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Dearly Debated

Episode 11 · 2 years ago

Episode 10 - WE'RE NOT WEARING HOCKEY PADS

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We're talking about arguably the most popular superhero of all time: THE BATMAN! Nathanael is the night, Greg reveals his secret identity, and Moderator Jason adopts the dark!

But what are you doing? You're completely outnumbered here. Are you nuts? You want to get nuts? Come on, let's get nuts, because I just wrote a song about how they keep calling your butts in the darkest sky as the coolest out right back Swiss. This is what the fun is. Welcome to the the debated the show where you're entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong. I'm your host. No, no, no, and then and then, and then, and then, and then, and then Nathaniel Levinson, and I am Greg where's Harvey? Friends? And I am vengeance. I am that night, I am Jason Day. Excellent. So, as you might have anticipated, we've got a we've chosen our topic for the day. But before we get into that, I actually once again lightning struck. was in Pennsylvania and when I got back this was on my desk. It's a memo from an alternate dimension. So this is it's been having an alternate dimension. Peace was officially declared in the Middle East as all parties found common ground in their love of backstreet boys. Noted Philanthropist Mamoud Ahmad Ninijad said. Our discussion was getting heated when net Ya, who's phone went off, as ring tone was. I wanted that way. We all agreed. There's no way we could hate people with such great taste in music. A twenty four hour rate was held in celebration. George Lucas was knighted for his work on the Disney Star Wars trilogy. After a rocky start, Lucas created the peerless prequel trilogy, which most people remember for the lovable Darth Jar Jar. The sequel trilogy somehow surpasses those films in every aspect. Ebert called this, called them a flawless cinematic masterpiece. Of particular note was the middle movie, directed by Blue Haired Wonder Robert Prinz. The first sith astounded viewers by its wow. Whoever, in an alternate dimension, wrote this has terrible entern I'm sorry. The first sith astounded viewers with its cohesiveness and high quality. Well, you're welcome, Greg from a different dimension when he goes by Robert. Oh, his name is hard all right. So today we are talking about to jog about that? That's a good all right. We're talking about the one in the only, probably, probably the best superhero ever created. Is Excellent Superhero. He might the bad man. I am the Batman. All right, so we'RE GOING TO WE'RE gonna turn it over to Jason Daniel, who is our comics experts and also our moderator, specifically Batman ex production. Yes, also also the Batman experts. Yeah, you guys have listened to previous episode, you may have noticed that two out of my top five movies were Batman movies, another one with spider man movie. Will get into that lip, but I figure we get start off just really quickly, just talking about the history of Batman, eighty years old as of last year. After copy first less of the man character originally debuted, created by Bob Kane and bill finker back in nine hundred and thirty nine. Shortly thereafter they introduced things like utility Bell Batter Rings. Robin debuted a couple issues later and well, Batman debut and Detective Comics Twenty seven. By thirty eight they had robin. It's went off into a solo series. Joker and catwoman appeared and for a fatman comic and all that happened really really quickly. Just kind of took the world by storm, you know, and from there on out the character was at that point the character was kind of dark and gritty like we see him today, actually carried a gun. So begin with a lot of enemies were killed by him or died pretty quickly. Remember, we talked about the very, very first addition, the first Batman was the first batters of the detective comics one, but he's Hugo strange. Makes a bunch of hulking monstrosity and so Batman kills all of them. It's like it's better for them to die than to live like that. Yeah, it's one of the early stories. There's one already like hangs a guy from the batplane. Yeah, we're a monster from the batplane. He's like, well, it is what it is. I just okay, so I remember. So I was going through all the I decided, Oh, I'm just a reading Batman from Batman Number One, and I it was fun. It's it just like the just how comics were in the S. and you know, I've Batman S al it very palpy, very for bose. Yeah, very wordy, lots of ridiculous...

...things happening and lots of shock of them going and then spewing exposition. Well, that's why Robin was actually created. They needed Batman, needed to Watson to explain all this great detective stuff too, and what all was going on off Pan, all those great things. But yeah, it was really dark to begin with. The joker was basically like a gangster, but Batman kind of just fought like colorful gangsters. Is kind of how I also appreciate how, in the Dark Knight Heath Ledger's joker actually references the original joker was. He had a very specific laugh. He would laugh ha ha he he ho Ho, yeah, yeah, and so there is a scene for seeing walks and he the first time you see Oh, yes, first time you see them, ha ha ha hey, hole. And I thought my jokes were bad, but I just I just remember, I don't know, maybe like the almost a hundred in and there was like this like a PSA announcements telling kids to not do crime. I'm and it was an entire page of just single singles line space text. It's the wall of text of Robin and Batman being like listen up, kids, don't do drugs and go out and beat criminals. They're going to get what they deserve. And thought about it. I was just like okay, so part of that was the character, like I said, started out really dark. When Robin was introduced, as when they kind of started softening him out and making it more of like a traditional superhero. And that kept going until one thousand nine hundred and fifty four. There's a book published called Seduction of the innocent, basically bland comic books for all friends evil in the world. That was when. I have a book about that book called the ten sent plague, yes, which I haven't read yet. So, but basically that led to the formation of the Commos Code Authority and that's why, nine s s Batman went from just being kind of silly comic stuff too, like there was barely any violence, like everything had to kind of go through this commiss code thing. Everybody was afraid of the Commis Code Authority denouncing them. There wouldn't be able to sell their books anymore. And Batman kind of went into this realm of SCI FI. So some of the stuff I think you were talking about right before the show, where he starts fighting aliens, traveling through time as page long PSA announcements about don't do drugs, kids, you know, all that kind of stuff. So that kept going. That's when we got like bat might aace, the bad hound. We introduced Batman and bat girl, not the one you're thinking of, and all this continues on all the way through the s, the characters kind of dying. In one thousand nine hundred and sixty four, they just try and take a swing back towards the detective stuff, but it's too little, too late. And the only thing that really save Batman coming at that point was they said well, let's make a TV show, and so then you got Batman Sixty six, which we did the theme song for just a minute ago, and that's when you kind of the kept popularity the character that show, even though it's kind of campy and fun and kind of ridiculous. S TV is what save the character, kept the comics from getting canceled and then kind of helped it survive until nineteen the S, when they were able to just kind of go back into those dark detective stories. Yeah, and that was basically what you're saying. Is started out little gritty. You know, Batman running around, don't make me get you commic code forty comes in and there like she's getting all the hot exactly is dis good, and then they're like, okay, you gotta, you gotta chill out. Comics alike. Don't less to me. I'll be one and and commics Code Authority. Try It. You should have the Jedi way. You should only be able to speak in memes from Star Wars from this far and they yeah, and so you know, it gets it gets a little. It's a little kind of he's too dangerous to be dangerous kind of chill. They chill out a little bit. The chill out a little bit and then, and then finally they bring it back. And I killed them all, every single one of them. They're like animals and I slaughted them like animal. That's more like, more like the joker maybe. I don't know. You never, he never quite gets back to that killing. Yeah, it at least not until. I just remember my favorite one, which, when I read it, correctly, and then I look up that it was a real thing, that I didn't hallucinate it. So the jokers like, Oh, I'M gonna Make Batman slip up in a way that that you know. You know, I'm gonna make him look bad on in the public newspaper, in the public eye, except the way he phrases it. He says, I'M gonna make Batman commit a boner. Yep, and so the entire thing is about Batman's boner. It's like and then the joker messes. I went to the newspaper in the comic Prince of thing about Joker's big boner and he's like what my voter? No, should be Batman's boner. Like he's happening? When that like the Sho yeah, Oh, what a time to be alive. and has the infamous boneer issue. Oh it was a boner issue. Yeah, was. It was excellent. Also, Joker's Joker's plans were always just the most...

...ridiculous things, like how are you profiting from this? Like literally one he there's one. He was doing it. They were like harmless pranks, but somehow they led to him to accomplish you something he likes. Stole everyone's telephones or or did something super innocuous and somehow it was part of a bigger plan that actually profited him. So everyone was just like yeah, whatever, we don't need he stole buttons. I don't remember, I don't know what it was, but he was stealing something like were. He stings ups don't like the most low key crime and somehow we became somehow it was some bigger scheme and I was like, Dude, well, I don't understand what you need to do. The small crime for whilst one of the, you know, most famous joker stories is actually called the laughing fish and he makes smiling fish and then he tries to patent them and sell them gets really upset when he can't do that. And that was I believe that was in the S, so that was when they were trying to bring it back to more serious stuff. But yeah, the jokers always crazy. But from the s it kind of kept going with the darker, more detective style Batman. Again. You had art writers like Danny O'Neil are so, like Neil Adams, that were kind of bringing it back, kind of forming the Batman that we see today, and that kind of kept going. The sales are starting to slack off again until the s when Frank Miller released the dark knight returns, which is has been made into an animated movie, but it's basically considered one of the top, probably one of the top two graphic novels of all time, with watchman up there as well. Really reinvented the character kind of brought out all of those darker elements. You got to see an old man Batman fight superman, really cool stuff, and then that just kind of continued. Frank Miller did year one, which I think is probably the best origin story for Batman. They also made a movie about that and it just kind of kept getting darker. One thousand, nine hundred and eighty eight they did death of the family, killed off Jason Todds Robin. They also did the killing joke crippled Barbara Gordon. That's a really dark Batman story but a great joker origin. And then from there on out we start getting into the multimedia. Next year, thus, nine hundred and eighty nine, the first Batman movie comes out. Well, the first nine s Batman movie. There was the one Thousan nine hundred and sixty six Batman movie, which is the best. Yeah, well, I mean some days you just don't get rid of a bomb. Fantastic, what a good what a good movie. I mean if you and I think it was. When I watched that I thought it was just Oh, Adam, let's just played him super canpy, but then I went back and read the comments I was like no, no, he's playing it exactly like it is in the comics. Yeah, but Bona and and what is it? Bridges, Meredith is a penguin. Wow, yes, and the riddler has to but my favorite part about that is the riddler will give them riddles right and they'll say it and then robin will instantly solve it, like you don't know, any time to think about it. They don't you any time to say, wow, that's a Robert, just instantly, instantly. And some of them are like here what goes up white and comes down yellow and white and a okay, fine, that what weighs three ounces, lives in the tree and it's extremely dangerous, a sparrow with machine gun. I think of that. Yep, and I don't even remember how that clue helped them. Well, the great the great thing is there's not really any logic to how they deduce it, because he'll give him like three clues. They'll go through that to be all. They're like, well, he's obviously, you know, at the Gotham Chemical Factory. He's atching a plan right now. We need to go stop. They really just you hear the wind in the background. Yeah, it's good. East and handful and audio clarify. There's a duct in the background telling us what are here. That's that's my favorite Batman movie. I mean, I don't think it's the Best Batman movie, but it's my favorite. It's the one I would like. Okay, you can. You can only watch one Batman movie for the rest of your life. I'm taking that one. Sorry, darn night. I love the Dark Knight, but I love that Batman movie. It is a lot of the man. Seen it it's like, Oh, it's everything that's great about the nineteen sixty six TV show Julie is cramped into like an hour and a half. And Oh, I love that Lego Batman movie of Reference. And that really one weird time in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six and just adamist like dancing in his bad suit. Yeah, but that the I've Gon Spoil this movie a little bit. So the pod the movie is it's like the joker, the Penguin, the riddler at Wall tatwoman and do bes. No, that might just in them todays. was actually never in the nineteen sixty six Batman. Yeah, but he so. Their whole plan is they come up with this machine that can dehydrate people. And so first of all they use it to invade the bat cave, as they anguin like the it. You just get that part their whole plan is they steal, they kidnap the entire UN by dehydrating them and putting them in these little vials, and then Batman Robin rescue them and then spilled, like break all the vials, and so they like sweep them up and put them back in them. When they reconstitute everyone, first of all they have the the reconstitution happens. They got like test tubes on ring stands, so giant metal rods, and then the people just appear. The metal rod didn't go anywhere. So those people have metal rods in their butts now. Sorry, I mean it is the UN, it is the it, but everyone speaking a different language and think it's like that. That means like Robin will be maybe have done today, may have been the single greatest advance in peace ever, like, but they...

