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Episode 4 · 1 year ago

Episode 4 - This was a Triumph

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What is a podcast? A miserable little pile of sound waves! We're talking video games y'all! Nathanael praises the sun! Greg rolls around at the speed of sound! Jason abandons the timer!

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...and it had it had like asteroids andtanks, and something else is really basic games in the first actuallycomputer game we got for it was a call racing game called pod. Oh you show methe interest. I show you the INTR. It's a really needed. Jo. You know has likethis whole back story like the plan its blowing up, and you know, there's onlyone there's only one ship left like to transport people off and I guess in themeantime, people have just been using parts o abandoned cars and changing inAnto. Like super power vehicles to race them around the ND streets of Promiunderstanding, they were like we're going to have a race and the wair ofthe race base to get off the planet. I think Wasit was it was like they wereracing towards the transport. Is it they late lay into the transport in thefeelf? Ti? U and then, and then they were like. Oh, like you know, you justgot to race towards the field where the transport is that I I guess I don'tknow the logic rother wasn there, but it was a really fun game. I was alsoreally young. It's really not my first experience getting into an playing avideo game. We got an inteno sixty four when I was like eight and we got donkeycolnn sixty four n. That was the real first like video game, video game Iplayed, and I was actually the one sitting down and playing it. E had fourcontrollers: I've et three siblings. So all four of US WOA play multiplayers,shoot out and yeah. That was my first experience really into thegam world anI love D. I still wove that game n. It was real glitchy and people, but I hadon it, but, like I watch mat runes, it's like feed runs just make me so badbecause that Dadt ton be like over one hundred hours to, and these guys arelike thirty. Seven minutes is done, Yi top with all and like there's so manyslowly, smoot sky, and then you win yeah. So for Y for me, so I have acouple things that I remember so my dad worked for a software company called alearning company. It was owned by a Broder Bun that made etertainmentsoftware, so the ones that that I remember liking, the most was it was agroup of Games based on one main character called the supersouler, andso it was like the super solver and he would have to go and like outnumberedand Yeu had to go salt math problems to somehow help the situation midnightrescue where you do like these little logic puzzles that it before mat beforethe evil villain morty maxwell could make the school disappear, like hiswholehis villainoss plan was to paint the school with invisible pain, so kidswouldn't have to go to school, that that was his villinhes plan. I don'tactually sy. He was going. I literally he was going to turn this one andSomwhene you lose and Layi Likehe tosie school with invisible paces of theschool s disappear. Okay, no one could go to school. That was his evil planmade it sound like the paint itself was invisible and therefore he was justslapping a bunch of nothing. It was a clear coach Kewhy. Are Theynotgbut this company also made CR? So I grew up on parents: Likan go as wellthe comversenty ar you an organ trail. In that thing, and then there was afriend of the family. We would borrow their supernindendo and and then t the family. That wouldBabysiti me all the time they had a Nintendo. So I grew up on like Nintendoand Super Nintendo and these entertainment games. Eventually, I'mnot going to Juk into the consal question, but hat that's what I grew upon. Yes, these crazy entertainment games checks quest if we've talkedabout ANDCHEK CI, we'll get expesoner the best. I'm using that as my Inteo,that's the ahundred percent. You heard the intrenet checks quest before thispodcast Somti en that's gonna Happen, Atwehad a lot of uoning over thatalight. Okay, well earliest thing I remember playing videogames was we got an nes and I played Super Mario World Threeso. My brotherst o iror brothers, three okay, yeah oyou! Could you could fly around and itwas amazing yeah and then, when I really got into video games, sowas when we got a psycogenesis and I remember playing a lot of sonic tedchokto, and there was no surprise here- a Batman, the animated, serious videogame that I think I played the most out of everything pers most of my earlyvideo gaming years. If you haven't cut on Benojasas a huge Pat Anfi, so I mean, I think, think I think Thatas yArite, I think, is he really is a lot of people super. Like I mean Tii lovework going off you a seconds off Fucko. I love the whole spectrumum Batman. Ilove the serious Britty Badman, but I also love the Adam Ist supercamping,the original fories, where he's living a to people like it's better for me tokill these monsters than to let them live. That's what like I went back onthe first IFSEU of Badman and its he go strange, shows up immedialy and madethese monsters and so badman like hangs one from a plane hip like ties an noosearound his neck in a plane, flies off and hanging this Leke, well that it wasbetter for that monster to die, that for him to live in suffering, yeah andPeopl, like teer Hos, a coo Po like yeah, get off there, I'm not likeZaxsti life. Of course Bat Ma Kills People wit. No, no! No, but yeah. Bhatman kills people. It is Jason, okay, so so jumping ahead a little bit. Whatwhat do you guys say? Is Your preferred...

...consol? Now? How do you guys play VideoGames today, primarily on PC, but I mean okay, so I you know independentkind of depaently wealthy. I was about to say minipi Ot, I'm the furthestthing from independent well right, but I don't spend my money on like anything.So I have enough money to buy the video games. I want because I have like noother pisical responsibilitys oher than me so yeah you go me. I make you knowincredibly low salary, but it's enough for me to buy what ever videogans Iwant. TES Say primmarily. I play on pc most of the custeme sales ye, but Ilove my switch. I love yps for yeah, it's funny, I'm I'm opposite in thesense that, like I'm always like, I always considered an investment to geta game and I always tell myself: I need to get a x amount of entertainment outof yeah, and that is never satisfied, and so it's always hard for me to buynew games because I'm, like I haven't, really finished like NFL street to forthe game. Capye ow do finish that Su Iwell, exactly n. This is my my psyche.This is what happens to me and so what ends up havpening is I never get rid ofall games. I've got an insect for with like twenty games. I've got my weatNintindo Wee. That's got all my game. Cue! PIINS! On my Wei Games. I've got aplaystation three with a bunch of games. Got Playstation for the BUNCHOF Games,Ave, a PC, that's got all the old. You Know Strategy Games on their AGNempires, gelacting battle o have seen steam ththat's, where I fees made thatfive Ar yes well T. that's where I'm getting my pc stuff. Now, that's notthe old cddis because they just don't like there's ti e work, disk infortsanymore. But honestly I play those games more than anything. The onlyrecent game that I've just kind of gotten ponfers about was fortnight anddon anymore. It's been it's been, you know, in'stead for Ni Day. It reallyearly has died like last four months I haven't been on fortnight, but I washardcorn to that for two years and it was primarily for the communal ask Yey, but I guess back to the consulequestion. I always grew up in Nintendo guy. It was just like my cousins, theydid the playstation thing and then we did 't Tho, think mead, the game cubeor we it. We had the in sixty four. They got. You know the playstation one.We got the game, cue, biggof, the PSTO. We get the weed they get. The PS three-and it was at that point for me as I got older and I realized like I- don't-want to be doing- jumping Jack Wil, like I'm playing you know like likeanimal crossing like I'd rather just be sitting on my but playing video gamesand dot, realize that to ye it lost like it really quickly. I was like allthe way, so you know we're swinging an I'm like nop, don't want to do the same.Oi, Roa, quick and also just the Games became a little more mature on theplaystation side and they started to get almost like digress to m likebecause even tough the game cube and there're, some pretty serious games.There's inraded games like, but you get to the wee, and it's like even like nflike you play Mannin for the wheet and like they're, all look like cartoomcharacters. It's like o your intentionally, making it a little morehitfully, and that was their aim. But it went away for me and that's why thenext consul I got wasn't the we you, I still don't have a ve or a switch, andI just I switched over and I got the playstation for Oiyou know it's justplaystation the appeal to who I was as a person now that I'm getting oldder soyeah, that's mainly what I'm doing these days playstation and PC yeah. Iplay almost primarily on an xbox one now and that's just because pronouncedx, proem kind of a similar thing. I grew up Iplayed and we had all different kinds of consols Iwas. Basically, whateveryou know, my dad could pick up a few years after they initially came on saleyea. So you know we had like. I said we had a nes than we had a bunch of psychosecod consoles and then ended up. Doing everybody's got to havea few nintendo consoles. Had A game cube head a plate, psone ps two and then Igot an original xbox when one of those ps ones died, xand. Basically, all my friends ereplaying games on Xbox so from there on out. That's pretty much what I did. Wewould pick up the NENTENDO console every few years. We played the wee. Ihave a switch now. I love it, but I primarily end up playing most of mygames on xbox. Just because you know that's that's what I've been playingfor a long time. They give me free games every month, just for you knowhaving the service and that's awesome, yeah Ers Wek. What is Yel's favoritegame such a hard question. I can think of alot of thing: roting. Okay, if I was to just go fest GAM all time, Super Marr,OST, three! Okay, that's that's just like Lik that I love that game. I couldsit down and play the game anytime in college me and my friend WH, whobrought his Nintendo, would try to be the game as fast as we could with morepistles. We get down Thot like under twenty minutes, and so we do what wewould do like you became or ritual it'd, be a long week of school and then wesmoke cuka drink and try to be Mario. Obviously, as we were drinking it,Gotor podcter times got worse and worse and wors thit was so much fun. I meanit's hard to not go with Feligen ASEDA, like the Ogran of time, is up there,obviously among critics as like being...

