Al my opinion and then theyere like yeah. The empire still has likethey're still sections of people who have power andare trying desperately to hold on to it and not. You know, theyhave a lot ofhowrer but theye'e stillkind of medicine 'cause. They have all this TACye an one and one conversation in one in one line. 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...get in in the in the sequel, trilogies where he goes well,you know the star systems that are still allied with the empire arethriving far more than the other onesthat's all he says so. You're, likeO k. that's there is some motive. There there's some people that are like heywell, like government tolds Li Yeah Yeah. The system is working well, it'skind of like you know this crazy communist, like like they're, just likeit's, this dictatorship, where they're just telling US exactly how we need tolive or otherwise, wey're going to kill us or blow us up, but it's working outfor us so that we're kind of enslave we're living good lives and it's likesnathese counter Ori Ven make a sense that there would be a oi n. This issomething that's always boughed me about star wars. I can take a breedbeside in a world where you have such advanced jroids. How does anyone domanual labor when joys are clearly so cheap and ubiquitous? How is anyonedoing jobs other than joid repair e? It peks the question: Why are theyusing all these slaves on n? Whatever that plan it was yeah like like todaywe have increased, increased mechanization, but he's reallyexpensive. Drugs are a diamond dozen in starwas, numers and they're much moreversitil. You even get it in the original startman episode for the firstthing, they're doing is buying droids to do manual, Labor Righ, it's right off the bat you have thepeople ma they're kind of doing t at like L, you don't really see what Lukedoes and e quot o cit foreignly, but yeah, but essentially they're justmanaging the joys that run. You know that do all thi stuff that all makessense. You nerely, don't G, get a look into like pe ecause. Even in theprecools, you get episode one. You don't see, annicanndme doing work. Well,as you know the annikins there too Repairan rigt exactly and you canassume that that's their function and you get nd. You see literally joidseverywhere, like t. That is what Tataan looks like, and that makes sense asmanual labor, Ye, righriht and th. You go all the way into the sequels, andthen you ribe at this one plan and just to make it seem more menacing you're,like there's a bunch of kid slave workers here and you're like what isthis really rich planet with all of them? I know I know I because theadults ar like what does this tecnal, if you do can't fix my computer, it TaReeday, I onthe pose. I think it's like it'sjust. They just need. There's just luihts like Ifi F, O St, like write. What happened?Kids Slayo come fix. This I mean, but yeah essentially just try to tie itback into villainy of Bilt billanry Billainbni Anye as Illiness an viy LoSitio, when you're when you're writing aBillan you do have to you, have to ha make it make sense unless you're goingto be in you'rt, going to be intentional about not making ths likethe joker in the Dar at ight. Right like it's like that's the wholeconundrum is the Batman's trying to figure out, but why lik this non ismakes sinse. There's no mote of the dootive Antil. He realizes there isn'tmotive, he's an anarchist like he's literally here, because he enjoys tback and forth. He wants to be your Aunte Yu, like some men just want towatch the worldary exactly and you can do a good job. Reading a Maracter likethat. But if you don't, then you need to do a good job, explaining motiveyoget off hating on starwar gyoact to bilding a ack Y okay. Let's loo goahead and circle back at thes, Ook e, okay, so N. obviously there's a bigdifference between Movetanos and and Comicacans Arpeenas. A completelydifferent MOA is a little more Cheesi, which Jason Corrects me when I mispeak,but comic Bithanos essentially was in love with the Abatar of DADEF aae GrimRiver and to woo her offered her half of the souls in the universe prettymuch and she was like Mouson wrno yeah pretty much. And so then,when he's fighting the WHO Mu Hejiing me EA lie t when he wasfighting Si half of the Maroeserit was like Badman and the thing andgocuesorry aid Boltron rub book up, Omail, COP and and e Arl's forst thingwas lkeants like notine, but he he basically like almost takes his balland goes home bt. Well, you know that didn't work that kind of sucks like hedoes get beaten. I see it as and JS porprect Yo wron. I see it as as Tanusit's just like so depressed that he lets himself Lus pretty much. He heacieves his goal and then he's just like well, what do I do now? A Theaggretire aoparm and I think, that's yeah. I think that's actually reallygood. A really good thing of like hey, look, fil an you accomplish your goal.What now army that M Athats b the thing is t that's kind of what I brought y.The point two villains is: is you have to play in your mind? Okay, whateverThi Villain's plan is imagine, it works out m. What happens and even withen isthat, even if it's a little cheesy at least they explain it to say listen!This is what he's here to do that. That's realy it like he's he's lookingforward to resting. He he's like a normal ylike like you'd. ImagineYourself, man. If I accomplish what I thought I need O to Accoplish, I'm justgoing to go, relax and he's like Yo,...

I'm totally just going to go. CHIL L E,if I can actually accomplishes like it takessomebody with really strong will,if I can get this done, I'm just going to rest and say: okay. That makes sense.In my opinion, even though I'm a bigger star wars fan than I am a marvel fan, Ithink there's a little more depth to him. At least his ultimate plan thanthere is the emperor, even though the emperor is an extremely detailedcharacter over like a bunch of movies and a really good job telling a story.My whole thought is like like. Is he not like having an epiphany at thispoint? Where he's like 'cause, he wins right like an episode, four bive, ansixies one. Everything like like he controls the galaxy beginning episodefor he now has control all the star systems. He's got his super gun likenobody's moving, and it's just like dudeat. This point: Are you like notfinding Jesus or something like th? Ayou n? Are you not dislike wow, like I'munfulfilled here, with all this power and in in somebody that had a lot ofthing, afts a character. I was always just kind of like man. He just reallyis Solis like there's nothing there and O notnothing cause Hewa, he as grabbingpower, and then you have to hold on to that power riand. I guess that's hisonly that's anenglge Banaeyeah and it's on Oluk as O mentual successor yeah, Ith. I think he also enjoys torment, divater EAC, other yeah nowalsubordinates. I think this Ytis is a strange kind of villain, Legend typething where it's like, there's always two of t'em and it's s the way theywork they often kill. Each other wic is just kind of you know, justKindo, weird yblauris, a little well Caliyou told us why I mean because youcollect almoe as they not it, and it is Oferialy not going began. That is nothow it works, really hope it Hocin, Maan, not official, yet s notofficially yet, and also the val of Horsesi mean. I would like that we coulget UOU. I an get us away from there. You know what if it gets us away fromthe last Yeb, if it declares e last Yeo, not Canin, I'm O for it. Oh, if anythose three movies are going to be sealed in their own universe, Markd bywords h somebody could she up and wave amagic wand and make it disappear and drag a b? Yes, tar war with my villain,my villainry towards those three has no purposes he's a cartoonieval against Im, ver somean, just on B, so sotanos. So I have a question. Idon't necessarily think this is. I don't think it necessarily matters toany of the Tuplocato. He says I snap my fingers and disappear half of everyliving thing. They just see Oexistis that doesn't actually fix the problem,because you've now reduced the resources by half as well. We'veliterally not changed anything, but now now in th in the world, I I'm assuminghe was I'm probably overthinking this I'm assuming he was doing the samething that was doing on the planet were just lipping out half of the centientpopulation, and so he snapped his fingers. An half the sentent lifedisappears that you still have all the animal in plant life. But don't don't,do you see animals dissolve? Am I wrong? I don't. I don't think so. I Cun onlysee people didn't they mention something about it, N. maybe that's whya rockets survive yeah and also, if it's at random, if it's at random, thenwell, he sent him. We Group did but he's against Centa, but so I don't want to get really or Winnyin on you guys, but right Sol, say you STAP, yourfingers and half of the healthiest section of the populasion disappers andthe people that are left all have crippling wasting illness. You didn'tknow evryone. Also nother thing e didn't account for is like how manypeople died, because you killed pilots and dry right right right, yeah, mylateras not poge about like, like they were doing like essential jobs thatkeep peop all the doctors that died while they're saving somebody and likethey obviously did because in puscrnd you see helicopters crashing a d yeah Imean I it. I clearly reason counas. Okay, I sat my fingers. This helicopterhily disappears o the two people on there die so that counts into the total.As I rel at the Mindan S, he did the hold the numbers oing in Runi. It himhe's sitting there about to get chopped his head off he's like I deat the maskreally tair. A really sad thing is when the Holk snapps his fingers and Haffthe people come back e. The people that are in the plane come back. AnyouWilhelm, scream Om. I too, I did you know what I did find kind ofsilly. This is a little bit of Ariffa will come right back. I just watched Umspedoman apart from home again, and I found it kind of ironic that everysingle like like meaningful character in that whole entire one didn't lilikethey all they all. You know yeah they all blipped or whatever that's whatthey called it e every meaningful Cara character in Spiderman BSO that theycan still be the same al O T' AE. It would have been lot more interesting if,like half N, How d you May as a Meei e byor like flanore no longer whatever orhis buddy is like super old, but still...

