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Episode 5 · 1 year ago

Episode 5 - Tea, Earl Grey, Hot

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Ahead, warp factor 8, ENGAGE! We're talking Star Trek! Nathanael Levinson sharpens his Bat'leth! Special guest Ashley Thomas sets her phaser to kill! Moderator Jason is stuck in a time loop! Moderator Jason is stuck in a time loop! Moderator Jason is stuck in a time loop! Moderator Jason is stuck in a time loop! Moderator Jason is stuck in a time loop! Moderator Jason...

I sincerely hope this is the last timethat I find myself here. Yo just don't get it to you. Jan Bet,trial, never ends. We wanted DECEI. If you had the abilityto expand your mind and your horizons and for one brief moment you did when Irealized the paradoxs exactly for that one fraction of a second, you were opento options. You had never considered. That is the exploration that awaits you,not mapping, stars and Studi Nibular, but charting the unknown possibilitiesof existence cu. What is it that Youe try to tell me you'll find out in any case I'll, be watching and ifyou're very lucky I'll drop by to say hello from time to time see you welcome to dearly Debat your entitledto your opinion, even if it's wrong, I'm an ethanial only going where nomanis not before Levinson with me: special guest, Ashley, coffee, Black Topis and,of course, our moderator Jason in Apresidan. As you make I pickd up today,they wan to be talking out Starti, but first this week in history, maybe- andactually this week- it's a special this wee in histoy, because, as I wassitting at my desk, writing down my bit for this week on history, somethingstrange happened. There was a bright light and weird sound, and the paper Iwas writing on disappeared and was replaced Lik. This anthe title that I found the paper Ifound was titled Memo from a Parallel Universe. So, let's see what OhmichaelBay releases transformers eleven mega trunkets married, the ghost of Roberteberd, was quoted, quoted as saying I just don't get it. The firsttransformers was a masterpiece of cinema, but Somehow Bay makes a bettermovie every sequel. It doesn't seem physically possible. President of theUnited States, Donald drump announces the completion of Canada's annexationafter winning the Nobel pieace prize drump reiterated his intentions to keepCanada a free and independent province which celebrates its unique cultureafter the entrance of Mexico. As the fifty first Tate drump demonstrated histact and statesmanship by selecting the former Mexican President Mari Lutierez.As his running made for his seventh term, election trumples quote is sayingat the time. Mexico is one of the greatest states in the world and theyhave the most lovely law abiding people, the UN, led by fellow Noble Lory atVladimer, buten celebrated by declaring the fourth of June Global Maple Syrupand Hockey Day, so that I I yeah that was weird butyeah that appeared on my desk by magic. It was, I don't know, maybe that'llhappen more often we'll see if section thirty one is involved well, possiblyalso a clarification that a listener who will call Joel because that's hisname mentioned that I used the term Mary Sos several times, but neveractually explained what it meant. HMM- and I you know, I'm familiar with it asa term. Essentially the term is used for a character, who's too competit tothe point of being perfect and it can be used for mal and femal characters,although apparently there's a variation that can muse for Mil character. GaryStew was gointo bring that up, but so I looked at the origin and howGermain the origin, the term vary. Sue comes from the name of a charactercreated by Paula Smith, on thousand nine hundred and venty three for herparody story, a trecky's tale, Publishin er, fanzy menagerie too, thestory starred Lieutenant Mary Sue, the youngest lieutenant in the fleet. Onlyfifteen, then a half years old and satirized unrealistic characters, anstar trick, Fan Fiction and here's the complete story. It's like threeparagraphs. She golly Gosh Gloryowsky thought MarySewa. She stepped on to the bridge of the Enterprise. Here I am the youngestlieutenant in the fleet. Only fifteen tand, a half years old captain Kirk,came up to her. Oh Lieutenant. I love you madly. Will you come to bed with mecaptain? I am not that kind of girl, you're right and I respect you for ithere, take over the ship for a minute. While I gill get some coffee for us.Mister Spott came on the bridge. What are you doing in the L in the commandseat? Lieutenant the captain told me so flawtlessly logical. I admire your mind:Captain Kirk Mister Spock door, McCoy...

...and Mister, oh mister, spock, dor,McCoy and Mister Scott beamed own, with Lieutenant Mary suit to Rigel thirtyseven. They were attacked by green androids and thrown into prison and amoment of weakness. Lieutenant marrysu revealed to Mister spock that she toowas half fulcin recovering quickly. She sprung the lock with her hairpin andthey all got away back to the ship, but back on board door. McCoy and leutenantmarry soon found out that the men who h'd beaned them down were seriouslystricken by the jumping cold robbies Marysue lesso. While the four officerslanguished in Sick Bay, Lieutenant Maryso ran to the ship and ran it Oranthe ship and ran it so well. She received the Nobell prest piece prize,the Valcan Order of Gallantry and the see my pronounceis right, the TrafalMadori in order of good guyhood. However, the disease finally got to herand she fell fatally ill in sick bay as she breathed her last. She wassurrounded by Captain Kirk, Mister Spock door, mccoyey and Mister Scott.All weeping unashamedly at the loss of her beautiful youth and youthful beauty,intelligence capability and all around niceness, even to this day, herbirthday is a national holiday on the enterprise and that's the origin of the term MarySu. I knew the term originated with fan fiction. I did not know it originatedspecifically with Star Trek Fan fiction. So it's pretty cool, it's pretty great,all right! So Star Trek, let's jump into it. If youwill Jay Right, let's start out with a simple one and just what was youalsintro to star trek or your first experience with the with this series M.Well, my intry into star treck was a bit unusual.My first experience with Star TRUCP was the two thousand and nine reboot. Oh,how my husband took me on a date to go, seeit at the dollar theater when we were dating and we were not what's the rightword, we were broke so so we went on lots of dates to thedollar theater. Well, while we were dating and it was fun but yeah that wasmy introne to star Treck- was the two thousand and nine movie it's respectfulplace. To Start I mean so for me, my dad grew up watching theoriginal series. So when I was younger, he would just watch whenever nextgeneration was on. We would sit down and watch it and then, when Ds, Ninandvoyge are on. We watched those like as they came out, and I very distinctlyremember where I was during the Voyager Finalle, because we were in New York atthe Mari, a Makey Iwas. I saw a music man, I know exactly what year it wasbecause I looked up what year the voyger for Nalle was two thousand andtwo, so that was also the year. I got into musicals because I saw music manon Broadway and I blew my mind musical episode in the future. It's GOINNA CIIT's coming wor coming. Fourth Coming, I remember that was like right whenplasma TVs have just come out and the Meriat macqui had one an Thas reallyweird thing where it would leave an after image. Every time the scenetransition it was really weow but yeah. So I grew up watching next in deepspace, nine, voyager and then enterprise, so I've grown up watchingfrom ESEMANSNINE ONWARDSA. A very similar experience to actually my firsttime watching was the the two thousand nd nine movie as well, and that's whatreally got me into or o to me, where I was open to exploring the rest of theseries yeah yeah. I actually went back and started watching all of star Trakafter that it took me six years, but I did watch all of it yeah, but the twothousand and nine was my gateway, Grug yeah and I'm actually currently doingthat right now is going back through and watching everything yeah, so huhyeah. So let's go ahead and move on. What do you guys think make Star Trek?Great? HMM, it's a big question for me. What I I one of the things I especiallyenjoy about star trek is, I think, they're really good at assemblingonsamblcast. I think there are merits to each of thecast members in every series, but I also like that Star Trek. It's built onhope and that we can be better humans and we can move forward. I admire that about it. I would saypretty much exactly the same thing. I think they do they've done. I thinkenterprise is probably the weakest at this point, but they traditionally donea phenomenal job of assembling a diverse cast of characters and doing areally good job, developing them into multinote characters who interact witheach other in interesting ways and have interesting storyarchs and make it sothat, even though the show is largely episodic, you still have reallyinteresting character moments, even if you don't have huge ovarchy plots forthe most part and then also of course, it's the most optimistic show ontelevision absolutely I mean I completely disagree with a hundredpercent of its philosophy, but I think that you know most of the shows justdon't have that same level. Optimism, in fact, that's one of the complaints.That's been leveled at the new star treck and arguably arguably, theculture has shifted away from that in a lot of ways, and it would be niceto see if they go back to that. I think that they said that there, thos kind oftheir intention was to move back into that kind of optimistic setting whichyeah, even if it's unrealistic, it's...

...fiction cares it's nice to have someortivism and it's unusual Oman, majority ot the time infiction when youjump into the future you're jumping into like a postapocalyptic world oryou're jumping into you know, maybe something that's kind of similar to ourown reality. It's very strange to jump ahead and then go at like to you knowwhat is essentially a better culture. Better World Yeah Earth is essentiallyUtopia and star track. Well, just just to clarify when you say new star Treck,do you mean Jj reboot, or do you mean discovery? I mean discovery and Picardaokay, because well, Jegi We'e beet, er movies, movies and series just can'thave the same feel necessarily Ye. It's it something different ther, adifferent animal whell, we're clarifying. I do want to point out whenhe said musical episode earlier we're going to be talking about musicals. Weare not going to be attempting to are having entire podcast to music. I mean we don't know that I will al be Alat quiet. I will bepreparing my own number right. Okay, now be good time to maybe justkind of go through each series and talk about what you guys like about Hem I'lljump in where I've got experience, but I'm not going to have a lot to say onthis. Let's start just with the original series Startad, the verybeginning, yea, I'm actually going to defer to you guys, because I've watchedI've watched it. I've seen a handful of episodes on TV, but the only one thatI've like sat down and watched was the very first episode. I actually becauseI was intending to watch through it and I just haven't gone back to it, butI've only watched the first episode with the changeling person, and so the changingis. It does like a fade of one person, TAT person, pat in right, yeaastic,he's like sucking all the water out of people, yeah so thoughts on originalseries. Why don't you start off and I't kind of yeah? Okay, now to be fair,it's been probably since I think I finished original series and two thousand ten two thousand andeleven. So it's been almost a decade since I've actually sat down andwatched it all the way, through so memories a little foggy on that. Butwhat I appreciated about getting to watch original series after watching the two thousand nine film was thechemistry among the cast members. I thought that was really interesting. Iappreciate a lot of the historical impact that it had not only just on thescience fiction genre, but how it impacted things in our culture as wellbecae, if you enjoy going to conventions. Thank a star. Treck Fanspecifically think the women of Star Trek fans because they're the ones thatstarted the first star trik conventions, dartor Martin Luther King Junor, gotnichel Nichols to stay on the show, even though the studio refused to giveher full starring, Hay, Gen ronberry kept bringing her in as a guest stareffectively. She Ed up getting paid more because she gets stare so manytimes and she would have if they had just paid her as a follcast member, butdorm Marti wither, kin juior wrote to her as she was considering, quoting theshow and said, don't quit, because you are showing that a person of color canbe more than just a maid for a Butler or you know so you're showing that theywill be somebody in the future and what a impact that that had on the culturespecifically later on Whoopie Goldberg, who was later in the star, TAK nextgeneration. She actually saw Lieutenant Ohura on TV and like what crazy he'slike Mama there's a black lady on the TV and she ain't no made. That was abig deal. So I think, culturally speaking, that's what I appreciate themost about the original serieses is cultural impact m, as well as like thecast dynamics, I think my favorite character on the original series isspock. I love Spock, who doesn't love Spock, I'm rambling at this point, butyeah, Oh, and I think, to just the sheer number of like quality writersthey had on the show is like Carlot, Corlin Ellison wrote like on thePacific episode. I want to say city on the Edde of tomorrow, but I don't thinkthat's right and then Robert Matheson, who would go on to wrigt. I am legendwrite for the twilight zone, also a star trick writer as well. So I thinkwhat I really enjoyed about it again coming to it. After watching the moderntrilogy of movies is again, I kind of had an idea of all the characters whenI jumped in it was cool to see them kind of you know slowly be introduced,it was- and you know just thinking back in the time period in which that wasairing. Just the level of you know: hopefulness the level of inclusion inthe cast was pretty remarkable, really cool, I think yeah, my charect, myfavorite character from it would have been would be spock as well, but justthe dynamic that they eventually developed between spack Kirk and whenthey started throwing bones in there regularly that just you kind of see itgo from Wif you're watching it just straight through you kind of see a gofrom being very focused on Kirk to then Kirken pock, and they kind of buildtowards that idea of having the ANSOMP...