...one of the greatest games ever not thegreatest game. Ever I played hegrain of time after I played twilight princess,I loved it. That's wylight princess, because until now, when we got you know,we have the Wat'Sthe News, whever the wow that waslike the most. I just dug the new graphics like Ik. Ithought that was so cool. It was a. There was an aspect that Zelda neverreally pushed that Nintenda really didn't even like, I said, like theykind of went from like kind of moving in the same direction. Playstation wasand then they're like Woll. Let's this like become really kid frienly and thenyou had skyward sword and you had, and then I think there was y. It was ascyrwar sword after that that was the wea one that wasn't very popular, noand it the again. The graphics just seemed a little more like drawn andinto the wild breath of the Beth of the wild ile the same thing, and this iswhy I look back at twilight, princess and I'm like it seems like the coolestone right like I feel ver likeit. Can I yeah ATS funof something yeah. I neverfinished it because I got I like opened up denit castle, it sent thet. I wentto college, so I never actually finished it. It was like in my Opinibecause I mean you can go back and play the old ones, but still like you'rekind of like this pixely like Elf character and it's a little cheesy, butwhen I'm played the one for the game, Cue Hend I played, but I guess I guessit was techniatly for the wee it came out, but it was for game as well aswhen I played when tweller princess came out. It just seemed like Oa felt,cool for playing T. Ait really good was like yeah. It was ohe confession, O Myes when Wakers myfavorite legends, Al Ov, all Touh, now amidtenly. I have not breath of thewhild of got as far as getting off the inthe initial beto, so Fitlik. I playthat Ga for like half an hour Okerrin of time. I think I'm in Gran Dekon Tra.So I never. I never had TN sixty four right so Gankeou I played a perspendasystem. Gankee was the first intenden systof my own, so I never. I neverplayed ope Rin. I didn't grow up with OKARENA. I didn't you know. I hadfriends who played o ran e Ma, Jorge mass, but I didn't really when Wakitwas the first well T. Second, Lunc of as all the game ever played. Leseowanenwas the first fon. If you're fine with a graphics would wafor, I love thet. Ilove that Sellshaden. I thought it was great and I love the sailing andassassins creatd. We we talkd about sequels assisson for fest assessinsCreen, because it's like yes, I the Sass its weebit, but you need to be apirate and it's awesome. Yep, yeah, and literally so round in my head, just betapeople, so Itas awesome but yeah, no I'd, say Legendiszelda in that reverseorder of twilight, princess and then I'l grand time. Yeah is his best one.So if you force me to pick a modern game, I would probably say: bloodborn.Okay, just love! I put some of the eyes of the game. Ie was because I love thewhole dark sols, but for me bloodboard clipped the most yeah. For me, I think I just have to go with the gamethat, as I've just keep going back to and ave played, probably the most outof any game ever and that is the elder. Scrolls Gom, O s kiys a good game. It'sI've played through it originally on the Xbox thred d sixty and then theycame out with the remaster version with mods and things on the xbox one right-and I I tried earlier this week because I'mplaying it again right now to go back and see how many hours collectively onthe different versions I've played and I'm kind of glad I can't Elie. I'mreally glad I can't, but I just love the the Vem of the skyhas been released on literally every fuck. It's on the switshnats. No that'srer Relese, skyroom Igen, I'm gonna be honest. I love scutter. Ithought it was definitely a better game than oblivion, but my I really liked heliving because when Wen I played Oblivian, I played the crap out of it.Ibwousy did like everything before I bit feat it, and then I was like SOM.ONA IS OP. If you, if you get someone Tam, if you do something right, you cansummon like dagered words and Vher. I vinsible, and so I was like. I wonderhow far you can get only levelling summon. So I made a new character. Imean Hav, given the highest, whichever care class of the highest magic STATUcall em black Jesus and literally only level Samoni did exactly the rightquestion lines to be able to summon a degerk board, went to the arena likethe high level arena had like Litte, five and just backwards: Buddy hoppd,while someote Nadri Lords and the whole thing, and that's just likei. So I loveit. It yeah the Oterscros Games are fun because you would find ways to justlike bring em break them. Like is S. I havea great xaple of Deing that tried to be elder gols and did it badly its calledtwo worlds, which you've never heard of the first one is infamous for beingable to be the entire. You know incredibly long urbg in five minutes,because you meet the final boss in the first village. Cho Be you're notsupposed to know who's the final boss, even though, when you look at hischaracter model, you're like no that's the final boss, he's like he like evilhe's got huge armor and this evil hoody dog Ar dos she's, like no Dude Youre, clearly Abad Guy Yeah,but you can actually they patchd it out. But in the original bill of the gameyou cund attack him and, of course, you'll attack you back and then, if yougo to the village and stand in the village and let his fireballs hit youfolks, plode hurt the villagers and the...

...villagers will be like what the hellman and go and just beat the Shit of him and Pov Min in the Games. Ams likehey the final boss, just died, you must have bin the game so, like you're inthe very first five minutes at watch, the speed is holares. It's literallyfive minutes speed run the final boss gets killed by villagers and it cuts tothe final that endy cuts sinbut, but the second one was also really bad. Like it made no sense and t the Woll wasfrustrating about the game was it was so unclear if you were stronger enougho played these games. I played these games. Never I been the first one. Ididn't e Seon. I be the first one by cheating because they book Theese Gamesboth have the problems of you get to an area and just get your floor. Wife andyou're like what am I supposed to do now and it's totally they they were bad,but I do remember Ireas one boss, that was Keating Mi ass. He was at the topof a lighthouse and so I'd run up and she would try to black manmy I'De, likeNao Black, O, Meli, yeah kind of a game. Is this? It's an RPG shm. She wantSoike me and I was like Na let's fight and she would just beat the snot out ofme Aus. I would try to like learn hir down to the White House and like shoother with arrows and then she would just run around a got and kill me and thenstrying o Lo oryor fifth try time, I'm trying it I'm like okay, so I agro her.I run down the stairs tits like an inter this, a spiral stairpas in SidtLight House. I'm running down a D. I just see hergo go near running and shelike ran off the ledge and just fell throu her death. I was like what howdid this happen and it's just funny Yep, but these gays reeperrible and it really shows how much effort you hadto put into me but of living in Skyron villge chool series port, because whenit's not done well, it's bad, and even when it's done well, those games arereally glitchy. Oh yeah, like incredibly, so I will say just like anhonorable mention the other game that popped into my head again. Big ComicBookuy is the Spiderman to movie video game, which Iplayed so many hours in that. Just because the only thing that was reallygood an it was web swinging, but they made it so much fun. I mean games likethat: alsalike fire men, Yoan game huage. Now that was also Rolli, Gad,really good job O that and you get to beven and he has to eat peoples. Butyean games are just like, like es he's, just one of those guys it's like Licausyeah, but then, like all E. U e get subsequent games after that. They werelike what Spitamin note for Weswe now combat yeah, Robras, okay and justgoing completely the opposite direction. What is the worst game? You've everplayed, HSI thethin Yo. I know off the top ofmy head Whini. Is it one that I've intovieced it's not okayall right t'll,then go go y, the worst game handsdown that I've ever played is the Bayblaygame, Cube Game El? That just sounds awful now I would even do why would Ido that? someod come on you into buying? No, because no because some of my boys, like into Vala and even my littlebrother, was in Avis, it was fun. It was really fun to just let it Ri. Inever watch the show. I never been into the Lor, but I was like one day I waslike oh yo just download the BA, like we actually had a COPYC. Now I don'tknow where this came from. I didn't buy it. No one in my family bought it. Ithink it's spontaneously grew in our Gamu game collection. No one bought it, but it was no inlatedand it take Basialyumanyei. Actually E atually had pysical coy his, but thisgame is impossible to win. So, first of all, there's no manual,there's no manual on the Internet, there's no clear, there's no tutoral,there's no instructions on what you're supposed to be doing. Every enemy has for, like you, go to the very lowestlevel enemy and you cannot win because your initial but bay blade, I guess, isjust garbage and- and it's completely unclear what you're supposed to do. Thespecial attacks don't seem to do anything, and I can't I can't describe how howannoying he was os like w. We were playin that wrestling game right. I wasgeting frustratod Wase like I'm, hitting buttons, but nothing seems tobe happen. You look at the wrong character. The whole time ethe id like I need to snot out ofsomebody and they got a up an then they need to stim me and I did get back upand I was like that's garbage this whole time. He was looking at the wrong.Ithis was like this was like the highest level of I'm mashing on passing all the buttonsand it's not doing anything its bad like nothing. I do has any effect onthe game. What is the point like is at it's just terrible, but two worldsgames bad, also, very bad. So it's funny when I was a kid and I get a video gamelike I never understood whether it was a bad or a good video ame. I just dewthat was one of the video games we had, and so I needed to play it all the time,Eah and so like. There are plenty of games that I'm sure just terrible Ikeiill go to like a game. Stop like an old vintage video game, store and I'llsee like one of my old, like Mintendo, sixty four game to games. That's likeseventy cents and, like somebody just take this, and I'm like original, likeBo in Dan Turtle, eahts BA youreally,...