...in school, Havein, a funny thing or ifM J was older, Siis an new love interests, whatever you want to do, butlike wors EA teacher, was everybody any character you'd seen already was youknow I was already there and young was Kinda, like even the teacher's wifedidn't lip Ho pretended like she did elike she ran away with their yogateacher or something yeah N. obviously, a two hour two two hour movies is notgoing to be able to cover the full ramifications of what happens when halfthe things in the Uiverse, Tisin yer and then reappear five years later here,so all right, so villains Sovalyn. So IWanta, you know, touch on briefly heros that turned into villains OKA.And how long should you spend on that- and I think you know where I'm goingwith this- probably probably guess so- we're goingto go back to Star Wars Yeah? Maybe so now again they flesh it out a lot inthe clonewars of of anic struggling with the Dark Ci. If he o somethingyeah yeah, it's I oly it is, but once you get through season, O one, thestory w'll carry it yeah yeah, I'm in season three, it's good! It's very goodand I keep waiting for Darth whilein e Bak caus. I know he comes back, which Iso I was like Hel ar most livesawas, like Yo, didn't watch cowars. No, Ididn't watch Colm Mores, ECAUSE, Disney pus wasn't ot at that time, even withcolnwars yeah, but so so conwors takes. You know sevenseasons, hours and hours and hours to showAnnikin, always not following the rules, because he thinks it's more efficient,always doing his own thing and then having to struggle with artside. He helike, tortured a guy really early on. He tortues t a guy to get informationbecause some of his unit's going to die if they don't get the information um he so so you see him develop barksidetendencies Othat, he keeps hid n three, which agan a just watched it,and it really is as simple as no I I understand it hinges on his spear oflosing padmabut. It goes from Zerodona hundred so fast. Where he's like you'rethe sifth Lord I'm going to go, turn you in and then make men do, isfighting chief e. She use you and anits like I need him cuts off his armwhen whe dies and he's like. Okay, now, I'm doing doliteraly anything Hes Ol me that makes it like se th and then hestarts murdering children. That doesn't give me as much whiplash as it givesyou just because, like Soe, I'm writing a star war story and the whole ideabehind why? Yet I are so strict and an and thisthis is. This is a problem. This is t e problem, Uigone Sau in the Jea he'slike listen. We need to be able to feel and have emotions like these are goodthings. These are good, loving things and the jet I feared this. So much isbecause whso you're learning to become a HYPOTHETICA. You have the force andWerewe're training you to use that force as a weapon. We're training youto become a weapon, but this weapon is distinctly tied to your emotions in away that it will increase your emotions and those emotion will increase yourpower, so they have to be extremely careful th. How they're doing this iswhy it's so strict like you can't get married. You can't do this. You CA,like I, I've written a lot of like dialogue between characters having thisdiscussion and e there's this t, it's really cool because you don't like wecould weak me and you could both end up on very different n spectrums of whatwe think is right. What we think is wrong. Anecan was clearly furthertowards the middle, but he proves the point with that y 're you're, creatingthis thing inside of you, that's really really powerful, and you need to becareful because all these small things you think that you're doing which g getevidence to even through an episode three and they are small. You are right.It does go from small things to murdering children, which is which isextreme, but I think that shows the power of the force and it shows withthe jet. I are so scared of, because they'e like as soon as you give intothis dark side, you have to be a slave to it. Right like like it controls you.If you want the power that it promises, you have to do what it says and andhe's fully in at that point m. An he knows he's like I can't go back now. Ijust killed a master and that was kind of his first step, and this is theimper saying all right. Well now that I have you, I need you to prove yourselfessentially go to the worst thing I can think of and go KOK it. It may lessenme Yo on for me. It made sense and I thought itwas. It was a powerful moment because you could even see Annakan like he'sgreeting his teeth and he's like. Oh, my Gosh, like I'm, I'm all in now, likeI'm all in to save this girl that I love and this is going to suck and Igon to be yes, N. I, as Ineai he's so as soon as that happens, he's instantlyso remorseless if he, if he was like, maybe he's not evn moseless ye, he he,maybe he hides a kid away or or tries not to kill every single one of thosesmall children he's not remorseless, because you see him an Mustafar twoscenes later and he's bawling with nobody around him. He knows what he'sdoing he's dealing with it and then patmay comes, and he even reasons withher he's like litust run away t I can ower the an Ma Kis you I mean like thisis a Guywho he's he's he's one of a few characters, at least the jettecharacters that you actually see go through these things. Nd I mean he he'shurting, but he's also dealing with...

...things and force powers that we have tojust accept am different than human, Bein and okay, but that was neverexplained right. So from the viewers perspective I oen it. I mean I didn'tget the idea that going to the darks sot of the forest okayso. This is theproblem I had in the flash. The reason I stopped watching the flash MHM SO INTHE FLASH AND I've had I hed discussions, O Tlotte people, and theydon't agree with me. If we talked about this we'll find out, I don noo intheflash. They go to an ultenate earth right. This is a CW flashshow in thisalternate earth. They find out that Kat Lyn of the altermate Earth is killerfrost. He got powers Yo had like some. She had some crazy, traumatic stuffhappen. She got superpowers and Che's, evil right or she's, a village she's,not evil, she', Avil, okay and they're even able to reason with her- and youknow she h- u O heling them out q to flashpoint. The flash WINE FLASH GOESBACK, SAVES HIS MOM. It has horrible ramifications in the timeline. One ofthose is that Kaitlan's ice powers get activated when her ice powers areactivated. She is evil, not a villain. She just turns evil and I couldn'thandle that I was like this is so stupid. None of every other person gottheir powers and either use side. Oh, I can do a lot of good with these powers.T E good guy team or Oh, I can rob more banks with the all th, all all thevillains. They were almost all the Gilns. They run into were criminalsbefore they got their powers but doesn't like, like I don't know muchafbout color for ost, but is there something like, like the people thatmad more D C savvy? Is there something to her powers that are a little morelike Ravens, where it's like a little more rolling, not really eathey? Dothey do just KINDOF? Make that jump? I think later on, I'm not s'm, O defitingn seen it think later on. They give her like they tone it back and kind ofbring it back in, but yeah it was kind of. It was weird anjorring yeah. It wasLeing at Ber, evill sake yeah. She wasd just like her powers would activate andthen she'ld be like. I don't car everybody lie that doesn't make sense if shesfeel like a tug to the, but it was so nightday and it was like more evil thanalternate. TATLAN was 'cause. They were again alter. NAC Catlin to wes killer.Frost explained how she became Toller frostit had to do with some trauma thatshe had that normal cigan didn't have like something terrible that happenedto her or some abuse, or something like that right and that that led her down apath of crime and they were able to reason with her and they'r, like you're,still kind of arcaland you'r. You just you know a things happen. You made somebad decision a so they were actually able to reason with her normal Cailin, no she's, literally thewicked witch of the West and Yolike Dude. How does that work? Then? Here'smy theory. I actually figured it out after after being angry about it for along time. I solved it. Okay, her ice powers give her hypothermia so she's,not thinking properly, it's cooling, Hor Brain Boud Ot. Maybethat works 'cause over the course of the show. You know they have their. Youknow emotional talks with her in every episode and they slowly warm her heartand she becomes more normal. Do you go stowars difference from that alot? Iknow I know I know I just I just I'm, ok with with heroes, turning evil. Aslong as I can see, it has to happen slowly from Heruhhuh and and I get thatthere there can be major and I'm trying to think of Someo ourse, because nowthat I'Mer talking about it, I'm not totally banking on an example, butthere ethere are instances of something major happens, that this person saysI'm against a hero, not necessarily I I'm going to be a villain now, but,like I, a Te Hero. That means I'm orde resert on Hel bad man, Sveran alittle bi, that's way more Corra way more Fort Um. Have you guy? I was, Iwas Gong to say, cergoing back to Anagan m one of the things with them.is they do set up like all these little transgressions? An episode? Three? Areyou know, so he can be with petmay right and like he's breaking the rulesand is primarily having to do with her and then his flip to the dark side isshe's going to die, so they do at least give him some Moy. Yes, ancy goes off that cliff he's just likeyeah he's all in, but he's all into save her yeah t yea, but then at theend he jokes her like five minutes later he's like that's tha or ra, eadknoand it like it doesn't confuse me, you know e a he didn't spin. It smacks.Obviously maxoe was rustrates. Everybod TSE to his Pax of Lucas, wanted tobuild this out over a longer period of time and then Iwas like shor Te, ThrCikno, the evil o again, I'm still yes and theres. Proofof that INSCU Comor, no B T that's fine, but I'm still saying clonwar still endswith the beginning of episode. Three yeah, so you C N Argue that, like Lucaswanted more between episode, three and Indovepisi more build up of him beingmore indication that he's ready to go to the dark side great. But this isthis is a trilogy movie in which there is inedy. Nine. That's past y! U Youcan fill that in no. Like xcept, you jump from two to three there's noindication of how many years that was...