...cast. They never quite reach it all theway like they do a Nextgen in the original series, but you can definitelysee where they're getting an idea is how the stories are going to workbetter and things like that. It as just and it's just a lot of fun. It's a goodgood Scifi holds up. You know phenomenal special offensts. I personally find it interesting howmuch the original series reuse, props from other shows and an the ways theygot creative by using those off. I want to offer a correction to myself.Harless Harlin Ellison wrote city on the edge of for river. That was thename of the episode that he wrote and then it was Richard Mathesan, notRobert Matson Don. He he wrote for a star Tharkis hop at as the same guy whowrote. I am legend, which is fantastic. DRING book, not a reat Moe yeah say,depends on which version you watch right, which ending you Wale, yeah, sayyeah, yeah, rigial series I mean. Obviously it started the whole thing,and it was one of those things kind of like star was a new hope where therewas no expectation for this to become the the cultural, momentous, culturalshifting thing that it became. I do think it's interesting that both StarTrek and star wars have become so advented almost like Lord of the ringsdid for Fantasy Star Trek and star wars did for Scifi absolutely on even justgoing back and watching it now, just the ideas that they had for futuretechnology and how we've been able to watch those kind of be developed to berefined and really have an impact on what even our daily life looks like.Today, m start crecking ine the IPAD. I think that was until next gym. It saythere was a lot of things. Star treck did first, that e are now real things,all right that ws good to one. I've actually watched a lot of all right. Let's go ahead and talk about next Gen,I'm only about halfway through it, but so I'll kind of defer to you guys butjump in when I can so I so again I grew up watching episodes, but it wasn'tuntil not recently, but after I got out of college that I sat down and watchedall of next Gen because I think they dumped it on Netflix with the forCBSALL axes came out, but I've always loved piccard right. That was myintroduction to to Patrick Stewart whose phenomenal and was the reason Iwante to go the Xmen, because I was like Oh my gosh, Patrick Stewarts in it.I gonago watch this and I' watch some other movies with him and it he's he'sgreat he's fun actor but yeah next Gen when you watch it all as one chunk it'sinteresting because, because catching individual episodes I always was likeyeah, this is a fun show and then, when I watch it all together, I would getreally annoyed at the weallr philosophy, because I love all the characters. Ilove at the thing they do, but theyre they're, always usually it's te card.Usually I think it really peiks en pecar is trying to convince Qou thathumanity's worth saving mm and when he's describing human, I'm like yeah,that's that's humanity, he's she's nailed in andecrads like no we'veeliminated hunger, we've liminated this and that and the other, so we Liminathunger in poverty and then everyone's good now and I'm like, but that's butthen why are there wealthy people who are the most horrible people in theworld? They don't have hunger, they don't have poverty. So why are theyterrible people? So it's it's just that it's. It really grinds against. What isvery, obviously the truth, and it's a you know: It's a Nice Obviousl, it's anice optimistic approach like well human I's just going to get better, butthat kind of died out that that thought that lineof thought pretty much diedout. It was really high writing high. That wave of of humanism was writingreally high in the eighteenth century. No sorry, the nineteenth century got inthe twentyt century, and then we had two world wars and that pretty muchkilled that and Ben Roben burry was just a really optimistic hopeful thatthis was going to eventually happen. But, of course we know that that's notgoing to happen. In course, all of us as Christians would say that that'snever going to happen unless you're a Postmallenia, okay, Thatwe, are definitely not getting intothat. Maybe e should just do a podcast eShoel get Daniel on here. o talk about different milennials, in which one hethinks is right, because he would do it Toyeah, Oh yeah yeah. You know, I thinkit what Youve digd down to I it's pretty obvious that humanity justcannot improve itself, and you know I think one of the interesting thingsabout next generation is even as you're watching it. The show itselfcontradicts that notion, yeah, all the time yeah like I'm only like for only Ithink, we're about to watch the finale of the fourth season. So I'm about alittle over halfway through and just one of the recurring things is just howstarfleet's being infiltrated and how you know. There's in the originalseries you pretty much can trust starflee in the next generation. Everytime somebody from higher up shows up it's a problem and there's going to beissues and humans themselves are a lot of times introducing the conflict intothe scenario yeah and, of course, there was like. Oh, we go against the primedirective all the time because there's...

...this sense of absolute morality likeit's the right thing to do to help these people, but then, if they alwaysbret that up and you know, do we follow the prime director that we've set outfor ourselves or do we follow ticale, some higher sense of morality, that'scoming from somewhere and that's never really explained right. Speaking of Qu,he wis what it such a good example of Hollywooddoesn't understand what words mean: Keilis Omnipaton, except he's not so,and I just just in my head, always is playing in Niga Mantoia. I need to putthis on the soundboard. I keep saying that word. I do not think it means whatYoul think it means he's on Nepeton, okay, but then how did someone beat himHes, omnipitent? Okay, then? How did he not know what the card was going to do,because if you're omnipotent, that he's also onicion right now IIIAWITmeout? He know I think he's supposed to be both but he's neither in reality andthe whole C. continuing thing is interesting because it's theretheiromnipotent quote unquote on omnipotent beings, but then they have wars, and sohow do? How does one kill Yo another que if they're, both omnipotent atmeans? One of them wasn't? So I always found that funny that theydidn't say the term they're crazy, powerful, NIONTO gods, but they're, notomnipotent, but they're kno. They say no they're upnipotent, and maybe youknow what maybe it's just cue cs: Bragadocio, where he's like yeah, I'm aMNIPATANT, Oh yeah, but he's actually not Spaki, which I loved you. Every episodehe's in his fantastic and jump. Olans he's just wonderbecaus a CESA job he'sa gym yeah. I love that they keep him in all the other star tricks to, and sohe has interactions with as go with canway and the episode with Sisco. It'sactually really sucking a season, one I'm jumping ahead to ds Nin, but he'slike you're, nothing like the card because they get in a boxing match andSiscop just deck hem the card would never hit me yeah. Do you have other thoughts onnext Yean? Before I talk about my thougt as soon as Lieutenant Yaris leftand warf came in right, fantastic, I didn't hate Louton ars lit warf is allsuch a RSIS is as a car by Toyota hm well, whe o going fore. It's n Riogroses beard. That's when thi the show takes off O say: Yes, there's a big fan.Theory of riker beard brings success within next yen yeah. I agree well andit wasn't that lieutent Yarr was a bad character right. It's just that warf issuch an interesting character. Right data, fantastic! I love. I love data asa character, all the major who's, the doctor in that one. That's Dr CrusherYeah. That's right! Yes, crush the gates, Mickten shes she's, fantastic,Blono, troy, it's fantastic! All the major characters are just great andsold one, so also the introduction of the board, which is right, argueably,one of the best enemies in one of the best antagonists in science, fiction,Abe in literature in general. It's such a good antagonist and that's one ofthey're, one of those things that even if you're, not a big fan of star Treck,if you are in that circle, at all you've heard a little bit about theBorg, and you know they're introductd theirepisode, where they're not their introduction, but with the two parterwhere they come back, is considered one of the best cliffhanger endings of alltime, yeah they leave off of Frocard, and it's just right, that's something! Even before I saw theReboot, I had some knowledge of the you know the Borg that that episode, justbecause it that just had such an impact yeah. Absolutely. I think one of myfavorite episodes- and I don't know the name of it. I woar Wat cheason thit'sin, but I remember, the main point is picard gets kidnapped by cardacians andthey're interrogating him theah right lights. It's well! I think that'smy favorite episode to love that episode. It's so good and that's what Ilove about Star Trek is. Sometimes it has a really good treatment onphilosophical issues. Even if it's overarching philosophy is not great anfalse flat, a lot of the time, sometimes they just nail it like whatis truth and the Cardatians telling him there are three lights. No, there are. I love that episode. So much e, the onewhere they're caughtin a time woop and data notice is Ecaus o start dealingthe cards to signal yeah. You seen that one yet not yet, but I like, I said,don't worry about spoilers it's I it's not really. SPEL itcul becomes veryobvious, very eaverly that they're stuck in Te timewoon right, that's agreat episode, the ones all the Qu episodes, W Goto Sherewoodforest yeah, not o Vey, mad bcause, the like Jus, like lookn. Atthese costumes we have. We got to do something like the Holodeck wasdesigned just so they could play around with a bunch of different costumes. Ilove it. Thiy didn't have to justify when they wanted to. You know, gosomewhere like they did in the original series like yeah. This is planet. Thatis exactly like a eath EXCEPO. This Bon Pana takes place in gun smoke.