...still don't understand each other. And if you listen to them, they're literally all talking about world peace and they literally saying world peace, or like you're not saying anything to just saying world peace, world peace, world peace, world he's a different languages. You like? If this what happens at the you had a good meetings, you like. All right, world peace, world peace. The other great thing is like, even when the villains are coming in, they're just setting there arguing, pretty much completely ignoring him the whole time, until they're all dehydrated. It's what you know, world peas. What else is there? Also, even my brother Ethan mentioned that. I should probably say that almost all of these bound clips who under against me are from the Youtube Poop darth's and trilogy, which is fantastic and you should go see it's no, no, it's because I'm so in love with you. I want to know that those are actually I mean, I took them from that good, but that's actually an engrating yes, it's a great, great us, it's it is, but yeah, so, so I think one thousand nine hundred and sixty six Batman I have been the first Batman I've ever thought. Okay, and that was actually well, I'll get back to them just one second. Moving back, just finishing out our timeline really quick. Yet one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine Batman really great, actually really kind of the popularity of the character, like intensely multiplied that, which led into Batman the animated series. Right get into talking about kind of the definitive voices for Batman, the joker. Some really great stuff there, and then it's kind of quiet multi media wise, until two thousand and five when the Nolan Trilogy Kicks Off and we'll talk about that. And then two thousand and sixteen we end up with Batman v Superman. We can talk about Bat Fleck a little bit. Greg's making a really excited face. You talk about bath lack Bathley, and then of course we already talked about the Lego Batman movie in two thousand and seventeen and you know there's future plans as well, a lot of other animated series in there. But he's directly these technically in young justice to yeah, the character that's existed in a lot of different ways, you know, from the camp in the silly with the sixty six to the LEGO and all the way up till, you know, wanting to murder people or hanging them from his airplane. You know, all kinds of great stuff. So but it's a great buys great yeah, it's Great Guy. So one of my first questions was what was your first experience with Batman and you were talking about it being in the one thousand nine hundred and sixty se pretty sure it was the TV show that was my first experience with Batman. Really needn't grow up with the S one. I mean I did, but because my dad watched, because he would watch boomerang. It was on boomerang. No, don't know that. There was US. There was the TV channel that specifically played only lashes. Yeah, TV win. So my dad would watch TV and all the time. So you know, I grew up on like rifleman and Bonanza and Andy Griffith show and then Batman. Yeah, my I'm West Batman, but the Real Batman. My first experience is with like, honestly, was I don't even know if it was with through like, through media. I probably probably had toys and like and played trying to think there was a video game I played. I had a Batman t shirt that I loved. Yes, got weird, but it was definitely as far as whatever media I was consuming Batman through, first was definitely the s TV show, which, you know, theme song still in my head and, my opinion, still the best depiction of Batman, at least my favorite depiction of Batman, I should say. Yeah, those were like that whole series is amazing. Yeah, and I'm right along the same lines. I had my dad was a youth pastor and there was a guy in the youth group of the time. I was, you know, a little kid, but I would come out go along on these trips and he was really in the Batman but he would like get me the toys and stuff. You talked to me about it, but the first time I really got into it was just Saturday mornings watching Batman the animated series on Warner Brothers, so kids wb yeah, because I was legit. It was really good stuff. Okay, so I figured we can, like you were saying, kind of talk a little bit about each incarnation we had. We talked a little bit about Batman Sixty six, which which can I just say first of all, it Adam West comes back as the voice of serve, several characters in in Batman thing things, but in the fairly oddparents he plays Catman, yes, who is like, you know, was a thin almost did this in the animated series with a great ghost. Yeah, it was this. He's like Super Goofy, where he was a TV star. He played catman and now he thinks he's Catman and so he's just running around being Catman, wearing the costume and it's being ridiculous. But it's voiced by Adam West and I love that. Adam West had that sense of humor. Be Like I was this icon and I don't have to take myself seriously. Look who's all these things making fun of that icon. I'M gonna go on with that. Yeah, and rest of the Hes, he did return as the gray ghosts. He actually, I think he always the mayor and another Batman Cartoon. I think it's the Batman,...

...but he came back. You, basically anytime they would all ask him to do voice work, he'd come back, yeah, and do a special guest appearance or play a character. And he was in in the fairly oddparents. He was TV's Adam West. Yes, that's what the other for him, everything was TV's Adam West. That's really outturnis great. Anyway. Yeah, talking about the fairly upends. Talk About Batman. Yeah, Batman Sixty six basically pretty much introduced the mainstream audience to the character and it was obviously it was a very accessible show. It's just like you can sit down and enjoy it and it's silly. Hm, you know, it was reliable and you can watch it the next week, same bad time, same Sametime, saying bat channel, you gotta and it, you know, brought into little deliity, do a little spinny thing, the spinny transitions, and did a lot of stuff. That's that you'll see a television a lot today. And that batmobile. That's one of the I like that Batmobile. MM. It's the crazy turbine thing and more think about different with Bami. No, it was that was. It was that one. It was the red and black one, open, open top. was like I remember reading an article because Jay Leno apparently has one and it has some sort of weird like rotary engine and idols at two our PM, but it has a jet server. Yeah, but if it literally has a jet engine in it and it they did a really good job picking a car that looked very distinct so that people would be like, oh, that's the batmobile. It was a very distinctive car on like like James Bond would always drive, you know, like BMW's and Audis and things that were lay cars and that that just happen to have miss lumps said much yeah, and injector seats, but they picked a very distinct they did a good job. They found a car that basically no one bought. It did not sell well and so it became a batmobile and nobody knows it as oh, that one car, it's the BATMOB. With that anything else say? On Sixty six, Batman scissor Romano refused to shave his mustache that so you can see his clown makeup painted over his mustache that he refused to shave. They actually a couple years ago they did in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six, like Lego Batman set is like for adult collectors as the mansion with the batcave underneath, and they include him and you can actually see the little painted on mustache on the minifigure. I thought that one of the best details. It's pretty good the and I mean he's a good joker, he's fun, he's manic all the all the actors. Obviously, again it's very campy, but all the actors did a good job defining their characters and you can tell they're really enjoying oh yeah, then yeah again, a lot of the cast, Burt Ward, will come back and do stuff. He actually just did a cameo and the WB's infinite crisis thing. Oh cool. Recently Julie Newmar will come back and do catwoman and stuff. They actually a few years ago, before Adam lest passed away, they did two animated movies with him, Burt Ward and Julie Newmar, where it was Batman, return of the Cape Crusaders, sat in the same thing and then they did one turn. Remember the title of his Batman in two face, basically introduced like one thousand nine hundred and sixty six version of two face. Yeah, and I feel like the the closest that Batman's come back to the spirit of the sixty six Batman other than lego movie, was Batman the brave in the bold, which really was they were really was a love letter to all of Batman and and DC in general. But it's it be kind of embraces that campiness, that goofiness. I enjoyed breatman the brave and bold quite a bit. It's basically a kind of a love letter to that six s time period. That's fifty stories and all the DC universe as well. You could see him teaming up with modern old characters, but all in that like sci Fi pulpy can't be style. Yeah, and it was outrageous. Right, just ended at everyone had a cold open that was its own, like very short, a minute mini story, which I appreciated. That wasn't anet to the episode at all. And then, well, how about the eighty nine Batman movie? I don't know that I've seen that. Okay, that's that weight which. Okay, so I get all the the Batman movies between sixty six and the one confused. I've seen the one with Bain, okay, and I thought it was really dumb. Yeah, that is I don't think I saw the one with Jack Nicholson as the joker. Okay, I actually only watch that just recently, which is a shameful as Batman Ban I've had owned it for years. But there's really great Greg's you ever see? I'm Batman. No, I saw the one with Schwarzenegger's Mr Freeze. Is that that was the one thing, right? Yeah, okay, was not good. Yeah, that was the worst out of all. That was that was something we wouldn't talk all toime about it just because I was like the movies not very good. Well, have them. All of this and that was. That was bad nipples, right, Yep, yeah, well, that nipples actually debuted in the one before that. So we can at Robin. Okay, and this one was bad. That was so that was Batman forever. Yes, Batman from over seas me. Batman forever debuted the Bat Nipples and Robin, and then Batman and Robin was the terrible final one. Okay, so that's the one I've seen, the really bad one, and I was like what is happening? And then later it confused me a lot because when they were like, oh, banes coming in for Dark Knight Rises, and I, you know, looked up the character of Bain, so he was that...