...right, but but two DD seven year sixyear, not even j too one has already led you to believe that he's on thispath. Y. U you know as a fan that he's already on his past shirt like whetdating, is and that' and that's the thing is he kind of cheated a littlebit with with with his he cur develpment? Because we know what'sgoing to happen right, an I'm, not I'm not complaining. I'm just saying, Ithink, that's an example of. If you just look at Anican's characterdevelopment, it happened very quickly and if you want to lean on the forceSOMOCION stuff, that's fine, but I think that's not sasrate answer forjust eyou or who's not invested in the worse stuff, but, like you have to you,have to be invested in the Fosu to Wan Tat. I O 'cause. He literally chokes her twominutes later and that doesn't make any sense at all. That will never makesense in never in any univers, no matter how much buildup you do unlessit has to become our fat an be separate from PA. No, but that's not why K itmakes sense that he jokes her because he's turning to the darkside and he'srealizing he's becoming evil and and it's consuming him and he destroys thevery thing that brought him in the dokside and now he's he's a characterstrap and he no longer has he any motivation he's just there, because hehas that he's already made his decision and that's he. He had to become thatcharacter because in four five and six, that's what he's telling Luke he's nottelling Luke Lu Youve got it wrong. Man You're on the wrong side like over herelike we got it, made we're doing good things he's telling Luke. There is nohope for me. Stop telling me there's hope. For me, there is no hoe for me.That's all he ever says, and so you have to create that character. How doyou create that character? WWE've got to seduce him with the darkside andmake it seem really really good and through the darks ide blind them towhere he makes these mistakes and then realizes it, and you have this reallycorny. No, at the end of that Eer Ane, he also has't have a Ki Alon way: itdidcreat, really Cornin ow ye see that is a character s acharacter, his lost alloyon, unlesste N. Lo, you really have a great bill unlessthey have a really torny Noi yeahallright. Well, we could talk aboutDartider as hours T. I had nothing again. I just think it happens tooquickly within the bradge of the scefth iottacin. The clons is fine buildingthat even if th an I disagree, Wa EEK ee Loklilets. It's change in Li! That'swhy it's car other! That's! why T S C EAH THEY SAI good! I'm glad we havesome lits, we mostly jisagree on ut. You know, I'm glad. We new e disagree alot on the PREQL now Um. Sorry, all right! Well, TRY TO GET OFF! Stanoroscope! Yes, we'll letgo back to other, let's go to movie villains, butwe talked about in our Oro episode about Hanniballector Yeah, who is Ra afantastic BILN. I don't think we need to. I don't think we need to rehashthat yeah, no t at's, because we already talked about h phenomenal ofthe Villaine, is what ab? What about individuals? Is there? A villain thatyou think is done really well t? Doesn't matter o movie written books,anything like individually, each of us what's avillain that was done really well that you really enjoy doesn't have to beyour favorit ecause. I know we can sy you forever, just Hil Um. I thinkBaltimort was a pretty good like shadowy eviling for a long time, andthen she transitioned roun open to him from a shadowy spectre and it kind ofhovers over everything to a real force, and then I actually really loved whatshe did where the ministry amatic as just like denying hyeah. That wasreally cool. What was his motive again so Wulemar just H, Vodemart wants totake over the world and who wants to kill all the Muzles Moge heeates, O MsoYoure Isury he's essentially Magicaterri it', it's the Hirokhe oflike if you're pure blood, okay, so h, t anrryon as that have on Yeahm, okay.No, he he's definitely and he's well told throughout those Yanes reall Geo.You get more of that in the books than do. Oh absolutely, I mean that's H. Ifeel like H, Ye th Haso. I think the movies honestly, I think the hurrypotef movies do e find those are great alaptations. As far as like Movie ThoBook Books, the movies go yeah they're, well D. I WANTA I want to do it a whole episodeand hurry potters. I don't want to go too into questions that I have about nookay. So if, if Harry was save by love, the first time anyones ever sacrificedso for their child body loves the no, what a loveless wor, what bt Yeah, I think I think voldemorereally is he's a quaityyeah and he's again like e. Now that you cleared upthe motivation like the MOT, the motive is, is it's something we've seen in Iriyeah yea a tomarry doing this, and- and you literally have people spread outthroughout the universe, the school, individual, wizards and stuff that ACthat are loyal to him, because they agree with that kind of Hierocin, ATAEAH and the people yeah. The people who who on board with him, make a lot ofsense. 'cause there it's a sense of yhywe're better than them B'cause wecan cast freaking magic. Like are you kidding me? I L deserved to be. Youknow, walking like a Wi Soi'm going to cheat a little bit. There's a show that I like a lot. Idon't think either of you guys have seen it avantire the last ar venderI've e told to see a to episodes,...