All right. Let's be Anto, I could Icould ke speak a lot M ani got that next year. I know you speak. Oh mygoodness. I've still got a little to say too, okay, all right next Gen. For me, I think every star,treck sere has its merits, but I think what I enjoy the most about next genare the the cast of characters. I think that's got the best Onsembo cast of anyof the SAR trik series, and I love them all and I think they're all greatonsongo cast, but I think next Jon is probably the best the the because I came to star Trek as an adultdidn't watch it growing up. I am having these weird reactionswatching the TV series when, in my head, Patrick Stewardiss, professor x and Balan or Dianna, troy deener, troyis Domona from Gargo Ias like. Why is she nice? Why is she a counselor commander? Wriker is Zanato Songgarbols like half the cast of next gen jump to gargols after next to the, andthat was that's my fall time. Favorite animated series- and so I just washaving all these weird reactions is like- is Geordy Leforge, going to readme a book. This is you know this is fascinating. A brince spider was onthere too, so man yeah, I think my favorite episode to is the there arefour lights o yeah. I think next Jin is interesting because that's the last series that Jeanrodenberry was directly involved in and so and as if I understand correctly,Jean Ronberrs, a secular humanist, just yeah, so he you know he has thephilosophy of that humans can grow and improve him and be better, and you knowhis his world building reflects thatsome of the things that youaddressed. Your concern regarding optimism, Athanil putcard. Actually Ithink the PECARD series deals directly with them. We'll talk about that Whit,Lis, okay, yeah, we'll talk about that when we get there but yeah. I think forme what I enjoy the most about next Jin is just watching the cast interact,Michael Dorn, also in garboils he's Coldstone, but he's some he's a he's. Somebody else inthe live chroncles as well o as the third season anyway, but yeah just thecast is great. I like that. I, like all of the episodes where you get toexplore wharf as a cling on who was raised by humans and how he deals with that conflictwhile not losing the identity of either race. I think that's just a especiallyinteresting, dynamic, yeah think what I've enjoyed about it so far again isjust the cast the ensombles so we'll put together. We talked about that alot already, I think so far in Star treck data is my absolute favoritecharacter, thinkfl his exploration of humanity. From like this, you can'teven say, joyful really, but like this optimistic approach and he's trying tolearn things O, we just watched the episode where he one of the othercrewmen decides that she wants to date. Him- and he goes through this datingrelationship- is just so interesting to watch or watch his reactions to therest of the cast and their experiences right and then so far we ere talkingearlier about. You know sometimes how, despite the overarching philosophy, notreally agreeing with it, they tackle on issue and they just hit it head on andjust do it so well. We actually just watched an episode where there 's a spyon board the enterprise they bring in. Basically a team of investigators andbasically just becomes a witch Huntan they're going through and just throwingout. FTRUS lies just trying to trip people up, and I was just sitting therethinking you know in our Internet culture, where we're just alwayslooking for a flaw looking for a way with Tak people, just how interestingthat was again only about only a little over halfway through, but justabsolutely loving it. So far again, talking about Patrick Store, talkingabout card again, two captains only so far, but I definitely enjoying the cardas a captain. I think more because the shit, the new show is an onsamble CAS,whereas Kirk was definitely kind of the main character. The original series Tecard is like supporting cast almost episodes focused on other characters.Most of the time, which I think is a more interesting than Ahave you seen. IShaw this my dad and he didn't appreciate it as much as I wanted im tosomeone took. You know he's like trying to Wuann the flut yeah and it keeps youkeep getting interrupted. Someone overlaye that with just like reallyreally bad flute, music and then every time it cuts away it cuts away to therest of the could be like got we're more about the crash leave me alone closeit's. I cannot say I've seen thatone, but that sounds fantastic. All right, you guys are ready to move on todeep space Nihe, it's Doit, Allare gonna have to lead on from here for themost park, es a Goy all right. The thing o you and I have talked aboutthis before, but I think we both agree that of all the Star treck series, deepspes, nine has the best writing. Yes, I agree. Also I one of the things Ireally like about eep space. Nine is...

...that is the first star treck series todeal with religion of any kind yeah. I think that's interesting, because Jeanrodenberry definitely was adamant that star Treck's not going to talk aboutreligion, but there are a few episodes of next gen where they meet rageouspeople, but they always they always write it off. As just it's a it's, a anaberration of evolution right eventually that goes the way. Yeahright right, yeah, whereas do specinine the pajorian religion, is a primary vocal point around the entireseries. So I think I think that's really interesting. I also think it'sinteresting that it's the only series where their stationary yeah e Dspace,not space station, so instead of bodly going where no one's gone beforeeverybody is coming through the warmhole and hanging out, at course,and to me that's what, when I think about all the series- and I like all ofthem- maybe that enterprise rer gaing get to that one, the that's! What makesit so interesting is because they don't have this whole Bildy, going where noman as Goin befor and getting into which, when we talk about Vayager nextThi, is one of it was one of its sumling blocks in some ways, but theyreally got to focus on the character and this culture clash between Cardasiaand Baysor, and the effects of and occupation hostile occupation and thewounds of war and religion, and all these topics that they didn't reallytouch on or Eir they did. It was like one episode right, but there are thesejust entrenched things that even if they're not focal points they impact,what everyone's doing the dominion and Odo Kura and her working it. Theresistance and Garrick who's, just the most fascinating character and Geldecot,and I just every part of it. I love so much and I'm going to say sisgoes. Mycaptain sister here, ith cane way in close second and Picardan close thirdSIS SISCO, is great yeah. I I thought again star Trek Great OnsemboCasts, I think. If I were going to pick a favorite character, I would probablychoose Kura Misour Terefn coast, I've actually gotten to meet nonnob visitor.She came to con Carolinas in twenty. Sixteen, I believe, O she is a supersupernice lady took a picture with me, get to take her hands seller majorhures, my favorite I enjoyed watching how she starts the series very, veryangry and watching how her character grows from the I thought that was asuch an interesting dynamic and then her relationship with Odo was justfascinating. Just I really really enjoyed watching her arc. It's reallyinteresting because both her and O'Brien have to deal with their theiressentially their racism against Cardassians, Oh, which was you know it.The same reason that you know a Jewish pw would be racist against Germans andit's really interesting to watch them gowl and like okay. Not all is, butthere's one really good episode. I think it's in the first season, wherethis guy shows up and- and he you know- he's like I'm Gal Darheel, who wasapparently some horrible leader and it turns out, he's just a file clerk andthat he's he has convinced himself that the only way Cardassi is ever going toacknowledge it sinses. If he goes and gets executed for this trying toexecuteed for gold, I heels stuff and tarafines out, and you know the Cura from the previousepisodes would have been like yeah kill him me, Scriedt Astan, but I jis eneyou see her start to grow and say not. All cardascians deserve to die,especially not one who, even though he wasn't able to doanything at the time, recognize that it was horrible and is willing to try tomake atonement for it. Right and O'Brian is just he takes longer to comearound to not hating cardascians, but it'sreally interesting that they both have this this internal because of what theyexperience during the occupation. They have this internal hatred ofcardacians and are in a position where they have to interact with a lot ofCardassian right. I think jumping back in because that's one of the things I'mkind of looking forward to, I really enjoyed them getting introduced in deepspace, nine and seeing O'Brien's reaction. I thought that was actually really great character building and I'mlooking forward to seeing that explored more in the future, especially when youguys talk about it, yeah, Obrian and o'ridonwarf. I don't remember: WARFhasn't come in ye where me and my dad re watching it n were half toug thesecond season yeah I Gan warfise an Comminia yeah. They come in at thethird season, because that's when next Jin ended right right he's great. Ialso think it's funny I could brink remember so. WARF is the best chief ofsecurity in both next Gen and ands nine. I like Julian. As a doctor, I lovedocor bees he's great. He was. It was really weird to see him play racialgool on Gotham, Oh really, yeah. I gom like you're supposed to be healingpeople. Why are you doing? I was very disappointed that his rolling game ofthromes was not larger, yeah there's well, you know Ho Wase rihit.So I my Resan eericanprince of Dorn, Oh...

...okay, oberon's brother, okay, over aMartel's brother, doring, Doran, mortel, yeah, okay, yeah, because I think he's great in the Egagain that's about her. So so many things I could say about SOFOR setwornot gonnamaybe Ngra Coan. Do that because I have not watched I've readthe book, so I can pitch in on the books I have done both so, but whatelse about? What that? So, one of the other things that's interesting about-and- and this I didn't realize until I saw someone pointing it out- is all alot of the trouble the ships get into, especially voyager wojest, like themost guilty of this, is theyr tinkering with their own systems and or doingsome some experiment thing and they run into trouble. I just love that on deepspace, nine, it's really just a battle between Obrien and the space station yeah I like they never cause their ownproblems. Quark causes a couple problems. I love corts character, evenif cork is great, even if defrank Yoar argually, probably a potentially aproblematic representation yeah. I think quark is awesome and you see himgrow too, which is really interesting, yeah and- and his brother Nog is no ishis brother is his brother. is his brother is no no not case the kid nowagust his nephew yeah NOGs das, yeah stat, oh my gosh. What's the I blinking?Oh my gosh, okay, I'm Gonta, Be God who was o Dad Wrong. Ro, O, Hey, I loveRomrom is adorable, he's like the most unfrangy Firangi and he's when he'stries to be the stereotypical Franky and he's bad at it. It's hysterical. Ilove. I Love Rom Yeah Rom is great one of the things I'm thinking about whyl.You guys are bringing this up. That's really interesting about star Trek as awhole and I'm just starting to see so far as they introduce. You know thisrace of people or this race of beings thit's just irredeemable and even asfar as as far in as I am they've completely, you know, they'll bring ina character they'll bring in you know the interjuice character intothe crew and it's here's. The other side of you know like even justexploring wharf and the clangon and the first series you wouldn't think, acling on and Oh yeah, the Federation get O get along at all right and thenwharf comes in you kind of see this duality of his natures, like you weretalking about before, and you kind of get to it's just this message of youknow: Bu, no matter how bad it looks. You need to try and see it from theother side, and you can actually it's that hopefulness. You can wait,integrate those cultures, you can bridch the Gat and that, I would say,is it's funny. You know all truth is God's Trueh that idea that no one'sactually yourredeemable right. I think it's a really important message,especially in today's culture of you know, so you disagree with me. You'rethe worst person ever and you're literally hit a so I think that is andthat's why I will accept the humanism if we can just get back that optimismof people are redeemable right, even these races that were bred for war orwhatever still have good people in them. Good People YeahYeah, O Don. You bring that up, because the clingons in original series looknothing like the clingons. Now they actiitely think dd an episode of PhinkPace, D Nihe. They go back in time. The turtles episode the chivls episodesthey go back in time and I don't remember who but mentions thewar like. Why did the clingons look different and Worf just says? We don'ttale dout tha and that's. I love that because they're like they explained itby not explaining it well and they again, you have a variation on cling onheadbridges in Discovery. That's different to so. The whole thing is very interesting:Yeah Yeah! It's that's, and I mentioned this one. We talked about Star Wars.The prosthetic work in Star Trek is just so good. It's incredible. It's sogood and it really shows the dedication that made all these really. They lookreal yeah, all the prosthetics, almost all of them, and maybe one or twoexceptions. But you look at him like that. person is like that. Like warright has those headridges he the cardacians, have that crazy scale thinggoing on and, and you think, about, there's a character on DP pace, Nincalled more and he's like a joke character, a never speaks a single lineof Dialogu and he's nmentioned in a couple episodes. They have like onespecial episode where they have to save morn or something like that it had totake hours to put his throsthetic on Oh yeah, it's crazy yeah, and I just thatlevel of dedication in your craft and I think, discovery to certain extent heldon to this, even though they because the clinkons look really good rightthat why I don't think that was CGI, I could be wrong Wa to my knowledge, ifit was, it was really good, but I think they, for the most part, did prostheticwork right in Picardan in Discovery Discovery, and it just looks reallygood. It's amazing what you can do with pasthetics yeah and they put a lot ofdetail like you're, saying even into the background. carenters, that's oneof the things I've really enjoyed watching next generation. Is You know,there's just these alien races just walking around in the background younever even at least them to this point. I've, never even you know, met acharacter like a named character from...