...weird of you know whatever, but for meI mean like it's like it was. There was a game called smugglers run for thegame, cube, GAM, Yo, probably never heard of, and this game had very littlegoing for right. You just could pick different cars and you're, essentiallymaking like like transporting goods like in like the military. So all thelocations are like Vietnam and all these different places and all the cutscenes were live action like they were like live Acttina, so it was just be,like you know, horrible acting and these guys with glasses. Like do youhave the package like drop it off here at the second location, and but thething is, though, like, like, I said it growing up. I love that game because weWul just find really creative ways to like play like the free drive modewhere you just drive around and like the wilderness with three cars and playtag. So I wouldn't really put it is ha worstgame. I've ever played. There was a Soso. There was a hatwhat's, the what's the Herculesthere you go, it was a or Hercules the the Disney movie. There was a game forthe computer that we got the same story that you're saying it was like by thetime you get to the second level. So the first level is like training right.It's like it's. The little IMP dudes to training you and he's like Nan is Phil.Okay, so Phil's training you and you get through that level and a second oneyou're going through the forest, and you had to fight the Centaur. Do youremember that in the movie where he like, he like the upper cuts, the bigCentar that that' that's yeah hat's, you know keeping track of whatever thechicks name is and and so every time you know you get to the first level,and then you get through the second level to ticket to him, and there wasjust nothing you could do and there was no. You know it's back in the day. Sothere's no like you can t just Google how to win this game. There's noinstructions, you're hitting every possible button on the keyboard to doannothing and literally nothing all the punches. Don't do anything, and so youjust walk around and you get killed and I played that game so many times to getthrough the first level to get to that part and to die, and it just every time.I weigh I would just be so frustrated and it would killed me it was. It wasjust the worst I mean, and I guess eventually I'm broken. I don't evenknow that's what you're saying is. yeahit literally was- and I hate it- Ihateit Soh the the Liking Games fortegames, that holwas a hard game, but it was Beth dasign and it was fun Oy Ar, I think for me. I bought the Superman, returns movievideo game and it was a game that was trying to be like was a witerman to nowthat was that's one of the on I got, it was foredyeah, it was. It was bad. You could do all these great superman.Things like fly around a city that had nothing going on ind it you couldrescue kittens from trees. The final Bross of that game was a tornadonoamazing. I it's actal the best the best thing thaty Av Monado, just like an atual life like a in ysical like my Godoorathroughout it, you Hald, fought Lix Luthor, Metallo Bizaro. You could playas bizarre. Those are one of the most fun things to do. Woul try to destroythe Sueversiour controls; sadly, no, I don't think so- inverted controls andthen, but I think one of the mostdisappointing things I ever had is. I got similar theming. A friend of mine showed me the xboxversion of the exmen organs, Woll Harine game, which was a lot of fun.The game itself. The movie was terrible. The game was a lot of fun is just theBasic Hackin kind of thing, but we had a wee at the time and my parents for a just as a gift. They've bought me theweversion of that game, which was all about hack and lash. You know you coundsee Wolferane like get dammaged then grow like heel and all that kind ofstuff. None of that it was a completely different game. The we version of that' Oso. It was less of this eversnglone of Themikeanimalsanio, Othem like M, and it wasn't that no was not that, but it was sit, was more cortoonity. It was verydisappointing. That's actually how I ended up getting an xbox three sixty Iwent returned that game and we Aeno Frenag the he xbox yeah yeah. I An. I definitely play some badgames in my time, but really that balate one was the one that was likeit's. I don't understand it's funny now that you said Superman. It totallyjocked my memory there was there is a superman, no sixty four game, oh thatone's bad to is okay, so, like I was, I was a kid once and we would go and renttell me more intono sixy for games and we went and Rentedthis game. I rememberputting it in in sixty four and me and...

...my brother Trid to play multiplayer andit was like you were in these. Like triangle shaped spaceships and you justflew around shooting. It was like it was like a really off brand starfox andI was like what what is this like, like we didn't even buy games for singleplayer, we' buy them Mi Therr multiplayer games, and that was it. WeJu like Ol a Superman, multiplayer game, let's play it and play against eachother, and then it would just these tacos flying around in space just like it was so bad like and like when wetook it back that day, like whe, we went back home en were like dad. Wehave to turn t when we returned it and ended up getting a bugs life game whichwas surprising much better yeah y a you know that sounds less like you bought asuperman like a terrible superman game. An more like you gought, a really gooddead, boor game. Little that I know I tore the paper offas a deadfull of facebine yeah going. You know we kind of going a rollercoastfor your favorite game worst game. Now. What is the best game series to youguys? What's your favorite, it's not ASSASSI CRACE! I just lay this on e table assassins.Creed has two asses in it for a reason: they're really good Games mixed inthere. The problem is that like Younyour Nissue, so it was funnybecause I played one and then I playe two and I was like Wy to makes one witlike te Techdem, and then it was to again and then it was two again andthree wasand for was awesome, and then it was like. Okay, you peeked let Igothe problem wis that, like it's a great like concept right like so so you'regaming, and you get to the point where the PS three, where there's the biggestgraphic jump to the point where you're like you're, watching like video gamesat this point and you're intrigued, theyre Awesom, Wa Argu, the biggestgraphics jrumb, was from sixteen it. Sixty four pit T- I don't know, I think, the jump tolike the blue, ray versions, which is what you have like the Blu Ray levelthat we have on playstation three like because there's a jump, fror playestation three to four, but it's Ye, Ospeci, relatively much yeah and solike you're in the playstation three and somebody's like hey, there's thisgame coming out, where you're literally like an assassin from backin likemedieval times like you're, using a sword that you hide in like your wristand Amand. It's like okay, but, like my whole point, is like it's shrouded. Indlike this is the a the coolest thing ever and I remember my cousin gettingit because he was onl on the playstation and watching it andthinking hey. This is the greatest game you know like no would play it some toSuper Fun concept, but then they came up with one like every single year.Yeah I was like this is just like. How did they? Where is this stor te part?The part that made no sense to me was they were like okay. Now it's an RBG.So, oh you see that guy that that regular, looking human being, if youstab hem in the neck, he won't die. Like I beg your pardon, I'm just like Mbut, I mean I guess totry to get more on topic of a question. Yeah lost in into assassins. Creed. Nowis the legend Ofsela I think, has mostol good games, but they're notreally continuations of each other. Well, it's true and like he's gotthey've got their fingers in a lot of pies where it's like. You know. You canalso like the smash series. He's a man like he's, a very popular character,Lincus, and I mean I think, that's an obvious one. Just because like theyhave quite a few on the whole spectrum of greatest Ganeat, all time like theyhave, they have a few that could be up there. You have that you have n answer forwhat do you think I syour best? That's ter series, I don't know I'm Anas, Ithink O bestion yeah. I would say I think so I think dark souls Thetru the trilogy I mean technicallybloodborne doesn't count. It is not a dark sols game, so you CE, Take Dart,so one twoan three, I think they're fantastic games, even though, like Icomplain about to- and I played I like five Tiks like im like to- is so badand then I play in whike. Okay, it had some really good ideas. I did a bunchof things wrong and then three is just excellent, but they've impacted gaming.So significantly that souls like has become its own genre. Now, like theyredefine really in a lot of ways. What video games storytelling can look likewhat ve you game, combat and difficulty can look like and what Vineo gamemultiplayer can look like then they're, just really cool games and there'sthere's, there's they're, really fun. Sorry go ahead. God I was gonna say Ithink, for a lot of the same reasons. The game series I go back to is Halo,which is one not all dity playxbox for a reason: Gass, no, but and for a lotof the same reasons, that's a game that came out and really kind of changed alot about what it meant to play. Multiplayer game sort of een put likewhat a first person of shooter would look like and then on top of that, there's just areally good story, woven in that keeps you like. The campaign has good story.It's enjoyable kind of creates this universe that you can live in and thequality has you know, gone up and down and in the last few years, more down onthe storyside, but I can play Lovi. You now really Ma all five go down. He tookaut splits screen, Co op, I agree...