...because my roommate is currentlywatching it now so I'll come home and I'll get o watch a little bit t. So No,I know a ltlb one of the things t I really like about that show withoutgetting to spoiler on it is. It has really great billins. The wholeoverarching clout of the first show is they're, taking down the FIRELORD,which is essentially Emperor Palpetin of the Havi Araten Abouttarke, prettymuch he um y. You actually don't see him until the third season at all, he'sjust the force that they're going up against, but you also at the same timehaving smaller youhave villains like there's this character, Zuco who's kindof, like the man antagonists, to begin with, there's and he's kind of thefilling, with a motivation that you understand. You have a is sister thatshows up later and she's kind of th, just the crazy power, Hungary, likepsychobath kind of character, and then you jump into there's a sequel showlegend of Cor and then that's true, I think I's kind of defined by its bonesand it's got basically. Each billin is kind of that character that you can geton board with their motivation up to a certain point, and you kind of theprotagonist learns a lesson throughout the course of the season and then as touse that to defeat the villain at the end with Um. So really great villains.There Um- I don't want to Tarpo too much because you guys don't heard toomuch about it. Here's the extent of Avatire Lasdaneramberter that I know it's the quenchiest and my cabit is hat's. Most of that's all. I know yeah yeah, so I I feel, like I reallyunderstand, there's a character of a really greatredemptive Ark in there too yeah. I Zuco right, yes yeah, so I I've seenenough means about whthe lest they teted to know the characters. Defaslitsad, definitely worth agworth. Wor Watch the IT's funny. We should talkabout this sometime, but there are some things that I know a lot about thatI've never watched. ECAUSE is Idrdone so much through Rulia and questions. Weshould watch that we're GOINTO watch that go wone to you got. You have toexplain why you're not gon, no watch prosen. I move yes right. Now, I'm avillain too prozen, because Thereis Okayso Greg. He was twenty years old.He walked into his educational advisor in college or is that what Youre calledterizer anyways the person that hells mem the classs Academicadvis YeahAcademmec there? You go UM. This is a woman who is a bit older and guess you can call her Dorky. I don'tknow she's very kind, very nice, H, greks. Having a long day, I walkingmyself into her little cubicle and I turned the corner and to get into thisplace, and there are little strings of of like fishing line holding upsnowflakes floating around her CEBACL with stickers everywhere. I have noidea. What's going on Anand, I sit down and I'm not kidding you this womanwalks into this cubicle wearing like a Tuto, and it's got. You know iciclesand things on it and she starts singing aversion of. Do you want to build asnowman called? Do you want to build a schedule to me? That sounds amazing? Iwas this was like. I was like listen ma'am. I I'm in between workouts andclasses, like I just got Whutd d you like to Bel. This ca sounds like thebest thing: Iron Ro, a bunch of other things that I tuned out. It was. It waslike, and I'm not just talking about like she said: Do you want to build aschedule and thng? This thing was like three and a half minutes. Maybe for-and I was like, okay honestly, it wasn't even funny for H. First Thirtyseconds an you, J, st either kill me or give me my classes. I Will Never Watchthis movie greg. I think you just need to let it go so clearly that she was working throughsome stuff you're going to sit down and watch prozen with home you're gointostuck get opwe can anyway ask or through that song. If you want to thatmakes you feel back back to herfertly and find im back to Beilans, so well.Talkiamout frozen also was apparently supposed to be the villain when theyoriginally pitched it and they're like this is a little too dark for a kids'movie which Bull Sh. Have you washed older, kids' movies, they're so darkthere, but, but have you watched up that starkfor kids would be Jeez wit, so is it my villain now 'cause, I don't want t e oRosn I Bett Bether Day, but you've Ron, AP Rozen, wait when have no w. What Idid you said knowing about things that you've never watched Mike frozen. Iknow Roda frozen Oso was riginally supposed to be the villain, but theychange. Thawhat is your villain, okay, so either Hov you seen deaf note. Yes,no t, that's aother thing that I know all about fantastic thogh on be, in myopinion, possibly the best villain. I've seen just because to the wholeshow it revolves around the billain like he is the POV character. You arethe villain, essentially in the show, and it's almost like a breaking bad,where you see where he starts and you kind of you follo Hem along. So just togive you a rough premise: there is ridicu he's agenius he's a kid in highschool, he's a genius and he gets this book that allows Hem to kill people. Hecan write anybody's name, he can tell you how they die. There's all theserules that he slowly starts to learn. He doesn't write anything. They die inthirty seconds of a heart attack, but he has to gas to know their face, bethinking of the face and write their full name, and so he starts. He StartsAdopting Tho sort of God complex where...

...he thinks he's going to be the Savierof the world. He starts doing these things and it it becomes. This mysterymov mystery show about this. This secret, like detective, called L, whoobviously is called Lso that he can't get, is lhis name, and it's about himalso being a ridiculous, a genius trying to chase this Guy Kira who's,the main who's, the main character of the show, but also the main villain GNI, the Genius Kid and so the two ofthem kind of dodging each other, constantly figuring each other out. Thereally interesting ways that l figures out what Kere is doing, but also justthe levels, the depths of evil. That cures is willing to go further andfurther and e always shocks. You like the more and more and and the coolestthing I find about it. The reason why I say said that statement he might be thebest written villain is because he goes through all those different phaces thatwe talked about right. He starts off with somebody that you're like okay. Ican kind of be on board with this with his idea to begin with, he's onlykilling off he's in, like the worst of the worst people that are just takingup jell space and he's like this is great for they're, just going to die ofheart attacks like this is amazing. This is a good Ling, so you're Kindo,like all right this kid he's a genius he's kind of finding lack of purpose inschool and in life, and he's like this is really really cool. If I remembercorrectly like his first hell, he actually saves some saves yea. He savesa woman from getting from getting attack. He he writes the Guy Laing downreally quickly, and then I geti by a car right in front of him and so you'refollowing along those lines right and then he cluely crosses over that lineof like okay. Now now he's doing things to protect himself, that aren't good atall, he's killing innocent people to protect himself, and then he he goes.He moves into the different stages of Villainry, where it's almost like alittle bit of like an anarchist because he starts just like he starts targetingpeople that are just you know that are anti Cura and those become the villains.And it's like okay. Well, this is far from what you first started as and thenhe he moves into what were the other, like I mean, and he initially you know-starts as as the good guy moving to the bad guy. I guess if you want want toadd that one in there, but there are a couple more men, I can't think of it.Now I was just thinking well by by the end of it. He is just this puremalevolent force, but at the same time the character is KINDOF. HannibalLector, like you like Y, like ecause they're, so genious like he's coming upwith these ideas and and again t it's it's more about 'cause'cause. The thingis when he writes somebody's name, he c he can tell how they die, so we cankind of control them for a little while, so he can get really really detailedand smart with this Berchan dies by running into this person. Taking thisperson's car and blow like you, K, Ow, just doing all this really detailedstuff and also being really sneaky with how he gets people's names like hey, Idon't think you're a Coplie show me our I D and Seiz the guys id you knowso.Now he has waited to kill him and so like, like getting other people to write inthe no for him, but there's all these dee, so he he just becomes this kind ofpsycho by the end of it and he's kind of gone through all these differentphases of villainry. By the end, even his like s is kind of goofy counterpartis like dude y like this is where the en this is where this path ends likeyou, want to do. Wh t what I do, which is like, like the demon that falls themaround, that owns the book like his Cono Comic Relief and he's like l e. Ifyou want to do what I do, this is how it ends like like you. I won't spoil thending, but S. it's an amazing show and he's an amajust frights. Everyone likehe just ' just a crazy character. H Like he goes from anarchist to okay,I'm on your side to like it's all about you know yourself and, like you, Kindofgoes through all these different pases of Villrind, its really well writtensuper good. Show: Roberts, vigery, nathaniels, writing rea a book rightnow, not Deo, watching frozen WLOSO. There was a a Amagi read thathad some really really interesting villains. It was. It was basically a a crime, detective thriller, but with asupernatural twist. So so it's about this demon called Nuro, who is he'scalled the e, the king of that eating the prince of bat eating and he eatseverything but who he really likes to eat is puzzles like if you solve apuzzle, there's some sort of puzzle, energy that gets released, a heats thatthat's like a really good meal for him. So he comes to the human world becausehe's he's ord of all the cuisine, an hawl and he latches on to this. Thishigh school girl, caus he's like I'm a demon. I don't know how to function.Human Society you're going to do it form you're coan O, be the headed, thea agency, I'm going to be your assistance as it goes around salvingmysteries, Solvin crimes and as he solves the crimes you know whenever hesolves them, the viling confesses, and then he h, he eats the mystery and theytortures them with some crazy device, but it it was really really interestingbecause there's this character, that is, is a villain that they end up followingthrough multiple murders, and this villin is neroas like I can't I needgoes to the girl. CACLAN IS IE kikem. I at your health, like I can't solve thisone on my own, because I don't understand human motive, but you haveto think like this person. As you understand human motives, a you need tothink this person an tell me where...