...there Roi'm, like Oh yeah, N, I'mstarting to recognize Ri. Thank and that's one thing that startrick does really well, as it shows this the crazy diversity of all thesedifferent planets without having to say, Hey, look. We have twelve differentplanets ar twelve twelve thousand different plans and here's nailing fromeach one. You just like who's that guy I wan know about that. Guy Yeah and itkeeps you it keeps intrigue without overexplaining things. I think theparall of that and star wars would be the CANTINA scene where they walk inthe Cantina and there's just a million billion diferent awesome looking ateioers and they don't explain anyof Theyr, just like Oh there's on solo andit's like it builds. It's really good example of showing overtelling yeahtsay nine, my favorite. Do you have a favorite episode? That's a such a hard question. I, TheDominion. Episodes are so good, but I think this I think deep PAC Tine wasthe on Tan that introduced the dark galaxy, the dark universe, the darkmirror universe. They may have done in next Shim, but I know indeep space nineand I mention it in discovery. They reference it are you I mean, I'm sorry,would you say that the dark? U You're, talking about, Mirror Mirror non, no,just maybe, but in deed space night I know they go to. There is an alternateversion, there's an alternate universe where all the good guys are evil.That's actually from the starte Ou Thera say that was an original sateryeah yeah, that's yeah. The marry Universe is origii started with thericials yer, the ZM space Tine, one s is reallyversion of that is really good.They that Mary Universe gets it recurs it recurrnce yeah. I love the MaryUniverse. It's been used to rethe. I don't want to spoil anthing now, butMary Universe is awesome yeah, and I think that was a really good.Despacenine episode. Tho, honestly, the finale was Ay good R, just wild. Ithink my personal favorite is probably far beyond the stars. WHATII don't doepisode Na Sarbe on the stars is the one where Sisco has these unusual brainpatterns and hes goes back. One ths is and he's Alon tuling science fictionwriter has to deal with racism and things like that. Oh Man, he he acts sowell. I cried, I cry so far. Every time they do time travel back to the modernday or back to you know what was at the time the modern dayit's really held up.Well, it's really I've found it really enjoyable. Even in the sew series IWASC here we go it's about my story, isn't it that'swhat this is ball about? He didn't want to publish I my stor, and we all knowwhy, because my hero is a colored Mor Hey. This magazine belongs to MisterStone. If he doesn't want to publish his month, we don't publish this myth,end of story that doesn't make it right, and you know it don't tell me what Iknow. Besides it's not about. What's right,it's about what is and I'm afraid I've got some more badnews for you, Bennin Mister Stone has decided that your services are nolonger required here. What profiring me? I have no choice, Tany, it's hisdecision. Well, you get in front of me. I quit to hellwith you and Helpr to stay. I'mtied of being calm. Come never gotme a damn thing. I'm warning you Benny! If you don't stop this, I'm going tocall the police do go ahead. Tal Them Call anybody what they can't doanything to me not anymore and not can any of you, but you Canotdi, ienis, future at's pace, eachthse people that and Myunt I created it. Everyone of you know it. You write it Youwhat, I'm telling you you can popa story, but you cannotdestoy t andn, you understand! That's Acent Nowledgeyou Cann idea, crated REDON'T YOTN! It is real. Icreated it, I'm es so good, yeah, it', so good and en say, if he didn't win anoy for that he deserved an eything Godis racious. He Actually Avery Brooksactually directed that episode as well just fantasinic Socetiehe's, so good atturning on his emotions, I I think all the captains have been pretty good atat emoting. Chattner, maybe got a little weird about it. Hehad his own step, yeah, yes,...

...but en push came to shove right thewrath of Kan, he showed no. He could he could choose some scener yeah, but man,that's! Ah That's a great episode, Yeah, the one where they go back to because a two parter where they go backto Earth during the fad years. yesthat. Yes, that that' part of the ResistanceFanta, that's really o all ths thesenine time travel episodes are allreally good, yeah for sure any other thoughts on deep space. Iow We head ofI love Ono. I love Te Sheer. I love Garrek Garrik such a such aninteresting charatee kind of POPs, int cops out and it's just super enigmaticand and just like, plays bashere all over the place. I it just. I find it B. that's he assignsmy favorite series. I just love it so much yeah any final ot acthally! No, I think I think far beyond thestars is a really great sumation of why I love Ds, Nin, so much just creativewith their writing and I love. I love the concept Os. You can't kill an idea and in the way that fiction becomesreal. If, for me at least, I would be a verydifferent person, but for the stories I read as a kid and wauched, and even asan adult like, I am still very shaped by the stories I interact with, and Ithink that that's a perfect metaphor for that, and I also want to say KaiWin Kaiwin. I I hate hi have so much respect foractors who can go out there and make me loathe them right right, like the guywho played joffrey apparently did didvoan apparently he's a super supernice guy in real liy and that's like always the case. They always pick thebiggest jerk people on television, alright, so Kaiwin she's the wore just the worstperson, ind existence, she's, manipulative and she's backstepbedeveryone an I e side. She has like dolorous umbrage kind of voice. Yepwere shealso like welten and, like it's very matter of fact, Tome she does notlike emote like s s e. She it's it's like. This is how it is, and youknow, and she's clearly manipulating, oh the religion, to write further hercause, yeah and doesn't actually seem to believe in it at all right, it's atool. So moving on to voyager I'll, let you start this. You go as long as youwant to. Oh Man, boyager is my favorite. If I'm choosing a captain IAM going allthe way to the Delta Quarin te jam every single time, hopefully you getback, hopefully yeah. I think couple of things just off the top of myhead. What I really like about voyager overall, I think you have the mostdiverse cast in terms of star Trek people groups. You know we get. Youknow we get a. We get a new vulcan and I and Youow Tuvok is very differentfrom spock. In a lot of ways you have nelix. Who is what is newlooks race? Oh goodness, I'mtotally blinking, I'm just GOINTA Google. What is nelix right cast is 'n, O Campa. We, you know thefirst time we see it. No CAMPA and you've got balana Torres, whos, half human halfcling on its very different MULICIS tolaxic Talaxam. Thank you. Thank you.Thank you. So you've got a diverse cast, which I personally just find veryinteresting to watch how all of these different kinds of people interact. Ireally I love the doctor who's a Hologram,that's new and interesting. I and just Robert Percardo is hilarious. I thinkhe's my favorite doctor he's he's Ryan's favorite doctor aswell, for the uninitiated. Right is myhusband, but he loves Robert CACARDO. He and Efhen ethon Phillips, who playedNeelix. Apparently I listen to a podcast once we're. Apparently theseguys go up for the same roles, a lot because they have the ou know the sametype of like older middleaged, Baldin guy and so ethon Phillips was saying how he would go an audition for a role andthen he wouldn't get it and then he'd find out Robert Pecarno got it and hecouldn't even be mad because he loves Robert, so muchis find that funny. Butwhat I I one of the things I like the most about voyager is that you reallyget an opportunity to get creative. You get to go to all these places nobody'sever been to before, because nobody's ever been out that far into the delticQadri. I think also the the ways the cast was forced to adaptor the crew was forced to adapt to things like we can't just replicate allof our food. We have to find alternate energy sources and also just having thedynamic of having a woman captain is something new and interesting. LastNovember I got to go to Robaland...

Camacan and I got to meet Kate MulgerWHO's S, amazing, she's, just a wonderful human, and to hear her talkabout how when she was brought in as the captain. How again I don'tunderstand why you have this dynamic in the Star Trek Fandom, where you had alot of people who were really upset? There's a woman in the captain's chair.I've never understood that I just like with they were like. Oh, the DOCRfemale now and I knew heas eleven years old. So I forgive him right he's like Idon't want a female cat or female doctor. It's Yiah, it's! It will seemreally weird. I the doctor's, a weird alien thing. It could be like a sentit tree right still be the doctorright, but you know there was a lot of fanbacklash, and so there were weird things that they tried to do with her,like behind the scenes to make her more appealing to that fan, base and she'sjust basically said Ethit, because they kept doing like weird things like ifyou'll notice in like seasons, one into like they keep doing weird things withher hair. All the time and and she's, like Captain Jane Way,has to pilot like run a ship out of the Delta Quadri, who the F cares, what shedoes with her hair. Like just going, I feel like it's her. It's her copingmechanism right, an e just she like te calm down in the morning like Oh, my goern last in the del O quonch ye just styles, her hes Li, okay, we're good,what's Gat yeah, so it like that was. That was athing and they thought about like giving her a love interest andbasically she actually came down and said: listen if they're not going toaccept Cathine Janeway in the captain's role, then nothing else that we do isreally going to change that M, and so you know that's why Isshue was animat.That janway wouldn't have a love interest. You know, eventually she cuther heir shorter and it didn't matter anymore. You know she's, like she's busy beingthe captain, and I thought that was really that's. I really respect that just thatfrom an acting standpoint, because I know how difficult that must have beenfor her to have to deal with that M. I think the thing that I admire about heras a car as a character is that even when she faces all of these incrediblydifficult situations, she persists and still moves forward and it doesn't stop.She doesn't let anything, stop her and even like you in the finale, when youknow they're, almost home they're almost there, but then they have thisopportunity to really cripple the board and she's like we have to take thatrisk, because the board Ar so dangerous, Kate, Muger's angry voice just makes mereally happy that SIS aout Mebutey, like El with the prime directive, sister yeah. Why did I ever stopdrinking this stuff yeah and you drink my coffee, black, soJeez ishe's, a phenomenal captain. So for me I love poyager and I loveJane Way. I CICARDO Hardo, the doctor. Did they ever name the doctor? Theynever named him the anything other than the doctor. The doctor is my favoritedoctor. I think he has. He has such an interesting character, artisis, likehim figuring out who he is being a HAL and EMERCON collgram. You know at firsthe's resisting and then it's SOMP whle. He gets to the point where there's youknow a chance of him being rebooted and he's like. I don't want to be rebooted.I have memories now on a person now right. So thit is really interesting. Ithink for me th the first, the first and we've talked about this one of thereasons that I think voyager struggles a little bit in terms of conhesiveness.When you compare it to next in or to D pase nine. All of them are Gat Tesodic,which is not it's a fine format. The difference is voyager. There areobviously the episodes where they have to interact with the Kason whoare. TheKASON are annoying because it's like they're going after voyager totealtheir technology because they're they want the Technola, but they always beatvoyager in a fightso. I'm like clear. The technology is not that good you're.I don't get it, but there's a lot of stuff where they put themselves in thatsituation and they really should be focused on getting home, whereas innext Gen, when they put themselves in that situations like well they'resupposed to be exploring they're, not any rush to get home, but I reallythink one seven of nine comes on board is when Ilinter meeally takes offbecause the whole crew dynamic changes and then the board becomes an imminentthreat again. Yeah, it's all just really reallyfascinating. I honestly think one of the reasonsthat it takes a little while to get going it's because for a long time itfocuses a lot of time on Tom Paris and Harry Kim, who are just not interestingcharacters compared to the rest of the crew they're fine and they get better.I like Tom and Harry. I do totake it better. I do too, but but there'sthere's a lot of episodes early in that my dad just started. We watching thisas well, so I've just watched like the first season and a half, and it reallyspends a lot of time on common Harry and they don't do much. Ik nothinghappens. So I'm like I want to know...