...completely. It was pretty class AIS,everyone, El and then I pick up. He the Massa sheet collection on PC and it hasno plicpoyeah like I beg your pardon- that has literally been a staple of theseries, is lets screen co on, so you can play with your little brother, butthat's like all games are moving in that direction like icius on actually oreal friendless, like people don't have more than one jok child. We justplaying online with people. Well, people hated it so much an Hao five, aone of the first things I said about halo, six or Halo Infini, it's better.It's Ha ban. S does not have it well, they do have it on the consil version.Yeah, yeah sue, so le the see. Well, okay, the other thing they need to fixan HAL. To is why inhale to of all the Halo Games on legendary coop. If oneperson dies, everybody does, and so I've never been hale to onlegendariathat's. Why, my friends, an love Legendar with he onhi? I wasthinking of the halo series because I had the original Lixbok. So I playedone an two all the time I played three but I didn't like. Idon't have a you know: What was it with Xbx three and sixty? I don't have itanymore, and so I haven't been able to cut binge it over and over again, likeI've been able to do the first two, but I didn't think about that series justbecause what I g really got into and something that I still do- and this isa real thing like I'll play- land games of of Halo, one two on to catch theflag, O Gosh, like it's still so classic. It's such a good. So me and mybrother and my next younger brother and his best friend, we always play Bhut.We play we would get together and we play all sorts of different things likecol up slayer, Ifyo, frall slayer, but really what wewould do is we would goto whatever the version of blood gulch was which for three was Bahala and wewuld play capture the flag, yeah and it w be like one person on the Mon Hese,some onpers in the face and just like trying to get people with the laser yesbecaswe had we had the two two xboxes, so we would do two TVs in differentrooms and lengthen through the thou. The rooms and that's just felt like thecoolest thing in the world, because you know online play, was kind of new andand it's still fun to do that. But if I had to go best series- and I wasexcluding Legonizelva- which I think is technically, if I ha D- I you know put,I my Eno Im and look at Wul be the best series I'm going to go really bold here,because this is a new series. I'm going to be really really bold and th.Technically is only one game out, but I loved it so much well. That is not aseries, but it was o the next one's about to come out R ornight to no thelast of us. I love that game. So much like, I think, the last of us, becauseI think I think, when you're talking about single player games, there's twothings you get a balance which is the game play. Is that enjoyable and alsois there a story that keeps you coming back and playing more yeah? And so Iwas a god. O got got a war Fan, but I started to get to the point where I waslike: I'm really only interested in where the storyis going like, like tthe gameplace kind of seems like I'm just matching buttons and justslaughtering masses of hords coming towards being Erisan jhamming likethere's a clear best Combo, and I just continuously do that Combo untilthey're all gone and whatt's like the last of us. It's super. It almost feelslike a splinter scell, but it's almost like the gameplay fuses with with thestory so well, because it's like you really in this Zombi apocalypse era andyou're, finding things to fashion together as weapons. If you only have acouple hits of each of your tools before they break you, like you, have agood idea of what certain Zombis do and certain ones don't it's all aboutstealth, it's all about getting through with minimal. You know, you knowassistance, because you don't have a whole lot of tools. If you find a gun,you'll find maybe three or four bullets in it. But that's it I mean, and yougot to use them really wisely, and so it was just and the story was like Imean I could have just watched the story as a movie yeah, so I think thosetwo aspects of it. I played it recently confession I hadn't finished it. Iplayed like the first two ele iawas obsessed with it, and so now the secondone's coming out, and I just can't wait, and so it's bold for sure. Maybe thenext one falls on its face. It was just a good Sio game, but I really liked itthat much onestly you mentioned spwinor so and that's pretty much. My runner upis because I love Stealth Base Games. I Lote one of the things that's reallygreat about that. Is You know, depending on how you play you can playcompletely still you can play, you know not having not killing anybodythroughou the wall games. You know, I love stuff like that yeah and there was there was a game. Therewas a level in the third one which I think is cf t that I played over andover and over again it was just like you were like faking, a bankheist yeahand o. It was just its probably one of my favorite things to go back and Istill have the game like. Sometimes I can still go back and play through thatlevel again, so that that one went downhill fast, like the first three arereally good and then thet changed the style for conviction and there WaseZeros, there's zero Stealthi Asit's Lo just shoot everyone. 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...that shotit was so bad there we go whomwe have to every every episode we have to mention. If a Pu out bad, the sequeltrilogy is and that JJ and ryanar monkeys, hat Disney should not havepaid so much money. Where was that right? So here's the story- hes he's ththe plan, so the vice president wants to assassinate h president, so he canbecome no. No, no, no. No, it's not weto. So yeah is oterself. It's notnice! President! It's bold! It's! The head of Sam's SPI organization is goingto kill the president and that somehow lets him become. The presidents likethis isn't you're, not conquering a kingdom. You Kill the president. Thevice president becomes there's no you're, not in the LINEST. Is a e Gu.Wasn't the old state voice like like his Limain Du in the Gamecub versionthat I played? I can't remember the name of it? Maybe, but but here's HiAng Sam at this point, Sanfish er, the main character is like off in themiddle of nowhere from after double agent or whatever. That game was yeah,Butoie, O religion and the only reason he gets he's in a different he's in aforeign country. Undercover has no intention of coming back to America.The only reason he gets involved with this plot is because the bad guy sendspeople to kill him and that's the only reason he learns about the pot and likewhy yea the send people to kill him- and I think they kidnap is a daughteryeah, something like the wia. His daughter dies in the last geam and theyreck on that Indo. She got kid now, yeah, we dare you to come and stop usnow, Wha d y. do you guys apper goon, the Doublestillo, seven games, those Imean oguys, Inii, CA, say forst game ever, I might say gold night. I hatethat game year. I think they GIV was tratch Golden Ey. Every time I playedit, I've been like this game is garbage, I even when it even when it was popular.I never like Gold Min. I, I can't okay a lot time. Er, like the first firstperson, Shuger malket player. Gan Again, I thoughti talked about the Beatles,not a fan of the music. I don't find that I don't hate the beadles, but Irecognize what they did. I Hate Gold Nig. I recognize what I didfor multiplayer an for shooters. I find it UN playin, just it's also really old.So then, and I never played it back. I believe me I get that I mean it's. You can say that about anyold game. Wheryou like e Wy, Wis, only five pixels. Well, it's an old game lot.L Games that are totally playable. I find old night if you didn't grow up playing gold migh,it's so hard to get into it's it's interesting, because you know wh n Whyi, when my wife and Istarted dating she had only ever eally played like in sixty four Nintendogames and she wanted to try, try and get into like shooters and stuff. So westarted playing halo and we started with Halo Four, and I you know,whenever my friends and I get together, we still like you were saying earlier:just go back, we do like a land party and we play Halo. One called the greatequalizer we set up team. You know TVs in different rooms. We play that'sawesome that way and but she canupstand anything before she has even troublewith reach. Just because you can't sprint like the movement Ofea like it'really is it really is itsit's so obnoxious to try to aim m?And that's not that's honestly, like an sxty. Four thing is some of the Gameson en sixty four because of the way they made that controller just have worets trul it was. It was like it looks like it's just this genius thing,you're like look at this cool and then, like you, Wanto use it use it e, likeOi'm, not an alien, so I can't Idon't have oher like. Where are wesupposed to FAC something about Japan that I'm unaware that they have likechildren with three head? Three are, but was it? Wa is like this, for youguys did you guys have like? Did the majority of your games use either theDEPAD or the joystick, because I think ecause, my like how many ninety percentof them were joystic, so I only ever held it. The t the two handles, likethe close on, took close together, not the far apart ones, always the middleone and the right side, and it was always fine for me and never even itrever grasped the whole concept. That was bizarre until I got older and Irealized Oh like if you ever want to play a game where you can control thecamera. That's kind of vital o be able to like, like so like you go back andplay Dk, six tep and you're like. Where is the camera going? I remember Ihad a friend I lived across. The Street would play DK sixty four and he hadthis like ten inch TV screen. So I remember him playing dk sixty four andwere like got microscopes outad like Oh yeah, that pixels Donky Com o light anditwas like back and white. It was irer like classic ere, so young we're justlike we're playing OKA guy. Sixty fourhey ink sixty four ave, one of thebest tracks of all time or heck. Yeadid D. Okay, I mean an great characters. It was along Gameit, a lot going oun. If you actually play the game correctly. It'sone of the longest games. You Ier wo, that'sthat's, asalt right. He tiking up.If you watch the the SPLINTEUR sell of the first three have some phenomenal,no kill like full silence, Yeahon they're hilarious, because youlike, no, that guy saw you no, that...