...they're going to be, and so she does itand an ND. It turns out. This person was like a clone that was experimentoigh. It got really weird towards the end and it ended up being. There wassome guy named six who was like some higher evolution of humanity. Almostlike sending people it got really. It was really really good, though, but butthat one had some all the villains, all the the VILLAINWITHIN, the small crimeswere really interesting, ase they're, all they all seem it Didt itwas reallylike. I got the Christi thing where it was like. Oh you know I could be. Thisperson could be this person and then it turn out this person. A D you're likewhat is their motive, an they explain their motive and they're, always likecrazy insane, like Oh, my God, how dont you last thislong without murdering whatyeah, I think when you get into anname likeit's just like a depth of like really, you know bizarre real. 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This guy can destroy every universe by sneezingright, so the biscuits, bigger and bigger GA taken bigger biger, but itends up ith like the God of creation, or you know the thing hat the personthat created everything and is somehow evil. I didn't understand it went offthe rails from me, but bleach is a really really good one. Where so bleachis like it's all about the afterlife right, and there are these tirm raperscalled Chinagami that are tasked with when something gets into the humanworld. They gotto go. TAK it out they're, like they're in charge of ofthe afterlife, isn't the same name. That's Comonitsth Japanese word forgrom rever yeah, it means goeach ago becomes one and he goes at. He meetsand ITE's like a council of Thirteen Ginegami. They kind of run theunderworld and there's some sort of king and it got really weird, butthere's one guy called Isen and he's the villain and who know he's thevillain, but he's like trying to. He see sole society, which is Afterlif,ask crrupt that he's trying to fix it and he's doing it by doing all theserelage things. So so he he reveals his motivations, like his montivation Te,come clear. BCAUSE again, you know he's the villain, but nobody else. Does yousee him working in the background and doing his motivation things and itturns out. Everyone has a sword that has like two abilities and there's likeone where it stays like a sord at they get a special billy and then one word ttransforms and his ability is. If he touches someone with it, he canmanipulate their memories. But he's like behind the scenes tryingto maneuver all of Sol Society to take down what he sees as a corrupt loaded,desidand thing trying to get into the Kings'cause. It's like a Sol king thatnobody gets to go into he's like Sol King Eigt Donfor, two thousand years,I'm taking him down. So that was a really that was a really really goodone to O and and of course the Hee as like. I don't care, I'm what Yo ask it is funny a lot of times when youhave a new wants tivill in him, the hero's just likewell, yeah you're, thebad guy. So I'm justified here at kind of in blackpanther a little bit,although, although you know to Chala, does acknowledge okay yeah, you knowyou have a lot of good points and we're going to address those after I kill youon and I think that's part of what makes it so hard to say what makes agood villain youhave. You know just the insurmountable foe, like you know theemperor you know just evil for Evil Sake, kind of, or at least that's how he seems in theoriginal trilli right igtand. Then you've got anarchist the crazy person,the joker, like basically most horror, movies, slashmiing characters. All thatkind of stuff really compelling really interesting to watch together to thePoilwait, a minute Sora en Trin'. To remember what Iwasgoing with T, you were going through the different different styles abilns Yto e joker. 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...that because we're not evilsupervilliar. I know I know I know I know so when we watch we're alwaysgoing to sympathize. It's never going to make rational sense that there arebut like inlike, we don't have. This is why we don't I mean okay, we have somesupervillains in rea life, but, like essentially, you don't have evil likepeople to that level of peple that are like my plan is to destroy the worldand it's like it doesn't really existy. So the motives are going to becombizarre yeah yeah, and I get that and and so let's go. Let's go talk aboutbamming last week, Agester Freez, Mister Frese is like a reallysympathetic, geling cause you like all he wants to do. Ell's, not the ArnoldForce Negerversion, all he wan, you do diamonds, the eyey so bu all he wants to do. I primemotivation is to save his wife, so Badno, it's better OBUTSO. He he like has a sympatheticmotivation where you're like okay yeah, he just again we talke about. Why doeshe not just ask bat for help which, if he did in in one of Hem one I'm sure inone of the iterations that they solved this problem? But you know he turns tocrime, to fund his research to try to save his wife forse nowadays, honestly,kick starter CON GIV o I'm a frozen Lon at my wife sees give me money to savemy wife. Trying to this video will help many. My wines miais Ice Buke challenge OAS, not cold, Obalon, Yowim, stillfreaking Quie Bo compared the me he could start a snow convesiness on o, so man he could be vine famous.Like I mean he could do anything yet isee. I I would love to see a serieswhere, where Super Villains like in the twenty first century, they're just liket's yeah, I'm just like a Hutube star now seriously. That's always when Ifantasized aby having superpower. I Maras like that's what I do to makemoney and e an ceper on the side. That is what interesting thing and I dothink we should save this first son episode of you know. Superherrs andspavillins are always kind of they are to fight each other, whereas you'relike okay, flash you're super speedy work for Amazon man was Amazon extra prime ten. Seconddelivery. All speeds ter Totri can bank like come on, but it never works out.Didn't you see Spiderman try to deliver pizzas in that movie, okay, yeah, buthe's like the most inefficient Monta atouse Watyeah, the villain, thetjustthatlittle literl trash gin, oathma. So sad dus not talk about her. No, it'snot NOI'm trying to think of other vilins E theree villains that aredifferent from the ones we've described and trying to think. Like of a VarieYelng. I feel like most Pos fn, that are you guys, Seein the movie, the Rock.It's got Shan Conee Yeah that was interesting V so like it had nothing todo with Jain Johnson. It's called the Rock because it has to do with Acatralike like they call it the rocket. It's is the prison that is an island as asmaller island. So it's about how these ex military guys s one specific,General Guy. Is he stole these nukes and or these like chemical warfare,bombs, Anane, hiding on alpadres and he's threatening people? I thinkbecause the motive is that they left people, they left dead people hand inthis nwor that he was in and he's like. We need to honor those people like likethey deserve to be honored like, like we just left like ththe, rotting bodiesthere, and that this is wrong. Like I'm, holding essentially polding like NewYork ransom, I he's going to blow it up or something like hoping that he getthat and I mean- and we find out like ultimately like, like he'she's willingto die for this right, like he just wants to do that. He knows he'll, be abill and and he'll be cop and captured and killed in, but he's like it's okaylike like like and you find out later I mean I'mheads up is spoilers SOTURNO. Ihave watched it um that he never planned to to it. He wasbluffing the whole time, and so when they call his bluff and they don't,they don't negotiate with the terrorist. He says they call our bluff. Okay, wehave to stand down and then one of his men ends up killing him and takingaother, and so it's I thought that it was interesting as if you were justbecause I thought. Okay, his plan made sense like that was a car actually kindof would have an interesting Li e and it was. It was interesting, the factthat they had the main villain kind of, say: okay, this is at they call my buff,I'm not planning on killing thousands of people. For this, my motive was good.I beluved, like I, was going to be this horrible guy. I was willing to getcaptured an go to jail for it if, if theyd met my demands and honored allthese people, that t you know h y t y didn't go and find their bodies and andburied them like they. They should have an which was a bad thing like theypulled out of this. You know whatever war he's describing, but then you havethe other character. Who has probably wasn't thinking about it that way, andit was like okay, I'm already neck deep. I have to go through with this, isn'tlike we have to pull the SRIGGER here like otherwise. What's the point likemy life's over anyways, they capture my liyes over, I maght as well Grib aBunkile, I'm here right Andso. I find that to be...