...what Janway is doing. I want know whatChicote and Tuvak and Balana are doing the whole mackui part. That's the caseon part to me. Wasn't that interesting, but the whole monkey element, I think,is fascinating with here. Are these traiders and jamies like we have towork together or we're not getting home? SAYING SADDLE UP CHACOTES can be notnumber one yeah and which is a bold move as like we are at. We wereliterally enemies. The whole reason we got heres. We were chasing you down,I'm making you my second and command, because we have to make this work right.I just I think it really rams up and I think the Nowi I loved, I thought itwas so cool where were Jane Way is yelling at Jane Way. Jame MAS, like you've, got too far JameWaynes, like you, haven't gon too far enough. The PENALI was such a great fanaly yea,a o, sorry have a favorite episode. That was what I was about to ask you. I love the Finala. I think noisspectacular IFVE had to pick another one. I think the episode where they hor the two I think is to parter, where they team up with the board, is andlike right before they get seven yeah. That one is very interesting. Theyre,the one the one where the doctor has to run the ship by himself yeah that one'sgreat, but there's this one really really interesting episode. I don'tremember what else happens, but I remember so Balana I think Badagis withcacote right Ohboloni ends up with Tom Paris, Tom Paris, that's right. Bulanand Tom are having a baby, yeah and so she's sitting at this coputer desk,messing with her kids genetics to try and make him look more human becauseshe'she's remembering the persecution she got for looking half cling off forBaing half cling on and it's saying: wouldn't it be better for my kid ifthey didn't have to go through this and then Tom Paris comes in and they havethis conversation of bedoesn't matter. What my kid looks like I'm going: TaLove Them anyways and she's, like of course, we will because wre we're theirparents, but I don't want them to have to suffer like. I did right becauseregardlesslef whof, this kid looks like we're going to love them, but noteveryone. People, people will look at our kid and see the cling on ridges andand hate them, and I don't want my kid to have to go through that. So Ithought that was a fascinating episode that, as good hat's been a long time,sice I've seen that one that s that's a really fascinating point yeah it was Iwas I was like dead for for PG Scifi, that's really deepyeah and they did a really good treatment of both. You know there'smerit on both sides, but I think they ultimately made the decision. We wantour child to be our Hildon e Goinna love them matterwhat they look like for sure. So I thought that was really really cool. I think my favorite I mean all the onesyou mention are fantastic. I think my favorite standalong is macrocotom amongthe fan base, Tha, occasionally that one's called the J way gun show, butit's basically a spoof on alien, which is my all time, favorite movie and soyeah. I so I love it. I love it for that reason, but I watched that one again. The weekend I went up for RobillandKamacawith with a body of mine and also also big Jan Wy Fan. So we werewatching that one again she's like Oh, you like that get J. Wy gunshow she'sfrom Rhode Island, so she tomds like that and as like, I don't think it'sactually called the Jane won, go juhes like no! No, but that's a good episode. So we watched that one together. It wasreally fun but yeah. My Macro Cosin is my favorite, largely because it is aspoof on alien and Thatas, really fun that one's good. The the one episode ofVoyager Verqu was. There is also really good because lie ittng on Jala and Jaes,just not having any O tas like yeah get out of my house athat's a good one e fun episode. Allright sounds like you guys are ready to move on talk about enterprise. Thiswill be brief, yeah N FIV or six year since I've seenenterprise. I've only seen like a handful of episode since then soprobably a wittll Brek, but I have some funs okay. So let me let me summarizemy feelings about enterprise, so here's the Intro tof the original series, a final frontoyou. These are the voyages of a starshipenterprise. It's five yeur mission to explorestrange. Did it actually last five years? No three seasons Onlan so but goletter writing campaign got atthat ters a kind of orchestral, but but SCIFI.Here's next Gen space, the fial front to you. I love that poice. These arethe voys of thestarship enteprimes. It's continuing mission to explorestrange new worlds to seek go new life and newcivilizations tonno one has gone. Bei Te change it toknow one...

O antyou teep space, nine, which person the season one version; okay, they tink,I mean they shorten it, but they adda percussion as well. Yeah. We don't needto listen to both the feel is the important pone. I do love the horns. Hestar Trek, as always made good use ofthe French Horn R. I love it and here's voyager again with the with the horns andthey've all just been these majestic cright sat they sound like you're,going into space right and then here's enterprise imanyways. I think I've made my point Iplaned Thi Song like I was so taken aback the first time I watchedenterprises like what the heck was that, but by the time I got to the end of theseries, like my husband and I are both like builting the same song in theoanhe's, not a bad, deep song, it's just it's. So how O it feel so out ofplace compared to the other stuff it and I didn't understand why they did it.Pre Yeah Iman. I don't know well because like when wetalk about thestufery discovery was a prequal, but they did it in a way thatI liked GT. Enterprise was just kind of poring and the characters just didn'tclick. I don't know, there's a lot of the characters. I really like myfavorite character from enterprise and one of my all time, favorite startichcharacters just period is trip Charles Tucker, the thirdhmm. What I love about trip is, I love. Ilove his gumption. I love his courage. I love, I think, what really Drev me tohim is that he's a very positive portrayal of a southern person mmwhichwe, don't see very often in popular media. I was very disappointedwhen I weard contaterners actually from Washington stateare you kidding meActingiid'tfe put on to me. Like I mean he sounds like my uncles, I'm from East Tinnessee, so I mean I know what people from the south aresupposed to sound like, and he he does that and I don't think it was without merit.I did hate it. It just didn't live up to the standard that the other ones hadset and it didn't feel like they were exploring anything that interesting,and I think that was maybe, if they had said it in hey, could have been premolbut t if theyd said it in a different location, it didn't feel like. We wereactually learning interesting, new things. Well, you do get A. I think, like some of the stuff withThezindi is actually very interesting, and I've only watched all watched allof it through once so. The details are fuzsy Buli wow, the arks in that w werefairly interesting. I really love the dynamic between Topaul and Yo this thefirst time a vulcan is on a starshipand. Watching them learn to interact and get along wellwas just really interesting form. Jolie blaylock is very underrated. Also,apparently, if you see her in real life, you will not recognize her as Tho Paul,because she gshe's actually blonde and what was the name of baculas CaptainCaptain Archer archir that'sh right, I don't think Scottback was a bad actor.I don't think he was bringing as a game. I haven't seen him in enough stuff toknow so I I've really only watched that and then he's chucks dad in Chucka yeah.I mean enterprises didn't grab me the way the other ones do. Yeah and andagain I think all star Treck has its...

...merits. I like I like the characters, but tar trick has always done greatcharacters well and also, if I understand correctly, there is sometechnical history like why enterprise didn't last as long it wasn't just thatit wasn't it received as well. The seasons did agon, it only went forthree yeah. It is not gin very long. If I understand correctly, it endedabout the time the up and network ended, which was what paramount was trying toestablish their own tvnet Wen consol voyger originally aired on UPNenterprise dude as well. That network did not get off the ground like theywanted and obviously doesn't exist in m. So there there are some problems withthat as well. So there's some external conflict, yeah iyeah- I don't know theyjust and again when I was watching it. I didn't hate it, but I also rememberit didn't. Get me excited like other star treck did I personally didn't wantthem to do to do a Prequel, because I didn't really I wanted again. I wasvery young at the time, so I was like. I want more technology. I want us toregress in technology, but I think I would be okay with it. How, althoughdiscovery again went back to the prequel and they have different moreadvanced echnology with their spore drive yeah. Let's say: Enterpriselasted forors, Four Seasons, idat episode yeah, so it ot longer than Ithought it did yeah well D. I ton go back. I need to go back and wew watchit. Maybe I'm given I a bad ratbecause. I don't. I don't remember a whole lot.I remember the captain and did the captain in the Vul can get it on? No,that was trip that was trip. I remember that scene. That's it did they did youdo it in Zyrog? Am I misremember I'm mixing it up withsome other a MI mixing up, I e maker. Do I don't think there was n fondepisode? I think the CAST is interesting. Yeah again all the castsare interesting. Oh Yeah, you know in general, whatever you do, a prequelyou're, limiting yourself petially in something that you know taken at thispoint for series before it. An just continue to go forward and filled outthe universe. There's so many things that you may have enjoyed from previousseries that you just can't go back to because of the nature of the time witit you might have to leave the room. You talk about discovery yeah, it'sCoan be hard for us to talk whith that with that spoiler, yea well nd, and Ithink we also have to take into consideration. Enterprise takes placeone hundred years prior to original series right. So they don't even havework drives right, they're, just or they're just developed. Do TheyOlikerfo, I think its like the Max. You can O Tinurii think he's ine original scirs,because I think, like one of the major points in the in the that was theydeveloped like the first experimental port drive. That's, I think, that'sright. It's been a while. So it's wow, you know what I need to go back everywatch. I think I do as well. I might be giving it a bad rap, but I definitelyLov so so before we jump into discovery. Becard, let's rank it. So for me Ican't put original series on there. Just haven't watched enough of it. Okay,so for me BS I and voyager next Gen and those are all close together and thenenterprise lower. And then, if I were to slap discoveryin, I would put discovery and Picard just under next gym, but there hasn'tbeen that much of it so yeah that this is. This is really tough, yeah, they're,all great so yeah. I say I I love all of them. If I'm going to pick one tokeep watching, I'm obviousl, I'm Goinna Pin Poiter, because Jame was my captain,it's really a tossup for me between DS, nine and next Jim m enterprise. Theoriginal series of that original run of five seriesputting in discoverying thecard. I like them both about the same and I'm honestly, I'm not really surewhere I would put them in just because I feel like they're different in a wayFr from the other five florte grades. I LETL GE and I think it's maybe justthertheir product of their time and that they are not episotic perse yeah.They are like the first star treck series to really deal with an overarking story because they were toldg on a streaming platform yeah. So you don'thave all the filler episodes. We would never have that weird Lizard episodefrom Voyager Noa God whatever, so I don't remember that on Jason, when you get there, you'll knowexactly what I'm talking about. Youre Bik wow butit's, not great what kind ofRackare they on. I feel like every star Trik has thatone episode your Lik, so they just ran out of idea, and it's always it's never like at theend of the season or the beging. It's always like in the middle ran wherethey were ll. Just like our cocaine bucket ran out. We had go refill, itwalls getting Refilli, I the yeah. No, that was a that's a very definition oflike a crack FIC interesting, but speaking of discoveredthe card. Let's just talk totally, they definitely were te got, and that was acomplaint that I'v had some conversations with some people that were complaiting that it wasn't.It didn't feel like star treck because...