...guy's dead no and it's just like at thehitman blood money also has one of the best speed runs where it's like.There's a glih where some there's like a coin like thro coin, distract peopleand it it breaks the entire game. So the guys just like running around infool view of everyone is like Ta. No, I a song, that's like it's like SCIRAM. You know,yea e yourself up high enough that you can be standing in a Sullylit Room,surrounded by people and you crouch and heas gone. Those are hi. One of thereasons I love pus Tas. I O is especially in games that are like openended. is they they're like okay? How can we abuse this program and just like this is not supposed to happen? I theygot so like the history of the Mar. Sixty four speed. RIN Is reallyinteresting because it right in the in the normal game in Mar Sixty four, youneed seventy stars to be able to get the Bowzer. The final bows right, andso the first beed run is like okay, you get the minimum number of stars. What'sthe best route to get the minimum over stars an this in the shortest amount oftime. When I get the Bowzer when they found a glitch, let Jus skip part andthat got it down to sixteen stars and like okay, you only e to get sixteenstars, and then they got it on to one star and then they hav down to zerostars. You can beat Maun n sixty four with zero stars and it used to be taskonly meaning only a computer coul do it, and now people legitimately can be Mars.Sixty for in under twenty minutes with Zero Stars, and I love Pees B Vensar hilarious and I myfriend WHO's way into Ogarena ie showed him speedrun of Okemena and he had yourexact opinion of the dksixty four. He just didn't be like no, no, no CAS asometiw tery like the fire temple and they I jump in the corner of the FireTemple and then they're in the Ganon fight ND 's, like he's Gan, so Maclikhe', just so adso trying to get back on track moving on a little bit Buo.What would you guys say is an obscure game, something that you guys played. You don't think anybody elseareplay, but you really Enjo Eg Open with pod yeah. I've got some other ones. He what'smother, see by Pert of these, so this is got to be real, obscureright, like I think. The whole point is to have a game that nobody else theythat you probably have never heard. Anyone else talk about that you're,like I'm. The only one who's played this game. Did you guys ever play theComputer Game Jetpack? I so the whole point is heardof it. It's like a Little Dosan, it's too dimensional and you basically havelike ten little gems to collect yeah this room, full of things that arekilling you and once you collect them, the door opens and you can get out andyou've just got a little little guy with a jet pack, yeah miliar with thatgame. Okay, all right! Well, YOU FOMA TA! That was a big game way back in theday we got this pack. It was like two hundred and fifty games like a disk andof course we were like really cheap people, so my parents are like here.You can't complain, Bou Games for two hundred and fifty days, ofor whateverI'm like no like this isn't counte's roll demos, and that was one of themand pretty much all the games. Ere Trash it was like scrabble and I'm like.I can't even read things. This is, makes no sense callg out of my chair,trying to Lok all these letters, a for those a FEU, Otnoi, loveit greak isdislexic and I was also young to so like. Why would I even be into readinglike why use your brain, but there was one game. JETPACK and TIR was alsoSanti version of the Jepeck, where you're collecting gits instead of gymsand those two games we played the heck out of- and I don't know I mean that'sup- There was some of the most obscure games. I've really Goten, I meanobviously you've turned on games, you've, never even known the name ofbut furture as far as he game that I've gotten hooked on than I'm like yeah.Nobody else knows what the heck that is. I got. I got a couple. Well checksquest, I think, was yeah actually use CEK test as well. That was fun, so two hot wheels games. One was justlike you wuld race, and I Jason, I think. Maybe you mentioned you playedthis one. I think it was just like it was like track setup in people's houses and you were the Yiny car an drive around the best thing.We D do with Ye tid flip. If you went around backwards, you would go faster.I told one level where a cat would like paw you down Yep. It was a demo thatwas found in like a box of cereal right Teyah. I I think that's what it was.Okay, but there's a gamecute game called hotwels velocity x. The head wasfully voiced, it had a storyline and it had for on all o Clos and yeah, and youwould play as the hot wheels cars and you were. I don't remember so. The hotwhales cars themselves like characters ore. They talk to each other Ye theyrlike they're. No, like Youre a you, are human being a you aret you in blayingplaying with not oars diving in a hot wheels car. like all t hobbs cars arelife, size, okay and you're like driving around and- and I can'tremember what the villain's plot was, but he kided up your dad and you', likeis totally Rad. Do you're like dam bill, your life Max Velocity Thatbod.Actually, you know what I'm lookis up. Your name might have actually been massIlosothi, Balon, okay, Neah, that sound Aboto, Goo, Thi Hotelshork, wheels,felociy x, wonderful thing, but, like...

...you could play the school bus and youcould play all thes, but has he name maximum justice? Okay, yeah? So thestory begins but TAI'm sure the wikape article. So youguys understand exactly how namazing this game was. Iloved it and I put the crap out of it, and the moly player was fun too. Thestory begins when the hot wheels car business own by DTR, Peter Justice, isrobbed and bombed the most vital items that were stolen. Being some computerdisks on the formula velocity x, a formula fory racing super fell, arscards to travel twice their normal speed because that's how feel works and a prototype hot wheels card thatruns on Yourranio man. It's really visible for Short Momo time. Bete. Seventeen year old son, AxwellMax Justice, insist on his dad's robot your headthat he should try to track down. Whoever stole the cars and attempt toretrieve them all. Well, he is confronted by various exisent quotesvillains on his quest, such as Conrad Nitro Burn Bily, Bob backbords PelthurFashlang for Scotties wit, these ar the guys Naye S, cars, Simon Slick, deluca and Ruper Jackoby.All who work for Honorvard Jack Rabe, all of who work for the villain, Ottovon Diesel pterstporm associate on a high worlds,Engineeri a trying to get both Ptha car billion O my got okay. I don't rememberthis part. Almos Wo Work for Dr Otto UN Diesel, DrPeters, justice, is form forr, associate on the hopvills engineeringteam whas trying to get both the Peter Tipe car and Los tx. So he can go back in time and destroythe Justice family and there BAC prevent any an all hig wheels cars fromexisting real quickm. How is this not a movieyet so get their hands noh. My Go. Hats likeit has an adventure mon this fourteen missions and you get to pick your carand then you know they a lot of them Comminat. You fight all these guys. Sothere's like racing missions and there's like collective missions, andthen there are all these. You pick up and you run through littletokens that give you weapons and power ups that you can use, and I jus remember the last boss waslike impossible to be like Youd hit him and hey would you you know. Lo Helt, I was like so prushed, it couldn't beblastbox and then I figuredi out so at the very last level before you get tothe last boss. It gives you this super weapon that you're supposed to used todestroy his time machine thing and then you're supposed to pick upanother weapon. But I was like Oh, you can just hold on to the Super Dun. Itgives you and you get points by doing tricks. You Lini just like going inthis Yupipe doing tricks to get points, chargeyour GREUR weapon and it takesout like half his heuth one on shot, and it's so easy. So I found the Idon't know if that's the intendedt route, but that's what I did and itworked really well mixe reviews on all platforms. Ithinksix out of ten aseven point four and a half out of ten four poits othese guys. Would't know good game if it slapped them in the face. This gameis fire fully voiced. It's justice is my boy. I GAV clips from all these bad games anput Eh Kinni again. I think the most obscure game that I really got into was itwas a game called Phantom crash. Idon't know Y Getya, no okay, so basically it was you built Mex and then fought them and like this,like kind of Distopian future wherea's like a MEC fighting bunch of MECmedding groups. So that's what I did yeah. So that's a YOUEA. They foughtnext and basically, I think the one of the weirdest thingsabout it was like. You were always earning money by winning the Games. Youhad to repair your maxs afterwards. If you got to the point where you'd lostso many that you couldn't afford to do that, you could actually rent a littleMEC that looked like a rejected like a rejected concept for a star war Sroyd,it's just like if they think it went around on like three wheels. I had likea little hammer on the side of it and it was just terrib: Wasn't the God Toyenobody wanted to can open or God absolutely terrible, but it was thevental Mac and but you could do all kinds of crazy stuff like you couldmake them invisible. Like add lasers, always you a customize, the mx a lotfor well. I think it was an original xbox game, so itwas pretty interesting,but my friend and I got both got it and we got really into it and you couldplay online against each other or maybe that was original exbok, so o probablywasn't online. As probably you had cooke, it was Aregiaai ar I e Ex doxcams yeah. There was a BAC game. I used to play called chrome hounds that Istill have. I haven't cal. That sounds really familiar, but but it wasbasically like so a lot of met combat is, you know like gundoms mand, it'spretty fast moving and it's like you might as well have just been a person.Yeah...