...to be pretty interesting, just because,like the secondary character, who you think it's an extreme thing, I'm goingto go back to the star wars thing it's like once you're already in, like youkind of give up, hope and like you can relate to like is. I cund relate toboth of those guys, the one guy who had the plan. He was thinking Abou, justhimself, all of his evil men that that he cond rocreed to do this. Heobviously didn't tell them th t they were bluffing, I guess, and so for themT ey. They had plans past this they're like okay, no life exists beyond this.We're going to get a Helli opter get out o here, andhe Lak, hey woud, havenever done that like this was mainly to get our our people honored and then youknow I was always going to be going to jail or Goo going to die, and theseother guys had other planes O, like Oh, my gosh. Well now, I'm already here Ihave to be this evil belling and that's where I kindo connect with Annecanthere, because it's like again, that's the character had to be come and not toget back to this point but like like he crossed that line, he cross the line.That's it he's there, like he's, got to go all theway with us. We talk aboutone of the greatest ines wall. Time make mind. I've really watched that movie onereally, it's so good. I can't. I can't remember it. It's really really good. Ithink it was so came, ut the same time as despicable me and so gotovershadowed. Actually it was better better than I liked pcable mee. If youwremoved me, int spicle me, I think e a better movie. I I really likemegaminded it, but it's really interesting right he's the villain andhis whole goal is to kill mister metropolis right and then he que killsonspoiling his movie, So swoi for kids wethat came out ten years ago. He killsmstr metropolis, and so he takes over the city. Metro man, yeah MetromanMetriman. He takes over the city and Anhe's like Y. am I so bored? Why am Iso? Why is why I everything so m? Oh because ie cheep my goal, but my ho,when I actually enjoyed doing whats, fighting Metroman soiend up trying tomake a new metroman a new super hero based on you know, he's like these.These someone who's like this and like this and like this and find someone andtotally misreads him and give some superpowers and he ands a becoming asupervillin B'cause he's like I have all these powers. I should get what Iwant. It was Dona Hill, yeah yeah, this Jona Hill and it kind of looks likeJona Hill too, but it terms out metroman actually just got sick, athing, a superhero, and so he retired an it's like writing terrible songs.You see, like that's, O funny, Thoug, take on as a bad villain right that areright and because again you have to ask yourself tha question: Okkay: Is thisperson just being a villain so that I can watch there BA villain ai gotcontrol? What would he do? Yourest R, a really really great comic KINDOF, goesalong with Simimar lines, absolutely hated. The premise when I came outabsolutely hated it, but it was called the Superior Spiderman and basicallywhat it is up going up to issue. Seven hundred Spiderman dockok is dying. He'sin like he's got. I can't remember exactly what it is, but basically she's Beenhe's been punched in the head by Superhearos, wait to Ma time andhe's just a normal guy, with metalarms kind of the gust of it he's dying, andhe swaps, brains with Spidermam and of Amazing Spiderman. Seven hundredlevents landmark issue is, he succeeds: Witeeman dies in his body and he's justlike okay, I'm Spitaman now, and they do a Syrie Imspaderman. There's likethirty two issues where he is posing as Peter Parker Spwiterman and it'sbasically okay. I killed the hero now. What do I do? And the one kind ofinteresting moment is right before witerman dies, they're kind of he wastrying to swap back S, they're kind of slightly connected mentally his lifeflashes before his eyes and docoas. Basically, Oh, I understand he was acarefut. You could have killed me so many times. You know what I'm going tohonor you I'm going to be a better version and it's just me superior spiisgoing to be the superior Piterman. So it's Golsome, it's like you, take asupervillain character. You kind of throw him into he's, having to be ahero just to kind of get by and watch his progression and it's a really greatseries either die a villain or live long enough. Tos osef to peeom theheropetty Mach, but uncivilized yeah ends up beingreally compelling highly recommended. So there was an interest ing when Ithink I've talked about this 'cause we talke about injustice is a really good,comic, culredeemable and there's a there's, a a companion to that called Muncorruptible SOT. Basically, it's a world of Super Heroes and the mostpowerful superterio whos. I can't remember any of these characters. Names,don't don't get mad at me. Basically, the Superman stand in it opens with him.He goes into a house and there's a kid there and he's like wow he's supermanwhatever and his mom condus like Osh and like tries to hide in away and thenhe they both get vaporized by plazm blast from his eyes. That's like t eopening is he's killing a kid, an his mom that was shocking and then it itopens with. You know, he's just like trashing the world and all the othersuperhear is like. We can't stop him he's more powerful than all of us andliterally he's like sinking an e like an island nation he's like Pushi he'slike pushing into the sea one of the guys like portals in and like? U Comewith me and the Dude Superman guy shows...

...up and is like he can take ten people,and so he so tha the other hero as like. Okay. U You go. I sorry, I can't do anymore, and this is like I can't fight this guy, so I just take ten people andthen everyone else dies, and so it Kindo goes with how the superheroes bantogether and and how they banned together and manage to get him intojail in the sun is apparently like a an alien jail in the heart of the Sun,which were thether gats from and in kind o goes through. All of his and anit slowly reveals, okay, how did he become? He was the world's Gradsuperharow. Why did he become a villain? What happened to make him become likethis and the ending? I don't want to spoil it cause. You should go read it.It's actually really really interesting kind, O cheesy, really interesting and reallyinteresting idea about how how this particular character came intoexistence, how he got his powers and why he turned evil, and you know youknow, T H, arguing about destiny versus choice. There's there's there's some ofthat in there as well, but it's Real, interesting, 'cause ecause. You startwith him being like just the portoniuslly evil, he', just murderingeverybody, and then it goes and says. Okay, here's why he started doing this.Essentially something happened that would have compromised him, and so hejust snaps like it shows the moment where he just snaps and loses it. Andit's like you know what. If I can kill this guy, I can do whatever I want andI'm just going to wreck everything to kind of cover up this thing that he wasso ashamed of. He's like it's better for me to just start killing everybodythat noone finds out about this incident. It was really interesting outof a superhero turned sour butt, like from reverse, that's interesting yeah,so that that was really that I thought that Ou Felon was really interesting. Ithink other movie villains, arguably the bugs and starshipd your pers it' still how much research we did yes,yes, this is a very casual episs, prette, it'SCA aid cash hardest Foll,I'm going to C talk about talk about Arminspogan, O armispell starts with Aris spelt as the village, so he's the main character, but he's absolutely theVillon, which is one of the reasons of the movie. He just baile to wauchbillion reasons. We'll talk about it, I'M GONTA! You need to watch thearmison movie on Disney plus, and I can lown you the books. I re really short:Even you can get through Thomgreg. Okay, Gawe got a o to didn't, realize eyes: okay, ther thereeeght! There are eight of them. You only need to read the first three to to forfor to put the movies badness in context, but I would hope, after whatReadin the first hen, you want er IA, the next ecause. In my opinion, thesecond book is the best, then the fourth and th I'm rank the rest of them,but but you really see the first book he's just straight up a villain andeven like the one good thing he does, the explain was like well, he he didthat to surfic own needs, and so the first bok from the beginningto end he's just a villain and in the second book he's trying to find his dadand ends up running into the fairies 'cause something cuse. Some stuff goesdown with the fairies and they're like who's, the only person we know who'sever taken advantage of us. It's arm, spel he's the bad guy. We got to go,get him and then Yo see him over the course of many many books start tostart to change from being totally self indulgent being like. Okay,you know, I'm still, this super genius, I still kind o want to be a criminal,but maybe I can do it in a way that will benefit humanity, so he has areally interesting art all the way through similar recommendation.Conmicalquis Loki is really fast, eah character. You want Ta check out kindof really good start with them. It's called journey into mystery forbasically loke dies. An a major event comes back as kind of reborn versiom himself.Everybody still expects him to be the trickster he still kind of is but he'strying to do it in a way that's helpful to the world, but it's like a littlekid version of Loki, really great story written by Carrangilan. If I had togive up recommendation, have you guys ever seen? American psycho O have notreally was the book First, Oh, a I'm surprised. You haven't seen it actuallyI'me familiar with his I ony Christian bail like murders. I Munch O prostituteyeah. It's definitely definitely a pretty graphic movie for sure yeah,that's the one, but it's really it's interesting because he's it's like aself narrative. Like l e, you can hear his thoughts like he's talking tohimself the whole time and he's trying to figure out why he he's like thishe's. Just like men like each is super blunt and honest, like with histhoughts where he's just like. So T' it's KINDOF, humorous, there'salso a really interesting twist slash perspective to have on the movie thatmakes it kind of mind blowing it's worth a watch, even though it's Kindolike yeah. It's definitely pretty graphic Li e yeah, murderingprostitutes and stuff. The acting job by him as great him as a villain isinteresting, just because there's almost two ways to see him either well,both of them as a Psychoa American. It's it's actually a really interestingmovie. I recommend watching it he's a really interesting villain. If you dowatch it then come and ask me hey: what's this alternate perspectivebecause a boy your mind? Well, WE WANT...