...screamy guy in Batman forever or whichever one I watched, right, and it's like, Oh, bat you know, bane is a genius and and also Hispanic, like that was the ban I saw. How did they get that so wrong? It's like, but what here are? Here are banes traits. He's right it up, he's incredibly intelligent and he's Hispanic. They're like, well, one out of three ain't bad, right. Yeah. Well, and that movie, it's like it was basically let's all the action figures. We yeah, because they had Batman Robin, they introduced back girl, they had poison ivy, they had Mr Free and he's had ripping. Everyone is here. Batman got a second suit to fight Mr freeze, you know, so they could sell more toys. We all well and I want to see you. There's not the worst thing things about that is that was Mr freeze up until Batman Animated Series Right, dying ice puns just not reallyriting much of a character. Yeah, we don't need to talk about too much about the kid further ones. But what's started really strong with Batman. Or was that Batman? Eighty nine was Keaton Batman. He came back for Batman returns, which was the one with catwoman on the Penguin? Okay, and then I'm trying to think the well casting for Stein, Still Batman, for the one with Bang, which would know which was Batman and leave that was looney. It's that's the Cooney one. Okay, yeah, and I'm trying to remember who is it was Keaton, Keaton, and then everybody else in Colo. So I saw. I managed to see out of the form. It's to see the worst one go. ME. It's been a long time since I've seen the rest of them. But eighty nine is really good. Basically, you know, it's directed by Tim Burton. Kind of introduces you to the character of Batman, does an origin story for the joker. It's kind of its own thing, but it's Jack Nicholson's joke, which particular skull Oker and and Joker's boner. He was a character named Jack Napier. He's basically a gangster becomes the joker over the course film, but it kind of builds off of some of that darker stuff that they were doing. You know, Dark Knight returns all that kind of stuff and basically takes all those preconceived notions about Batman being Adam West and basically only being able to be a comedic character and throws him out the window for the mainstream, mainstream audience right kind of preps some to be ready for the rest of but yeah, Keaton doesn't really great job. Nicholson does a really good job. If you're not going to watch any of the rest of them, I'd say go back and check out Keaton's Batman because he may be coming back in future Batman movies, apparently. Now. Did you see Birdman? I have not seen for man, so Birdman is Michael Keaton. It basically implying that he's gone through the same park. Like his character is not the same mark. He was this this famous superhero and these old movies called Birdman and then he's kind of washed up now trying to run a theater. Edward Norton's in it. It was a really rid movie and it was filmed. It's not actually a sigle shot. See over as a single shot. Sites don't come again. I watched the first half of it. I got exhausted and it was actually good. It was very weird and Zach Alfanakis was like actually enjoyed him in that. So usually I do. Usually don't enjoy the characters that he plays, but he was actually really that that. Do you feel about him as the joker? Oh, oh, that okay, so that was great. He's a great slow he's a great US actor. Yeah, and then of course Michael Keaton and plays a bird man and then act a class as evil bird man in the spider man but or he does a great job. He's one of the best villains. Yeah, yeah, they do in the Dultras, like such a load to your villainy. Well, Batman, I mean I feel like the two spider man anyone has been involved up? Yeah, we with Oh, yeah, character. Yeah, that. They haven't even used big names. They've been save it for, they say, favorite for the fighter man in pepohope stay for the spider man episode. Well there. Yeah, so, but I think the main thing is with eighty nine. It is pretty great. Go back and I'd recommend going back and watching it. said all that, it's on DC universe. It is. I believe I watched on DC universe. It may not be now, it may be on HBO Hobo Max. I think I content out of there. I pretty sure there's going to shut down DC universe and just switch over to Hobo Max, but we'll see. I think they may end up combining them because I don't think Hbo Max Wants All the comics, and that's kind of why most people haven't nowadays. Right, right. So then that was what led into my favorite version of Batman, which is Batman the animated series. I think if you're interested in getting into the character Batman, the animated series is probably the best place to start, and that whole no, hold on, I got this any Elfman, right, wrote this? Yeah, I don't know. That was the extent. I mean, I did. I actually get these Sund okay, my bad, guys. Where's the Oh, here it is, Du Dude, Dud Dud Dudu. I could just singing for you. Good, anytime you have I think. I feel like horns are so under used as just like building, just sperience. Well, one of the cool things is they...

...actually got a full orchestra for basically the whole soundtrack to the show, which was unheard of an animation at the time. Yeah, and in the the batmobile is clearly styled after the sixty six one. It's got the really long and the kind of jet engine in the back. This is that. This is the the musical note I love. Right here, criminal's eyes go wide, man dropped, and you also so, I think one of the first joker episodes, the one where he's making the the mind control garbage rafts. Yep, and he has a robot henchman. I get chills every time that that F that last horn piece. I love it so much. Yeah, but what's weird about that episode, and I think it's the only episode that does this, but it goes to this weird like jazz song beat thing, a whole episode. It's really weird, like he lives in the backs. Look at Dud Dud Dude, Dud Dud du Everyone's doing their actions to the be the music, and it's the only episode. Yeah, it's so it's so weird when they're affected by the joker. Yeah, I was trying to place where you're talking about, but yeah, it's because they're very happy. Yeah, and crazy, but yeah, that's what introduced. Kevin Conroy is Batman and he basically has been Batman ever since through some great video games we may end up plugging a little bit later, but Mark Hamill as the joker, and both of those we're kind of they'd never really done much as far as voice acting before. They ended up showing up for this and kind of made that made whole careers out of it. Yeah, Kevin Conroy was basically just stage actor beforehand. You know, Mark Hamill has been in like some small movies called like star wars or something. You know, he was a nobody. I mean, yeah, right, but that was kind of his intro into voice acting and he's gone on and done a lot, whole lot, I don't know. And well, well, I thought it was funny. was when he was on Arrow as the trickster. HMM, I was like, wait, is that the joker? Because he's literally playing the joker. Well, and he he's actually replied reprising his role from the original s flash TV show when he's doing the trickster. Well, he was the trickster in that too. Yeah, so he also voiced the trickster in Justice League. Yeah, as well. Yeah, which one of my favorite scenes is flash with the trickster in the Bar, and we won't get into that right now, but people, they need a wise up and and make a movie with old joker and Cass Mark Hamill as a live action version of joker. That would blow people's fine. What I've what I've wanted them to do for years, is they're talking about doing a Batman beyond movie. That's probably what they're bring and Keaton back for, which I think is like the second best thing, the doing a Batman beyond movie and just having Kevin Conroy as old man Batman. He does kind of look the's a little scrawny, but he does look like old man Badman. Yeah, and he actually kind of play that role in again, the CW crossover. He was an older okay, I need to I need to go back. So I dropped off of all these shows because they got got to sew. M Batman technically shows up in well, Bruce Wayne shows up in titans and he's played by a guy from game of thrones. Right, I haven't gotten that fun idea. I don't want you can. Let's see. But yeah, so the animated series does a lot of really cool stuff. Introduced the character Harley Quinn, who has become just increasingly popular ever since the point that they tried to give her her own movie franchise. Yeah, I didn't work, but they have given a really great, really great show, really great animated show. Also made MR freeze into a character. took him from you know, nice to meet you, I'm going to steal diamonds because their ice, you know, all that kind of stuff, into that's like it look like, into a character that has, you know, his dying wife. He US based in tragedy, gives him an origin that makes him into an interesting character they've basically just used ever since. Yeah, he went from a ondimensional bill villain to a sympathetic Antihero, although at some point you're like, okay, you know that Batman is the world's greatest detect did you know he has access to the Justice League and you Neverman like go Batman, can you help me cure my wife? And you know he'd say yes. What's HE gonna say? No, I don't I won't do that. Now provod smack him in the back of the head be like no, you're doing this. So that's one thing that I've never understood is why freeze doesn't say because Batman has has. Batman and Frieze of both acknowledge that the only reason Batman stops him is because he's committing crimes. Yeah, and he was doing it legitimately. He wouldn't stop him right like he's on board with saving a wife. So I've never understood why Batman, all the Batman Writers that are listening to this right now, write me an episode where Mr Freeze is story arcists resolved really, really quickly. So they actually there's a limited series called Batman White Knight set in an alternate reality, kind of based off of the Animated Series Universe by Shaun Gred Gordon Murphy.

Basically the premise is, what if the joker Batman's going off the rails and the joker ends up becoming sane and it's kind of like the joker campaigning. It's Batman as a sane person. Huh. But one of the cool elements from that is part of the reason Batman is going crazy as Alfred's dying, so he teams up with Mr Freeze to extend his life and try and cure both him, Alfred, and freeze, his wife, and it's really cool kind of dynamic between the two. Believe her names Nora, yes, Norra from, I'm sorry, or Nora Frice, you know, depending on what version you're in. Yeah, okay, so that's what Fris thats always bothers me about comic books, like everyone has to have a name that translates perfectly into the Superhero, Super Villa name, like Oh, what's your name? Edward Nygma? Okay, you're a villain. If your last name he was literally enigma, like come on, Guy, and he's the riddler, like come on. So Gee. I thought the animated series did a really good job with like some of the more minor like a villain rolls, like they made them into like really compelling characters, because I remember like the killer Croc episode, I think it was, who se's such like a minor, like he's not even somebody really think of when you go down a list of like main Batman, no way you get to him. But he has this really indepth episode where he's like with like this weird traveling, like circus family. They're all kind of awkward and he's feeling like he's fitting in and he's starting to change a little bit, but he ultimately like just goes back to his roots of being like a thug and Matman beats him up or whatever. But it was such an interesting episode. I remember, even as a kid, like really like grappling with like that and wanting him to be a good character and almost like voting for killer CROC at one point. And he was also just animated. It was a cool depiction of him. He was very human like as opposed to be Solomon Im not not to say that that that suicide squad is a good picture of anything, but like he just kind of looked like like a power rangers villain and that. And you know what he looked like? Michael Basis Teams Mute Ninja Turtle it was, and he could barely even talk, like even to try to talk, and he's like and it was like going hown. You watched the series, he's like he's completely articulate, like it was just a good depicture of him. I think lean into that of him just being like rude, everyone responding like he was saying real word, like Chewbacca. Yeah, exactly. He doesn't like you, like I don't like you either, but even people like it's always a even people like clayface. I got, I think we got like a really cool backstory where it was like this this you know, upandcoming actor and he's like really struggling with stuff and then he ends up, you know, trying to put on this certain kind of makeup that it's a turning him into clay and like I just like how like he had follow up episodes to I mean he was, he was a big character. Now it's like me, I can hate remember last Sunday when he said the word clay face. Well, it was well game, yeah, but he's also fantastic and hotly. His characterization is heart and Harley Quinn is. He's just a Festian. He's just a dedicated actor, like that's all he's doing, is trying to be, I get, his next big role. He could for him layers or clife and it's yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's a fun but one of the things that made the show so great is basically a lot of the animation team came off of things like doing the Hanna barbera cartoons where they would do justice league and Superman wasn't allowed to punch anybody really using him his powers. They did things like tiny tunes, but they basically you had all these creative people that really hungry to be able to tell a story like those, a little bit darker, tell make a cartoon where there was act, like some action, and so they kind of all end up get it getting together on Batman the animated series, and they're able to take things really serious, like get a full orchestra in for the score right, stuff where they basically had one of their editors people in charge. So would just be like, you know what, we're going to push this as far as we can possibly go. So you have, you know, a show where Batman's parents actually can get gunned down in an alley or you know, they had to use like laser looking guns. They had this kind of nor esthetic and all that kind of stuff. But they were able to take it as seriously as you can when you're filling is a clown, a guy that got mutated by putting on the wrong kind of makeup for yeah, you know, I think that was wasn't that a psay? That was like one of the sorry, that was what they did is they found an old Roman psing. Don't use this makeup. But but yeah, they took it really a seriously and they weren't ashamed of the fact that it was a comic book show. There's kind of into it. They and they tried to give all the villains kind of a nuance, empathetic backstory, some nuance, some psychology. Only two villains who really like never on the side like a kind of in and empathizing with this villain is the penguin, although they did a little bit, and then joker obviously just yeah, it's but then you have Harley right, ends up being kind...