...transformer like this, but th cromehounds was like no you're building like a tank, and so you can build one thatMoosal mnouvere's a little faster but is weaker, but the smart thing to do was to build thismassive heavyn mack that had really long wayge wattness was the go up ontop of a hill and just like ring the Hel fire down on. It was really coolyeah. I remember really enjoying it and then went back and tried to play it andI'm looking and there's no grass anywhere, it's just literally just onedirt texture for miles, but I don't know if I can do this. So, let's see, Ithink the that'St Way to close it out. We were talking about beforehand. Justhow do you guys think about video games? How do they fit into pop culture like?What is what O Games kind of mean to you guys? Nowadays I mean back in theday. I always thought that video games- I only so like I'm the youngest of afour right, so lieat, three older, siblings and Saybe Greay, and that wasjust the start right. We had cousins on one side, friends on the other side:cousins on the other side you know was just like and they all had. You knowbig families and so like video games, it was never like. There was never evena time that I had to play up like a single player, video game. It wasalways just like what video games yaue going to get to be playing with peopleand so ias a kid it was. It was widely just a communal thing like that's. WhyI enjoyed them. It wasn't just like hey I'm going to go sit in my room and play.You know the clone wars. You Know Gamecube game, which is this, which isa pretty obscure, terrible game that I got into, but the whole point was to be playingwith other friends, and I think now I mean at least for me when I W, likeI've got into fortnight, is the most recent game I've gotten injure now Ihaven't been playing college dudy a lot, but the main reason I do it is becauseI can play with litally those same people that I grew up with playing. Youknow those multiplayer N Inendo game so with, but now can do it with one inOhio, one in California, one down in Miami and I'm here in North Carolina,and so I love that aspect of of what video games are doing. I thinkspecifically fortnight has affected the culture ind a way. I've never seen avideo game effect. The culture I mean it's been interesting. The've got arice to things like the NFL, like nobody has right, toin the NFL, likeyou can't even seutale in commercials and fortnight's flaunting every team Ligo out on all their ow almer skins, like even whatever team you want. Theyhave we have music artist releasing like live music on the format you knowlike on the actual consule your cerebities playing games like like y.It really just blew up the esports world tying into like every major moviethat came out for a while yeah and immuding Riel Skywalker, and you hadthat's a tread no seriously like hat that when it was like Palpetine, so nota message that was in fortnight yeah the message you actually n MES that wasaand after I stoppd liking star wars, Mosesteng II, you even have like keyfortnight players. You know Ninja becoming a almost an aimless celebrity.I mean he's in a superwor commercial, with every hulloffame football playerever to exist. In then, now there's an INJA AE sports player, a SAS is notlike the Oen, and so it was really cool to see that culture affect culturaleffect. That Aad, because every single kid underten has died their hairbecause of INJA, and I mean nd, it was fun for me because I was super into foratd. I M An. I was playing all the time with friends and I loved at the game. Ithink it really took a horrible turn when the whole, like black hole,happened and like so. The whole game ended for like four days and then itcame back to life and it was terrible. It was really bad and then Shou we justdo gave it like you, Knowi just took several months for it to just die.That's a great, obscure game that I don't think anyone else t play Shrek toe rig to be the game. That was a great game, but as far as just like ingeneral, what I think I mean like, obviously we're probably a little toosaturated with video games as a culture but thetou be ther could be worsethings because it is something that's stimulating. U Their Puzzles and theirproblem. Solving things and they've been a lot of studies that have shownpositive fects from video games. I mean, I think, that the most healthy way thattheyre use is to bring people together and wait like communal ways and stuff.So I love seeing it if influence culture in that in that way, so I think a video games in the artspace in terms of an interactive medium. So- and you know I love films, I love books.I Love Video Games, F, R for different reasons, so movies. You know I get tosit down and be treated with someone else's vision of what something lookslike in a book. You know I use my imagination to see what it looks like,but what's unique about video games is I'm the one that's directing the outcome in a certain sense, uuright, so I think video games have and it's a brilliant brilliant game calledthe Stanley parabl that really place on this and I yeah I'm going Ta. Have youguys play that at some point and I that Playe Er at's Finnly Shoudefinitely do a stream ou yeah? That's what when we do the extra I thing weshould definitely. I have had a lot of plans. We got to play duck game. We gota place. Okay, I don't want to get off drive that game is just magnificent, soStanley parable is.

It's a game about choices and thechoices you may change the story in a way that this would not work as like aband or snatch mirror black mirror thing. This would not work as like aninteractive Dvdi'm almost like, but choose your own adventure, but but moreso, and then you know a lot of games have enoughopenness that its about ninecraft- and you know all these constructiongamesints about the story that you create as you're building these things.I just think that madiums have so many it's such te such that there's only oneway to do a movie and that's Youh Watch itright. There's only one way to do a book and that's Yo read it but videogames, you have all sorts of and I' being a bit reductive here, becauseobviously there's lots of different genres of movies, a lots of thedifferent gejamras of books, Moke, there's lots of different tones andthings like that. But Video Games, the way you interact with them changes fromGamn the game at some level whereis. The Way you interact with a movie or abook doesn't really change, and so undertail reallynt game that had a lotof really interesting Meta things going on. I think about games hat just hadlike a really good story. Speckups the line had a phenomenal story that waslike hey. This is a nobal sugar syce. It's not now you feel horrible. I think I think Horror Games, so I'venever really gotten into horror movies. It just shoul do hoor game. Sometimes Ijuse Oy Fun. I just don't get forves again. I watch I watch. I watch ayoutube. trecomen called dead meat where he just like caups, a all thekills and Hes Hilarious, James aganiece, but horrod games. When I I because youknow when I'm playing that game, then I'm in that situation of I'm hidingfrom the monster, I'm the one who's going to get. I I'm the one who's goingto die. I might have told you, R, by the decision yeah but but resiniebefore was the first Enrada Game Iverbok. But when I was sixteen, I waslike Thatt Pys Itte reppl ye rebel yeah. Youknow me breaking the law, interestingly enough, the best by wouldnot me by Halo, even though they let be by resinneval thet wouldt. Let me buyhalo one, so I went to the Walmart next door and they let me buy Himnoh Yeah Yeahbe, my brother. I was playing it mybrother's, watching over there in that room on that build black couch US gone,but fixing that wall like those couts that there used be a TV on that walland we're playing it in this is part where you're underground and there'slike a couple of chains, sog guys- and so I was standing in the corner and achain Sa guy in a room with he window on the second level and I'm snaping himin the head. Every time I slip in the head he's running around nd we'relaughing we're like okay, when I finishe this Lolle we're going to go,get Taco belt. It's like midnight. You know I'm Soo Goin to the scope with tof a snake rifle INM shooing in the head and I'm shooting in the head andI'm threain head we're louwere literally sitting there laughing anshe'll get up and be like run on the circle and then just stand there, shitin the head, an fall down and get up and and then at some point, persue they'relaughing and then the camera just zooms out and another chains O guys stittinghere, goingjust Chans off my ead off and we literally flip the couch backr, and I look at oaother like okay. Now,let's go toi GE, Taco Bell, and and that's just one of my fondest videogame, memories and and s. We need to do scary games er. That would be Lov scarygames, yeah, because again I think they. I think I because you're, interactingwith e media, in a way that you don't it's an active thing rather t a passivething. That mory is, I think, the tension of the atmosphere. It's donewell. GESS DO YOUVER play dead space. I did I didn't finish the first one butyea that was decent, although rried a little too much in jump ski. They gaveme the third one for free ad game stuff. That's Horrdi, though, if is ther pacethree. They then spase got less scary as it went on today. As three is Aseoarea, it didn't do very well. I have bee basially Onnto. You want to Tryto,I know fe Rax, Poxi Wot, you Jason. I think ats kind of Bill Mufflit, youguys were saying. I think games for one are just so broad likethere's so many different things that you can do you talked about. You knowthe building I mean there. I play the Games I play nowadays. I play forcompletely different reasons. Yeah a lot of them. You know, there's thecommunity aspect of it. That's why I got really into super smash brothersame thing with Halos like just playing bunch of games, my friends kind ofdoing some button, fashing just having a good time, and but then there are games that I playentirely or mostly for the story. I mean there's good game: Playin volvs tothe Batman Arcom series, Al those excellent story, really good Gameli Way,thou those, it's not so much, then developer yeah, the other one dishonored. I don't know if you theory,UYS AV EA is eer games. playit, I know T, it is really fun very open ended forhow you get through every level. You...