TO TALK ABOUT VILLAINS FOR THE SAKEofbillins. I think the horror movie genre kind of has a lock down on that,so like micaomeyeres and Freddy and Shar, and like well, they're just thereto for to provide interesting, kills yeah one other thing I was thinkingabout in it's just kind of it's similar, but it's more in the SCIFIGENRE. Youhave like robotic villains, but if Yor like you got the Borg and Star Tradwhat the doles, the Siya doctor Grmatrix now yeah, just not really necessarily malevolentforces Y, I guess the degs Cot Ofthee, have you ever read the fork store or orwash I have no mouth in in a spreen. I have no mouth and I must scream or itsit's a Sifi short story. Don't remember who wrote it I Kdiraov or somehine likethat. But basically it's like this computer aint sentience took over theentire world, killed every human, except for five and spent its daysporturing these five humans, because in gaining sentence it somehow gained aloathing for humans and it explains it's like. I have ten trillion miles ofcircuitry. You know in my core. If the word hate was written on every singlenanameter of every single circuit, it wouldn't be in it wouldn't be atrilliant of the Hay. I feel for humanity 's, it's kind of interesting,it's very dark and pretty bleak. But it's pretty interesting like hey thiscomputer gaies sentes and it freaking hates you. It e Mi all computers against it. Yehas and and the reason its called, I have no mouth and I'm a SCREAMIS 'cause.It turns the final guy into like a gelatinous Blob, so he has no boubtAnhe ans to scream like that. Guy In the x men yeah I own the Matrix. If we're going to talk about RobotiRilans, the Matrix is excellent. It really like Ia've, mentioned thisbefore why the Matrix is, is such an interesting movie to me. L Such aninteresting three movies. I know you don't like the second too. I find I'mwilling to go back and rewatch them. I find them to be interesting. Watch themwith th S. with this in mind, okay, bring the idea in mind most crazy, likealternate whirld movies, where things are just crazy, like the mov, likemovies, don't address the fact that life is crazy enough, like in myopinion, to where you're like okay, there are mutins. Now anybody just kindof figure how to deal with that o. There is this now like Meeraliens, now,there's this in the Matrix. The primary function of the entire movie ischaracters dealing with the fact that they're in the matrix they're likeshoot. What does this mean for purpose? What does this mean for destiny? Whatis this? Do I have free will do I have choice? A the second movie is aboutwhether free will exist like and so like, they're tostling, with, like thereal human issues. That's why I find them so interesting. However, l Ke themachine side as a villain is really interesting, because there is aconversation that neo has with with one of the survivors and they're talkingabout what is control and they're having this dialogue an what does itmean to be in control like we control all these machines and and tthey'rethey're cleaning, our water they're cleaning, our air- and this is usthe're in their hideaway. This is the esion and he's like you have a wee ofcontrol over them, because we can turn them off and he goes reallyt Woll. Weturn them off. We die and Egos so controlled to any S. he's kind oflooking around he's so control doesn't necessarily mean like like we like, weweel on an Everlan us and that becomes thi thing toware at the end. That endsup having to happen because they, the main computer system, has his hugevirus, which is agent Smith and he's like. I can't fix it. I have contr tokill Kinga nals IC. Now I'l try turning it off anon again. I culd kill humansright now because it destroyed Zion and I'm about to finish. I could do it, butif I killed them then I die so I'm kind of relying on them. Even though, atthis current stage I have control and power over them. They in the way havecontrol and power. Ver Me ECAUSE. I need their help, and so it's this backand forth, and the machines trying to deal with that, but it', it's also it'sike an AI. So it's not really a machine. It's essentially Ahuman. I me if it'ssomebody that has its own intelligence and its own thought. It holds promiseso. It also has morals questionworeat the end, like the line. Whether likeare you going to hold your promisees like what am I human anso? No hat is o s that, of course, Nive or Clos Rwere boundbut. 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This is just ridiculous, butif you go in there holding to those things that I told you look for you'llbe like there is some more depth to...

...this movie than I thought. I suppose Ijust think I feel like it's s, some weird shallow depth as move thats, tobe way more philosophical than it has any leg to stand on. Really, you thinkso. I think it has some cool deals with some cool philosophical question: Yeahea we have to e watch, I ben very, very long. I the last time I watchd he. Iwas in high school, so e startd about rewatshing, the Matrix, sequels andthen dedating about Oh yeah. We're definitely going to do that. Like wh N,whenever makes, is forcomes opt we're GOIN NA WAC, all of them and we'regoing to talk about them for sure, yeter, Um, yeah, so bracking, my brains,trying to think of villains M ith, the silons in battlestart Li I was, I wasactually going to go there. I was going to ask about battlesor because theythey're they're. Really it's really interesting because you have like thetwo types: Asylums Right: you have the spoilers, you have the the Robo Silensand then you have the human silence which you know. How silent are they ifthey look identical to humans and act like humans and are essentially thesame intelligence, loblas humans? It's like they're, thy'rethey're, H, ty're,they're humans, but they're also asylums and they can reproduce B'cause.We have a half human hale silen baby. So so at that point, are you still aSilon, or are you just a human with this fancy name thinking a reallyinteresting job where it was like? There's this battle? That's been goingon for forever the Silens W Okayhadn't. It start again that was always fuzzy tome. Was it the silence, revolted or did they or they were they alien? I believethey were alien. I don't remember how it started. Yeah so especially B'causebaster la kind of sticks, Soe many ASRESSD and has like big flashbacks,but we know that silens were already on earth and we're involved in the fall ofearth or not Earth Ito. They go to Earth whatever planet. They were on, Ithink I think it was similar matrix like you know, robot uprising, whatever,which it it's something: I've always wonderd about the star wars. UERS, it'slike. Why do you need your translator, joy to be sensient w? Why do you needthis? Why do you need these joycs to have independent thought? OKAYIF, it'slike a battle computer and he needs to run somulations and calculate okay. Ihedoes this. What do you do pe this this? What do you do if they do this?What you do you know maybe? But if it's like, I need you to translate for me.Why does that robot need to be sentent? You need funny side, character,NSOTAT's, exactly WHA. I mean yeah like Oh. You have this stroy that helps youin your ship. You K Ow generalwee estroyed. Why does it need to besentient because the only place that leads is Ma Matriks? Maybe it's becauseyou know that's the only other person on your ship and it's reallyinteresting. Bey Tus do because starwards, werepatelyb and starsrepeatedly talks about joyds not be abitter than Solo yeah, an episode too.I Mao Conversation on decks and multiple things are like droids or notpeople it figur. You know e difference between knowledge and WFOM and apparently in all the movies.The MILINGAM Falkin Falcon has been Sentien Iowe're in a tow on Ang ot teVail, befores tha move. I idn't think it was horrible.I just think honestly Kinda like rise scorer or force AAs. I think it triedtoo hard, which is a weird thing complain to have Autuma. He didn't misson the areas that I was afraid it was going to like the actual character whoplayed Han like he seemedseems like he seemed t like onsol looked like him.Well done, I thought that Lando was was done pretty well and he he 's a littlemore flam boynt than he had to me. Like ECAUSE N was a flboyin character, but Iwas like, like it. Diesn't like there was a couple of things in the line, butoverall I thought Chid Js Am Ota good yeah. The problems with like the castlerun and an Lilniam folk at Ow. He got his Nan and his droid and how we metJabacca and the fact that there's this other girl and a d and or ashoand thatthe good guys were all little children anddidn't. You know that the thing thatSAR wor fans have always wanted as an origin story for absolutely everyaspect: Onso life, Amr Drobe, andoas. What fan diction is for itwas like rise. We didn't see how hechose his hair SOE. You didt see picking out imperial hairgree ors talking, wookie we've, never men! Why would we have him start yeah? I always I always assume that wasbecause they spent so much time. Toge AD e just learned w that that shouldn'ta a assension like hey like I first I did' understand, but slowly. I'velearned looking as we've been together for so long. That kind of speaks to thedepth of their friendship. Not I met this guy and I can speak wokit'd belike rocket in the next guardians movie. Just I have group Y II sloki Don Day, TA obano Yeah Villains. there. There are somethere's some some good ones out there, a D A it. It's funny, you know I'm kindof torn, whether it's better to have a mysterious villain or one where youkind of know. Why they're doing what they'redoing, because Palpntin was agreat villain in the Ot and he you know likethis guy comfortaitle he's eallypowerful he'swell. I think that worked because they they ESTABTISHEDSA VATERand then like, and he answers to this Sgy the whole snap, and then they triedto do that with snoke and it didn't work for Snoke, because Hilo was likewhos. This CA, throwing forest antrums...