...of the discs foil and you end up sympathizing with her. I don't understand how how DC has done so well with Harley Quinn. But then that one like Batman in Harleycoun movie was so bad. It's won't get into that too much, but yeah, Bruce Tim did a really good job, but he has some really weird ideas and yeah, that whenever they bring him back in nowadays, it ends up like the killing joke was another thing Bruce Tim was heavily involved in, and you end up with a weird bad girl storyline in that. Yeah, so up us are like addition to to like a movie that really couldn't go wrong. Add that and you're like like, I just remember thinking I was in the wrong movie. I mean the seriously, like I was like this isn't like it's just clearly not. It's like and then the movie starts and you're like why just getting autopop. The thing is the killing joke is really short, so it's long enough to have like an episode of a TV show, but not long enough to have a movie. Beast, they're like let's fill up fifty minutes of just random back girl fighting a guy and have a potential sex. Same with Batman. You know, great idea. Did the end of killing joke though, it was so good. Yeah, that just that last scene. I've gone back and watched that scene on youtube several times where they're sitting there in the rain, like just like the audio editing, like everything about that scene is excellent. So basically what we're saying is Batman the animated series. Yes, and the killing joke. How did this happen? Pretty much second half killing joke with as it was good, kind of moving. The next big thing after Batman obviously spends out into the rest of the DC animated universe. I'll just say I only recently watched the entirety of Batman the AD series. The most of my Batman watching was justice league and Bam and Beyond and the character. One of the things it's really cool is basically DC on TV did the mcu before the MCS write it right, and Batman's kind of the corner stone that they're founded on. You know, you go into Superman after that, then they cross over and then Justice League at yeah, which was, oh my God, the theme song for Justice League is so epic. Yep and that, but that was playing. I know, I like the jail you want. It's not bad. That's a little too cock rock, but but the the Og Justice League theme song is one of the best theme songs out there. It's so stinking good. And then I'll really briefly touch on going from there and Batman kind of has this huge character arc jumps over into Batman Beyond, Oh, which is so good. Get to see old man Batman kind of reinvigorate the franchise, kind of mix all the things that make spider man great weight to a new version of Batman right and bold. Boy, what a weird intro that one. Oh yeah, the rave scene is like it was like lust red coruptly on some animated pointy. But yeah, what am I? What does this have to do with Batman? Again? Teen's a mad man race. These guy was s edgy. Is Good. Things steal it. But the Batman beyond as actually such a good show. And then when they actually there's basically two endings for the DC animated universe. There's the end of Justice League. Unlimited Brunch is really cool. They kind of do all the heroes running at you and then they kind of get down to the then the original Justice League pops out and then it's like basically superman, wonder woman and they close out on Batman and they kind of go back through the theme songs as they're doing it and up on the Bat logo. And then the other one is epilog which is basically the end of it's basically a Batman beyond episode. They were going to justice league, right, and if you watch the end of that it's a mirror of the opening scene of the first episode of Batman. Yeah, Batman opens up with a bunch of people in a blimp and you've got a man bat flying through the clouds or like. What is that? Is it a bad and then when they go through and they do like the triumphant ending of Batman beyond, they basically completely redo that because Batman beyond can fly. He flies by like a police hovercraft or whatever it was. And Yeah, they were very, very Batman was kind of the foundation of that universe and they really honored that all the way through. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, so wasn't that? It's epilog is the one where they reveal that Terry Jones as Batman DNA. Yeah, Terry McGinnis is there now, like a half a clone of bats from which, yeah, Terry crews is is actually get. I don't know if you guys Verry crew triskey is actually Batman real much now we're cruise to that is. We would love if you, very crews, if you ever somehow, like some weird perk of nature, listen to this, please send us the picture of you D in a Batman suit. Will be the best thing ever. Yeah, like make our color amazing. Yeah. So, so that it was actually kind of controversial because a lot of people didn't like it. Didn't like the idea that, oh, of course he's going to become Batman because he's part Batman. People liked a lot more when it was just like he's just some regular Joe, that Batman was like you got potential, you peop also, instead of being like almost, almost like what we talked about with Ashley in the last Jedi. Anybody can become a Jedi in the last Jedi, whereas no, she's a Palpatine, so of course she's super strong. Yeah, right.

So, so a lot of people didn't like that and I totally agree with them. I think it I think it was unnecessary to explain why is he so good as being Batman beyond because he's part Batman. I was kind of divided on that episode because it was basically like everything isn't like a bone soup, owe as much, but like the flashback to justice league, where Batman basically goes in there like you have to kill this girl or well, that's going to end. Yeah, that was really and then he just sits with her as she dies. It was just amazing. But yeah, it's basically everything basically cut that episodes kind of Amanda Waller going back and saying here's all the things that are great about Batman. The best thing about him is his compassion, which was not what you expect, but it's really cool. Yeah, and what she should have said is your parents. There were nobody. The paper's grave, the junk who desert? Where is it? Jaku? Worry about man, don't worry about it. Where's Harvey? Also, why are you talking like this? You got her rude under her brother. I'm not wearing occupiers. Batman is a sathre. You go then at the Star Wars. I'm getting I'm getting lost. Its Lord the dark night. I would watch that. I would watch that. I'll watch the heck out of the rise dark and I where's the drier? Wherever I call, where's I'll be alone. I've gotta Talk About Star Wars. We got the episode. No, we can't get us off this. Please, I'm about to go, as sucks. Moving on. All right, I think we kind of talked about a lot about DCA. You are Batman, the animated series. A lot of great stuff came out of it. Next big thing that came was the dark knight. Dark Knight, which which I don't think anyone was expecting to be really good. I mean Christopher Nolan had everyone's like, okay, Christopher Nolan's good director and you know, the trailers were good. I don't think anyone was expecting it to be as do we skip over a Batman? Well, men begins. Well, Dark Knight Trilogy is okay, I say, but yeah, Batman begets two thousand. I don't think, ever, anyone was expecting because I remember when it was coming out and people were like there's a Batman movie, and then he came out. Heop like this fatty movies really good. Yeah, no, it really was. Like I remember it flying under the radar initially where ever, like I remember watching in theaters and really liking it, just because I didn't know much about ratio wool at all, and belittle that I did. I really liked the way that they did it. Even as a kid I was like, oh, that's a cool way to think about it, because the whole thing of like he rasohol's immortal. Like yeah, that's pretty much all I knew about the character. I'm like, Oh, he's that one immortal guy that carries around like a Samurai Sword. He's kind of like I didn't I didn't know about a lazarus pit and like all the details, and so I was just like, Oh, look, like he's kind of like a weird dude. But then they're just like, oh, he's immortal, because whoever dies as Ross who will becomes the next Rosie. You know that. There's just nathing, like he's an idea and that was the whole thing and I was like that's a really cool way to put it, because I would it was. It was kind of in that era where they were starting to make live action superhero movie, Yes, and it was like you always thought as a kid, like how would how would this be if it was an actual you obviously you couldn't make him just ridiculous like in these ways, although we've seen movies where they do do things like that, but this movie actually did grab hold of that and as saying like, if this was a real thing, what actually would that be? What would a real immortal Raza who look like? And it was and that was the cool thing about Nolan's Batman is basically, let's take this fantastical thing, strip it down to end of its basics, tell a good story, but keep it kind of grounded and realist. Yeah, and then, and then all the mystical stuff was all mystery rose like well, maybe he is or maybe he's just the guy who's carrying on a legacy. No one knows, right. And you even have characters like scarecrow where you're like, man, scarecrow in the comics was and will in the animated show was just like he carried around like a hook, like maybe he's just like a like I'm like, that's not realistic. But then you know the fact that he uses this gas. Like then the audience actually gets to see him like that for a few minutes and it's like it's so, so interesting and cool. But you know, I really liked no one's Batman's from the beginning for that for that exagree, just because I think they went they went through like a lot of liberties to make it very grounded, right, and even with him like talking to Fox and figuring out this is the like. These are all the steps. Like he even like got his suit and then was like, I need to make modifications to it. You get to see all that and that was all like man, you're really going into depth, that, you're trying really hard and it's paying off big yeah. And then, of course they they escalated with Dark Knights, yeah, which was just fantastic. And then I think you took a day. I don't think dark knight rises this was bad. I don't think it was, but I think you just wasn't. I mean it was never it's always going to be the disappointing one after this, because it was appointing. But what really disappointed me in that movie again was Bain not actually being the ring leader but being a puppet Apalia, which was fine with holly being involved, with the idea that they didn't make any of this up. He's literally just r you know, jockson's face. I literally actually just watched these three movies a couple weeks ago.

I thought he was he was acting excellent. Obviously I think Tom Hardy did an amazing job and throughout the whole movie he still is kind of like a genius, like you feel powerless and every scene that he's in like you feel like he knows, even though with the whole fight between him and that man is like such an excellent scene. It's really like bone chilling just how badly he beats him, and you're like, okay, this is like, this is like like regardless of like him, him not being as huge and juiced up and not being like Mexican, which he should be like, because, like, I didn't every depiction of ever seeing he has an accent, and so I'm like, why doesn't anybody get this right? I guess it's everybody just like no, this is not but I want you to do cast the Hispanic Person. It's come on, people inclusion. It's right there, but but no, I I really liked even even the dark knight rises, in the shadow of the Dark Knight, of course, and I mean in especially with Heath Ledger's death, like it just it's solidify. This movie is being like you're not going to top this, like the next one is gonna be just it wasn't a good movie. Oh yeah, so did I and Baines introduction. Like you're talking about him being like a tactical genius. Where they they basically pull off another joker reveal seen in that where he takes down the plane he's like nobody's gonna be looking for you because the planes crash. Okay, crazy, although, although there are some there are still issues of the plane crash. That's why it's filled with bullet holes. Yeah, they were there. There are some issues with that, but you're watching that scene was over the top for several like they're like we had to transfer the blood to a dead body to and then and then he like tells one of his buddies is like no, brother is like they will expect some of us to die in the wreckage, and it's like wouldn't that give it away that it was hijacked by some also gold, like bring some corpses with pleman literally years like Hey, no, let's kill one of our guys, and the guys like okay, cool, all, wait here. Just like look, make sure we've started pieces, something like like we've started a fire. Those like yeah, son, it will burros. He's easy either. Adopted the dark. I was born the side. You said on it it was rubber. One of his, one of his best subtle lines is when the two guys bring in Gordon and he's like, he's like, why don't you bring him here? And they're like, oh, well, he's the commissioner and he's like now he's seen everything, and then he just like he like or like like he falls off into the water. He shoots one of them and then he tells the other one. He's like, he's a check his body and then I'll kill you, and he's like any like Ben's down and he starts like checking his body, like he just tells him like that. He's like you check his body and then I will kill you. And like the guys are just doing it and it was funny. The last this last time I watched it. That was something that I recognize more of is how how much emphasis they had on all these people following him like to a strange I don't know why they did that. Why? Well, what was the like, the the motive behind that, because that's emphasized throughout the whole movies is how loyal his little substitute people are, like they get caught at one point and they're like, Ah Bane says that they will all literally die before they tell him any thing. So if you have to worry about it, there's a one part where's like hey, can you do this, and then I'll kill you afterwards, and the guy starts doing it at the beginning. He's like hey, stay in the plane and die. Like they emphasize this point a lot and I never knew. I'm like, is there something about him that's persuasive? Is He just minute? Maybe it's because they're like their league of shadow. Yeah, that's that's the only list of what I kind of came to. I was like maybe like they were underestimate. They're not your common thugs. They're like League of shadows ready to die. But they kind of seen was on Common Tho. These are rare things. I play my though. I play my uncommon thug called at all an exact position. No, I like that whole series. I mean it's just it's just really well done. It is funny to though, when you watch Batman begins, because that's that's the first most all right. So, like they they did audio editing to his voice, starting at the dark night, like like like the actual Batman's voice, and in the first movie, like there's hardly any of that done and it's really just sounds like Christian bail I mean, sorry, not Christian Bilt Um. Yeah, here's your mail. Sorry, it sounds like him the whole time, like it's like he's like you can tell he's kind of trying. He's like, Rachel, where are we going? It's likely not even know. It's no, like. So that's great, Bill, the old superman cartoon, like the old one, the Max, the Max Fleisher One's where Clark, it's like this looks like a job for Superman. Well, you dropped your voice, not even an octave. Yeah, but also notice he also took off his glasses. Yeah, and his and his hair fell down, doing a symbol. We're gonna say this for the Superman episode, but I did. I had this B book of Superman facts and it's like the reason people don't recognize him when he takes all these glasses is he rearranges his muscular structure. I'm like, except he doesn't. He looks exactly the same. Likes history. It's his KRYPTONIAN muscle. No, it's it's because they only ever see superman at high speeds from far away. That doesn't explain Louis Lane, who's an investigative journalist, but everybody else, you know, they just didn't ever get a good look at it. What. Okay,...