...can go through guns, blazing shoot themup, use your superpowers. You can get through it withoutusing any powers. Iheard that I heard the complaint of that is that if you do kill anyone thanyou don't get the best emiy yeah and that's, but that's one of thechallenges like going back for the achievement. There's one where you'renet there's an achievement for where you're never seen, and you never killanybody and playing trying to play through a game like that is just somuch fun for me and on top of that, there's a really interesting story,kind of woven through it and a kind of a cool like steampumk universe thatthey set up for you, and I think that's the thing you can tell reallyinteresting stories and you're playing as the character. You know, you're,making the decisions kind of, especially in games like that, whereyou're figuring out how you're going to go through. Are you going to be thislike crazy, crazy, assass and that goes through and takes everybody out or yougoing to find a way to you know, go through without killing even the majorantagonist of the game and thit's just ust something really unique to videogames with that, and I think the main thing. The other main thing that I playfor is like in playing onmy games is just community going back like myCasantr, and I we play destiny to all the time and one of the main reasons wedo it is to hang out with my brotherinlaw. We just get on play thegame for a little bit same thing with rocket league. We geton and play with him, so man, his wife, just well. None of us are good at it,but we just have a good time. NOCKING, a all roun yeah wy play league legends,so bunch of friends that I that I plateleg avouged with yeah that I wouldprobably would not talk to otherwisethey're all there. They arescattered of it most of them. I mete at Georg ATEC two of them. I have nevermet, but they were. They were part of the the people I started playing withpart of their friend group. So when we startd playing league, they startedplaying liage and we still, we still play leag together, awesome yeah.Anything else. You guys want to talk about before you wrap it up. There's somuch I could talk about. Yeah Video Games are really open ended. I think wedid a good job somewhat, containing it thosthos honestly likecsee, I'm my fand,I'm trying to go. Think of like other weird videogames I play ever play, ovs, Zoomvenis and Bens wasA. I was basically a puzzle game where all Thoese inveniens get kicked offtheir island by whoever took over it, so they have to like travel to the nextland and you get of solve these puzzles and you can only take twol at a timeand they're they're procedurally generated so there's like there's, hairand eyes, nose and shoes like four CA, fourr five characteristics, but thatare then there's like five of each different characteristics. So there's,however, many possibles and meanings and you can have two of each one, andso each puzzle is based on so the first puzzle is: There's a bridge. There'stwo bridges right and each bridge will not allow certain things to cross it.So you have to like figure out. Okay, this bridge will only led zomenins thathave spring feet across and this visual, let everything else across and everysingle puzzle is a different form of figuring out. What Zoomi, which domeans need to go into which boxes essentially. But the second one is it's like three trolls and they allwant pizza and you got to figure out what topic do they want in their pizza and and and it's funny because, likesome of these old games, I still me and my sitens will still quote to this day.Yeah and and everyone else is just like O Oso. What is you guys? Goit some ofthe scure stuff yeah? So so, when you get the pizza right, you know when youCalli Thiss, Chok atting just goes m pizza and then, if it doesn't haveenough stuff, hesays, more capings, please or Comon or stuff, and then, ifyou give some, he doesn't want. He say something on that. I don't like, and solike these things ar I Sayi N. Then, if you Wen, when you finally get it right,when all the trolls finally have their pizzas, they all dance around asd theyo pans of at and then they devour the pizzas and so like. We still say that and then there's thisgreat game that somehow God has these old fmv adventure gamescalled the the journeyman project, there's threeof them and their fmb and whats holarous is so they have it's FMV regdsto the real people and the person who's playing Tho make charactr in the firstone is not thes inkit person who's playing in the third one. They clearlychanged actors. I it'sit is not the same person kind of looks like TomCruise in ther. I'm not joking I'll show you. It really looks like TomCruis, and I want to show you this hot ONC Olaste X. Intro. Do you guys everget into Sonic Games? I thon so sonic adventure to so O. it's bad, because you know it's gotso many glitches and holes in it, but like the chows in that game, like likethe fact that you can like raise your chow and like race it and all thatstuff was like in my opinionwas like Revolutionary Caithink, you can, they would do e to yeah and that'samazing. We had the dream cast growin up, so we played the original Isr whoplayed the original sonc adventure, and then we played son. I play a dream: Cai,don't remember which one it was, but...

...you hade those one of the dream castslike weird features hat you had these memory cards, oh yeah, like Ab and aDepan on them, and you could take your chow and basically have a virtual petthat you carry around and you can go through like they wouldexplore and everything and every once in a while. You just like bump into oneof the sonic characters, and it would do absolutely nothing, but it was a lotof fun and I remember Aisonic Heros, O its nok adventure t that game was sovaried because you had regular like the sonic gameplay you played as an UckolHill, and then you had the robot where you're, shooting everything and thenHales and robotnic part of the main story also was when you would fish fora frog. Oh, that was terrible. That part, the big I that those maybe Anteca.Why is this a stupid? But I loved adventure to battle how bad the vieacting is. I think you owe the FIK head show Yo Roundye and that's aiou toOhyeah t at yeah. I, like those, I thoughtThot was thowas a pretty always get frustrated and like it's like by the Bo.Do Peoplebu I'm like. I don't know anything. I don't know what's in thislevel, where they a I this, the the racing- and that was a lot of funohyeah, that first level that first sonic level is so much better than the restof the game. City escape Yeahsgot, aaan, soundtrack, Wel sotrack to that WHOLESIS as ot got places Toyehou of the hedgro. Did you guys ever play? Therewas a shef igan sor thet was the peak of the son Wery sidthink of the sonicbeing bad was wat a human teenage girl, kissed Soni. That was the ting and itwasn't fan fiction. It was cannon sin to thousand and six that's the peak ofthe Badsea. I don't know I played shadowed the hedgeon, I mean it wasamazing. You KN W you had vehicles, you had guns, I don't know why shadowneeded vehicles or guns and Youw just randomly curse. For no reason it wasjust like really aweful a like house. Casi like running nobro. I'm gonnaSkate Yeah, Verrey Andand, I'm like what are thosethat can't he just like lean forward like metal, sone, Ik and just like Lodo the Mel soks. He was awesome and I can't let us gothrough a whole video game podcast without bringing up one of my otherfavorite games, which is portal al the Ortalis fantastic and is was a Tryamthat that game and I need the best game ever made as a stand alone. Yeah,because it's like the it's perfect, it's short, but it's like just as longas it needs to be, and every part of it is just magnificent. The puzzles aregreat, the story is pent, the glidos ishysterical and it's got crepy clano and it rewards you at the end with thatSong Yeah. It's just it's really from that portal. Two was great. I only knowit as a lot of fun. RECL Li. It's really short, it's so good. It's so so.Sogod, yeah and and the dialogue is chest brilliant. Thecake is a lie. Thank is a now. It did spawn like one of the worst mostannoying means, but and that game is amazing, yeah and except it wasn't,because it the ending it just clearly a cake yeah. Well, you just weren't goingto get that gake. Well e. The live, wasn't the gates, Alo Yeah Wowi feellike I just got buillin Ted Roall Rightmanso much more. I want totalk about, but I don't have. I we gotta Ra do a maybe wetl videoGameimean Ha', be like saying: Hey. Let's talk about movies andmorxactabout pop culture, YEAHS ONE PODCASTNOOU! I think that's a good!That's a good starting point ar of conversation about video games. I thinkso ialway start with w. What are you playing right now if you are playinganything, I'm playing college duty now, primarilyFi commenal Ateti, I'm not like when you want ban, but I'm playing war zonewhich it's just the it's, the Free Battle Royal Yeah pay with all mybuddies and I'm not amazing at it we're enjoying it. I mean I'm solid again:I'L CO, playin with you, but yeah itosyone to play Tex with Anis Fun, andI mainly just playe because that's what they're playing we yeah oerns, not Bayeah, it's good an playing age rempers to I pt like dark, sols dark. So withthat yea it's been fun, especially because has the sols do so. I'm taking this run to do all thethings I would never do in a normal, Dar Sols Ron, which I hate killing. HeNpcs that makes me feel like a DICK EXCEPT LA track. Is that guy is anasshole yeah. I killed Hatk, I'm doing all. I'mGOIN NA kill, Windelet Im me to quit: Kill Fersol, I'm gonna do all that,kill all the bosses you don't have to kill and that kind of, if you kill them,you're kind of an as they're. Just like hey. Can you justleave us a lony like Nol starts in the FACESTEP STAMPSTEPS TEP yeah and I'M gonna be King,...