...they're very scary, iheer CIGLREN's rips he's got like aline. Pack. Rey has for scam, orse face time, call wintthrough S Surtus yeah, but I appreciate I appreciate villains, who, who aresomewhat sympathetic and Rei? I can see weight did that, but maybe youshouldn't do it that way. I do think you know too often it comes down toeither here on the Billand ir just like well w. You know we came this far. Wemight as well fight to the day or it comes to the Oky. This happened in mnational treasure to SA National trager tod EA yeah, so the villain is thevillains. The whole time then right at then he's like okay, you guys leaveAlli'll, Sir Pris Myselfly, I'm sorry what your entire characterist bin. Idon't care about. You guys you're gon. To do what I tell you, I'm going tokill you lothis kin at at the end. He's like okay, you know what you'reactually the main character. So, U Know I'm a secondary, so you know and theyhad to live for national treasure. Three. Is that happening? I have noidea, I dn'tthink I ve heard, but they could tink n other treasure ince. Itcame outft like what have we got? Okay, we got get the hurter HAV TTAK emwayfrom idpaprime minister of micronasia. Okay, on that take a seat, chancellor, all right e. let us know what whatbillains you thought were. The most compelling were the les or the LeastCompel Yeah Okay e didnt talk about who do we thing was were bad villains. Imean I love the Marvele movies, but most of Theiryeah, just somebody whogot their suit or their power for a little while e, a darker fellection ofthe hero, that's evil yeah, the bad guy I mean do we want to goback to the star wars like I started with, I led with that. As far as Icreet a bad villain, look at the star, worse movies, like th, there was no vil.There was no fear any every time they showed up anywhere. They got theirasses handed to them. It was never scariness until episode, nine, whereyou had nine thousand Tartish Jories that could below up planets and theyalso died in a Ye and ye, and yet owletine was like we're just going tolet them hover where they could get knocked. I don't understand, why wouldyou not put them in Space Hattes? There is just far too much tohate H, anyways, excluding the worst movie Jiligia ever created M ti ti TT. Really. You Watch twilight, okay, thatwas in ytrology. There was an netrality on and I enjoyed it more than stors S, O dude.I it's because I have less value of like I didn't care that they jawroocharacters, but I go a villain that really just didn't work. I guess, ifI'm going to go back to bleach after the ies an arc right each you go likeyou, go nises and face off you: U Lose as powers and then you're like okay.Well, that's the end of the is the end right and Leh, the guy who red les,like Ohia more money and like another hundred two hundred chapters with thisvillain, who came out of nowhere who is e's related to one of the characterswe're familiar with, but he literally comes out of nowhere and he is morepowerful than everyone and beats everyone so to death. It's an animayeah that what you're saying yeah yeah well, but it's like you, St you, endedon a really good art and then you just gn be like who, who is this guy andHeglimy, starts calling himself Ya away? ND, I'm like Ra back off bacoth. Sorry, he cause hemself. Youwalk like really Um. I don't know I feel, like you, can find a lot of badlywritten villains in T V shows 'cause. They have to pump out so many yeah likelike in dragon balls, either Lendi Din er, just like this, is a villain to theSik of being a villaind like he's just he's not even posing. What is this notgiving you for us? Like I mean, like you, can argue like Broly, which arelike you know. Everybody loves those movies because, like they're fun, butin reality, proaly is just a essentially a baby. Throwing a Temperatdoesn't understand like it's power too great, so they have to shut. Is itsperceow, yeah and they're just trying to fight him and stop it's really funto watch because he's overpowered and like all these secre hairs have to stophim, but at the same time there's nothing compelling bout. I I know heonly gets better every time he comes and Helso just like Mbo them like amillion times M, and so like he's, not a compelling well written villain atall, but the T v shows do that all the time. I wonder if there's a movie thatstands on a origional really cor billin, I'm trying to think of what I can. Imean the amazing bye man. Two. I pointed that out, yeah like Ybillin,just like he was just a nice idomean, three spima three, there was l, I meanAnan, Xmen, three Kidush yeah and ah the FANTASIC for Rebon. Howdo you want to do do thatdf to Dr Doom? Do My boy dirden? I was thanking aboutdoctor doom and it's nobody. Part of the problem is nobody understands whothat character is supposed to be yeah and not even the writers understand Ake.Is He a villain? Is He an Anta Hero? Is He sympathetic? Is He just Pur evil? Itvaries. FOM issued to osh you within the same run doctor Dom shouldbasically be at his best a combination...

...of oistark doctor, strange and ReedRichards and all of their egos yeah. That's essentially what he's supposedto be and then he's like, but he's also crazy. THAT'S WH! Guess you could argue thatlactually they ar as R in medias as like as terrible. So it doesn't line upwith his care. IMLIKE luther injustice, League th, the Justice Lik show lexLuther is, is you know constantly he he just hates supermaso. Everythinghe's done is trying to take down the supermatbut and he gets really close,but then his oation changes when he meets Bringat and it's reallyinteresting 'cause. He like merges with brainheact, and he comes this typerintelligence and then loses that and so, as motivation shifts to. I just want toget bringing it back so the whole reason he joins the League of villains.Was it the injustice to they call? I it was CA. Remember I I think they did theinjustice league and then they did a secret socity Gov society. I think, butin other they were ID legion, whichever one they were calling themselves right.'cause, it's it's not thereal Gr. It's basic realy road girl grade starts itand t gets luther onboar. Ga Ratan, smart and luther is like hallucinatingbraina. This whole motivation is, I need to get back to that level ofintelligence, so luther they did an interesting job of shifting hismotivation, while keeping him an answeing villain and one of the thingsthat's really interesting about Luthor is even the end of the Justice leageshow when that doesn't work out for him. He's like okay and a lot of the othervillains are like. We got TA fight on the side of the heroes, because wecan't profit if the worlds SASRIGHT, which one last comic recommendationforgreat forvillain's episode. It's a RU. It's a story called forever evil. Itgoes out of a terrible event called trernity war, but basically the end ofthat is all of the there's three justice leagues in the comics of thetime. All of them disappear. 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