...what am I thinking of? where it's like a spoof thing? We're Batman shows up and sounds like wait a minute, pulls up a picture Bruce Wayne and like covers his eyes. I don't know, but they almost do that in the dark night. Yes, almost, like what if Batman, is it Cape Crusade or Bruce Wayne is there? No, they do it. Are Me, dad man, it's the Dark Knight. But if, what if Batman Hus Batman is the famous Cape Crusader and he's like if I was sneaking out every night, Rachel wouldn't know. Bruce is just like, Oh, Dr Bullet. Oh nope, now I'm really sad. Let's go drink. What do you guys think about the the Batmobile from those movies? I thought it was I thought it was a nice modern take. Yeah, it was cool. Even at the time I remember being like, Dang, it's like a Hummer Lamborghini mix. Of course, yeah, of course. So the little the guy who comes to Lucius in this like I want a million dollar. That's a great scene and looks just like so you think this guy's beating the crap and a criminal, is your boss and has a second life where you're gonna sue him. Good luck, but he brings up a really good and your plan is to blackmail this person. Well, that brings a really interesting point. Is that guy noticed because he saw the blueprint. See was like that's what our company is making. They would have filed a patent. The patents for everything Batman's uses are out there and at least, at the very least they wouldn't say, okay, Batman is being funded by technology from Wayne Enterprises. Someone would have made that connection. Yeah, maybe just the are though. Everything else it's like who's to know? Like, like who looks at being? His whole thing is that he stays in the shadows. They're not like who did you see what buzzquet was made out of? The materially, like, where did he get that? The get some job. The car is the only thing that I think could potentially lead to something that. But even that, he gets it in black. He's constantly like flying like under like you can say it's such a unique design. Know someone from the Patent Office or somewhere from the military who had ordered it. Would have been like if we order ten, ten of those. But that's where you can just man must have stolen that car from Wayne Interpres Yeah, you can just slap Y, but billionaire on top and say they found a way so really fitter. But they also they go through some liberties of like even like getting the mask with I like, Hey, will ordered ears from one place and we'll order the helmet from a different place, that we can make them ourselves. I plant to buy. Well, okay, that doesn't it people. People Not Finding out Batman's identity is kind of one of those things that just like deal with. Literally, talking to Rachel, someone who's known you your whole life, you barely I mean your eyes are covered and you're talking in your normal voice. It's not who I am on top of what I do defines me. Yeah, starting trilogy accident, yeah, it's it's gonna be. It's just such a bummer now because there's going to be more Batman's made in your like I gotta compare it to that all the time. No, here's here is a bummerlans having to make them. Here's the worst thing that the Batman the Nolan trilogy did. It made the DC executives think that everyone wanted DC to be gritty. Yeah, well, it's not the only thing, but you know, no, it's not. But they're not even overly gritty. Like like it, okay, but but they're like ground own did. And Yeah, well, everyone realist, serious and that which is Mardy because like no other DC character is even mildly like realistic. Look like it. Even in the marvel world, like you had people the act of thor, like he was just this crazy God and it was taking place on earth with a bunch of normal people and this one God character who was kind of confused himself. If you have iron man, fully human, you have Bruce Banner, who's again fully human, and you just kind of take like messes with these vials, as opposed to like the whole DC Universe is like you have this woman for the Maskira, which is a place on earth that's hidden, and she's like a God, and then you have superman, who's an alien, and then you have like it's like it's just there's a little there, like way too much supernatural for them to try to make moly one would have been green Arrow, but then we've been right, almost exactly the same, but with bows and arrows. And we'll talk about this if we do a superman episode, we were saying. But yeah, Superman should not be dark and gritty. Yeah, it's kind of defeats. The point of this man is a boy scout. She's supermby's wholes, the befoistool, the whole lot, so that people have time to cause chaos. And then once he's not fooled any longer, he can go and say the day because he's Superman, let me shoot him with some Red Sun radiation or throw a rock or green rock at him, you know, whatever you need to do. It's take him out of man. It's still not as bad as when the green lantern, when the green lantern's weakness was the color yellow, and I'm like, well, the villain stall school bus. Sorry about it. There number what enemy our graffiti artists use. So it's you guys, youths. Ever, want to see simultaneously some of the Best Batman of our art of all time and the basically the worst Batman Story of all time? There is a comic called All Star Batman and Robin the boy wonder. It's a mouthful of a title by Frank Miller. Terrible, terrible Batman story all over the place, but one of the highlights from it is green lantern shows up. He's like, basically a Batman. Did you kidnap this kid. He wants to have a rational conversation with him. The Way Batman gets around this is he and robin stay up all night completely paint the inside of their...

...base and themselves yellow and then basically are just like can't do anything, which is basically the best moment of the entire series. But come back, bro Bro Bra. But yeah, it was a better week. It's probably it was a wait, why do you, Batman, kidnap someone? Because in this version he's absolutely insane. He Kidnaps Robin, tells him basically as soon as his parents died, drives by in the Batmobile, pulls them up and says you just been drafted, and then throws him into a cave with no food, and it's like when I was your age, I survived off of rats. He's a completely insane where's the drier? But yeah, it never actually even got finished. Just supposed to be twelve issues and up being nine. But I light of that whole thing Yellow Batman and Robin. I just I appreciated Batman breaking the bold where he got his hands on a the green lasser or grene and you got his hands like Green Lantern Ring and all the Wan terms of like holy he's so much more power and like in the comics he's gotten the Green Lantern Ring very briefly, but they keep giving him a Sinestro Corp Ring. Yeah, because it's fear inspired. Well, yeah, I mean, but but he'll use it for like three seconds to look cool and then be like oh no, it's yellow. I like. I like his little appearance in, I think it was apocalypse the ISS. That the one where he's like walking with green lantern in the in like the tunnels and and like the sewers and green lanterns, like like so, what's your superpower? Like he's just meeting him and he's so, don't tell me, you're just a guy with, like with a bad costume, and he like turns and it looks around and then he turns back and he's got his ring and he's like what does this do? Look down and he looks up. He's like Hey, justice, league, war and yes, my the interactions between you. He like takes it back and he's like you'll never do that again. He's like I don't want to. It's so good. Batman's constantly annoyed by green lantern. He's like I kind of use the shadows and you're just like a nightlight. This is a bad combination. I just love that that they've established that Batman is just so competent. Yeah, that he's in the Justice League. It's like all these crazy super how people and then there's Batman. And Was it? I think it was a might have been a brave in the bold episode where they got like a bunch of newcomers in the like, why is that man here? He has no powers, and then Batman just beats the shit out of all of them and they're like, okay, okay, okay, he might have been. I don't think I've seen that. All right, so I guess we'll touch really quickly on ECU, Batman, Batfleck Urt N. I will sorry, I will say everything about them. Movie was a mass. The warehouse seen was cool. I actually thought the fight between Batman and Superman was was fun. It was fun to watch and and I appreciate that that man was like pulling all these tricks to it was. It was what it should have been, which he was wearing this ridiculous suit of armor, Shu because of by the blows, but he was using cunning and we're super may just like rushing at him, since got traps and things, and you know he should does, like there's like the Kryptonite and like the gas form. Yeah, he's in him a little bit. Yeah, and you can tell when it's wearing off, like his is like metal thing is just breaking, until eventually superman spaces, doesn't move it all and his whole machine like breaks. He's like I thought. Yeah, so I thought that was a really good way of showing you. This is how Batman beat Superman, by out maneuvering him. Yeah, right, not by out muscling him. No, it's not. Doesn't. If we're trying to salvage anything from it, and I'm just doing my best here, I liked like some of the details they entered, like they included where it's like he clearly has a voice modification thing. They're trying to get it fixed. It makes him sound really cool. So you watch it, you're like this is really cool, like his button. Sex nyder wrote the worst dilog do you believe? No, answer you will. It was one of those twitters. Batman, do you bleed? Nobody, Batman do it. But like, even like that, seeing the trailer was cool, like I thought that that part, like with like was like pretty. It just it just seems very cool in a moment where you're like man, you got to do a good job at making superheroes cool because because they care for children, like they're gonna be live action. You like how you gonna make this cool? And it's like they get in the pouring rain. They had this this dialog. Batman's got his cool voice, he's got his like night light light like eyes on, like that's all very cool, but that was shown in the trailer and honestly it might have been a neat little fight scene. But I mean the failures in that movie were just so like do you just not know anything about the like how are you gonna cast Jesse Eisenberg as like it's what it's all so would I was joker? Yeah, I was. Was the problems. They brought just the Eisenberg in and he read Luther as joker and that was the big mean literally it was like this is not like there's never been a LEX luthor like that. That's just like it's like like like yeah, she'd definitely go like pushes to the envelope, pushing on what pushes the line all the time. But he's trude he's calculated and he's not anti humanity. No, no, I don't even know what just Eisenberg's plan wasn't that I don't I don't understandd what you take down Superman, right, which is like, okay, right, that parts like in line with Luthor's character. But but...