...it didn't have that optimism, but forthe first season this is 't a spoiler, it's about the cling on war. So it'syou know it's hard to it's hard to portray that optimism when you're inthe middle of a war, for your entire culture's existence right. So I thoughtit was great. I thought the the thing that happens halfway through the seasonwas brilliant because I thought it was. It was okay, we're doing this now, butthen they brought it all back and wrapped it up into a nice neat bow andit was to me it was like when you read an Egat, the Christi novel and thenit's Reveale at the end, you, like everything, makes sense now, so I thought it was fantastic. Ithought I think the characters are great at you because at first I waslike. Why is this? I was like. Why is Michael, so mechanical and then' likeOh, because she was raised as a vulcan like? Oh, that makes perfect sense, ofcourse right, but I think the I think this great I'm super excited to seewhat season three I'mlike. Why the season are you going? Ta Drop, I'msuper excitehing. They keep not telling us. I was really hoping we would getthat announcement. Ath of a car finish yeah, because again, without wishing tospoil for Jason, who has not gotten there yet-and this is one- this series is one. I have no problem spoiling like deepspace, nine or next Gen, a Teoy gone for twenty plus sure right, but alsothey don't have like this ovvirting story in the sameway that this one does not written in that, but not written in this mind satlike there are major things that happened. I I literally stood up andWen ward yeah. Oh my gosh. It's really really good andof course, Michel Yeo. You, Michelle Yeah Yeah, show Yoa. I think that's, Ohmy God, she's amazing and section. When is the sections any one thin coming out?I think the cast is great. It was really weird n when tally, tally, tally,killy tilly, when tilly dropped an FBOM I was confused. I was like. Did I justmisshear that no no star Trek of mine has swearing in it young lady and thenthere is the weird cling on boob sex part yeah, a that was really weird andsuddenly there is a butt and suddenly moit was yeah exactly exactly. I waslike okay guys. Yes, you can have it, but you don't need it. I'm Goin towatch this, regardless of how much skin you're showing come on guys rightbecause it start track yeah and Picar. They dropped a lot of fol yeah and Iwas like this is weird: You don't Ahave Carton, Tehol TAT boy Scout. He doesn'tyeah use ATFOM. I don't think you did was ohhe did dide. Did he ik remembergetting. I remember he like goes into the general in the generals. It's justlike get the fuck out and Jus pleet that yea, but but I like I'm, thank you pardon. What did she say?Are you a general wait wt? What is happening right now? You can't say thaton TV ATS N say Hif you ever heard of General Speaki yeah but yeah. So that was really jarring tome to hear people dropping F bumbs in my beloved series of Star Trek when,honestly, that dialogue did not merit f bombs, no especially the one that tillydrops that one's just so out of left field and totally meaw they're, justlike talking about something cool they did, and she just like. This is reallyeften cool. Like sorry what I think it's probably nearly as jarringis. You know when I watched Logan for the first time just seein Patrick stort,is professor x just dropping f bombs, right yeah. Look! So Weird Shat was agreat what and it was wt a good way to go out. Wel wellhave to do next, Minte, pisode,yeah and don't have to watch DART PHOENIXbutyou. Try to explain that time. I have to watch xpen APORKUPS and darkains. I really don't want to. I didn't think APOCALYPS was as bad aseverybody made it. A Phoenix was as bad as everyone I blackluster yeahapocalops was fun, but I'm both anything with APOCALYPS and the darkphoenix are going to be hard to Adamn right sure, film. It didn't help thatthey hired the same guy to do it twice that made no sense to men like. Whywould you I mean I believe in second chances, but if you have a guy whomurdered a franchise, you don't say: Hey here's, this! Here's this! Ibrought it back to life. You want to try a second stab at it know. You sayyou go do something else. THAT'S NOT JAMES MANGOL! Do that one yeahyeahrightbut yeah discoveryand discovering ECARD, I'm very I'm enjoying them a lotand I'm hoping especially discovery. Bucard was more of a introspective intohow one person's life gets. LIPP turned upside down right, so so that onedidn't need to. I mean it does in some ways, because it's like him re, you know finding himself againafter stuff happened but the discovery, and I think they moved into a littlebit in the second season of them. Now there now it's no longer wartime S, nowthey're doing more exploring, and so I'm really hoping that a third seasonthey just go full start track and they're they've set up for a spinoff aswell right. There's a few different drs...

...coming coming down the pine who playsthe Pike and Evenan aansan Mount Anson Mount and ethen Peck Eineis. Oh my goshishe's great, I lo so much. I Love H, he's just such a good spot like he. He looks a lot like Zacary Kinto tothat's. What's weird, I thought I was. I was looking like: That's not the sameguy. They got for the Apron movie, Yeah Right, no, no right! No, no even EtenPekis is fantastic as pok and I really love Antson Mount as Captain Pike. I wasn't expecting that, and so I wasagain without spoiling. I was really hopeful that we would get to work with those characters again. So Iwas, I'm really excited about the that. That's that particular senoff series.It's pretty funny that they like were real launchin Starchik for the firsttime and then after the first reason like okay, we got seven spinoffs foryou right, which I'm not complaining. Iam Not upset about more Stara. No Sosaid the section thirty one I think, has the potential to be the mostinteresting right but yeah, I m N. I'm super excited forall of it. I can't wait. My Dad keeps- and this is how you know it's good. MyDad keeps asking: When is discovery. SESON three coming out right, yeah, I'mgoing to be really tempted to jump straight to discovery, im pecard, Ohonestly. Could you honestly could ecause discovery? Is A prequel. It saidbefore original, so you could. You could jump straight into discovery andyou could jump straight into the card reah. Well, I know Picard bringscharacters from series right. I think you need to watch nemesis or you. Itkind of directly follows stuff that happens in the movie star, TreckNemmesis, which wasn't very good. There's a I'll. Send you an article. Ifound that Ab had a good primer of here are the things you should watch before.You Watch bocarden it's selection of different, like next gen episodes, butalso voyager, because seven of nine shows up yeah later yeah, that's not aspoiler! It's in the trailer, yeah and she's great yeah. I see stuff like that.Al Tk, an ass ov she's, so good she's Solgood and she doesn't look like she's aged at all. I don't think she has. Shemight be a time like the card looks noticeably old. I mean soundsnoticeably older and honestly I mean, but but Patrick Stewart can do one arm,Pushup Oi'm, not I'm not arguing ijust. I'm just shocked that twenty yearslater Joy Ryan looks great yeah. An EAN E doesn't look like she's aged a day,not at all noyeah she's fantastic in that role. If you guys want to go backand Revisit Piccard and discovery, you know you know what I think. That's agood spoiler free way of talk about because it is new, so you don'tnecessarily want to spoil it for anyone else, just say just to say: Get CBSALaccess find someone who has it watch Discovery Watch the card and you'llknow exactly what we were talking. BOUTRIHT OAAND and I think I cancomment you know without spoiling a again. Some people in the star, treckTino, were really upset. The woman of color was the lead for discovery.Idon't make them as again. I was like well I'm sorry, why are you watchingStar Trek? I just don't understand the AKAT at all? No, I don't I don't. I waslike I'm sorry. You are watching the most progressive televiio show. That'sever been on television like. Why are you cranky about this one of the I'mgoing to push back on something that has been said? R, like it's just theit's just the Michael Show and I'm like I'm sorry pretty much. Every other starTrick TV series. The main focus was the captain, because the captain was themain character, she's the focus of this TV series because she's the maincharacter she just not the captain, that's and that's different. I thinkthat's one of the things T I thought was particularly interesting aboutdiscover. It is true. I was waiting for her to become the captain in I'm stillnot sure it's not Goinna, I'm still, I'm not pre sure it's going to happen.I don't wany surprised if it happened yeah, but I thought that's such arefreshing way to do. Wath starttan series is to have the main focus be onsomebody who's, not a Capt. I didn't even think ofbout that, because I wasso sure that at some point she's going to become cathin because she's the maincharacter I mean, if she does the great I wouldn't. I would not be surprised aif she doesn't. If she doesn't. I don't wouldn't bother me. I would still belike well she's gonna, be a captain eventually right. The back of my head,just like I'm Mike blessing note becomes president like you know, stopme a nobody's going to be upset about that H, but that's yeah people getupset about the yeirust thing I o and spock having a beard that as ruiningstar so awesome he okay. I I have a little bit of a crush oneen peckbecause he looks like my husband with on ears. Yeah yeah, it kind of doesyeah. Then when I first saw him was like riit can cost PLAC spock and nothave to like shave off his beer, because if you look at pictures of Ryanwhen he was younger, he had a Mr Spot. Hair cut my fatherinlawis a big startrick fan I mean I feel like maybe ad some influence or whatever fo have thatthick dark hair. You know the dark eyebrows, like you, just looked like ayoung spot minus the point of years. So when I saw the that Promo picture ofspock with a Beun iws like Yeah Iwas, very excited about it. Let's Mok withficial Hairis, evil...

...man Rmember when evil, pastor, Kevin Whad, Mirro universy es Kevin all right Wat. What's next on thedocket all right, so we got movies and classic movies. Now so, okay, I havenot seen any of the classic movies. I've seen star truck nemesis and I sawit in theaters and that's it hm okay. So if you guys want, if you want totalk about the the original movies, I have seen all of the classic movies,but I have only seen them once and that was about pushing a decade ago, hm like seveneight years ago. So it's been a long time since I've seen any of them. I thought they were all they all havetheir merits of the origimal series films. I think rack of con is the best,but ireaty understand yea I ea, and that the one with space Weeles isthe worst that's. Actually, my husband's favorite was really funn yeah and I enjoyed itbecause I thought it was funny, especially the scene where they'rerunning through the hospital in maccoys. Like dialysis, forget that hits hit somebody with a shot and curestheir kidney function. So I just thought that was really funny. Just the forest Kellyis just great ofthe of the next Gen films, I really like the ones that Johnthan fricksdirected, which I think was insurrection, and I think she did Oh, Idid see insurrection. I think he did first contact as well and I really likeboth of those yeah. So I saw insurrection what okay, what happenedin insurrection? I know I saw nemmesis again lanking B yea ointernet moviedabass Wo do do B D. do while you're looking at up I'll, go ahead and sayyou know, I've only seen the original series film so far, but I just I reallyenjoyed them. You know watching them directly after the original series. Itjust was. I just felt like they were able toreally step things up. That's when the you know cling ons got redesign, you can tell the budget went up, theactors were a little more season. They were able to bring it a little bit moreand it just it just felt. Like a longer. You know alonger episode of the original series and you know its a lot of fun for that. The plot of insurrection, when the crewof the enterprise learn of a federation, conspiracy against the inhabitants of aunique plant planet, Captain Bacard begins an open revillion. I have seenthat one, maybe I didn't I know I saw Nenesis Nemmissis was with the Romuansright an I had like the clone of a car that didn't spipe the card at all yeah,but that's because it was Tom. Hardy Yeah Duda data dies in that onedataclone. Yes, that one is that one was actually directed by Britespiner aswell yeah. I Tadit Ilikesi know like people like hate on it, but I didn'tthink it was that B. I thought it was weird, but I enjoyed it yeah. Iremember what I mean again. I watched I in the eaters I mean I thought it wasreally good. It was really weird when the the ROMIAI gets inpaled. I likepulls himself on the Pauls, like that's kind of gross r star track. I guys well,you know Sipa, I think of my eraction. A lot of times is- and you start trekespecially well- that was really weird, but I enjoyed it yeah yeah, that's that was really weird I have, but Ienjoyed. It is kind of the description of the not the movie checkers guide DC,so BBC Ou Shou do the best lowest budget series right. They did Lord.They did like the the Hobbit, I think, and it was fantastic and they did. Ithink it was animated its bad animation, but they did chronicles of Narnia up to silver chairand they're alamazing like an animatedfers. No, Oh ar ther a the line.Actuan Yeah I've seen that those are so good, an that's why, when the new oneswith LM NIEC came out, I was like: Did you guys see what the BABYC did withfivedoar budget? You should be ashamed of yourself. I know I am far more movedby PUPPA Aslin than I try. I'm MA super hopeful for the mini series, becausethat's Ow, I think that's the best way to e it's such a good format for thatthey're the right length, the books are the best whan. I T that's. Why wishthey would have done with Ardnisbol anyways back on focus, nemmesis, anesisnemesis. I liked it Ilik it. I I didn't think it was that bad. No, I didn't diddid deep ti snineer voyager have any movies. I think they stopped makingmovies. After next JEM, I told the JJ rebot e Jane Way Shows up in Nomaisofa aimasthis movie yeah. She shehas like a cameo in the Yei. Remember that, but otherwise, no, I was Goin to say Ithink, they're all either original series O or no, I rigtandthen. We haveI Yoda Doremon. So let's talk about Jjre, I enjoyed them. Yeah honestly, Ie, I think, of like movies. I have watched in terms of number of times. Ive probably watchedthat original to that two thousand and nine reeboot film. Probably Twenty fivetimes h like and just when it was dreaming on Netflix about ten years ago.I probably watched it just six times as...