...great game, though yes, black town,sucks, and that part where this two silver arches are shooting at. Youmight be the rudest game, design verit's like hey. You want to progress.This game. Aaai can just see musacky sitting there just laughingevery time. It's like you know, there's some things where it's like it'llautomatically tweet. When you do something I feel like every timesomeone dies in dark sols that I'm macingly tweets me as oftous s. You canmoo lat well yeah. For me. I kind of readytouched on it, but I'm playing through playing destiny to that's like two daysaway from its next season. We have no idea, what's going to happen with it,but we've sunk a lot of money into that game. So far, so bet be Gauy, but it'sfun. We we really enjoy playing it, and then I have to do a episode on liveservice, gas and Casandr, and I are both replaying through Skyram right now, SUC, a fun yeah, soshe's. I think almost all the way through, like I think, she's done. Mostof all the CLISS, because she's just played on one game, save like the wholetimeand. I am playing I'm trying out different MONDS, all kinds of stuff.Okay, I just want to tell you guys the thebest worst mot I ever installed skyom and then I have and then I have a quizand then we finish all right. Okay, I might I might cut this part out becauseit might just be too Lud for radio. So I installed abunch of a bunch of mods and then I was like. Why do all the NPCs look? Thesame? Is there a way? Is there modic can install that maxe NPCs lookdifferent and so ther wast was yeah an so there was one is why I installed itwas like okay, you need to get this this, this skin, Mok skinpack, and so Idid was like here the options for the skinpack. I did it up and I didn'trealize it was a non skin back or contained a new skin Pak. Okay, so I'mplaying this game and you know I go and I robb someone and the'm like they, butnecked and t e the best part about that is they just walk around at nobodycares just like naked people just water up,but and I try to change it, Trye to be instalt with the now new part, adididnwork, ahere's, the part, okay, here's thepart that I was like a shame. I was like how I's the most immature humanbeing on the planet right now and it wasn't. It wasn't stealing: Ol, balonsclothes and BEIG. Like you Wud't know, here's what it was- and I don't knowwhy they put this in the MoD, but you can like in game a just penisis like sizes like size and directness witDirectnis, so like no, you can like Mak a flash it to ERECK TUIS in the Gamersis part of Thi ameards close, and this is like an Areguardin in the mage place,so it's like snowy and Dad Wan, just the biggest boner and he's justmarching about thetroing, O town with this massive erection, and I couldn'tstop laughing like Oh. why Ar Joying this lics so fu? No, I should have this powersomeodyPrograi Neverthis is hysterical. This is the funniest thing. I've ever donein a video game, just Wa whhall right hers with the Clis. Okay, all right!Welcome to the christlers corner so of the Qu. Now some of these- I just want you toguess. I don't expect you to know the answer. All right, so welcome to the Queso is Callina. Howmany games has Mario Beenin and we're not going to do we're not going to do what is it prices right rules? So youcan go over shgive me a best guess how many Games has Mariobenin orare yougoogling over there. No I'm in Games is Mario as a my fun, including the Mario Games. Well Yeah.So this is just a going to be a shot in the dark man in like in Games. Thathe's you know like. Like Li Smash, Broeityea Wa, you said You keepone hundred twentyone. Okay, I was going to go like two fifte tofifty ninety five over two hundred, Oh wow, then thatAJISTNA. So if, if O, if you go to the Wikipedia list, I tried to count them,and I couldn't, and the best time I could get was more than two hundredwhat is considered the first video game. Pung you're close it's very similartpon, but I actually came out over a decade before palm. Did Yeah Pon wouldhave been my answer. Is it or was it? Is it chess?...

No okay? So it was a game called tennisfor two okay, essentially pois, essentially pome it's a littledifferent but yeah it essentially, and it came o one thousand nine hundred andirty seven. It was basically two dudes like or due messing around on a CATHROGra tube thing: Okay name every main Pokimun game that you can main Pokimongame. What is that? That means the main one so not like Popmont, snap or pokionstadium. Those are those are games. The mainlinepokemon games like like, like wit, the colored ones, Eh Youve, got Ta cal likethe Gameboy one yeah like the Gameboy. Now, okay, wish n name the names of theMoon, number Nayby, tames and a D, and if you want to give me Gens, that'sfine, oh okay, so gen one you had red blue, yellow youalso had in Jap, Japanwas there's a green version, Gento silver and gold. You know what thethird one was forself after yes crystal those aone with the littlelittle sweet, sweecoon or whatever, and then you had the next gen which changedthe Gameboy advanced and it was Emerald Rubian Satfhire. If I'm notABOOS Teking, they also have been released, leaf, green and fire red,which are remastered, essentially Yep, Readan Blu, then you had then they redid like Sol silver andheart gold. They did do that that actually came after the next gem. Ohthe next GIN was white and white and te ONA Gen forty four and there wasn'tRuby Satfire enwold. It was platinum and diamond and Tis one more so itwas diamond and just one AAM wasthe the Combo one diamond and it's also a precious metal. Yeah is figured Pearl, Yeah Bra, okay, Daon Pearl, andthen then it was black and white x and y there's. Actually two black andwhites, but yeah, okay to let' tee black and Wyt's x and Y N en sord, anshield youremissing, I'm a missing Pikachuw Andev, no thes, no bell, okay, so those arerereleases of put on yellow you're, missing one between X and Y ortechnically to between X, Andy and sort and Shiel ther were the the other onesthat came out on PDS. I don't know no clue it was. It was Suden, Moon and PorteSun, an okay thanks, a which wer fun. They werereally good and they took away hms, which was great. What was the first video game system? Idon't expect anyod to get this s anys. The original it's not the NS, therewere several that were in the Yus okay. So actually there was a whole bunch inthe US before the NES. I want to say Itari, but I know that's not yourcloses. The Atari was was close, the firsts actually that's what I don'tknow why I even said any ask that's what I was thinking and my head was theAtari, an Guitari. It's Coi was CALLDF Agna box, Odyssyo Odyssey. I rememberthat what game and I guarantee you've heard of this game? What game had thehighest budget for a game like Guaranteim herd of his wildly populargame? Obviously Hotwi ill. This Philosophy Act Dan, a you got the witcher. Wasn't no wiy popularsingle third game that later hasn't had it added an online componment, heyhaloatsthyou're, not in the wrong ball part. Is it gears of war which, by theway greatest video game trailers of all time, watchtom dude dead island had alook shit, yeah, a backwor in or a bad game? I don't know it grant that thought offive mtatsthat' NIOS. How many levels are there in the original Packman? Wasit ninety nine? It's more than that? There was something significant aboutthe number right Yeph: it wasn't nine hundred and ninety nine.It was not okay, so once you beat the last the last technically, it does nothave a last level. In that sense, once you beat a certain number of levels,the game crashd right, it was like it's like yeah, something about the number II heard about this. I can't remember what it is so two hundred n fifty fiveokay. So when you went t h w o hundred fifty six level, they crashed the gamebecause I, as it was eightfit processor, so he could not calculate that that and then the last one you go. This isfor you Greg and again R. How muc you guys to guess how many licensedwrestling Games are there and I have bot the toal number and the number jestfrom wwww. WHAT DIS the license? Themane mean h. They have permission touse t e, the actual wwwf Ppor any major any there's like o Japanese wrest. Iathe on game. I've ever owned ye hat jus as Jes. Yes, just this is this likethe Morrie one, just guess the number I'm gonna I'm goingto go and my my bestfriend is huge wrestling fan e Buass the Games every year and I'm just goingto say Wai too many yeah. No, it's a lot it just like I'm gonna go with...

...say, like I'm Gointa, say two fiftyagain: okay, I'm GOINGTA say eighty five, okay, three hundred allright. Sothe answer is: There's a hundred and twenty three license and seventy threeor those are wwfnwwe. So there are so many wrestling games. I knew the e alot because I see you know, there's like Oh, what's coming, oup anothergame, another www, again, okay, it was good to nes. Today, yeah yerefrom the Daly debated, I am Greg Prince Itdaniel Levinson and I'm Jason DanielWorin Wore Cang people find you greg. You find me on facebook at chapter, onefilms or if you want to go online, you find me a at chapter. One films, DOTBiz, it's Poene, not on not the number onthe number ones brought to today'spodcast- is not brought to you by the number one you found me at Holy Golem.You can also email the show nealy debated at GMAILCOM or as hit us up ontwitter at duly debated Tis a topic you want us to cover, hey we're open. IHAVE IE, wrote ot a bunch of show ideas, but they were always a little bit morefas and you can find me on most social media on under atcomics exile and atcomic texocom sweet until next time. Yeahyou later.

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