...you're right, luthor is always been pro humanity at the expense of Batman. But he's always been like I really care about this place, like he's a running for positions in government, usually in most in most of his most of like the movies or the episodes, like he's got some kind of role protecting the city and just trying like hands. Whole crime is I'm going to be so anti Superman at the point of dishonesty, to we're all even lie about the things he's doing so that, like, the people turn against him. He's essentially just just a corrupt politician, but he's doing and at the point of like I'm sure, like, like he he does this at the cost of certain people, but overall he's really does care about the people. Right, apparently, like they did do an ultimate version of Batman, the superman that's longer and they can cut out and more of eight. Well, they seen it. Apparently they actually cut out a lot of things that explain like little bits of what Lex luthor's plan are like. He's actually paying the people to kill the people with the bad symbol in the prisons, all this kind of stuff. It makes a little bit more sense. It does not salvage the movie, No. Yeah, but one of some of the things I did like about Ben Affleck's Batman is he did look really good. They basically modeled his suit and kind of the Superman fight after the dark knight returns always. I liked him as an older Batman. I really liked his introduction where he's in the he's in metropolis for some reason. That one of his one of his branches, and he just as Bruce Wayne Wayne, runs into the rebels, so trying to save people. I thought all that was really cool. The only really good moment in suicide squad, in my opinion, was his cameo where he shows up, takes down the joker and Harley and then, you know, goes on outs you, Harley. They did some really cool things. The warehouse fight was pretty cool, but they kind of ruined it all with him just being really blood thirsty and for the plot, just and bad, and with and with Martin, Save Martha. I just I thought, I thought the biggest thing the movie hinged on was him being mad at Superman. Uh Huh, and there just wasn't enough for me. For like I was like you, why you that? Like, like, okay, obviously he's like, Oh, you destroyed that city and you killed those people, but like like, well, he clearly didn't want to like like your Batman. You know, Bos than that layers Snyder's whole wish. What a tool Snider's whole Batman. Of course Batman Fruit and kills people. Grow up like, okay, maybe that man kills people, but he's not the punisher. No, made him the punisher and it's fine if that man last resort kills people. I don't have a problem with that. In fact I think that's more sensible than Batman never kills anyone ever. HMM. Well, and it's within Batman's character to have to see Superman and go like, Oh crap, that guy's a threat and he just took down a city, but it's not within his character who then try and take him down for no reason other than right and trying to say for reasons that he's been pursued as. Yeah, like for people going it's all your fault, at him going, all right, I know better, like you can hate me, that's fine, but like I obviously know what I'm doing is good. And then he see somebody else doing the same thing and he's like, and he essentially is those m yeah, and he's like, you're hurting people and you did it like Superman's like, dude, I killed the guy that was literally going to kill the whole world, like he's gonna Kill the earth. I killed him. Yes, it was a fight that heard a lot of people, but I saved everybody. You can't understand that as another superhero. And he's like Nah, I'm gonna kill you. He's like, well, it was just such a week. It was such a weak thing that like it had to be really strong to motivate Batman to want to just go out of his way to be like, I'm gonna go execute that guy, like you got to do a good job. Right. They should made sense. He was like so, like hey, go kill Batman, I'm gonna kill your mom right. Well, but also, and but Batman's also more gritty and like we know that. Like they're are these little things that he's catching on too, like all, like he's killing people in these prison cells and like. And Batman's also just not going to take crap, like, like it's understandable that he's like, if he approaches Batman, Batman, Baby Bee, like back the hell off, like yeah, I don't need it anything to you. That makes more sense, as opposed to superman being like he's kind of a poster boy. Sure he's going to he's gonna be a vigilante and save people, while at the expense of like some people getting hurt. But like, why is Batman the like? I? How is he so bent out of shape, like, dude a, he's so been out of shape. Yeah, it would have as but I honestly think people, people were like that Batman A, Batman has been affleck. No, I this is not good. I didn't care. I thought you had fine script and the direction, the directing, was just garbage. Yeah, killed the movie. I also thought that like the weird implementing of like random sidelight like like wonder woman getting thrown in. There not a lot of character development, the weird video game scene where you gets like the power levels of all this friends race like watching them on the screen, like Oh, they're Cyborg. Oh there's the flash and he's like dinna started, guys, he guess, rare, rare, cyborg shiny. Also executive. That comes in as like hey, so how could we put like five trailers into this movie without anybody noticing? Oh, we could just have Batman Watch government youtube. Yeah, for like five minutes. Also plays in that movie. What known woman's music, I think, is a wreck. I thought the wonder woman movie wasn't bad at all. I don't. I thought it was really solid. Yeah, that was good,...

...like as far as the DC movies goes, great because they made it feel like a marvel. But her themes, which it was so good, even theme music in that movie, I just I can't stand her. I think it's so silly, like it sounds like spike kids. It's all right, whoa spree masterpiece and you, like Fi, gets the better you. Every time I hear quote her music slide into a scene where there's like actual cool, I'm just like, I can't think of somebody. I can't. Actually, I hate actually sounds like spike. It's play it right now. I'm going to. Well, like it just does not scream wonder woman. Well, the problem with Batman v Superman is once wonder woman shows up, it's like, Oh, wonder woman's like the coolest, most rational character in this movie. Yeah, it's true. If I problem, I'm Zimmer and Junkie Excel. You should even attach Han Zimmer's names. Yeah, I just don't. That's just it just just all you need. That's basically the whole thing. Over and over again, it really just don't likes. Like yeah, I don't like it. It happens and it was almost like it felt like a meme, like she looks, slides and it's like Narnia and I'm like, what is is this? Like Hey, like I felt like I was watching like a how's you supposed to know that this female character is super cool? You gotta give like she was already super cool, like she did, like her character was. I mean it was fine, other than being rushed, other than being like hey, let's have her movie before we do a movie like this big mistake. But me, your character was fine. It was just in light of like everybody in the movie being so silly and so stupid, like might of like Batman being completely unwrappy irrational, like in light of Luthor just not being himself. She was like, Oh, this is a breath of fresh air, this is like it's it was almost as I wonder. Woman came into the scene was like what are you guys doing? Like, like stop, nobody Mun keep stopped. Kill him. Yeah, like, and so she's like a breath of fresh air in that sense. I just didn't like her her things, like that's like that, is she with you? I thought she was with you. I seem I was bad movie like her. Oh, yeah, she's where did this giant monster and this Amazonian Warrior come from? We were over our minds. Oh all right, so, yeah, Justice League. I actually haven't seen Justice League. I heard was messed up really. Yeah, Justice League was all over the place. It's kind of understandable because you had Zack Snyder and then they brought in Joss Whedon, and those two people are not gonna work well together. It was just like like, like, he brings x, and I mean we've mentioned we've mentioned this before. Pretty sure everything in the world is mentioned. Be like why would you make that movie before you've established those characters individually? Like honey, yeah, like, like, no, nobody, like it's the first. Like you, it's like overload, like you're getting introduced to the Flash, you're getting introduced to Cyborg, you're getting introduced to Aquaman and you're just like Oh, like, man, this seems like three episodes of like of a TV show and then the fourth episode being a big fight and in the movies over and you like wow, you could do it Justice League movie and make it work. The there's proof of that because they did a hour and a half long special to introduce the Justice League cartoon. You Knew Batman, you knew superman, then everybody else just kind of shows up. Yeah, I mean it's not going to work as well in a movie, but they could have pulled it off, but they should, like most of these heroes are wellknown enough that we don't need that. That's so like when I watch, when you watch like the DC animated movies, which are all excellent. They're almost so good, like there's even the ones that I watched on my Harley Quinn, even the ones that watch that I'm not a huge like I wasn't a huge fan of Red Sun, but I was like I would still watch that a million times before I watch the live action ones. The thing that they do is is they do exactly what you said, like they know that their audience knows who these characters are. So like, if that's the route you're going to go, if you're just gonna throw all of them in there, assume that and just have them come in and have their interactions with each other, explain a little bit to each other, like hey, who the heck are you? But we all know WHO CYBORG the flash is, and have them just meet each other. And I think we've seen in the last couple in the last decade, a lot of movies that have been like, okay, we're going to give our audience the benefit of a doubt and assume that this incredibly popular character, yeah, is well known, and then if people don't know who it is, it won't impact their movie to too much. So poke the detective people. You did that. It was just like, yeah, these are Pokemon, sliders on the mcu, Spiderman in the mcu, sonic, the hedgehog. They're just like these characters are here, yeah, done, you know their origin, you know where they came from, and if you don't, you don't need to and Spiderman of the mcu is a great example, because you still get everybody else reacting to him. In him get getting to explain a little bit to them, but like you skip, let's like man, you everybody look at Uncle Ben, Uncle Ben dies. You like right, power, grace, cover bay, responsibility. But well, you know all the origin stuff and it's like, let's just skip all that. He gets introduced to everybody and that's how we had him. That with all the the DC. Characteristically, Batman Bee Superman did not have a Batman origin story. Well, actually, they did open with the death of his parents, him falling into a cave. Okay, they did it really quickly, though. Yeah, they they pretty much and more or less assumed you knew about. Name was. So it's get out of the DC. Thing else on the DC. No, it's terrible. Stop, is bad because ammon, wonder woman, we're good aquaman. Haven't seen, but heard was fun. Well, and we'll see, like if Justice League was originally supposed to be a decent movie, when...