...on there and like I would be all like.Oh, I want to watch a movie and ow put on Scroll and schools, like you knowwhat I'm just going NA watch start treck again and and a and I want amovie so much fun and the castting especially having gone back and watchedthe original series. I don't think they could have done any no, no, they wereall they were spout on for pretty much everybody. I will admit duringstartrick beyond when they started playing sabotage. I did face Palm, ohbecause I he all lefhe caus. I like this is so ridiculous andI knew as a it was coming and I love it, but it brings up an interesting point.Theyre in like the twenty fourth century, right right, there's alwaysbeen, and now other star treks explained it like the card specificallywas a Historia like did Studieng history. So when he brings up stufffrom the twentieth century, it makes sense, because it's like this is whathe' studied Sisco Loves Baseball as his DAD taught him baseball. His Dad waslike old school cooked real food with no replicators taut him baseball, so hegrew up with baseball. So you know he knows about baseball. Why does this guyhave sapatag well Yo, classical music, YEA TUIERSSO? May The bese people ways gotshifted four centuries later, O right, ht, maybe or or Pecar just really likesthese people. An this is fone thing, that's really hard to do, and Irecognize that it's hard to do right is to have your characters. References beconsistent with a world that you built because, like how do you decide whatmusic is like in the twenty fourth century? Yeah, and obviously youraudience is from the current time so making reverence sis to the currenttime that they'll get make sense for them. But it's it's an anacronism, ansome levels right and- and this is what the orval, which is more or less aspoof of a star treck that takes itself a little too seriously. This is whatreally bothered me about. It was SETHMC Carlin's character, WHOs name. I don'tremember I don't remember any of these. I haven't actually watched but sayfarones character and his wife there there they run the they run the shipand they are constantly just making offhand pop culture. References and noone on the ship is like what is a rocky likeno one questions it everyone justit's and I'm like that, doesn't make any sense you're in the future right.We I'm not, I'm not all going around making seventeen century playreferences unless it's Shakespeare right like there are definitely somethings, and you could argue that there are some things that would have stayingpower, but it wouldn't be everything and not all of your references would beunless you were a real weirdo right. I don't go around speaking Cote IngShakespeare all day. If you did it'd be a little weird, I'm not okay. If youshut th go arouncodi, Shakes Pare, Datt, that's not a bad thing, it means you're,probably more cultured than all of us. Normally people would have some currentcultural references that they would use. As well and they only use twentyentcentury twenty fer century references- and so it's a weird anaphonism thatkind of takes me out of the idea that oh I'm watching you know this is a you know, I'm inspace to I'm watching a show bout people who are pretending me in spacewel. Don't you understand that all of our pub culture now is just so timelessyeah? What happens? Is they actually run outof ideas for TV and movies and then keep watching them? For so it's likethe seveeen three make of lion. King Yeah Real for real live action. Theyuse actual lions of the geically program to be orange, with black mainshot completely in a holiday, but for the most part, starcreckspretty good at that, because they feel like here's cling on opera and allthese other things and for the most part, all the references to twentiethcentury Earth. History are set up by the fact that that character has aninterest in that sort of thing, and it's rea done by humans. There's Someocontect yeah. It's all done in context, so the sabotage thing kind of comes outof Leftfield, I was gonna say like Suo, Bose, weapons, yeahshs right and soevery time like classic weapons or gun show he's like. Oh look at this is soamazing yeah important that was actually born out of George Tokay,loving, like he actually took fincing classes a and he lov like he wanted tobe Aril Flynn, and so he like that the Arol Flyn Robin Hood Wass like hisfavorite. So you have the one up. It's the Merr Mirror episode where he doeslike fencing and things like that. Ye Really Fun yeah. That's just and that'sjust something that I think it was the reason I stopped watching the Orvi,because it bothered me so much, which is weird. It seems like a pettycomplaint, but it when I compared it to star treck. It's I find it to beinferior and I realized it's supposed to be more or less joky, but they kindof started taking themselves seriously and t ey definitely have that branberryasq uman he's evolving to be better right, except they're, not it's likeSETHMC, Carlin, being SETHMC Carlan, a regular twenty firt century, Joe who's,not of all sorry guy you're human, like us, and I think that you k Ow the cardseries really deals with that, especially I within relation to Rafi'scharacter. Oh Yeah, and you know ngoing...

...to get specific, because I don't wantto spoil anything for those who have not seen it but y you find out. Thereis a real like economic disparity and I was like I thought we were in thetwenty first intury and like one of the podcast I isten to about the cord atsimply called VIPECORD. That was actually something they talked about.Wis like how I mean, if there's no money like if people have eve, allepassed the use of money. How does anybody get the supplies to do anythingwheer its just like ll like? Is there a barter system or like? Is there likeyou? Do you apply to the government? I like I want to build. A house like hereare the materials I need, and you know you just get them like how youthere's not been an explanation of how functionally that works out, but it'svery clear that te card had access to these things and Rofpie did not so, andthe card inherited his thestates right yeah, like I mean and the're, you stillhave to deal with generational wealth, yeah, there's still generational wealth,there're still clearly class therere still have and have nuts so yeah. You might have ended poverty, butyou didn't end. You didn't end in a quality, yeah, yeah yeah. So it's Ithought that was a really interesting thought that I had not previouslyconsidered. Yeah and Picar deals a lot with the idea of humanity and what doesit mean to be human? That's a very central tenant right and, of course,Spanashans neeky sneaking wanting it back to the movies thejjaprons movies. I think one of the things- and you know the music and allthat kind of stuff kind of plays into this. It's they wanted to cross thatClassic Star Trek, feel and those characters and everything with you knowa modern blockbuster movie with the humor and everything it's greated an,and I think you know for what they were going for. They did a really good jobis evidence. I like Toi, like all thee of them. Are they planning to doanother one? I Don' I don't think they're going todo another one in that universe, yeah. I thinkthey planned on it and then there were like some contract disputes, a theyating Rian Johnsonan Dune isomebody make him watch it before they levt. That's a that's a debate for anotherday. No, I don't think there's going to be a forth Jin. Let me say again: Ithink Ryan Johnson has potential for brilliant director, because knives outwas amazing, so I don't hear Wais great to which one Luper uthe did whooper. Hedid liber. Oh, I didn't realize that until somewhat recently is like I lovelooper, I heard Bloo Beros like what franow you can t talked about Star Wars.Last Yedi today, when there's not three people who d have one opinion and youwith the other pions. I honestly think we hold a lot of the Sigtaion we do idlike listening to Youi'll talk about the sequel trilogy. I actually agreedwith most of what you all say. The difference lies and how we interpretless show the last jet an and a bit of the forse awakens as well. Yeah ye wellpocket that IAS pocket that, for the actual decion, be another lengthyepisode, but it'll be a lot of fun. Oh yeahohyeah. I think we, I say anything else to say about the JJrooms movies. I don't, I can't think of anything else to say I, except for thefact that I enjoyed them. You know one of the things I think that theybalanced really well in by bringing in you know older spock, bringing backLenonard. Niwy is just you hit Di all these notes of Nostalgia, and but itwas fresh. An new, as you know, can remember where the actuall force awakenshould have done. is they introduce the way that the way that the new startrack introduced the old characters and kept that air of nostalgia and thenmoved on from it force, awakens wallowed and that's totally JJ's fault?So I D T I don't know how e did it so well in Star Trek and it', so porlyenforce, Awakens and rise a Skywalker as well, where he was just like, andI've like Disney for wanting to play, I to say: There's a lot of there's a lotof stuff that happened with star Warran, right, yeah, yeah and, and there and Idi hear so- There's some external stuff there in not just yeah no problems withthe film like there's external hourses that are ushing tors, hey called Mitti, chlorians, Look Ema. I was going to say that fun was a happyaccident, but not anymore. MIIFOR Ra and I, as you, listen, have verydifferent ideas on how the prequals are as often as you've used that that's nothow the force works. That prety much covers everything youguys have any closing thoughts. ANYTHING GOING TO CIRCLE BACK to, Ithink Sartrek is Mainn. I La and I've never understood the whole. Just likeI've, never understood. I never understood warring FANDOMS O.No, so peop like Wor, you start Checker Star Wars. I both Wi yeah, I'm sorrywarkintothose toes just like th my...

...console wars and video games. I'venever understood. Why do I need to pickside yeah? I mean and Tam MeberinTM Jacob. I understood, although that one I never understood why peoplethought team Jacobs did a chance. It's like very clear who she intended thepoy. Those were bad. He gotthisthat's Ow, the Forst Works Sacred Juti tax, I'm using that a lot I've got I've got. Have I haven't shown you, butI got some really fun, really fun ones, oless an Meill. He one whenever people say Star Trek Star Wars.For me, I'm like well start gate, but hey. I again. I told you this: Iwatched the first episode and there are boobies in it and I did not know thatand I was watching it at work, and that was a problem and it's only in thefirst episode, because apparently it was like designed St ones here. Yes,yea, because apparently hes designed for stars, yeah apparently is designedfor stars or one of the show time or something like that, and then it movedto cable. So then they they re. They reedited that first episode, but theone that I pirated I mean acquired still hade, that scene in it Yep andwhen you, when you're, not expecting that it's just really Jarri Yeah D, Hanyou're. Like I'm sorry, I thought I was watching Star Trek, ish thing, I'mreally curious. Thauaus. We have the DVDs for the first couple of seasons. Idon't think it's on the DVD and but we've also watche it on prime, but Ithink is 't unprim. I saw prime now sa Dou want to go and watch it because Ienjoyed the episode E. I just never got just like. I can't afford to watch thisat work, definitely need to wash through it. Yeah go back to it but saythat's! That's. Like my husband's favorite sidn section series is Argane.I've heard a lot of Prason Orin, I'm Ting spinoffs right, yes, yeah andseveral like it started off as a movie west Pun into S, one then Atlantis anduniverse, and then thereas like a mini series later in a few movies as wellright. Why couldn't firefly? I I've gotten that much love I dnt we'reGoinna have to do a firefly onshows that were canceled before their time.It so basically we're just going to talk about fireplay, firefly, betteroff ted, Santa Clarida Diet. I've got I've got a list yeah I've got TA,listen as well, okay, but yeah. So that's yeah, Star Trek! I love it. Ithink it's one of the best. I think it's and again it had such informativeimpact on the culture it's yeah everywhere. Well and- and you know noteven just the science fiction genre, it's it functionally changed. How fansinteract with attaxk it', specifically throughconventions and fiction, existed prior to star trick with, like Sherlock Holes,Hav Yourlebo, Mormon g fan, fiction, magazines, we're a bigthing: we among the star truck fandom and something that Alov Po. This is allbefore the Internet, which is what that's really tat. That's the thingthat is my boyise like this is this is in the lats earys, a the whole reasonstart trick. The original series even got a third season was because ofletter writing campaign organized by the two women who basically founded thefirst startreck conmension, so yeah, it's a universe that lends itself sowell to fan fiction. Those right thanks S, you can see how it ended up. Youknow lanting such a like large amount of right right. Absolutely so I mean somany things that are just they just exist now within fam culture startedwith star trick, and I don't think a lot of people realize the culturalimpact it had in that way. But even I mean I just watched Gilmor Goles allthe way through for the first time, and I can't Lorla Gilmort makes like atleast fifteen star treck references and then denies being like a tricky orTrecker, depending on your preference, which one you prefer, but she, but thenlike makes fun of Luke for watching stor trick and he like pushes back oTha a Ho Startrick Screa, you sop, but I'm like I'm sorry. You have just madeall of these startreck references and I think it's Hilarious, but I mean it'sjust so ingrained in popular culture. Now that you don't even think about it,I think you know. Just generally, we all really love it. We're lookingforward to seeing more of the future supersyched for discovery season. ThreeSuper Siht for Seon thirty one show eer comes out right, I mean so much TV isjust on hold. Are T e they're doing season to up PA card? Yes, they aredefinitely doing not sure what they're going to do, but they DOA season to Ifocaro and apparently Patrick Stewart went on the view and specifically askedwoke Golbergen yeah to be in season to the re Ginan Bara bringing Gunen back.I never understood her character. I think I think you're not supposed HewasGoa M Osther, she'San Nigma rap an a riddle, yeah yl, because she's like theone thing he was like. Oh I'm me I'mnivitent me: I'm scared of yeah,this bartender lady, who knows who knows stuff she shouldn't know andshe's super mysterious, and then she jus leaves. I don't remember why shelet I don'twell, and so I actually just...

...listen to David Tenet. Does a podcastLeil be gober, but I listene to the episode with Woobe Golberg on it so andGean robenberry didn't believe it when she had her agent contact him and say Iwant to be on star trick, because she was such a big movie store at the timefor, like the color sister, no, the coll, the Color Po Co, purple Yeah Isonthat that's a play Esa! I haven't. She was in the play, but, and he then Ibelieve it was one o very moving aeah difficult play, yeah. I know it's verygood, though yeah no she's great but like she specifically contact. Shewanted to get in Touh wa Jean Ronnbear, because she wanted to be on star trick,because that was the impetespor hey go in o pride at the color, reallyanething to be an actor was because of star track, the original series, and soshe's like I don't want to be. Like a you know, a main cast member but she'slike I would love to be in it as much as I can, as I thats why she's such abig, recurring guest on the series, that's really cool. I thought that wasfascinating that because, at the time juster that's WHA, sister act is Ike:sister sister, that's Tean, Tomarro Malary, Asum wh. I said sister sisters likethat right, insister, something yeah sister act was like ninetyond nd.Ninety two, several of them Weren' threr yeah. There were two, I believeI'Vei've at least only seen to. If there's a third one, I don't know aboutit, but you know she was a big film star at the time and at the time youyou know, if you were a Filmstar, you did not do TV right. You know it was. You did TV and thenyou went on to film if you were lucky right M, so a lot of people would havedid that as a step fact, but she loves star trick so much. She wanted to be apart of it, not even pursuing like a specific role. Just an like she's, likeFiv me in there yeah yeah put me in put me in coach, yeah, yeah, Sohey, ht's,pret character, very cool yeah sothe bring your back yeah that'll, be reallyinteresting, yeah and then discover season. Three. I'm really excited tosee what they do with that. They basically have given themselves again,not to spoil they'd, give themselves a blanks slike to work it, but I thoughtI thought it was brilliant wow th how theywewere were like okay, we're justgoing to give ourselves a black check right. Oh Yeah! Do whatever we wantwell and that's the thing I'm the kind of the way voyage or did when they wentto t deall te right right, but you know, I think this is even different thanthat, because you are not, I mean, I think one of the things discoverystruggled with a bit was learning how to recon themselves within to starttred history yeah. Now they don't have to yeah and that's that's going to bereally cool. Yeah, there's a reason, Jason. You never find out anythingabout, there's no references to the starship discovery. Well, I think you know one of the most excitingthings you can see when you're in a fandom is something just a chance tocomplete through reinvigorate something yeah re when a show just says justgives itself complete creative freedom, Yesh Yeah. I can think of several timeswhere I've seen it TV show do that and it's just the you know the best thing all right. So I think that about wrapsit up for our star Treck talk, we've gone almost two hours, O Milan, as isappropriate for a show. That's had, let's see, rocial series next ton, DS, Nin,Voyager Enterprise, discovery cards, seven series spanning eighty years; nothat's bad x! No! Sixty years at sixty years, sixty pus sixtw thzandand.Twenty is two thousand and twenty bening sixty years and hundreds andhundreds of episodes move ties games that were apparently all terrible.There was one game I played. That was, I think, like an R ts game, I don'tremember which might have been voyager elit or something like that say: IaTheywere, all bad. I Say I've got the one based on the the modern movies. Nowant, apparently, was really really bad. So for Anys, I've got the next Gen the next Gim game and I think for mygenesis. I've got the the DS Nine Game M. I also have for pstwo star trickencounters, which is basically just a battle game and that's really ful.That's what I was thinking about. Yeas sn yeah start checking CA, but none ofthe none of the Star trirk games ever did very well. No, the original serieser one thousand ninehundred and sixty six so that SOS fifty fi four years Yeso. It's just a massiveseries that again, I can't reiterate how much of an impact it had on popularculture still to this day, oh yeah, still to this day, which is why when JJwas saying hey we're coming up W STARTRIK movies, people showed up forit right and, and I love about it, is you know you came into it with themovies. You came into it with movies, so moviesas well. A lot of people had my experience wheretheir parents watched it, and so you grew up with it right and I think for alot of people their favorite, you guys are kind of exceptions because you camein with the movies, but for a lot of people that I've talked to who areyounger and older than me. Their favorite series was determined by whichone which, when they started watching first yeah, because they're all greatyeah yeah. Oh absolutely, and I had a conversation with somebody at a con last summer, older gentlemen, andhe was telling me I was like at that...

...point. I had not watched discovery yet,but he was saying that well, I watched discovery and I just really didn't likeit. It's not my star trick and I was like well it's not your start trick,but it might be somebody else's far trick and I think that a lot of peopleforget that and I think you could easily have the sameconversation about Star Wars. Oh yeah, I agree. Well, okay, so I've beentaking someone younger than me back and watching through watching through allthe starwars movie. So we started with we just yesterday we watched empire sothew we're going to go one to three ten six. Then I think we'll probably watchrog one then we'll do seven, eight, nine, okay and maybe we'll watch solo.I don't thow that you need to it was it its so ansillier think was fine yeah,it's so ansiliary! You don't really need to watch it right, whereas roadone directly links into- and I would argue, is probably the best star warsmovie. It's up there yeah. I say it's a really cok movie by far has the bestscene in all star wars, and that's that's the part where it shows you. Ireally should save this for next. I Bo thisone t that scene with Darth Fader,where, when your apparenty was added on later that seeme, I love it because itjust shows you. This is why Darthater is the most few person in the galaxyyeah I. This is why they all need one sifth Lord, to control everything,because you can't kill him normal people cannot kill him right in themovies. Don't the original movies couldn't really convey that for yeah,but will have to jump back into that next Tine Thato, some stuff to end thatto yeah yeah go watch startre yeah, it doesn'tmatter which, when you start on, go, watch it and love it, and, and justit's so good and yeah. There are some trash episodes, but there's some reallyquality. Episodes in every series has some episodes that you would point tothat and say that's just good televisionright and anything that'sbeen running. That long is going to have that problem. Sure you thinkLongrunning Scifi shows star Trek, Dr who you know I love comics, which have been goingforever when you have that much material, there's going to be somestingers, but there's going to be some really great stuff. Yes, ten there, tooand and again- and we said this for every single one- we said what's greatabout it- The characters Ri characters in every single series. They do onsombocast. So well! So that's! My final word is: Go Watch Star, Trek, Yel,TAT's, so great Sisco for life. There you go coffee black, O great. Before we jump before we end. Where canthey find were Cang people find you yeah? So you can contact us. If youhave question comments, obsedities, please don't give us sosinities unlessthey're, like F Yeah I'll, take that positive, obsinity Asino SA. I willtake show me the money, who's, your mother, that's a fun movie, but yeah. So youcan tweet us at dearly. Debateed email, US dearly debated at gmocom. You canfind me on y personal twitter at Holy Golam. I tweat like once every threeyears I'm trying to trying to tweet. More often, but I really just don'tactually work in people find you right. You can follow me on the tweets at B,nerdy blocker, you can like my facebook, page facebookcom s, the nerdy blogger,or you can read my blog at Nerdy, blagging, Dotword Presscom, I'm also astaffwriter at fangorlish. I've got a weekly column right now. It's calledway back Wednesday, where I review one retro film a week. You need to dodemolition, man, I've never actually seen demaition oe Achi, it's one of myfavorite bad old movies. I especially love bad old movies. Okay, so I'm goingTa throw that on the movie night and we're going to watch that it's so muchfun. Wesley snipes is just they were like Hey Wesley. Can you just act likean insane person and he's like okay reat? It's great he's, Chyou know whathe is he's channeling, who is in the Fifth Element? Igosoeddie Murphy. Idon't remember I've only seen het now. I knew a seen it, but that guy theWHO's playing the crazy he tailing that guy as a criminal. It's amazing, okay,all right and if you guys are looking for me, you can find me at comic exileon twitter or a comic sexodcom COMIX ECOMO exile to COMBAC that thatthat letter's going to be the different tit is but yeah comic, Exidecom and I thinkthe best way to wrap this one up is just say: Live Long, an Brosper, Yeah vlong and prosper, I'm going to say I'n Grert Shud have said that beginning Yoabui,just love that he does a little shirt every time I assa Cardman Yeah, I'm Goin, it's been getting from that. It's been a long time. My time is filing. I will see my tream come alive. A Life...

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