Zack Snyder releases his gout on Hbo Max later. I'm kind I don't say ended that much. I don't know. I don't know why people keep letting exact center comical movies. He doesn't. You're still gonna have superman with a mustache, makes really right away, makes really flash but he's gonna be in a black suit. It's going to be complete. I will say I'm a little excited for Matt Reeves's Batman, which is supposed to focus more on his detectiveness. Yes, none of the live action Batman has done and we'll see how that goes. Starden hand, it's hey, it's a sparkly vampire Robert Patterson, and I think he's a good actor. Yeah, that was good. Yeah, I'M NOT gonna blame him bar being a twilight. I can't blame him for being in a garbage movie. Yeah, I think if took I think it's totally unfair to see an actor in a really bad movie and say, well, that actors terrible. Yeah, well, I mean, and that was the thing. Like people people didn't like Ben Affleck's casting. It's like, well, they were STA daredevilment be but was that? Yeah, like also, okay, that was not his fault. We should we should just be forced to watch that movie. If you ever like make a mistake in life like now, you have to sit down what they're dome like board or Holly Verus was so awkward, like that movie has so many awkward parts where you just kind of like yeah, so that's kind of I mean Lego Batman, which you've touched on a few times, so good. But I think one of the things that is so great about the characters you can go all the way from Lego Batman, one thousand nine hundred and sixty six, can't be kind of fun and given the same origin story, or and then go all the way over to the dark night where he's just tough, gritty, kind of proud and vigilante, and all of it still works just because the basic archetype of the character is it's very simple and you can kind of adapt to anything. But there's kind of a Batman out there for everybody. Yeah, and I think we touched on most of the main stuff. And that Batman is out of West. Yeah, Adam West Batman. He was spray all right. So that's most of the movies. Justice League and Justice League limited word fantastic. Obviously didn't focus on Batman, but he's pretty what about video games? Yeah, justice injustice too. Yeah, and justice the Arkham series if you guys haven't played those games or those comics. It's a great version of Batman, it's a good version of Superman, and they made that movie. The world actually be a good reason for Batman and Superman fight each other. Yeah, although the these I just love. They were like, okay, well, let's sitting now. I'm like, okay, well, how can we have Batman Superman fight and like fist fight and it's and we're not punch everyone's head or Harley Quinn and and Grundy fist fight and or not be smashing the pole? All right. Well, Superman developed these pills that make everyone as strong as he is, because that's not a bad idea, and then the resistance stole them all. Supergros. Who could have foreseen was that? That's just a justice. That's yeah, that's the that's the reason behind why they why they can go toetotoe in this flights, is because that's the video game. Yeah, that is the video game. They make. The Superman makes these pills that make everyone who takes them as strong as he is, so we can make an army of himself. It doesn't explain why green are still uses bow and Arrow while he's on those and why that's and why a and white's still affective, for right, still affective. The batterings took the pills. To what happens if Superman takes the pills? We don't know. I also I also like how sympathetic they made Harley Quinn and injustice and that's she's. Ye, like he's tweaking Green Arrow about all this. List all his names for his things, like well, this is the Arrow cave. She are. Okay, should call the quiver. It was like it's actually better. Yeah, she should have. They basically kind of make her into like a new robin. All. Yeah, it's really cool story. Yeah, it's good. So and isn't? I haven't Bible. I'm only familiar with the plot of the first injustice. Second one, brainiacs the bad guy. I actually have not played through the second. So the second one, yes, BRAINIAC is the ultimate bad guy. But but it's the same deal. It's like it's living in like this world where Superman is. It mainly falls car up, like like super girl shoots. So she comes to Earth and and she meets wonder woman and black a don't you postpail for and they are basically just like hey like like stay in the dark until like until the time is right, and so they're still like making strikes and stuff, and Batman still trying to harvest everybody up. There's a few of them, like from the first for the first injustice, that kind of like renounced their allegiance to superman side and are kind of just like essentially like on homers, like they can't use their powers. They more like like Barry is one of them. Hows one of them has been exiled like and and so it's about how what those characters do coming back. It's about what the what the you know, the bad guys essentially do as far as like gorilla grod is running his brotherhood or whatever, and it's took a bunch of people and Batman's got like a mole within them and you don't know who it is until late the whole series. And at the end it's like yeah, brainiacs coming back to the trying to figure out what they need to do, and he's got like like blue beetle and starfire are like protecting superman the whole time. So they're they're trying to figure out, do we let this guy go, because brainiac stacking nob he's telling us what to do. They're both kind of young. Yeah, so, like it's a super cool story, like the whole and like it's about Cara obviously being really close with Superman but then...

...also realizing he's kind of crazy now and then kind of bailing and they're in a big fight and like it's just it's great. And you know that led the injustice comics also crossed over with he man. If you're interesting out, okay, what Superman's weaknesses? Magic? So they go to an alternate reality and find somebody magic to them beat him up and he said Hey, yeah, I said some you've seen that. I had not seen that. Oh my gosh, there's a hey mane cover of a foreign on blonde song called what's going on? I'm showing it to you at after all. Right, I'm we're closing. I'm closing out with that song. Very happening. Yeah, injustice is great. Yeah, I said, I thought watch all those cinematics as a Oh yeah, so I thought it was great games. It's a good it's a solid fighting game with the same guys who did mortal Kombat. So if you played a mortal nut, if you play mortal Komba Games is mortal Kombat nine, which, when they remove the series, it's clear it's the clash system is stupid. It's like here, bet a random number and then something will happen. Question Mark. So that's in the first ing. Yeah, I don't have that you. That's like to basically like wasting your energy, like you can either waste like one, two or three, and like if you waste three anthing, that means you have a better chance of yeah, essentially just like betting. It's not great. Also, they made this the super cut scenes UN skippable, which was bad because they love there like long and they're really not. They're cool, and especially in injustice to oh they're cool, but when you're trying to do a fight and it takes off like the health bar, so you can see it three more times in the same play yeah, well, they okay, come back, Batman Arkham, really great video game series. All right, back, hold on, let me let me say I'm back. What did your things on injustice? Okay, I understood. Right. Why Heat? Why Superman kills joker? So spoilers, spoilers for one of the right at the beginning of the first it's yeah, it's and it's also really old. Now Superman. So joker gasses scarecrow gases superman, something something like that. Those lines and basically make Superman think he's fighting doomsday, but it's actually Lois Lane. So he kills Lois Lane, who was pregnant, and then tied a nuke to Louis Lane's heart beats on and loislan dies in the Trocolis gets new answer than Superman. Kills Joker and you're like yeah, and then two brands like and therefore I am now the god King of Earth Kneel before me. Humans like okay, I understand why he would be broken by that, but I don't understand the reaction of and I get he blames Batman to. That makes so everything makes sense until he's like kin, the way I feel about kill monger. Everything makes sense until it's like and therefore well know that I mean Superman's thing, and especially in like you see this morning justice too. He's like he's trying to run. What do you see at the beginning of that? Yeah, so the beginning of injustice to shows you how Batman like traps, like basically captures superman and he's just like offing people in the prison like like he's just killing, killing, like all the prison mates like like that. are others like horrible people. Yeah, and he's exact numbers like these people like like they like we don't want them to make that decision. We want to kill him before they make the decision. And I understand if he would do that, he'd be like, well, I'm just gonna start killing the villains, but not I'm going to take over the whole world. That she's but his holding its service, like in taking over the world, is he's like justice Lord's it's like Red Sun wherever. He's basically just saying the world needs to be better. If you're not going to do that, we're going to kill you. And so he's got good motives. But you can't, you can't do this, and I get that. I feel like it. He jumps, he goes from a to be so fast. I feel like he starts killing joker and it should there should have been so, I mean I realized for the video purposes they can't. I feel like they should be an escalation. Know that makes sense over a little bit and he's like well, how well, look, even with and I prime, I should take over the whole world deaths, and I think that's what that they basically do five years of those comics and I think that's kind of where where it goes in area. You know, he takes over pretty quickly. Yeah, but also that that's the whole. But that's that's the thing that Batman hinges on constantly and like that's the proof of it, where he's like, as soon as you kill somebody, then your whole entire philosophy changes. Yeah, and that's why he's like, even if it's the worst person ever, the second you do it, you become like Superman, where you say, well, now we're okay with killing people. Well, now let's just apply this to everybody. Well, I'm fine, I'm not going to hurt you, I'm a good guy, I'm here to help you, but, like, if you're screwing up, like we're going to kill you. And I do get, I do get the concept of like the first kill is the hardest and then it becomes easier after that, right, but I you know, I don't agree with the idea that, oh, if you kill someone, then you instantly become like I have to kill everyone. You don't really well, but all this blood life. It's all so different that it's like his wife and it's yeah, yeah, he's also just like to strawn. He's I told her him and by his own hand. You know, it wasn't his fault, and then his entire city. I mean it takes away Supermaz get what that? It creates like the most a crazy emotional moment to be like this would snap a superman. He also does it wall on fear gas. Yeah, sure, but see, just just from you know what I think about Superman's personality. I think Superman. This is me just being speculative. Pool A Mr Man had document hand't and just dip. Be Like I'm gone. Yeah, go into depression if you just do. I can see that. I could see that. You want to see that story. Kingdom count, that excellent Justice League story has the crazy realistic art right. It's yeah, it's done by ox Ross. That and justice there's also a great series. But anything out ox Ross does a super realistic you know, it's does it off of a actual photos of like people he knows and stuff, but the...

...art is amazing. But that's basically what happens. Something terrible happens and Superman just retires and it's like the story of him coming back. There's a lot of really great guys in that, but that we're so so that I can get around. I think I have issues with it, but I know I understand why that happened. What I don't understand is why wonder woman is on Superman side like hundred percent, because everyone else is kind of like, well, I think he's right, I'm not a hundred percent on board of blazing with it. Momon was just like hell, yeah, wonderful, he's it's because and and it. No, here's why she wanted that super booty. Well, it it's because like and even injustice to like like she you get to see this because scarecrow does the fear gas on her and you realize that her greatest fear was that she corrupted superman. And she's like shoot, like and she has that deep in her heart like that. She's like, Dang it, like it was me, because because she is always kind of been like do I even want to protect this place? Earth, is kind of crazy and like and and so when Superman says hey, I've got this new idea, and it does kind of tug on her on the the fear that she has, like, like man's not redeemable, and so she's like well, let like let's go with that. And then she's really caught into the idea that like all right, this is working, like like we are, this is this was the right way to go, because because is like that proved it, like Clark killed his wife, he killed all these people with the nuke, like this is proving it. We're going to make a better place. Even people at the joker did right. But let's not like like the whole thing is that those two care. Well, specifically her. I think that made sense. I'd like it is true that it seems like her character had turned into like more of a Douche. Like I should I spoil things and justice to her. Should I just stop talking about whatever? I think. Yeah, go ahead. She likes the kills Harley Quinn and and I'll justice too. Like the steps are like with her short and so like he's like like those character defects where I'm like all right, like she seeming a little menacing. I understand her taking Clark side and being like okay, this is the way I've always wanted to do things anyways. But like, yeah, okay, but just I forgot I was supposed to. Yeah, no, I think. I think she was just thirsty. Yeah, she wanted just she wanted that. superbooted two other really Great Batman game series. You Got Batman Arkham Cherries know it, which is anys Batman. I played a lot of this Sega Genesis Batman Animated Series Video Game. But there's some, there's some, there's some bad duty Batman. Yeah, fantastic Arkham, really great story, good fight system. He definitely is killing people constantly all throughout it. Oh God, they're own cutting out their especially in the third one, where you're just tasering them by running them over with a Badmani and there. And it's not like they're just like Oh, flop it, they're flo they're like team rockets, going like they are so dead. You're shooting them with a gun that you used to pierce walls but has a rubber it's they're okay. Also, just like the extent that you have to beat them for them to get knocked unconscious. It's as like all these base punches and then it's like, boom, kick their face into a brick wall and then they're like they finally it's like now you kill them, but he's done the big guys. You've tasted him like four times too. Yeah, also, that that bad explosive that can break through brick walls. Yeah, I know that. She's not. Some explodes, the the L explode us any bit, you know see. But yeah, I love looking and and the combat is started with Arkham asylum, right, and that combat system was revolutionary and kind of took over a lot of for a long time all the all the generic sandbox games were using that fight, the fight, fight, fight, counter. Shadow of mordor that a mortal uses it. that the Mad Max game assassin's creed has gotten that way screen, although assassins creed had that from from too, but it wasn't nearly as nuance the new art bron man very much that. Spider Man's done that. But combat system is really an innovative, really great story store. Yeah, really good voice cast. Yeah, and they did a really good job making things definitive. They're were like or they're all going to come back in the next room. Yeah, it's a great Batman Joker Story. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's that's city. Arkham city is like is like a primary like that stories and Swiss and that are just really don't see him coming. So so if I were to rank them, I would go almost in order. Ago Arkham asylums the best and Arkham City, even though I think Arkham city has they really did it. They improved of a lot on these, the combat systems from Arkham asylum, but Arkham asylums really tightly designed. Yeah, and Arkham City it's a little loosey Goosey. And the the concept of what is the riddle because later and then Arkham Knight, which I thought was good, and Arkham origins, was kind of was okay. I would go basically the same way, except that flip the first two. I like city a little bit better. Yeah, I think just story wise, because I didn't like the end of Arkham asylum where you fight. That was a trash. That was a trash. But so I actually I played them. I you know, I Christmas. I was like, you know what, I have played a long time the Arkham Games. I played through all of them. I hadn't played through night. I played through all them in chronological order, stated origins and asylum than and asylum is just so tightly designed. I think just from a video game standpoint,...

I think that's the most solid ones. The rest of them kind of sprawl, especially because you get more into the open world, it just starts to sprawl a little too much. Yeah, and the Arkham asylum has some really really good moments. It has some really low the lowest moments probably killer CROC, which is like to tiptoe battering top. It's just like Bin Fights, pretty rough to and then that translates into the joker fight at the end, yeah, which is what was for city. What was the main boss the end? Like face? Yeah, you end up fighting clay face, play face, but you also have joker and Hugo strained. Yeah, the primary Antagonia. It is the primary antagonist with the like the final the big the final boss fight is clay face. Okay, but there's some really good one, some good I've played that in origins, the only two I've played. They did some good DLC for those two. Thank you got. There's a really good Mr freeze fight. Yeah, I think I'll. Oh, yeah, Mr Freestighting city was really, really good. Yeah, because every time you you have to take him down, like it's tough and I remember hand every time you do it. Every time you do it, you can't he he's like, well, we're not gonna do that again. So, if you like, pop out of the event, Du Event takedown ICES, old events. Yeah, it's it. That was that was, I think, probably the best boss fight they've had in the entire series. It was just really, really well designed, Super Fun supertense, because you're like, oh, what, how am I gonna take it down now? He blocked all that off. Like wait, what all the TAKEDOWNS DO I have? So it really made you use all of the things jat. So that was that was excellent. Now the riddler stuff just got like I never I stopped even doing them, like I really like a little side quest and I'm like in city you didn't have to do them. So I was like yeah, but if you don't do them, you don't get the real anty we and Arkham Knight, you know, riddles become Mario Darts levels and robot fights. That was so weird. Yeah, and the Batmobile. All of them are designed so the batmobile can control of course. Yeah, right, which those were fun, but it was like what is the riddler doing? He's out of his element. Yeah, lost it. But the character designs were all really great. Oh yeah, scarecrow was awesome in the last game ever, was awesome, really good, really good use the scarecrow scenes in Arkham asylum were amazing, where you go like he's larger than life because you're refective by the fear gas. All really good stuff, like, I think at I think the last the there's one other game series I'm going to recommend. I don't know if either of you guys have played it, but it's Batman, the tell tale of the telltale ones. Also, you're pretty good. They're really good. It's basically a choose your own adventure movie. Yeah, I was going to say it's not really like a game. It's more just like a comic right there. Yeah, there's your active story. But yeah, it's an interactive story, like they do some really cool stuff. The first one I enjoyed a lot. There's a lot of subversion. You get to see like some like to face catwoman are in there and depending on the choices you make, they can go different ways. Like a telltale, like all telltale games, there is base, like a basic narrative that you end up at no matter what. The second game is really cool. Second episode. Yeah, the second episode, because that's when you really you meet a Proto version of the joker in the first game and then the second game is basically the joker's origin story as influenced by you as Batman and or Bruce Wayne and the depending on the choices you make, that can go to really different ways. It ends up really cool either way. I don't want to spoil it too much, but it's really solid story. It was something they weren't afraid to do, something a little bit different in both games. Solid payoff, I'd say playing through at least once is definitely but yeah, it's more like watching an interactive movie. But yeah, there are a lot of fun that pretty much probable much covers it. A lot of Batman. Batman is a lot of funs the matter. I'm gonna went to throw it run down through a few recommendations really quick. I thought about if you want to know more about the history of Batman, I've watched three really cool documentaries on one's called it's from two thousand and five. It's called legends of the dark night, a history of Batman. It's basically interviews with Kevin Smith, Stanlee, Frank Miller, Paul Deni and Bruce Tim who did the animated series. What is Stanley have to do with that? He is in comic books and they got him to come by and talk about Batman Leigo. He actually at one point did write his own version of Batman and the rest of the Justice League pretty interesting, but basically he was just a famous face that they brought in. The whole thing's narrated by Mark Hamill, but also get in like some other writers, Danny O'Neil Geoff Johns really good kind of comprehensive history of the character up until two thousand and five. Yeah, and then there's another documentary, Batman and bill. It's available on Hulu. I think it's actually Hulu. Original. Goes back and kind of when Bob Kane created Batman. We I touched on this earlier. He kind of took soul credit for it. But bill fingers, another guy who works really solidly on a camel, a lot of concepts and kind of tells like the secret origin of Batman. Really Interesting Watch. And then one that actually warner brothers just put it up for free on Youtube. It's called Batman the animated series, the heart of Batman, and it's basically everybody that was involved in the series about an hour half long,...

...talking about how the show came together and it's just it's a really interesting watch. If you're interested in the history of Batman. I'd recommend all three of those documentaries if you you're wanting to just watch like a really solid Batman move your origin story. I talked about a mask of the phantasm and in one of our last episodes. I'm not going to go into that too much here, but I feel like that's kind of everything Batman distilled in like an hour and a half and we talked about Batman the brave in the bowl of some of the other stuff. They're also but most of the most of the ones on most of the animated movies that Batman and on DC are all stolid. Now there are some weird ones, Batman and Batman Samurai. You Watch our Batman Ninja. Batman Ninja, I have not watched that one yet. It's so absurdly anime. I don't I really don't want to give anything way. Hello, you got experience. I Love Batman. I love anime. It's been on my list for a while. You're you'll enjoy it's beyond the bizarre. At the end of your be like, okay, what, what was that? So there's no, no, no. It starts off pretty normal, like they get thrown back in time and they're in feudal Japan and so they're they're you know, the villains all establish their own regions and take over. But then the the second half. Again, I'm not going to spoil it, the second half goes off the Rad. Those are China, very way different. It goes from like Ninja anime to a very different genre of anime, and you will know exactly what annimal, what genre it is as soon as it happens. Again, I don't want to spoil it. It's not, it's not. It's it's so bizarre. If you Batman, all the DC animated movies are really solid. Some of my favorites are your one, the Dark Knight returns. So if you want to watch you want to do like an animated Batman movie night, Watch three, I would say, dark your one, and watch run under the Red Hood and then Dark Knight Returns. That's kind of like a cool and makeshift trilogy there. If you're really interested in Batman animation, Batman the brave in the bolds really solid. If you're looking for something for kids. It's a lot great introduction to the DC universe. Batman's really awesome and young justice. Oh, yeah, it was not amazing character, but he's a really awesome supporting character and there's a lot of robin in yeah, yeah, and then one that gets overlooked a lot is called the Batman. Oh, the Batman got it came out. Talk about the Batman. It came out after Batman the animated series. It was done by the same guys who did Jackie Chan. Yeah, so you'll recognize the art style if you ever watch Jack Chin Adventures. That's the one where, my word, I'm blanking Batman Sixty six an west, Adam West, comes back. I believe he voices the mirror in that one. Yeah, yeah, he's in there. It's really saw it. The first season is a little slow. Yeah, but it's a really interesting progression. Basically, you start out in the theme song for it is amazing. It's just really creepy Batman theme, but they do and it starts off Batman is on his own, just with Alfred. There's actually detectives trying to take him down and they goes through throughout the course of five seasons. It goes from Batman being a loner on one side of the Law to Introducing Commissioner Gordon. Then he gets sidekicks in the last season. It's interest like does the whole DC universe justice? Yeah, it's a really good like condensed like DC universe. Yeah, from Batman's perspective, yeah, it does a really it's really solid and, especially the later seasons, really cool. The see and I'm going to talk a little bit more about this on my blog, but if you're looking to get into Batman, I would there's three things I would say to check out for recommended reading. Joker's Boner, obvious. Don't Google that, obviously, but if you're really looking to get into the character, I'd say check out Batman Year one by Frank Miller, definitive origin story for Batman. You can follow that up with a comic called Batman the long Halloween's basically the sequel to that. A lot of the same supporting cast moves on into it, but you introduce all of Batman's rogues gallery really organically and then they do a sequel to that called dark victory, which introduces Robin. And by the time you've read through those three you basically have a really solid grasp on all of the main supporting cast of Batman. Okay, it is. It is Batman number sixty six. So that is the issue. You want to go look Batman number sixty six. This A, and I quote, this emphasis on bonus has given me an idea for a new invention in crime. Gotham city will rule the day. I mention the word Bona and they have. There's only one thing to do. We've got to get the joker before I gets us. Let's continue our study of the great bonus of all time. This is the actual dialog. Someone didn't edit this in. Please go read this. That if you want to know what Batman is about. Batman number sixty six, I think, from absolutely perfect. But yeah, yeah, Batman, I think, is he's like you said before, he covers the entire spectrum of superheroes, goofy, can't be serious, gritty and everything in between, and so I think there's a Batman UN there for everyone and it's in Batman Sixty six. Yeah, agreed, agreed. Well, yeah,...

...good show. All right, let's wrap this up. So, Greig, where can people find you? If you want to get in contact with me on Facebook, you can find me at chapter one films. Also, if you want to find me online, you can go to my website, chapter one films Dot Bizz. You can email me Greg at chapter one films Dot Biz, or find me on Instagram at chapter underscore, O Andy underscore films. We got to get to a twitter mark. Yeah, there's just kind of feeling that would just like suck into a black hole. Yeah, fair enough, the Greg again, other Greg faces. Where can people find you? You can find me on facebook, twitter and Instagram at comics exile or comic exile. I always say I'm a yeah, exile, but well, that's what excellent. That's what it originally was going to be anyway, as long story. But comic exile on no s and then you can find me. I Buy blog at comics comic exilecom my word. But and yeah, if you check this out, check that out. By the time this goes up, I should have a really definitive recommended reading list for Batman up there on, up on there as well. I'm failing in my book. You can find me on twitter at Holy Golem. You can if you want to tell us about your favorite Batman moment or, you know, your least favorite Batman moment or any anything you love about, love or hate about that man, or if you think you're wrong about anything, hey, shoot us a line. Dearly debated at gmailcom or tweet us at nearly debated. Until next time, our m the night Martha. We apologize that. We all the Martha's out there. We Love You, but why are you? See? Yeah, bye,.

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